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willking618
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Hi was just wondering what a good 5k time is on a treadmill set at 7% incline all the way. Im 6,2 and not exactly light at 90 odd kgs and can do it in around 35 mins. Is this rubbish, average or decent? I know anything under 20 on the flat and level is ok but haven't timed that yet
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A "good" time is completely relative. What I consider a good time for myself is not something that a super athlete, or even a more experienced runner would consider a good time whatsoever.0
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a GOOD time???
Theres only one person you need to compare against, thats yourself.0 -
Unless you are planning on trying to win the race, it doesn't make any difference what your time is compared to anyone else. Just go run and be happy you are improving.0
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Haha I'm not sensitive just tell me if its rubbish. I'm just curious how far I am off a good time for someone in proper shape and was wondering if anyone else regularly runs it at 7% to compare myself to.0
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Some c25k programmes suggest that 30 minutes for 5k could be a target to aim for even if its months after completing the programme. That was my aim but I bought a heart rate monitor and now run try and run within heart rates zones rather than concentrating on times. I'd prefer not to have a heart attack while running.0
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I agree with what everyone said.
I find it hard to say what I would call a good time for such a 5k, because I don't run in areas with a slope that much and if there's a slope its only a few hundred meters long at most; that's what the Netherlands is like, flat as a pancake.
My PR for a 5k without a slope is just over 20 minutes. I would be very happy to do it under 20, I expect to be able to do that in a month or two. I guess with that slope I would be happy if I can do it in 25 minutes, but again it's hard to say. It may as well take me 30.
And again it's very personal. Some people do a 5k in 15 minutes, some do it in 30. Just do that 5k/7%, note down your best time, train for a month or so and then try if you can break it.0 -
Set a goal for yourself and make it. Then set a new one and make that. As you improve, keep setting new goals. It's about what you are doing for yourself.
Myself, I can't run anymore, and use a cane to walk now. (For exercise I use an elliptical).
I walked a 5K last weekend for brain tumor research, and I came in dead last. My time was 1 hour and 29 minutes. Personal worst time ever. I was ecstatic. Because I finished.
It's all about your personal goals, OP. Not who you beat or anything else. Just your own achievements and how you feel about them.0 -
If you are really curious about how you stack up to others, sign up for a 5K race. They will post all of the results according to age group, gender, etc. Running on an incline on a treadmill is not the same as running outside and running on one treadmill may be very different than running on another. A 5K race will give you a comparison of how you stack up to others on an identical course under identical conditions.0
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http://www.pace-calculator.com/5k-pace-comparison.php
I can't help with the incline. This shows averages by age group. I run a 5k at an average of roughly 25 minutes. Many are faster, and many more are slower. I'm just trying to beat my former best.0 -
Cheers for the replies. Will set 30 as my goal. My thinking behind running 100% on an incline is so when i eventually try to do it on the flat it will be a lot easier and I'll improve faster. Ultimate goal is to get back to the shape I was in in school where I could do 1500 in 5.30 but I'm still way off that. must work harder0
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There is some science behind running treadmill incline, and running outside in the wild as it pertains to your VO2. I believe this study involves only flat surfaces outside:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/88872110 -
Another study involving treadmill incline grade vs. outdoor incline grade finds no statistically significant difference in VO2:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/40334050 -
peachyfuzzle wrote: »Another study involving treadmill incline grade vs. outdoor incline grade finds no statistically significant difference in VO2:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4033405
That's to be expected, assuming distances are long enough that exertion levels above 100% V02max aren't significant. Power output remains roughly constant, so the hill just makes the runner go more slowly, for the same V02.
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peachyfuzzle wrote: »Another study involving treadmill incline grade vs. outdoor incline grade finds no statistically significant difference in VO2:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4033405
That's to be expected, assuming distances are long enough that exertion levels above 100% V02max aren't significant. Power output remains roughly constant, so the hill just makes the runner go more slowly, for the same V02.
One thing it does help with though is calf and tendon strenth.0 -
willking618 wrote: »peachyfuzzle wrote: »Another study involving treadmill incline grade vs. outdoor incline grade finds no statistically significant difference in VO2:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4033405
That's to be expected, assuming distances are long enough that exertion levels above 100% V02max aren't significant. Power output remains roughly constant, so the hill just makes the runner go more slowly, for the same V02.
One thing it does help with though is calf and tendon strenth.
For sure! And other bits can improve, too! :drinker:0 -
First, I doubt anybody can tell you anything about a 7% relentless 5k because nobody does that.
The thing is what is a "good time" is meaningless. I raced a 5k a few weeks ago with a small field (only 50 or so people). I won that race with a time of 18:17. Is that good? It was a PR for me, so I sure thought so. However, if one of the local high school cross country kids showed up I bet I would have gotten dusted (those kids can run in the 16s regularly).
It is all relative.0 -
First, I doubt anybody can tell you anything about a 7% relentless 5k because nobody does that.
The thing is what is a "good time" is meaningless. I raced a 5k a few weekperson with a small field (only 50 or so people). I won that race with a time of 18:17. Is that good? It was a PR for me, so I sure thought so. However, if one of the local high school cross country kids showed up I bet I would have gotten dusted (those kids can run in the 16s regularly).
It is all relative.
Yeah I meant good compared to average. I obviously know its nowhere near good for a keen athlete and for an obese 40 *kitten* a day 60 year old alcoholic it would be an Olympic feat lol0 -
willking618 wrote: »First, I doubt anybody can tell you anything about a 7% relentless 5k because nobody does that.
The thing is what is a "good time" is meaningless. I raced a 5k a few weekperson with a small field (only 50 or so people). I won that race with a time of 18:17. Is that good? It was a PR for me, so I sure thought so. However, if one of the local high school cross country kids showed up I bet I would have gotten dusted (those kids can run in the 16s regularly).
It is all relative.
Yeah I meant good compared to average. I obviously know its nowhere near good for a keen athlete and for an obese 40 *kitten* a day 60 year old alcoholic it would be an Olympic feat lol
Yes the apparent swear word that is covered is another word for cigarette btw0 -
I ran my last 5K in 28:53, which was two minutes and a second faster than my previous time. Therefore, I considered it excellent.
That's really the only way you should judge such things.0 -
thesupremeforce wrote: »I ran my last 5K in 28:53, which was two minutes and a second faster than my previous time. Therefore, I considered it excellent.
That's really the only way you should judge such things.
I appreciate what you are saying I was just looking for an answer to whether it was better worse or average. I'm not happy with just beating my last time. I'm just curious where I am now relative to age sex weight etc and want to be closer to the best in that bracket. I have that info now though but cheers for the reply anyway chap
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I think the issue is that the data are distributed all over the place, so it is incredibly hard to quantify what is considered "good". The fastest "regular" guys are going to be running in the 15s. The world record is somewhere in the 12s. New runners can get around 30 or so. Some will take 40+ depending on experience and fitness. And you will see anything in between. If you are looking for a good number to shoot for, 20 minutes seems to be a common goal for many people who are looking to take the next step in their running. It is quite difficult to achieve for someone who isn't already experienced (that is a 6:27/mile average). If that is too much, try for 25:00, then keep going.
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I think the issue is that the data are distributed all over the place, so it is incredibly hard to quantify what is considered "good". The fastest "regular" guys are going to be running in the 15s. The world record is somewhere in the 12s. New runners can get around 30 or so. Some will take 40+ depending on experience and fitness. And you will see anything in between. If you are looking for a good number to shoot for, 20 minutes seems to be a common goal for many people who are looking to take the next step in their running. It is quite difficult to achieve for someone who isn't already experienced (that is a 6:27/mile average). If that is too much, try for 25:00, then keep going.
Cheers mate this is pretty much what I was looking for to begin with lol0 -
I have no idea how it relates to running on a treadmill but I have noticed the median in a 5K race is usually about 8 minutes per mile pace. That would be 25 minutes for a 5K. Half the men faster and half the men slower.
Of course a race draws runners from fast to slow but most are motivated to do their best and are probably slower when not racing.
At 35 minutes you would not be the last person to finish.0 -
beemerphile1 wrote: »I have no idea how it relates to running on a treadmill but I have noticed the median in a 5K race is usually about 8 minutes per mile pace. That would be 25 minutes for a 5K. Half the men faster and half the men slower.
Of course a race draws runners from fast to slow but most are motivated to do their best and are probably slower when not racing.
At 35 minutes you would not be the last person to finish.
Haha so I'm still really slow. This is all I wanted to know. A lot more effort is needed0 -
willking618 wrote: »beemerphile1 wrote: »I have no idea how it relates to running on a treadmill but I have noticed the median in a 5K race is usually about 8 minutes per mile pace. That would be 25 minutes for a 5K. Half the men faster and half the men slower.
Of course a race draws runners from fast to slow but most are motivated to do their best and are probably slower when not racing.
At 35 minutes you would not be the last person to finish.
Haha so I'm still really slow. This is all I wanted to know. A lot more effort is needed
But a 7% incline on the treadmill is waaay more compensation than you need to mimic outside conditions. Try it at 1-1.5% and see how you do. this should be more in line with the 5K race averages he's talking about.0 -
lporter229 wrote: »willking618 wrote: »beemerphile1 wrote: »I have no idea how It relates to running on a treadmill but I have noticed the median in a 5K race is usually about 8 minutes per mile pace. That would be 25 minutes for a 5K. Half the men faster and half the men slower.
Of course a race draws runners from fast to slow but most are motivated to do their best and are probably slower when not racing.
At 35 minutes you would not be the last person to finish.
Haha so I'm still really slow. This is all I wanted to know. A lot more effort is needed
But a 7% incline on the treadmill is waaay more compensation than you need to mimic outside conditions. Try it at 1-1.5% and see how you do. this should be more in line with the 5K race averages he's talking about.
What im trying to do is get a 7% incline time that would be respectable on the flat (say 25 mins) so as when i run on the flat it will be much faster and easier. My view is I'll get fitter and stronger faster this way0 -
willking618 wrote: »lporter229 wrote: »willking618 wrote: »beemerphile1 wrote: »I have no idea how It relates to running on a treadmill but I have noticed the median in a 5K race is usually about 8 minutes per mile pace. That would be 25 minutes for a 5K. Half the men faster and half the men slower.
Of course a race draws runners from fast to slow but most are motivated to do their best and are probably slower when not racing.
At 35 minutes you would not be the last person to finish.
Haha so I'm still really slow. This is all I wanted to know. A lot more effort is needed
But a 7% incline on the treadmill is waaay more compensation than you need to mimic outside conditions. Try it at 1-1.5% and see how you do. this should be more in line with the 5K race averages he's talking about.
What im trying to do is get a 7% incline time that would be respectable on the flat (say 25 mins) so as when i run on the flat it will be much faster and easier. My view is I'll get fitter and stronger faster this way
Ah, I see. Definitely an unconventional way of training, but I get your logic. The only thing that I would question is that since you are, admittedly, comparing apples to oranges here, you really don't know what your true goal on the incline should be. Maybe achieving a 25 min 5K at 7% is harder than you think. Maybe the person who runs a sub 20 minute 5K can't even do it. At some point you might want to run on a flat course and see how your times compare just so that your not setting unrealistic goals for yourself.
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willking618 wrote: »lporter229 wrote: »willking618 wrote: »beemerphile1 wrote: »I have no idea how It relates to running on a treadmill but I have noticed the median in a 5K race is usually about 8 minutes per mile pace. That would be 25 minutes for a 5K. Half the men faster and half the men slower.
Of course a race draws runners from fast to slow but most are motivated to do their best and are probably slower when not racing.
At 35 minutes you would not be the last person to finish.
Haha so I'm still really slow. This is all I wanted to know. A lot more effort is needed
But a 7% incline on the treadmill is waaay more compensation than you need to mimic outside conditions. Try it at 1-1.5% and see how you do. this should be more in line with the 5K race averages he's talking about.
What im trying to do is get a 7% incline time that would be respectable on the flat (say 25 mins) so as when i run on the flat it will be much faster and easier. My view is I'll get fitter and stronger faster this way
Not really. You will get good at running on an incline, but not really be able to translate that to flat running. Train like you race. If you want to race hills, train hills. If you want to race on the flat, train on the flat. You won't be able to train the muscles for speed if you are constantly making them climb (the muscles work differently doing these things)0 -
willking618 wrote: »lporter229 wrote: »willking618 wrote: »beemerphile1 wrote: »I have no idea how It relates to running on a treadmill but I have noticed the median in a 5K race is usually about 8 minutes per mile pace. That would be 25 minutes for a 5K. Half the men faster and half the men slower.
Of course a race draws runners from fast to slow but most are motivated to do their best and are probably slower when not racing.
At 35 minutes you would not be the last person to finish.
Haha so I'm still really slow. This is all I wanted to know. A lot more effort is needed
But a 7% incline on the treadmill is waaay more compensation than you need to mimic outside conditions. Try it at 1-1.5% and see how you do. this should be more in line with the 5K race averages he's talking about.
What im trying to do is get a 7% incline time that would be respectable on the flat (say 25 mins) so as when i run on the flat it will be much faster and easier. My view is I'll get fitter and stronger faster this way
yeah, a lot of people i know have trained on a treadmill only to get outside and be completely destroyed when running on a road.
my advice is to do mostly outdoor running, as often as possible.0
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