Thoughts on my eating philosophy?
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Great! Then I think its a great guideline to live by! We tend to mindlessly overconsume food and products these days with no idea or care where it comes from. Living conscientiously esp in today's overpolluted, overexhausted world/planet needs to happen more often!
Indeed, is it too much to ask of/suggest to people to at least stop for a second and think about/find out where their food comes from or how it's made? Try to make an informed choice about what you eat, you might be surprised about what it does for your health and well-being. Of course if you are impoverished/starving, then eat whatever you can get, but for most of us on here I imagine this isn't the case.
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billieljaime wrote: »some people on here are students being fed by parents, young people with small budgets, people in the middle of life with kids at home, people on disability, people with small incomes, people with serious health issues and limited funds......
not everyone on this site has the funds to buy organic/whole food/locally grown..... blah blah blah....which can be VERY expensive compared to other food products
Sorry I found that statement and assumption offensive as a long time MFPer
and snobby too
Apologies, I had no idea that internet was so cheaply available in America, it certainly isn't the case here in Australia/NZ! I would define impoverished as being in the state having no money, goods, means of support, or access to adequate food, clean drinking water, shelter, clothing and medical care. I've seen people in some pretty awful situations in my life, many without any of the things mentioned above, and I would say that anyone with access to all those things is quite well off already (on an international scale).0 -
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My sincere apologies if I caused offence with any of my comments.
Perhaps my mind is a little jaded... I've recently been to a post-war torn country and seen an entire family sleeping under a plastic sheet on the side of the road in the middle of a monsoon downpour - and they are the lucky ones because they had a plastic sheet, others didn't even have that! Seeing this made me feel that *most* people in the developed world have more luxuries than we know. I now consider even being able to think about watching my weight and eating healthy an absolute luxury. Even seeing homeless people in my current city, I can't help but think that they have so much more than these people had... But you can't live your life comparing some people's situation to others, there are so many unique situations out there, as I've said before, nothing is black and white. Nothing. I live my life by trying to best person I can possibly be, sometimes I f*** up, we humans do that a lot.
I see how some may be offended by my saying that most people on here wouldn't be impoverished, I truly did not mean to cause offence.0 -
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »Great! Then I think its a great guideline to live by! We tend to mindlessly overconsume food and products these days with no idea or care where it comes from. Living conscientiously esp in today's overpolluted, overexhausted world/planet needs to happen more often!
Indeed, is it too much to ask of/suggest to people to at least stop for a second and think about/find out where their food comes from or how it's made? Try to make an informed choice about what you eat, you might be surprised about what it does for your health and well-being. Of course if you are impoverished/starving, then eat whatever you can get, but for most of us on here I imagine this isn't the case.
It is not your place to ask / suggest others do so because you are taking your own moral standpoint here
This comes across as exactly the kind of moralistic, holier than thou, stance that people were discussing up thread
And I say this as someone who knows the provenance of their meat0 -
Great that you're sticking up for the hardships that it sounds like many Americans face, just remember America isn't the whole world, and I'll try to remember that what I've seen isn't the whole world :-) Hopefully friends!0
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »Great! Then I think its a great guideline to live by! We tend to mindlessly overconsume food and products these days with no idea or care where it comes from. Living conscientiously esp in today's overpolluted, overexhausted world/planet needs to happen more often!
Indeed, is it too much to ask of/suggest to people to at least stop for a second and think about/find out where their food comes from or how it's made? Try to make an informed choice about what you eat, you might be surprised about what it does for your health and well-being. Of course if you are impoverished/starving, then eat whatever you can get, but for most of us on here I imagine this isn't the case.
It is not your place to ask / suggest others do so because you are taking your own moral standpoint here
This comes across as exactly the kind of moralistic, holier than thou, stance that people were discussing up thread
And I say this as someone who knows the provenance of their meat
I'm not actually asking or suggesting for anyone to do so, I asked if it was too much to ask people... Which I can see that it is too much to ask people to think about where their food comes from, and that's OK :-)
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »Nakeshia88 wrote: »Great! Then I think its a great guideline to live by! We tend to mindlessly overconsume food and products these days with no idea or care where it comes from. Living conscientiously esp in today's overpolluted, overexhausted world/planet needs to happen more often!
Indeed, is it too much to ask of/suggest to people to at least stop for a second and think about/find out where their food comes from or how it's made? Try to make an informed choice about what you eat, you might be surprised about what it does for your health and well-being. Of course if you are impoverished/starving, then eat whatever you can get, but for most of us on here I imagine this isn't the case.
It is not your place to ask / suggest others do so because you are taking your own moral standpoint here
This comes across as exactly the kind of moralistic, holier than thou, stance that people were discussing up thread
And I say this as someone who knows the provenance of their meat
I'm not actually asking or suggesting for anyone to do so, I asked if it was too much to ask people... Which I can see that it is too much to ask people to think about where their food comes from, and that's OK :-)
The title of your thread suggests differently.
As to the bolded, you're assuming your priorities should be everyone's priorities, and that's just silly and comes across as self-righteous.
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »Great that you're sticking up for the hardships that it sounds like many Americans face, just remember America isn't the whole world, and I'll try to remember that what I've seen isn't the whole world :-) Hopefully friends!
Internet certainly isn't cheap here in Oz. I pay $55 a month for 7GB and on top of that, $65 for my phone. I was also in the camp of if you can afford the internet, then you can afford food...
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »Nakeshia88 wrote: »Great! Then I think its a great guideline to live by! We tend to mindlessly overconsume food and products these days with no idea or care where it comes from. Living conscientiously esp in today's overpolluted, overexhausted world/planet needs to happen more often!
Indeed, is it too much to ask of/suggest to people to at least stop for a second and think about/find out where their food comes from or how it's made? Try to make an informed choice about what you eat, you might be surprised about what it does for your health and well-being. Of course if you are impoverished/starving, then eat whatever you can get, but for most of us on here I imagine this isn't the case.
It is not your place to ask / suggest others do so because you are taking your own moral standpoint here
This comes across as exactly the kind of moralistic, holier than thou, stance that people were discussing up thread
And I say this as someone who knows the provenance of their meat
I'm not actually asking or suggesting for anyone to do so, I asked if it was too much to ask people... Which I can see that it is too much to ask people to think about where their food comes from, and that's OK :-)
When it has moral values if you don't "think about it" yes
Is it too much to ask you to pay double the price for your eggs in order for the farmer to get adequately paid, or to take a 20 mile round trip to pick up a quart of milk direct from the dairy and so cut out the profits made from the distribution chain?
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »some people on here are students being fed by parents, young people with small budgets, people in the middle of life with kids at home, people on disability, people with small incomes, people with serious health issues and limited funds......
not everyone on this site has the funds to buy organic/whole food/locally grown..... blah blah blah....which can be VERY expensive compared to other food products
Sorry I found that statement and assumption offensive as a long time MFPer
and snobby too
Apologies, I had no idea that internet was so cheaply available in America, it certainly isn't the case here in Australia/NZ! I would define impoverished as being in the state having no money, goods, means of support, or access to adequate food, clean drinking water, shelter, clothing and medical care. I've seen people in some pretty awful situations in my life, many without any of the things mentioned above, and I would say that anyone with access to all those things is quite well off already (on an international scale).christinev297 wrote: »Nakeshia88 wrote: »Great that you're sticking up for the hardships that it sounds like many Americans face, just remember America isn't the whole world, and I'll try to remember that what I've seen isn't the whole world :-) Hopefully friends!
Internet certainly isn't cheap here in Oz. I pay $55 a month for 7GB and on top of that, $65 for my phone. I was also in the camp of if you can afford the internet, then you can afford food...
$55 for 7 GB?? In NZ I pay $89 a month for cable internet (80gb) and landline, considering ditching the landline which would make it $69.0 -
Words that apparently should be banned from this site: theory, philosophy, clean, detox, healthy, health conscious, healthy choices, morals, values, gratitude, moderation, suggestion... Anyone else care to add to this list?0
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Let me guess christine...telstra? Charge like wounded bulls.
I think places like TPG do unlimited for about $79/month. If you want wireless, I pay $55/month for 200gb on Belong (though I'm forced to get mine on NBN because that's all my house is wired for).0 -
Nakeshia88 wrote: »Words that apparently should be banned from this site: theory, philosophy, clean, detox, healthy, health conscious, healthy choices, morals, values, gratitude, moderation, suggestion... Anyone else care to add to this list?
Disagree, you can talk about whatever you wish but if you bring up a term or philosophy you should be willing and able to back it up when questioned
No detox poster has ever been able to say what exactly they are detoxifying nor why the body is incapable of doing so normally
No "clean" eater has ever come up with a global definition
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Let me guess christine...telstra? Charge like wounded bulls.
I think places like TPG do unlimited for about $79/month. If you want wireless, I pay $55/month for 200gb on Belong (though I'm forced to get mine on NBN because that's all my house is wired for).
bloody el. I got ripped off! Nah not Telstra. I'd think they'd be even more expensive. I went with Adam internet.
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »Words that apparently should be banned from this site: theory, philosophy, clean, detox, healthy, health conscious, healthy choices, morals, values, gratitude, moderation, suggestion... Anyone else care to add to this list?
Disagree, you can talk about whatever you wish but if you bring up a term or philosophy you should be willing and able to back it up when questioned
No detox poster has ever been able to say what exactly they are detoxifying nor why the body is incapable of doing so normally
No "clean" eater has ever come up with a global definition
It's called debate and it's how knowledge grows
Just joking around :-)
Debate is great.
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »Nakeshia88 wrote: »Words that apparently should be banned from this site: theory, philosophy, clean, detox, healthy, health conscious, healthy choices, morals, values, gratitude, moderation, suggestion... Anyone else care to add to this list?
Disagree, you can talk about whatever you wish but if you bring up a term or philosophy you should be willing and able to back it up when questioned
No detox poster has ever been able to say what exactly they are detoxifying nor why the body is incapable of doing so normally
No "clean" eater has ever come up with a global definition
It's called debate and it's how knowledge grows
Just joking around :-)
Debate is great.
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christinev297 wrote: »Let me guess christine...telstra? Charge like wounded bulls.
I think places like TPG do unlimited for about $79/month. If you want wireless, I pay $55/month for 200gb on Belong (though I'm forced to get mine on NBN because that's all my house is wired for).
bloody el. I got ripped off! Nah not Telstra. I'd think they'd be even more expensive. I went with Adam internet.
Never heard of them...you are being ripped off, sorry
You on a contract or a month-to-month? (Why I love Belong - month to month, no contract, no cancel fee). 0 -
Let me guess christine...telstra? Charge like wounded bulls.
I think places like TPG do unlimited for about $79/month. If you want wireless, I pay $55/month for 200gb on Belong (though I'm forced to get mine on NBN because that's all my house is wired for).
That's some expensive internet.0 -
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »some people on here are students being fed by parents, young people with small budgets, people in the middle of life with kids at home, people on disability, people with small incomes, people with serious health issues and limited funds......
not everyone on this site has the funds to buy organic/whole food/locally grown..... blah blah blah....which can be VERY expensive compared to other food products
Sorry I found that statement and assumption offensive as a long time MFPer
and snobby too
Apologies, I had no idea that internet was so cheaply available in America, it certainly isn't the case here in Australia/NZ! I would define impoverished as being in the state having no money, goods, means of support, or access to adequate food, clean drinking water, shelter, clothing and medical care. I've seen people in some pretty awful situations in my life, many without any of the things mentioned above, and I would say that anyone with access to all those things is quite well off already (on an international scale).
I'm in the U.S. and get my internet free from my daughter's school. But yes, internet is pretty cheap in the U.S. Now you know
Eta: my family of 5 has a weekly grocery budget of $90. That has to also cover things like toilet paper, garbage bags, laundry soap etc, as well as packed school lunches for two of my kids. I have absolutely no moral qualms with going to Aldi and Dollar Tree to buy our food. We always have enough food and we're all very healthy. That's what I care about
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Nakeshia88 wrote: »Great! Then I think its a great guideline to live by! We tend to mindlessly overconsume food and products these days with no idea or care where it comes from. Living conscientiously esp in today's overpolluted, overexhausted world/planet needs to happen more often!
Indeed, is it too much to ask of/suggest to people to at least stop for a second and think about/find out where their food comes from or how it's made? Try to make an informed choice about what you eat, you might be surprised about what it does for your health and well-being. Of course if you are impoverished/starving, then eat whatever you can get, but for most of us on here I imagine this isn't the case.
On what basis do you claim that the rest of us here don't think about what we eat or make aware and informed choices?
Seems presumptuous and rude.
I simply don't moralize about how others should make the same choices and focus on the same things I do, because everyone has different answers to the questions at hand. For example, I've considered vegetarian/vegan arguments and simply don't think eating meat is unethical or unhealthy. For me, however, it is important to source my meat in certain ways. But also I realize that not everyone considers that important for the same reasons I do AND not everyone has the time and resources to be able to do that--it's a luxury. For me to claim it makes me more moral would be false and disgusting.
IMO anyway.
Similarly, I have considered whether something like aspartame or, say, other artificial sweeteners is a problem to consume and my reading of the evidence is that it's not. I still don't consume that much of it, as most of what I eat is from whole foods anyway, but I see zero reason to never have a diet coke or Quest bar or the like. This is not because I have failed to think about things, but because I think the arguments to the contrary aren't very compelling and often are based on paranoia or simply misunderstandings.0 -
Nakeshia88 wrote: »Words that apparently should be banned from this site: theory, philosophy, clean, detox, healthy, health conscious, healthy choices, morals, values, gratitude, moderation, suggestion... Anyone else care to add to this list?
You are misunderstanding the responses, I think.
I have no problem with those terms and would use them in the proper context. What I would NOT do is get confused about someone rejecting my own preferred moral conclusions and them not thinking about things. That's simply a softer form of a religious argument where you claim that if someone considered the "evidence" or your argument that anyone in good faith would agree with you. On such a basis much harm has been done.
I do wish that the stupid term "clean eating" would go away, as it means nothing, and that "detox" didn't get used in the dieting/food context, so I'll give you those.0 -
For me, internet is $50 a month, and groceries are about $300. Don't say "if you can't afford food, you can't afford the internet." Not to mention that a source or our income comes from the internet, plus much of my nursing school work requires internet access basically round the click, so it's not a luxury in my household - as it is for many, it's a necessity.0
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I'm not impoverished, but I sure as *kitten* can't buy all grass-fed beef and organic produce.Nakeshia88 wrote: »I see how some may be offended by my saying that most people on here wouldn't be impoverished, I truly did not mean to cause offence.
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