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In for people who don't understand how interpret results of scientific studies or cause/effect.0
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TimothyFish wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »macgurlnet wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »Some people are of the opinion that the lack of exercise leads to a decreasing TDEE, so people will either gain weight or they will have to continue to eat less and less.
Just for fun...
What's exercise?
Are we counting walking in here or just purposeful, intense cardio, etc? Is there a difference between walking <2000 steps per day, 10,000 per day and more?
I tried to dig into that a bit more too, and wasn't all that successful, but I did discover that a large part of the 90% who exercise are basically just walking. Whether they are counting walking extra during the day, vs. planned walks, I don't know, but I think it goes along with daily or weekly weighing being important--people who are still bothering to focus on things like being active during the day in ANY WAY are motivated, just like people who are daily or weekly weighing.
I'm not at all sure that the activity is the key to maintenance vs. the fact that they are motivated means that they would eat in a way necessary to maintain regardless (although more activity obviously makes it less burdensome to do so).
Anyway, I know for me activity (and also intentional exercise) is important, as it also has been when losing, but I find this interesting.
Given that the data is from people self reporting, it seems likely that "exercise" is whatever the person reporting it believes is exercise. In the physical activity guidelines that recommend exercising so many minutes per week, they are usually talking about moderately intense exercise (walking fast, pushing a lawn mower, riding a bicycle on level ground). The guidelines cut the time recommendations in half for people who are doing vigorous exercise (running, swimming laps, riding a bicycle fast or on hills). I expect that the data we're talking about here deals with moderately intense and above.
Yes, the exercise is whatever the reporters consider exercise. A large part of it is walking.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »shadowfax_c11 wrote: »We are also advised to drink 8 glasses of water a day. Yet 100% of people who drink water die. And a large number of people who drink water, gain weight.
I have gotten a lot of exercise every day for years. Still couldn't loose weight. Started tracking my calories 7 weeks ago. I am down 20 pounds. Results speak louder than some article on the net.
You can't just look at one variable and decide that that one is the most important factor out of all of the others. Life is much more complicated than that. Weight loss requires thinking carefully about the whole picture. Not just one piece of the puzzle.
Didn't someone already post this? I'm too tired of this nonsense to go back and look.
Of course 100% of the people who drink water die. 100% of people die. But you don't have 90% of the general population that exercises, on average, about 1 hour per day. That is why that 90% is significant.
And it doesn't matter that you couldn't "loose" weight. No one is saying that the 90% means that people are able to lose weight through exercise. The fact is, many people who exercise are surprised by the fact that they aren't losing weight, but that's the way it is. But the data indicates that the vast majority of the people who maintain their weight loss do exercise. This implies that maintenance is significantly different from weight loss, not that weight loss is a result of exercise, which your post suggests.
No, I think you're alone on that one.
Here is one example: webmd.com/diet/obesity/maintain-weight-loss0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »shadowfax_c11 wrote: »We are also advised to drink 8 glasses of water a day. Yet 100% of people who drink water die. And a large number of people who drink water, gain weight.
I have gotten a lot of exercise every day for years. Still couldn't loose weight. Started tracking my calories 7 weeks ago. I am down 20 pounds. Results speak louder than some article on the net.
You can't just look at one variable and decide that that one is the most important factor out of all of the others. Life is much more complicated than that. Weight loss requires thinking carefully about the whole picture. Not just one piece of the puzzle.
Didn't someone already post this? I'm too tired of this nonsense to go back and look.
Of course 100% of the people who drink water die. 100% of people die. But you don't have 90% of the general population that exercises, on average, about 1 hour per day. That is why that 90% is significant.
And it doesn't matter that you couldn't "loose" weight. No one is saying that the 90% means that people are able to lose weight through exercise. The fact is, many people who exercise are surprised by the fact that they aren't losing weight, but that's the way it is. But the data indicates that the vast majority of the people who maintain their weight loss do exercise. This implies that maintenance is significantly different from weight loss, not that weight loss is a result of exercise, which your post suggests.
No, I think you're alone on that one.
Here is one example: webmd.com/diet/obesity/maintain-weight-loss
What's that an example of?
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When people lose weight successfully, they change their eating habits and usually pick up some form of exercise. While losing weight they realize that said exercise makes them feel good and keeps them looking better than if they just dieted. Once they get to maintenance, they continue exercising because it makes them feel good.
The end.
I'm not at maintenance yet but I exercise because I now enjoy/ love/ am obsessed with it (running). Its also a huge incentive to maintain my loss (and lose the last few lbs) as I run faster and further with more ease than I do/ did when I was heavier. Exercise isn't the direct cause of the maintenance but as Hornsby says is part of the lifestyle change made by those who are more successful in losing and then maintaing their loss (as opposed to people who 'diet' and then go back to old habits).
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Samstan101 wrote: »When people lose weight successfully, they change their eating habits and usually pick up some form of exercise. While losing weight they realize that said exercise makes them feel good and keeps them looking better than if they just dieted. Once they get to maintenance, they continue exercising because it makes them feel good.
The end.
I'm not at maintenance yet but I exercise because I now enjoy/ love/ am obsessed with it (running). Its also a huge incentive to maintain my loss (and lose the last few lbs) as I run faster and further with more ease than I do/ did when I was heavier. Exercise isn't the direct cause of the maintenance but as Hornsby says is part of the lifestyle change made by those who are more successful in losing and then maintaing their loss (as opposed to people who 'diet' and then go back to old habits).
That last word you wrote is an important one and part of a larger point. Successful maintenance is a collection of habits. There's not one that can be singled out as being most important. I'd go so far as saying, based on the fact that the statistics on the site were given in percentages, that the habits varied by individual, and what each person considered most important to them varied as well.
I think it's great that Tim enjoys exercise to such an extent. I don't think he should try to make larger points out of his own personal experience, though.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Samstan101 wrote: »When people lose weight successfully, they change their eating habits and usually pick up some form of exercise. While losing weight they realize that said exercise makes them feel good and keeps them looking better than if they just dieted. Once they get to maintenance, they continue exercising because it makes them feel good.
The end.
I'm not at maintenance yet but I exercise because I now enjoy/ love/ am obsessed with it (running). Its also a huge incentive to maintain my loss (and lose the last few lbs) as I run faster and further with more ease than I do/ did when I was heavier. Exercise isn't the direct cause of the maintenance but as Hornsby says is part of the lifestyle change made by those who are more successful in losing and then maintaing their loss (as opposed to people who 'diet' and then go back to old habits).
That last word you wrote is an important one and part of a larger point. Successful maintenance is a collection of habits. There's not one that can be singled out as being most important. I'd go so far as saying, based on the fact that the statistics on the site were given in percentages, that the habits varied by individual, and what each person considered most important to them varied as well.
I think it's great that Tim enjoys exercise to such an extent. I don't think he should try to make larger points out of his own personal experience, though.
And we have a winner, end thread
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Samstan101 wrote: »When people lose weight successfully, they change their eating habits and usually pick up some form of exercise. While losing weight they realize that said exercise makes them feel good and keeps them looking better than if they just dieted. Once they get to maintenance, they continue exercising because it makes them feel good.
The end.
I'm not at maintenance yet but I exercise because I now enjoy/ love/ am obsessed with it (running). Its also a huge incentive to maintain my loss (and lose the last few lbs) as I run faster and further with more ease than I do/ did when I was heavier. Exercise isn't the direct cause of the maintenance but as Hornsby says is part of the lifestyle change made by those who are more successful in losing and then maintaing their loss (as opposed to people who 'diet' and then go back to old habits).
That last word you wrote is an important one and part of a larger point. Successful maintenance is a collection of habits. There's not one that can be singled out as being most important. I'd go so far as saying, based on the fact that the statistics on the site were given in percentages, that the habits varied by individual, and what each person considered most important to them varied as well.
I think it's great that Tim enjoys exercise to such an extent. I don't think he should try to make larger points out of his own personal experience, though.
Are you talking about my experience? My experience has been that I gained it all back. Every last pound of it. Which is what got me headed down this trail in the first place, because this time, I don't want to gain it back. If modeling the behavior of people who have been successful fill result in similar success, then it does appear that exercise is significant. I find it very odd that exercise is significant for maintenance, but not for weight loss.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Your TDEE is going to drop as you lose weight no matter what.
This is not correct. There are plenty of people who's TDEE goes up as they get lighter and fitter.
I assume what you were trying to say is that BMR goes down with weight loss...
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Successful maintenance is a collection of habits. There's not one that can be singled out as being most important.
There may not be one single "most important" for everybody, but for any specific somebody there sure can be (and often is).
I have more than enough data and experience to know that - for myself - by the far the most important habit is regular vigorous exercise. Without that, nothing else sticks.
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Samstan101 wrote: »I'm not at maintenance yet but I exercise because I now enjoy/ love/ am obsessed with it (running). Its also a huge incentive to maintain my loss (and lose the last few lbs) as I run faster and further with more ease than I do/ did when I was heavier.
Yes, this.
The body is smarter than we give it credit for - since it tries to optimize everything else, it is more than possible that when it is pushed physically on a regular basis it will undergo physiological changes that make it easier to keep weight from coming back. We see hints of this in hormonal changes related to appetite, in some people, and I expect as the science advances we will find more.0 -
Cryptonomnomicon wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »The National Registry of Weight Control reveals that 90% of the people who maintained a loss of 30 pounds or more for at least a year exercise about 1 hour per day. So, exercise is the most important factor when maintaining weight loss, but during the dieting phase, calorie restriction is more important, even to the point that people are often told that exercise isn’t required. Explain this apparent contradiction.
You didn't really submit a contradiction for your thread. You submitted a large, awkward, random assemblage of sentences. In fact, the sentences you apparently kidnapped in the dead of night and forced into this violent and arbitrary plan of yours clearly seemed to be placed on the thread against their will. Reading your post(s)/responses was like watching unfamiliar, uncomfortable people interact at a cocktail party that no one wanted to attend in the first place. You didn't submit a contradiction. You submitted a hostage situation.
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The National Weight Control Registry is a credible source.
I lost my first thirty pounds from dieting alone. If exercise were necessary, explain that.
Consider that exercise might be a "Keystone Habit". That is, most people who make time to regularly exercise also practice portion control.
People who hope to exercise off their dietary failures, I fear, are bound to be disappointed.0 -
The National Weight Control Registry is a credible source.
I lost my first thirty pounds from dieting alone. If exercise were necessary, explain that.
Consider that exercise might be a "Keystone Habit". That is, most people who make time to regularly exercise also practice portion control.
People who hope to exercise off their dietary failures, I fear, are bound to be disappointed.
That's the problem I have with this whole thread. There was a list of keystone habits. I posted them. I think Tim's misinterpreting that information. ALL of them were considered significant. They were culled from the body of surveys done over the years. None of them should be singled out. Diet control, regular weight monitoring, and the rest listed were all significant commonalities.
Exercise is fabulous. I love it when I'm able to do it. I plan to continue to do it. It's extremely important for one of my medical conditions. That's my main focus in ALL of this. I want to keep ahead of that.
I think the problem here are threads where it's said that exercise isn't NECESSARY for weight loss. It's true, it's not. The missing 10% of maintainers who apparently don't exercise show that it's not NECESSARY for maintenance either. Yet somehow, this all became a confused jumble of certainty and misinterpretation and I'm not even sure what we're discussing any more.
I do really like looking at the NWCR web site, though. Some good insight there about habits.
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TimothyFish wrote: »I find it very odd that exercise is significant for maintenance, but not for weight loss.
I don't know why you find this odd. The issue about maintenance is motivation. Whether exercise helps create motivation or simply demonstrates that it exists (both are likely true, IMO), you would expect to see exercise associated with successful maintenance.0 -
An example of another person with no clue about correlation.mamapeach910 wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »shadowfax_c11 wrote: »We are also advised to drink 8 glasses of water a day. Yet 100% of people who drink water die. And a large number of people who drink water, gain weight.
I have gotten a lot of exercise every day for years. Still couldn't loose weight. Started tracking my calories 7 weeks ago. I am down 20 pounds. Results speak louder than some article on the net.
You can't just look at one variable and decide that that one is the most important factor out of all of the others. Life is much more complicated than that. Weight loss requires thinking carefully about the whole picture. Not just one piece of the puzzle.
Didn't someone already post this? I'm too tired of this nonsense to go back and look.
Of course 100% of the people who drink water die. 100% of people die. But you don't have 90% of the general population that exercises, on average, about 1 hour per day. That is why that 90% is significant.
And it doesn't matter that you couldn't "loose" weight. No one is saying that the 90% means that people are able to lose weight through exercise. The fact is, many people who exercise are surprised by the fact that they aren't losing weight, but that's the way it is. But the data indicates that the vast majority of the people who maintain their weight loss do exercise. This implies that maintenance is significantly different from weight loss, not that weight loss is a result of exercise, which your post suggests.
No, I think you're alone on that one.
Here is one example: webmd.com/diet/obesity/maintain-weight-loss
What's that an example of?
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TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Samstan101 wrote: »When people lose weight successfully, they change their eating habits and usually pick up some form of exercise. While losing weight they realize that said exercise makes them feel good and keeps them looking better than if they just dieted. Once they get to maintenance, they continue exercising because it makes them feel good.
The end.
I'm not at maintenance yet but I exercise because I now enjoy/ love/ am obsessed with it (running). Its also a huge incentive to maintain my loss (and lose the last few lbs) as I run faster and further with more ease than I do/ did when I was heavier. Exercise isn't the direct cause of the maintenance but as Hornsby says is part of the lifestyle change made by those who are more successful in losing and then maintaing their loss (as opposed to people who 'diet' and then go back to old habits).
That last word you wrote is an important one and part of a larger point. Successful maintenance is a collection of habits. There's not one that can be singled out as being most important. I'd go so far as saying, based on the fact that the statistics on the site were given in percentages, that the habits varied by individual, and what each person considered most important to them varied as well.
I think it's great that Tim enjoys exercise to such an extent. I don't think he should try to make larger points out of his own personal experience, though.
Are you talking about my experience? My experience has been that I gained it all back. Every last pound of it. Which is what got me headed down this trail in the first place, because this time, I don't want to gain it back. If modeling the behavior of people who have been successful fill result in similar success, then it does appear that exercise is significant. I find it very odd that exercise is significant for maintenance, but not for weight loss.
I don't think it is odd...it makes sense to me. I don't think that most people create a large enough deficit through exercise to lose weight. Yes...I know...people say they are burning a 1000 calories walking on a treadmill for 30 minutes but are they really? They might for one day but are they going to burn that daily for 7 days?
I think that exercise during weight loss can maybe aid (if you don't eat the calories back) in losing maybe up to 1/2lb a week or less for the average exerciser.
I am set to lose 1lb per week. I don't eat exercise calories back. What I hope for is that any exercise that I do will offset any logging errors that I might have. Right now I aim for 30 minutes a day but am adding some additional workouts this week (about 2 hours a week). I don't expect any of it to contribute to my deficit or at least no more than 1/4 to 1/2lb a week...that is if I don't have any logging errors.
In maintenance however the same amount of exercise will help in balancing that fine line between maintenance calories and put the weight back on calories.
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The National Weight Control Registry is a credible source.
I lost my first thirty pounds from dieting alone. If exercise were necessary, explain that.
Consider that exercise might be a "Keystone Habit". That is, most people who make time to regularly exercise also practice portion control.
People who hope to exercise off their dietary failures, I fear, are bound to be disappointed.
Exercise isn't required for weight loss, only a calorie deficit.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »I find it very odd that exercise is significant for maintenance, but not for weight loss.
Incorrect.
What is significant for both weight loss and maintenance is management of calories eaten vs. calories burned. Successful weight loss happens when one is able to consume less calories than they burn. One maintains weight loss when they able to effectively balance the amount of calories burned vs. calories eaten.
Exercise is not significant or even necessary for successful maintenance. Nothing you keep quoting or saying will make that the case. I like exercising, so I will do it in maintenance, but to say that one is not going to be successful unless they exercise 60 minutes a day is just inaccurate. Correlation does not equal causation no matter how hard you try to make it be.
People are more willing to do some things while on a diet than they are to continue them indefinitely. For long term results, it is habits that play a key role. When we see that one of the habits of the successful is checking their weight frequently, or eating about the same amount eat day, we expect that, since those are things that people on this forum would be told are reasons why they aren't losing weight, if they weren't doing them. But we don't tell people that lack of exercise is a reason why they aren't losing weight. Since that is the habit that 90% of those who are successful at weight management have, I find that interesting.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Samstan101 wrote: »When people lose weight successfully, they change their eating habits and usually pick up some form of exercise. While losing weight they realize that said exercise makes them feel good and keeps them looking better than if they just dieted. Once they get to maintenance, they continue exercising because it makes them feel good.
The end.
I'm not at maintenance yet but I exercise because I now enjoy/ love/ am obsessed with it (running). Its also a huge incentive to maintain my loss (and lose the last few lbs) as I run faster and further with more ease than I do/ did when I was heavier. Exercise isn't the direct cause of the maintenance but as Hornsby says is part of the lifestyle change made by those who are more successful in losing and then maintaing their loss (as opposed to people who 'diet' and then go back to old habits).
That last word you wrote is an important one and part of a larger point. Successful maintenance is a collection of habits. There's not one that can be singled out as being most important. I'd go so far as saying, based on the fact that the statistics on the site were given in percentages, that the habits varied by individual, and what each person considered most important to them varied as well.
I think it's great that Tim enjoys exercise to such an extent. I don't think he should try to make larger points out of his own personal experience, though.
Are you talking about my experience? My experience has been that I gained it all back. Every last pound of it. Which is what got me headed down this trail in the first place, because this time, I don't want to gain it back. If modeling the behavior of people who have been successful fill result in similar success, then it does appear that exercise is significant. I find it very odd that exercise is significant for maintenance, but not for weight loss.
I don't think it is odd...it makes sense to me. I don't think that most people create a large enough deficit through exercise to lose weight. Yes...I know...people say they are burning a 1000 calories walking on a treadmill for 30 minutes but are they really? They might for one day but are they going to burn that daily for 7 days?
I think that exercise during weight loss can maybe aid (if you don't eat the calories back) in losing maybe up to 1/2lb a week or less for the average exerciser.
I am set to lose 1lb per week. I don't eat exercise calories back. What I hope for is that any exercise that I do will offset any logging errors that I might have. Right now I aim for 30 minutes a day but am adding some additional workouts this week (about 2 hours a week). I don't expect any of it to contribute to my deficit or at least no more than 1/4 to 1/2lb a week...that is if I don't have any logging errors.
In maintenance however the same amount of exercise will help in balancing that fine line between maintenance calories and put the weight back on calories.
But why? What is it about exercise and balancing that fine line? If a person exercises too much, they'll lose weight. If they eat more than they burn, they'll gain weight. It seems no different than for people who don't exercise, but a larger percentage of the people who don't exercise fail to balance the line.
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"80% of persons in the registry are women and 20% are men." So this means women are better at this than men?
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TimothyFish wrote: »I find it very odd that exercise is significant for maintenance, but not for weight loss.
When I was 275 and eating at MacDonald's and a bag of cheetos on the couch, the easiest way to tip the CICO equation was to change my eating habits. At that point I was not able to do significant exercise. But I could drop a thousand or 1500 calories a day just by changing my diet.
Once I'm down at the maintenance level, am I going to live the rest of my life without cheetos? I love cheetos. So if I want a bag of cheetos (hopefully the single serving size) I'll need to do some exercise.
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TimothyFish wrote: »The National Weight Control Registry is a credible source.
I lost my first thirty pounds from dieting alone. If exercise were necessary, explain that.
Consider that exercise might be a "Keystone Habit". That is, most people who make time to regularly exercise also practice portion control.
People who hope to exercise off their dietary failures, I fear, are bound to be disappointed.
Exercise isn't required for weight loss, only a calorie deficit.
@TimothyFish then explain your contradiction. Unless there is none.
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TimothyFish wrote: »The National Weight Control Registry is a credible source.
I lost my first thirty pounds from dieting alone. If exercise were necessary, explain that.
Consider that exercise might be a "Keystone Habit". That is, most people who make time to regularly exercise also practice portion control.
People who hope to exercise off their dietary failures, I fear, are bound to be disappointed.
Exercise isn't required for weight loss, only a calorie deficit.
@TimothyFish then explain your contradiction. Unless there is none.
@jgnatca, I see the potential for a number of things going on here, with not all of them being true of all people, but combining to get the results that are reported. During weight loss, a calorie deficit covers a multitude of sins. If a person happens to forget to log something or if they count calories wrong or they have a cheat day, none of it matters because the calorie deficit on other days will eventually wash away the mistake. It may take them a little longer, but they'll eventually lose weight.
During maintenance, it is different. Since the goal is to eat the same number of calories mistakes accumulate. Those who will be successful are those who make adjustments when they see their weight rise and those who are willing to keep doing this over the long haul. For a person who isn't exercising, the calories they can eat is less than what their overweight friends eat. Imagine the woman who is maintaining at 1700 going to a restaurant with friends and being the only one who only eats half her meal, because she knows she doesn't need 1000 calories in one meal. That makes it hard to stay committed. But what if she's maintaining at 2200? Now, it may be that she just doesn't eat the bread, and she is still giving herself room within her limit. She doesn't feel deprived, so she has no reason to question her commitment to maintain her weight. Add to that, exercise brings people out of the doldrums, so someone who was about to give up before they went for a run may be fully committed when they get back. Exercise also gives people something to do other than thinking about food. If they aren't exercising, what are they going to be doing? Perhaps, sitting in front of the television watching food commercials.0 -
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TimothyFish wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »The National Weight Control Registry is a credible source.
I lost my first thirty pounds from dieting alone. If exercise were necessary, explain that.
Consider that exercise might be a "Keystone Habit". That is, most people who make time to regularly exercise also practice portion control.
People who hope to exercise off their dietary failures, I fear, are bound to be disappointed.
Exercise isn't required for weight loss, only a calorie deficit.
@TimothyFish then explain your contradiction. Unless there is none.
@jgnatca, I see the potential for a number of things going on here, with not all of them being true of all people, but combining to get the results that are reported. During weight loss, a calorie deficit covers a multitude of sins. If a person happens to forget to log something or if they count calories wrong or they have a cheat day, none of it matters because the calorie deficit on other days will eventually wash away the mistake. It may take them a little longer, but they'll eventually lose weight.
During maintenance, it is different. Since the goal is to eat the same number of calories mistakes accumulate. Those who will be successful are those who make adjustments when they see their weight rise and those who are willing to keep doing this over the long haul. For a person who isn't exercising, the calories they can eat is less than what their overweight friends eat. Imagine the woman who is maintaining at 1700 going to a restaurant with friends and being the only one who only eats half her meal, because she knows she doesn't need 1000 calories in one meal. That makes it hard to stay committed. But what if she's maintaining at 2200? Now, it may be that she just doesn't eat the bread, and she is still giving herself room within her limit. She doesn't feel deprived, so she has no reason to question her commitment to maintain her weight. Add to that, exercise brings people out of the doldrums, so someone who was about to give up before they went for a run may be fully committed when they get back. Exercise also gives people something to do other than thinking about food. If they aren't exercising, what are they going to be doing? Perhaps, sitting in front of the television watching food commercials.
Sorry, this post made me laugh a bit. I've been in maintenance for over two years now and I frequently eat meals that are 1,000+ calories, no problem. But I pre-plan my days so those larger calorie meals are consumed guilt free, with the knowledge that the rest of the day is already planned out in accordance to my calorie goals.
As far as if someone isn't exercising what are they doing....are you for real? I don't even have a tv hooked up lol.
And as far as 'doldrums' go-you're projecting your own issues on others here. I've never felt like giving up, both in my weight loss phase and now that I'm in maintenance. I'm actually having a lot of fun with it-I feel great, I look great, my husband can't keep his hands off me and best of all- I'm healthy. Seriously, life is pretty darn good
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Tim, there really are no words for your last post.
1. Having learned the healthy habit of eating an appropriate number of calories to meet your goals (whether that be weight loss or weight maintenance) would be a hallmark of any successful dieter. There would be no comparing one's intake to someone else.
2. Exercise vs. Thinking about food is a false dilemma, if I'm going to point out logical fallacies. I often plan a shopping list on the treadmill while I'm warming up, if you want to get down to things. It's also just a patently ridiculous thing to assert that people go around thinking about food all the time and need a distraction.
3. Not Exercising = Watching TV Commercials About Food. Not even worth responding to this one.0 -
Sarasmaintaining wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »The National Weight Control Registry is a credible source.
I lost my first thirty pounds from dieting alone. If exercise were necessary, explain that.
Consider that exercise might be a "Keystone Habit". That is, most people who make time to regularly exercise also practice portion control.
People who hope to exercise off their dietary failures, I fear, are bound to be disappointed.
Exercise isn't required for weight loss, only a calorie deficit.
@TimothyFish then explain your contradiction. Unless there is none.
@jgnatca, I see the potential for a number of things going on here, with not all of them being true of all people, but combining to get the results that are reported. During weight loss, a calorie deficit covers a multitude of sins. If a person happens to forget to log something or if they count calories wrong or they have a cheat day, none of it matters because the calorie deficit on other days will eventually wash away the mistake. It may take them a little longer, but they'll eventually lose weight.
During maintenance, it is different. Since the goal is to eat the same number of calories mistakes accumulate. Those who will be successful are those who make adjustments when they see their weight rise and those who are willing to keep doing this over the long haul. For a person who isn't exercising, the calories they can eat is less than what their overweight friends eat. Imagine the woman who is maintaining at 1700 going to a restaurant with friends and being the only one who only eats half her meal, because she knows she doesn't need 1000 calories in one meal. That makes it hard to stay committed. But what if she's maintaining at 2200? Now, it may be that she just doesn't eat the bread, and she is still giving herself room within her limit. She doesn't feel deprived, so she has no reason to question her commitment to maintain her weight. Add to that, exercise brings people out of the doldrums, so someone who was about to give up before they went for a run may be fully committed when they get back. Exercise also gives people something to do other than thinking about food. If they aren't exercising, what are they going to be doing? Perhaps, sitting in front of the television watching food commercials.
Sorry, this post made me laugh a bit. I've been in maintenance for over two years now and I frequently eat meals that are 1,000+ calories, no problem. But I pre-plan my days so those larger calorie meals are consumed guilt free, with the knowledge that the rest of the day is already planned out in accordance to my calorie goals.
As far as if someone isn't exercising what are they doing....are you for real? I don't even have a tv hooked up lol.
And as far as 'doldrums' go-you're projecting your own issues on others here. I've never felt like giving up, both in my weight loss phase and now that I'm in maintenance. I'm actually having a lot of fun with it-I feel great, I look great, my husband can't keep his hands off me and best of all- I'm healthy. Seriously, life is pretty darn good
Not everyone is like you.0
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