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I know that a few of us low carbers come in to low carb threads to offer advice and point them in the direction of the low carb group. So that is likely why the few that are in here clicked on it. Aren't you in here also?
But it is true, we just have different macros set than a standard diet. Why does that bring such hatred. I don't think most of us think those who don't eat low carb eat donuts all day. There may be some people in the world that do but unlikely anyone on MFP who is trying to lose weight or live a healthy lifestyle.
I also don't think most of us are delusional about why we are losing weight when we eat low carb. There's no magic to it, it provides a way to naturally feel full and makes me personally feel a lot better due to health issues. Making it easier for me to lose weight as I have more energy to be more active.
It's rather insulting though to be referred to as a "groupie" , yes we belong to the low carb group as a resource to bounce around ideas and get questions answered, but we don't all think the same or have the same skewed views on other peoples diets or even the same views on low carb.
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auntstephie321 wrote: »I know that a few of us low carbers come in to low carb threads to offer advice and point them in the direction of the low carb group. So that is likely why the few that are in here clicked on it. Aren't you in here also?
But it is true, we just have different macros set than a standard diet. Why does that bring such hatred. I don't think most of us think those who don't eat low carb eat donuts all day. There may be some people in the world that do but unlikely anyone on MFP who is trying to lose weight or live a healthy lifestyle.
I also don't think most of us are delusional about why we are losing weight when we eat low carb. There's no magic to it, it provides a way to naturally feel full and makes me personally feel a lot better due to health issues. Making it easier for me to lose weight as I have more energy to be more active.
It's rather insulting though to be referred to as a "groupie" , yes we belong to the low carb group as a resource to bounce around ideas and get questions answered, but we don't all think the same or have the same skewed views on other peoples diets or even the same views on low carb.
Note that I'm not specifically talking about outside of MFP, I clearly stated it is said that over on this side of the forum IIFYM is equated with us eating "crap all day" which has been said many times. So just like there Low Carb people that think that just because someone says they follow an IIFYM way of eating they assume they ignore nutrition, are hungry all the time, they eat donuts all day and just want to show off abs there are people that assume someone eating low carb isn't sustainable or its done for pure "this is the best for weight loss purposes", both groups have people in it that are wrong. To paint an entire group as it being that everyone does things for the same reason is false. As I personally have said a bunch of times, if you actually took the group of people that follow nutrition properly but take different approaches you will see that they way we eat isn't miles apart but people would rather focus on individual cases where people don't understand how things work, take what they say and run with it
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baconslave wrote: »Nice to know you all have nothing better to do than stalk our group.
Almost as nice as you guys claiming you get attacked over here then spend pages and pages trash talking members of MFP over and over. As well as starting campaigns to get certain members banned from the forums while calling people childish at the same time.
So let's go ahead and say the people reading an open group is the bad part. Right?
Don't you guys think certain members text message each other to tell each other to gang up on you? How is it as soon as your group started getting spoken about you showed up here?Because the "low carb diet" is the in thing now.....just like all the other "diets" in the past, just another fad diet. LOL
Yeah, that 100 year old fad really hasn't been around that long at all, amazing doctors have been prescribing it at all when it's only been successful longer than the FDA has existed. What's next, the sage wisdom that as soon as you eat carbs again, CICO magically stops working, or the advice that it can't be done long term?
LC is nothing more than IIFYM with a big gap between carbs and fat. Why do you hate IIFYM so much?
Why do you hate accepting the fact that the people that say they follow IIFYM don't eat donuts all day, actually pay attention to nutritional needs, are hungry all day and aren't sugar addicts?
Where did state that I hated IIFYM???Because the "low carb diet" is the in thing now.....just like all the other "diets" in the past, just another fad diet. LOL
Yeah, that 100 year old fad really hasn't been around that long at all, amazing doctors have been prescribing it at all when it's only been successful longer than the FDA has existed. What's next, the sage wisdom that as soon as you eat carbs again, CICO magically stops working, or the advice that it can't be done long term?
LC is nothing more than IIFYM with a big gap between carbs and fat. Why do you hate IIFYM so much?
It's based on a statement they like to make that we don't realize that in reality IIFYM is pretty much LC but we don't see that.
You seem to have me confused with one of your groupies.
So now that we have established that it is something you guys say over in your group how about providing an answer without deflecting?
Why do you hate accepting the fact that the people that say they follow IIFYM don't eat donuts all day, actually pay attention to nutritional needs, are hungry all day and aren't sugar addicts?
Deflecting what? I've never said they eat donuts all day. I'm sorry your strawman has adequacy issues, but that's not my problem.
Right, you've never made statements like that in your group. I guess I'm the only one that can see it.
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It's a shame that we are getting into personalities here. Is that what all threads with no subject devolve into? lol
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3530364/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19480693
Here are a few studies which talk about the links to blood sugar and cancer or the therapeutic benefit of a very low carb diet on existing cancers. I know there are a lot of conflicting studies about these benefits, however big pharmacy, mass food producers and the FDA have a lot of money to spend on studies to discredit research they don't want heard.
I'll be happy to state that I deliberately set my carb macro low. There are a lot of health benefits to that. An additional benefit is that, once most people adapt to a low carb state they are much more compliant to their calorie goals.
There are a lot of benefits for performance athletes to a low carb way of eating also. There are some good studies on that also if anyone is interested.
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It's a shame that we are getting into personalities here. Is that what all threads with no subject devolve into? lol
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3530364/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19480693
Here are a few studies which talk about the links to blood sugar and cancer or the therapeutic benefit of a very low carb diet on existing cancers. I know there are a lot of conflicting studies about these benefits, however big pharmacy, mass food producers and the FDA have a lot of money to spend on studies to discredit research they don't want heard.
I'll be happy to state that I deliberately set my carb macro low. There are a lot of health benefits to that. An additional benefit is that, once most people adapt to a low carb state they are much more compliant to their calorie goals.
There are a lot of benefits for performance athletes to a low carb way of eating also. There are some good studies on that also if anyone is interested.
It is!
This is the most messed up forum I know of!
At work I showed some of the Cross Fit guys a few posts and they just laughed!
And no, I'm not a cross fit guy. That is some hard core craziness!
I have read how bread and grain industries may have helped make their food a staple as a marketing device
Maybe some truth?
Look back at tobacco companies had Doctors advocating smoking!!
But yes the moderate carb and slightly higher fat diet with the fat from MCT sources looks interesting.
But my issue is I like the full feeling from fibrous carbs in vegetables. Sugar no...
I can enjoy a low carb tortilla with black beans and shredded chicken breast and a good hot pepper sauce
That is adding into 30 carbs. And it is filling and has a good blend of nutrients and dietary fiber.
In your experience personally, how effective is 60-80 carbs a day in a pretty active exercise life at seeing those lower carb lifestyle benefits?
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tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »
Where did state that I hated IIFYM???Because the "low carb diet" is the in thing now.....just like all the other "diets" in the past, just another fad diet. LOL
Yeah, that 100 year old fad really hasn't been around that long at all, amazing doctors have been prescribing it at all when it's only been successful longer than the FDA has existed. What's next, the sage wisdom that as soon as you eat carbs again, CICO magically stops working, or the advice that it can't be done long term?
LC is nothing more than IIFYM with a big gap between carbs and fat. Why do you hate IIFYM so much?Because the "low carb diet" is the in thing now.....just like all the other "diets" in the past, just another fad diet. LOL
Yeah, that 100 year old fad really hasn't been around that long at all, amazing doctors have been prescribing it at all when it's only been successful longer than the FDA has existed. What's next, the sage wisdom that as soon as you eat carbs again, CICO magically stops working, or the advice that it can't be done long term?
LC is nothing more than IIFYM with a big gap between carbs and fat. Why do you hate IIFYM so much?
I am not aware of an IIFYM version that restricts foods....
LC doesn't restrict foods. If you really wanted to, you could have that fun sized snickers bar for breakfast and not eat any other carbs for the rest of the day. It's just more intelligent to use that macro for things like vegetables. People on LC often choose to restrict foods because they have other conditions that warrant it, like diabetes or IR. That's a personal choice, just like people who don't like spinach or are allergic to nuts choose not to eat spinach or nuts, even though they'd fit their macros.
really? So you are not restricting your carb intake to a certain level?
You do restrict your carbs on LC (obviously), just like you restrict your calories when calorie counting. What foods you eat is still up to you. I can have a couple cans of pop on LC diet, or I can have an absolute crap ton of fibrous veggies, some whole dairy, seeds and nuts, and a small amount of low sugar fruit for the same amount of carbs. Just like a person can have a donut for breakfast or some oatmeal with fruit for similar calorie levels. Carbs aren't a "food" they are a macro, but you know this
ummm if you are restricting carbs then that means that there are certain foods like pasta, rice, etc that you can't eat; hence, you are restricting them. Unless you are saying different? The poster is trying to conflate IIFYM with LC, which IMO is not a valid comparison point.
I don't see what a donut for breakfast has to do with this...
I can, and do, eat pasta, rice, and potatoes, etc. you can't eat those things when you are keto (but that's not simply LC), and many LC plans have people do a short term "induction" phase where you can't eat those foods. However, you do gradually add back carbs as you approach maintenance and, depending on your personal tolerance level, you may very well be able to have small portions of starchy carbs now and then. You are restricting carbs, much the same way someone might restrict calories; how many carbs (or calories) you have to "spend" and what you choose to spend them on, is still up to you!
interesting, considering you have potatoes listed once in the past seven days in your diary and none of these other foods that you say you eat.
I ate rice with dinner today (haven't finished out the day's entry yet). Yesterday I had a double burger at Wendy's and (gasp) ate the bun (omg! alert the LC police), This past weekend I ate pizza (including the crust) and homemade mac and cheese (there's your pasta, hon).... Only went over my carb goals once -my youngest daughter's b-day when I had pizza and chocolate cake. Oh, wait, my bad - I was STILL under by 2 g. Low carb is not no carb. Now, on my daughter's b-day I had to eat VLC breakfast and a VLC lunch to make "room" for the pizza and cake that I knew was coming, but that's the point - I wouldn't do that every day because I wouldn't be able to fill my micros that way. Once in a while? Sure. But as a general rule I'd rather have more veggies and more fruit than that.
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Sometimes the forums make me think of high school. This is why we can't have nice things....0
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When you have to resort to conspiracy you already lost. Why do the longest living and healthiest popluations eat high carb diets?It's a shame that we are getting into personalities here. Is that what all threads with no subject devolve into? lol
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3530364/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19480693
Here are a few studies which talk about the links to blood sugar and cancer or the therapeutic benefit of a very low carb diet on existing cancers. I know there are a lot of conflicting studies about these benefits, however big pharmacy, mass food producers and the FDA have a lot of money to spend on studies to discredit research they don't want heard.
I'll be happy to state that I deliberately set my carb macro low. There are a lot of health benefits to that. An additional benefit is that, once most people adapt to a low carb state they are much more compliant to their calorie goals.
There are a lot of benefits for performance athletes to a low carb way of eating also. There are some good studies on that also if anyone is interested.
And benefits to performance athletes. Nope anything over 70% Vo2 max and fat adaptation falls on its face. Also, the ACSM 2015 conference destroyed "fat-adaption".
http://www.teamusa.org/News/2015/May/14/Fuel-For-Champions-What-Triathletes-Eat#.VVUrEAOHqeA.twitter
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It's a shame that we are getting into personalities here. Is that what all threads with no subject devolve into? lol
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3530364/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19480693
Here are a few studies which talk about the links to blood sugar and cancer or the therapeutic benefit of a very low carb diet on existing cancers. I know there are a lot of conflicting studies about these benefits, however big pharmacy, mass food producers and the FDA have a lot of money to spend on studies to discredit research they don't want heard.
I'll be happy to state that I deliberately set my carb macro low. There are a lot of health benefits to that. An additional benefit is that, once most people adapt to a low carb state they are much more compliant to their calorie goals.
There are a lot of benefits for performance athletes to a low carb way of eating also. There are some good studies on that also if anyone is interested.
you do realize that we can find as many studies saying low carb is not healthy and can lead to cancer and coronary disease right?....
I am not here to debate if it's "good" or not...just to say it's not a choice that should be made lightly...it's not easy and you can feel "empty" on it, then there is what is called "carb flu"...I mean come on...almost any low carb person says the same thing..
"those feelings will pass eventually"...well to hell with that I don't want to feel like crap when I am losing weight even for a little bit....0 -
Where did state that I hated IIFYM???Because the "low carb diet" is the in thing now.....just like all the other "diets" in the past, just another fad diet. LOL
Yeah, that 100 year old fad really hasn't been around that long at all, amazing doctors have been prescribing it at all when it's only been successful longer than the FDA has existed. What's next, the sage wisdom that as soon as you eat carbs again, CICO magically stops working, or the advice that it can't be done long term?
LC is nothing more than IIFYM with a big gap between carbs and fat. Why do you hate IIFYM so much?Because the "low carb diet" is the in thing now.....just like all the other "diets" in the past, just another fad diet. LOL
Yeah, that 100 year old fad really hasn't been around that long at all, amazing doctors have been prescribing it at all when it's only been successful longer than the FDA has existed. What's next, the sage wisdom that as soon as you eat carbs again, CICO magically stops working, or the advice that it can't be done long term?
LC is nothing more than IIFYM with a big gap between carbs and fat. Why do you hate IIFYM so much?
I am not aware of an IIFYM version that restricts foods....
LC doesn't restrict foods. If you really wanted to, you could have that fun sized snickers bar for breakfast and not eat any other carbs for the rest of the day. It's just more intelligent to use that macro for things like vegetables. People on LC often choose to restrict foods because they have other conditions that warrant it, like diabetes or IR. That's a personal choice, just like people who don't like spinach or are allergic to nuts choose not to eat spinach or nuts, even though they'd fit their macros.
Only time someone should be on low carb diet is for medical reasons, otherwise most people do it because they think they will lose weight quicker, as per the OP stated below:
andrealopez12 wrote: »
2pounds down so ummmm thisno carb diet I like!!!!
So anyone who changes their macros from 50/30/20 to 30/30/40 is doing it wrong, because they've lowered their carbs?
30% carbs is low carb, really?
Carbohydrate restriction for sure. Well below the conventional wisdom recommendations.0 -
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Which nipple regulates CO ? I never figured out which to turn.0
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It's a shame that we are getting into personalities here. Is that what all threads with no subject devolve into? lol
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3530364/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19480693
Here are a few studies which talk about the links to blood sugar and cancer or the therapeutic benefit of a very low carb diet on existing cancers. I know there are a lot of conflicting studies about these benefits, however big pharmacy, mass food producers and the FDA have a lot of money to spend on studies to discredit research they don't want heard.
I'll be happy to state that I deliberately set my carb macro low. There are a lot of health benefits to that. An additional benefit is that, once most people adapt to a low carb state they are much more compliant to their calorie goals.
There are a lot of benefits for performance athletes to a low carb way of eating also. There are some good studies on that also if anyone is interested.
you do realize that we can find as many studies saying low carb is not healthy and can lead to cancer and coronary disease right?....
I am not here to debate if it's "good" or not...just to say it's not a choice that should be made lightly...it's not easy and you can feel "empty" on it, then there is what is called "carb flu"...I mean come on...almost any low carb person says the same thing..
"those feelings will pass eventually"...well to hell with that I don't want to feel like crap when I am losing weight even for a little bit....
I can understand that perspective (not wanting to "suffer" for even a short while). Me, I'm an ex-smoker. I was prepared for the low carb flu and willing to accept momentary, fleeting discomfort if it meant a healthier future. If I wasn't willing to do that, I'd wouldn't be an "ex"-smoker
That said, the way I went about it I skipped the LC "flu" entirely - I cut back gradually over the course of about 2 weeks (from around 250g/day to 80 g/day) changing one meal at a time and giving myself a few days to adjust - first I swapped my shredded wheat and skim milk for eggs and cleaned up my coffee (bye bye coffee mate, hello half and half, so long 2 tsp sugar per cup); then I skipped the sammies and wraps and starch-based soups for lunch, and went with salads, bun-less burgers, and simple meat-and-veg leftovers instead; then I switched to whole milk with my dinner, started eating fattier cuts of meat, and replaced some of the starch with nicely buttered veggies; I replaced starchy snack with low carb snacks, but very quickly found I didn't need to snack anymore, lol, so that was short lived; for dessert (if I bothered with it) I'd have some really good, really dark chocolate, or berries and heavy cream with cinnamon. By the end of two weeks I felt great, with more energy than I'd had in years, and no more highs and lows (no more needing coffee at 3pm just to get through the day!); by the end of 6 weeks my eczema was gone (chronic, moderate to severe eczema that had plagued me for 8 years), and by the end of 7 months I had dropped 40 lbs and 3 dress sizes. Hell, all that would have been worth feeling like crap for a few days, but I didn't "suffer" at all. Loved every minute of it.
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professionalHobbyist wrote: »ladymiseryali wrote: »Sometimes the forums make me think of high school. This is why we can't have nice things....
Let me guess. Everyone is guilty except the ones that follow LC?
Because that's TOTALLY what I said....except it isn't. Don't make assumptions.0 -
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This discussion isn't acceptable and this dynamic is ridiculous. We are not cleaning it up as there is no hope its going to get back on track; its far too derailed.
A new person came into our forums, posted in Getting Started that she is trying to lose weight doing low carbs and says hello. Its not acceptable for every discussion to turn into an immediate, disrespectful argument between various "camps" in our community. If a discussion doesn't apply to you, don't reply. If you want to offer helpful, constructive advice as to what works for you, please do.
If you are concerned about content in a public group, please report the post or discussion that concerns you or contact an MFP staff or moderator.
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