CAN'T Give up CANDY!!!!
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This is probably going to get some hate, but if it's preventing you from reaching your goals, just stop cold turkey. You CAN stop eating it. Sugar is addictive and after a while you'll stop craving it, I promise.0
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
I'm fairly sure you've been around the last 257235162565 times this comparison was made and should know it's the same region that activates when you pet a puppy, see your SO or are in general happy about something.0 -
And......AmenBlueSkyShoal wrote: »I did!! HUUUUGE. But--I think it would be too peanut buttery for me. My favorites are actually the mini cups. I feel they have the best ratio of peanut butter to chocolate.
LIES! It is a scientific fact that perfection was realized via the Reeses Peanut Butter Egg. It's proof that God exists and that she loves us.0 -
greekyogurtandpuppies wrote: »This is probably going to get some hate, but if it's preventing you from reaching your goals, just stop cold turkey. You CAN stop eating it. Sugar is addictive and after a while you'll stop craving it, I promise.
So you think her single Hershey's kiss is what is preventing her from reaching her goals, is pointing towards signs of addiction, and warrants an extreme approach like going cold turkey from all sugar (including that in fruit?)?
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greekyogurtandpuppies wrote: »This is probably going to get some hate, but if it's preventing you from reaching your goals, just stop cold turkey. You CAN stop eating it. Sugar is addictive and after a while you'll stop craving it, I promise.
So you think her single Hershey's kiss is what is preventing her from reaching her goals, is pointing towards signs of addiction, and warrants an extreme approach like going cold turkey from all sugar (including that in fruit?)?
No, and I don't think she should stop eating it unless it's impacting her goals. Also yes, a single Hershey kiss will usually make you crave more, and if OP caves that isn't good for weight loss.
I have no problem with sugar in fruit! It's added sugar that I am concerned with.
Spelling from personal experience, I haven't had any candy/baked goods/chocolate basically any sweet besides fruit in a year and I haven't had any cravings after a month, and I look leaner.
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greekyogurtandpuppies wrote: »greekyogurtandpuppies wrote: »This is probably going to get some hate, but if it's preventing you from reaching your goals, just stop cold turkey. You CAN stop eating it. Sugar is addictive and after a while you'll stop craving it, I promise.
So you think her single Hershey's kiss is what is preventing her from reaching her goals, is pointing towards signs of addiction, and warrants an extreme approach like going cold turkey from all sugar (including that in fruit?)?
No, and I don't think she should stop eating it unless it's impacting her goals. Also yes, a single Hershey kiss will usually make you crave more, and if OP caves that isn't good for weight loss.
I have no problem with sugar in fruit! It's added sugar that I am concerned with.
Spelling from personal experience, I haven't had any candy/baked goods/chocolate basically any sweet besides fruit in a year and I haven't had any cravings after a month, and I look leaner.
But the OP said nothing about lost to control and eating more than one Hershey kiss. She said she has candy every day, sometimes a single kiss and sometimes a bag of skittles. She didn't say once she eats one she can't stop eating them.
Also many, many people, myself included, are perfectly capable of eating a single Hershey's kiss and not craving more. I prefer dark chocolate but can have a single Dove promise or Ghiradelli square and not have cravings for more. They fit in my day and have not prevented me from hitting my goals. Ironically I look leaner than I did last year too.
Lastly, if sugar is addictive, why is the sugar in fruit ok but the sugar in candy isn't? Your body processes it the same way. That's like saying that that an alcoholic can drink wine because it has some other health benefits but shouldn't drink vodka.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
LOL
as someone else pointed out ..that is the same center that you get a pleasure reaction from petting puppies…
so are you addicted to petting puppy's too?0 -
Really, if eliciting the same neurotransmitter means it must be the same feeling, this person's view of oxytocin must be disturbing.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
LOL
as someone else pointed out ..that is the same center that you get a pleasure reaction from petting puppies…
so are you addicted to petting puppy's too?
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Really, if eliciting the same neurotransmitter means it must be the same feeling, this person's view of oxytocin must be disturbing.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
LOL
as someone else pointed out ..that is the same center that you get a pleasure reaction from petting puppies…
so are you addicted to petting puppy's too?
that posters view of everything is disturbing..
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
LOL
as someone else pointed out ..that is the same center that you get a pleasure reaction from petting puppies…
so are you addicted to petting puppy's too?
One doesn't develop addictive behaviour from petting puppies though. Or maybe you do!? Let's find out...
You feel sluggish or fatigued from excessive puppy-petting:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You find yourself petting puppies even when your hands are sore:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You have had physical withdrawal symptoms such as agitation and anxiety when you cut down on puppy-petting time. (Do NOT include stuffed toys, etc.):
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You have spent time dealing with negative feelings from excessive petting of puppies, instead of spending time in important activities such as time with family, friends, work, or recreation:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You worry about cutting down on puppy-petting:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
Issues related to puppies and petting decrease your ability to function effectively (daily routine, job/school, social or family activities, health difficulties):
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
Your behavior with respect to puppies and petting causes you significant distress:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
In the past 12 months...
You kept petting the same breeds or numbers of puppies despite significant emotional and/or physical problems related to your petting
Yes
No
Petting the same number of puppies does not reduce negative emotions or increase pleasurable feelings the way it used to:
Yes
No
Well? How'd you do?0 -
There's some good tasting sugar free candies out there0
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
LOL
as someone else pointed out ..that is the same center that you get a pleasure reaction from petting puppies…
so are you addicted to petting puppy's too?
One doesn't develop addictive behaviour from petting puppies though. Or maybe you do!? Let's find out...
You feel sluggish or fatigued from excessive puppy-petting:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You find yourself petting puppies even when your hands are sore:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You have had physical withdrawal symptoms such as agitation and anxiety when you cut down on puppy-petting time. (Do NOT include stuffed toys, etc.):
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You have spent time dealing with negative feelings from excessive petting of puppies, instead of spending time in important activities such as time with family, friends, work, or recreation:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You worry about cutting down on puppy-petting:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
Issues related to puppies and petting decrease your ability to function effectively (daily routine, job/school, social or family activities, health difficulties):
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
Your behavior with respect to puppies and petting causes you significant distress:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
In the past 12 months...
You kept petting the same breeds or numbers of puppies despite significant emotional and/or physical problems related to your petting
Yes
No
Petting the same number of puppies does not reduce negative emotions or increase pleasurable feelings the way it used to:
Yes
No
Well? How'd you do?
i am not going to play the question game with you; however, the point, which you have totally missed, is that petting puppies stimulates the same part of the brain as in the photo that you posted, so trying to correlate that to cocaine is ridiculous, because if you did the same scan and compared cocaine to petting puppies you would get the same result. Thus, you are using a faulty comparison method.
Is that getting through?0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
LOL
as someone else pointed out ..that is the same center that you get a pleasure reaction from petting puppies…
so are you addicted to petting puppy's too?
One doesn't develop addictive behaviour from petting puppies though. Or maybe you do!? Let's find out...
You feel sluggish or fatigued from excessive puppy-petting:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You find yourself petting puppies even when your hands are sore:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You have had physical withdrawal symptoms such as agitation and anxiety when you cut down on puppy-petting time. (Do NOT include stuffed toys, etc.):
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You have spent time dealing with negative feelings from excessive petting of puppies, instead of spending time in important activities such as time with family, friends, work, or recreation:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
You worry about cutting down on puppy-petting:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
Issues related to puppies and petting decrease your ability to function effectively (daily routine, job/school, social or family activities, health difficulties):
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
Your behavior with respect to puppies and petting causes you significant distress:
Never
Once per month
2-4 times per month
2-4 times per week
4+ times per week
In the past 12 months...
You kept petting the same breeds or numbers of puppies despite significant emotional and/or physical problems related to your petting
Yes
No
Petting the same number of puppies does not reduce negative emotions or increase pleasurable feelings the way it used to:
Yes
No
Well? How'd you do?
So if I answer never / no to all these questions for sugar, you'll admit it isn't an addiction?0 -
Haha everyone getting shirty. I haven't said sugar is evil, people need to go and read where I said I have some sweets whilst I am training. I have some myself at other times.
But the OP has put 6lbs on and eats sweets a lot and wants to lose it. Common sense is to reduce it or cut it out if they wanna lose it again, don't you think? If you wanna cut you gotta lose body fat. If you wanna lose body fat then reduce unnecessary carb intake such as sweets. End of.
or just eat less of EVERYTHING..
if you want to reduce body fat you eat less calories, carb intake has nothing to do with it; unless of course your carb intake is putting you in a surplus.
Which sweets more than likely are.
Nope. That's an assumption. You are are making assumptions on how people lose weight and what they have to do.
Not really. Man I am getting bored of repeating myself here. For the final time, pay attention, are you ready?
The OP said they can't stop eating sweets.
Doesn't take a genius to work out what MAY not be helping diet wise.
And at the same time have made statements about everyone in general needing to not eat sweets on a regular basis if they want to drop the fat they want but at the same time there have been people in this thread alone that said they do eat it in a regular basis and hit their goals but yet you ignore that fact.
No, just not advocating including sweets in a diet. As an odd treat yeah. As part of a lifestyle and diet no. Have you ever seen any serious training guide suggest sweets as part of a daily diet? I haven't.
But each to their own.
I generally stay away from these threads but I had to answer this with "Layne Norton". Because science.0 -
Alright, let's go back to high school lock and key explanations of biological activation.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
In both cases down, the "locks" in the reward center have been activated.
In the case of sugar, the "key" is your own body making dopamine.
In the cocaine picture, it is actually cocaine or metabolites there of acting as the "key".
Your body has rate limiting feedback loops that prevent dopamine from continuously being pumped out - every time the lock and key pair, they activate signals that tell your body, "OK, stop producing keys".
Since cocaine comes from outside your body, your body has no way to stop key production.
This is the difference in a physically addictive opioid.
No college course necessary if you had a decent high school biology course.
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My advice is give up candy. The reason why... you used the word CAN'T. There are things a person can't do, say... like breathing. You can't give up breathing. Candy isn't essential for you to live. It's a luxury thing. One point I couldn't give up potato chips. Now I live just fine and happy without potato chips. That mayo that I once couldn't do without, that mayo that still is the center of my family's diet... I do just fine without it. Stop candy completely. Learn to live without it. Once you have regained a healthy outlook for it, then buy you a piece here and there.0
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Haha everyone getting shirty. I haven't said sugar is evil, people need to go and read where I said I have some sweets whilst I am training. I have some myself at other times.
But the OP has put 6lbs on and eats sweets a lot and wants to lose it. Common sense is to reduce it or cut it out if they wanna lose it again, don't you think? If you wanna cut you gotta lose body fat. If you wanna lose body fat then reduce unnecessary carb intake such as sweets. End of.
or just eat less of EVERYTHING..
if you want to reduce body fat you eat less calories, carb intake has nothing to do with it; unless of course your carb intake is putting you in a surplus.
Which sweets more than likely are.
Nope. That's an assumption. You are are making assumptions on how people lose weight and what they have to do.
Not really. Man I am getting bored of repeating myself here. For the final time, pay attention, are you ready?
The OP said they can't stop eating sweets.
Doesn't take a genius to work out what MAY not be helping diet wise.
And at the same time have made statements about everyone in general needing to not eat sweets on a regular basis if they want to drop the fat they want but at the same time there have been people in this thread alone that said they do eat it in a regular basis and hit their goals but yet you ignore that fact.
No, just not advocating including sweets in a diet. As an odd treat yeah. As part of a lifestyle and diet no. Have you ever seen any serious training guide suggest sweets as part of a daily diet? I haven't.
But each to their own.
I generally stay away from these threads but I had to answer this with "Layne Norton". Because science.
Was his answer take it with 5g of Leucine and you'll be good?0 -
i am not going to play the question game with you; however, the point, which you have totally missed, is that petting puppies stimulates the same part of the brain as in the photo that you posted, so trying to correlate that to cocaine is ridiculous, because if you did the same scan and compared cocaine to petting puppies you would get the same result. Thus, you are using a faulty comparison method.
Is that getting through?
Yes, I was aware of the point you were trying to make. And the point I was trying to make is there are two elements of addiction (as identified in the text that accompanies the photo)... dopamine reaction is one, and 'addictive reactions' is the other.
So petting puppies (like any other pleasurable activity) may stimulate a dopamine reaction, but it doesn't lead to addictive reactions (the point of the quiz is that it identifies these). This is likely because the speed, intensity and reliability of dopamine release is not as great with puppies as it is with concentrated sugar/drugs.
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Alright, let's go back to high school lock and key explanations of biological activation.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
In both cases down, the "locks" in the reward center have been activated.
In the case of sugar, the "key" is your own body making dopamine.
In the cocaine picture, it is actually cocaine or metabolites there of acting as the "key".
Your body has rate limiting feedback loops that prevent dopamine from continuously being pumped out - every time the lock and key pair, they activate signals that tell your body, "OK, stop producing keys".
Since cocaine comes from outside your body, your body has no way to stop key production.
This is the difference in a physically addictive opioid.
No college course necessary if you had a decent high school biology course.
I quit biology after tenth grade. (I didn't like the idea of cutting up cats.)
... So I don't have the knowledge to make any kind of judgement about your explanation, but I do think if it were that simple the scientific community would not currently be devoting so much time/resource/effort to debating the subject.
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So you just assume there are no people addicted to petting puppies by those standards?Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
And oddly if someone answered yes to the above for it, I'd suspect OCD rather than addiction.
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Teach the controversy gambit.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Alright, let's go back to high school lock and key explanations of biological activation.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
In both cases down, the "locks" in the reward center have been activated.
In the case of sugar, the "key" is your own body making dopamine.
In the cocaine picture, it is actually cocaine or metabolites there of acting as the "key".
Your body has rate limiting feedback loops that prevent dopamine from continuously being pumped out - every time the lock and key pair, they activate signals that tell your body, "OK, stop producing keys".
Since cocaine comes from outside your body, your body has no way to stop key production.
This is the difference in a physically addictive opioid.
No college course necessary if you had a decent high school biology course.
I quit biology after tenth grade. (I didn't like the idea of cutting up cats.)
... So I don't have the knowledge to make any kind of judgement about your explanation, but I do think if it were that simple the scientific community would not currently be devoting so much time/resource/effort to debating the subject.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
i am not going to play the question game with you; however, the point, which you have totally missed, is that petting puppies stimulates the same part of the brain as in the photo that you posted, so trying to correlate that to cocaine is ridiculous, because if you did the same scan and compared cocaine to petting puppies you would get the same result. Thus, you are using a faulty comparison method.
Is that getting through?
Yes, I was aware of the point you were trying to make. And the point I was trying to make is there are two elements of addiction (as identified in the text that accompanies the photo)... dopamine reaction is one, and 'addictive reactions' is the other.
So petting puppies (like any other pleasurable activity) may stimulate a dopamine reaction, but it doesn't lead to addictive reactions (the point of the quiz is that it identifies these). This is likely because the speed, intensity and reliability of dopamine release is not as great with puppies as it is with concentrated sugar/drugs.
therefore, sugar stimulating dopamine center has absolutely nothing to do with sugar addiction, and you never should of even posted that picture as it proves absolutely nothing.
I am glad we cleared that up.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Alright, let's go back to high school lock and key explanations of biological activation.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »And we've got this week's "sugar is literally like cocaine" comparison.
Funny you should mention that. Look what I came across...
In both cases down, the "locks" in the reward center have been activated.
In the case of sugar, the "key" is your own body making dopamine.
In the cocaine picture, it is actually cocaine or metabolites there of acting as the "key".
Your body has rate limiting feedback loops that prevent dopamine from continuously being pumped out - every time the lock and key pair, they activate signals that tell your body, "OK, stop producing keys".
Since cocaine comes from outside your body, your body has no way to stop key production.
This is the difference in a physically addictive opioid.
No college course necessary if you had a decent high school biology course.
I quit biology after tenth grade. (I didn't like the idea of cutting up cats.)
... So I don't have the knowledge to make any kind of judgement about your explanation, but I do think if it were that simple the scientific community would not currently be devoting so much time/resource/effort to debating the subject.
LOL but you do have the knowledge to make ridiculous claims about sugar addiction????0 -
i am just going to put this here..
http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/abstract
Methods
By considering the relevant literature a series of predictions were examined, derived from the hypothesis that addiction to sucrose consumption can develop. Fasting should increase food cravings, predominantly for sweet items; cravings should occur after an overnight fast; the obese should find sweetness particularly attractive; a high-sugar consumption should predispose to obesity. More specifically predictions based on the hypothesis that addiction to sugar is central to bingeing disorders were developed. Dieting should predate the development of bingeing; dietary style rather than psychological, social and economic factors should be predispose to eating disorders; sweet items should be preferentially consumed while bingeing; opioid antagonists should cause withdrawal symptoms; bingeing should develop at a younger age when there is a greater preference for sweetness.
Results
The above predications have in common that on no occasion was the behaviour predicted by an animal model of sucrose addiction supported by human studies.
Conclusion
There is no support from the human literature for the hypothesis that sucrose may be physically addictive or that addiction to sugar plays a role in eating disorders.0 -
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
i am not going to play the question game with you; however, the point, which you have totally missed, is that petting puppies stimulates the same part of the brain as in the photo that you posted, so trying to correlate that to cocaine is ridiculous, because if you did the same scan and compared cocaine to petting puppies you would get the same result. Thus, you are using a faulty comparison method.
Is that getting through?
Yes, I was aware of the point you were trying to make. And the point I was trying to make is there are two elements of addiction (as identified in the text that accompanies the photo)... dopamine reaction is one, and 'addictive reactions' is the other.
So petting puppies (like any other pleasurable activity) may stimulate a dopamine reaction, but it doesn't lead to addictive reactions (the point of the quiz is that it identifies these). This is likely because the speed, intensity and reliability of dopamine release is not as great with puppies as it is with concentrated sugar/drugs.
therefore, sugar stimulating dopamine center has absolutely nothing to do with sugar addiction, and you never should of even posted that picture as it proves absolutely nothing.
I am glad we cleared that up.
It does have *something* to do with it but that's not the only consideration. i.e., All addictive substances stimulate a dopamine reaction, but not everything that stimulates a dopamine reaction is addictive. Petting puppies being one example of the latter.
This is a good piece that explains it...
http://www.helpguide.org/harvard/how-addiction-hijacks-the-brain.htm
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
i am not going to play the question game with you; however, the point, which you have totally missed, is that petting puppies stimulates the same part of the brain as in the photo that you posted, so trying to correlate that to cocaine is ridiculous, because if you did the same scan and compared cocaine to petting puppies you would get the same result. Thus, you are using a faulty comparison method.
Is that getting through?
Yes, I was aware of the point you were trying to make. And the point I was trying to make is there are two elements of addiction (as identified in the text that accompanies the photo)... dopamine reaction is one, and 'addictive reactions' is the other.
So petting puppies (like any other pleasurable activity) may stimulate a dopamine reaction, but it doesn't lead to addictive reactions (the point of the quiz is that it identifies these). This is likely because the speed, intensity and reliability of dopamine release is not as great with puppies as it is with concentrated sugar/drugs.
therefore, sugar stimulating dopamine center has absolutely nothing to do with sugar addiction, and you never should of even posted that picture as it proves absolutely nothing.
I am glad we cleared that up.
It does have *something* to do with it but that's not the only consideration. i.e., All addictive substances stimulate a dopamine reaction, but not everything that stimulates a dopamine reaction is addictive. Petting puppies being one example of the latter.
This is a good piece that explains it...
http://www.helpguide.org/harvard/how-addiction-hijacks-the-brain.htm
it is a spacious conclusion, or as some would say observational bias.
you can't just post a picture of cocaine and sugar stimulation and correlate them when we know that anything that causes pleasure - like petting puppies - stimulate the same region.
if I posted the same picture and put cocaine vs petting puppies you would call it an absurd comparison.
I am done talking about this with you as you have totally derailed this thread.
if you want, start your own thread, and post the picture there for further debate.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
i am not going to play the question game with you; however, the point, which you have totally missed, is that petting puppies stimulates the same part of the brain as in the photo that you posted, so trying to correlate that to cocaine is ridiculous, because if you did the same scan and compared cocaine to petting puppies you would get the same result. Thus, you are using a faulty comparison method.
Is that getting through?
Yes, I was aware of the point you were trying to make. And the point I was trying to make is there are two elements of addiction (as identified in the text that accompanies the photo)... dopamine reaction is one, and 'addictive reactions' is the other.
So petting puppies (like any other pleasurable activity) may stimulate a dopamine reaction, but it doesn't lead to addictive reactions (the point of the quiz is that it identifies these). This is likely because the speed, intensity and reliability of dopamine release is not as great with puppies as it is with concentrated sugar/drugs.
therefore, sugar stimulating dopamine center has absolutely nothing to do with sugar addiction, and you never should of even posted that picture as it proves absolutely nothing.
I am glad we cleared that up.
It does have *something* to do with it but that's not the only consideration. i.e., All addictive substances stimulate a dopamine reaction, but not everything that stimulates a dopamine reaction is addictive. Petting puppies being one example of the latter.
This is a good piece that explains it...
http://www.helpguide.org/harvard/how-addiction-hijacks-the-brain.htm
it is a spacious conclusion, or as some would say observational bias.
you can't just post a picture of cocaine and sugar stimulation and correlate them when we know that anything that causes pleasure - like petting puppies - stimulate the same region.
if I posted the same picture and put cocaine vs petting puppies you would call it an absurd comparison.
I am done talking about this with you as you have totally derailed this thread.
if you want, start your own thread, and post the picture there for further debate.
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