Is Diet Coke actually Satan?
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PeachyCarol wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »I've always had a suspicion that Diet Coke and diet beverages in general probably weren't that great for me.
But lately, a number of articles / studies are claiming it does all kind of crazy things to our internal chemistry and and even metabolism. It's slowly killing you) -- -- and just as associated with all the evils of obesity and poor diet.
But is it more ambiguous than that? Could it be it's just that people who drink Diet Coke are making decisions to consume more calories? Or are these artificial sweeteners really causing an insulin ambulance that makes you hungrier and slows your metabolism?
I'm interesting in cutting through a lot of the alarmist stuff that kids the news cycle. Sure, it may not be great for you -- but is this calorie-less beverage really affecting your bottom line and calories out if you're eating right and staying on track otherwise?
Not a huge fan of diet beverages anyway (I tend toward fruit juice and seltzer). But actually curious if these claims make any sense at all the folks here with their chops in nutrition and biology.
Unfortunate thread title because you won't get focus on your questions.
From my point of view it is certainly more in the ambiguous camp. All those epidemiological studies? It's just likely that it's weakly associated with people that make poor dietary choices more often than people that are more conscious of their diet.
Is it bad? Not in normal use, but can be in high excess. (As can seltzer and fruit juice - in high excess it's to much cals, etc)
There is some new evidence on possible gut flora interactions but I'm finding it very very tenuous and the articles read so far are full of "magical" thinking.
I love when you post exactly what I'm thinking when I can't find the words for it first thing in the morning.
Lately my diet drink of choice has been diet Dr. Pepper. Funny thing, though. I don't drink much at all a day. We've been buying the 20 ounce bottles and one has been lasting 4-5 days. We don't really drink diet sodas as a beverage, just as a little hit of something sweet. When I'm thirsty, I chug water.
LOVE Diet Dr. Pepper but it is harder to find the caffeine free stuff. Almost impossible to get caffeine free Diet Mountain Dew unless it is in the 2 liter, which is so much more than I would drink before it goes flat. (I am sensitive to caffeine so I have my one cup of coffee in the morning and no more unless I have a cup of tea)
Wait.
Caffeine free diet Dr. Pepper actually EXISTS?!?!?!?!?! That's like a mythical unicorn of happiness.
I've never even seen it.
The caffeine is one of the reasons I don't drink a lot of it, I have to watch how much of that stuff I get thanks to my migraines.
When I drink diet Canada Dry, I tend to have a bit more than 3-4 ounces. Sometimes quite a bit more.
Yep! It has gold outlines around the lettering/logo.
It pays to have worked in a grocery store for almost 16 years...0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »I've always had a suspicion that Diet Coke and diet beverages in general probably weren't that great for me.
But lately, a number of articles / studies are claiming it does all kind of crazy things to our internal chemistry and and even metabolism. It's slowly killing you) -- -- and just as associated with all the evils of obesity and poor diet.
But is it more ambiguous than that? Could it be it's just that people who drink Diet Coke are making decisions to consume more calories? Or are these artificial sweeteners really causing an insulin ambulance that makes you hungrier and slows your metabolism?
I'm interesting in cutting through a lot of the alarmist stuff that kids the news cycle. Sure, it may not be great for you -- but is this calorie-less beverage really affecting your bottom line and calories out if you're eating right and staying on track otherwise?
Not a huge fan of diet beverages anyway (I tend toward fruit juice and seltzer). But actually curious if these claims make any sense at all the folks here with their chops in nutrition and biology.
Unfortunate thread title because you won't get focus on your questions.
From my point of view it is certainly more in the ambiguous camp. All those epidemiological studies? It's just likely that it's weakly associated with people that make poor dietary choices more often than people that are more conscious of their diet.
Is it bad? Not in normal use, but can be in high excess. (As can seltzer and fruit juice - in high excess it's to much cals, etc)
There is some new evidence on possible gut flora interactions but I'm finding it very very tenuous and the articles read so far are full of "magical" thinking.
I love when you post exactly what I'm thinking when I can't find the words for it first thing in the morning.
Lately my diet drink of choice has been diet Dr. Pepper. Funny thing, though. I don't drink much at all a day. We've been buying the 20 ounce bottles and one has been lasting 4-5 days. We don't really drink diet sodas as a beverage, just as a little hit of something sweet. When I'm thirsty, I chug water.
LOVE Diet Dr. Pepper but it is harder to find the caffeine free stuff. Almost impossible to get caffeine free Diet Mountain Dew unless it is in the 2 liter, which is so much more than I would drink before it goes flat. (I am sensitive to caffeine so I have my one cup of coffee in the morning and no more unless I have a cup of tea)
Wait.
Caffeine free diet Dr. Pepper actually EXISTS?!?!?!?!?! That's like a mythical unicorn of happiness.
I've never even seen it.
The caffeine is one of the reasons I don't drink a lot of it, I have to watch how much of that stuff I get thanks to my migraines.
When I drink diet Canada Dry, I tend to have a bit more than 3-4 ounces. Sometimes quite a bit more.
Yup. I usually have to get it in the cans, which I don't like because I want to be able to re-seal it, but it is definitely out there!
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PeachyCarol wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »I've always had a suspicion that Diet Coke and diet beverages in general probably weren't that great for me.
But lately, a number of articles / studies are claiming it does all kind of crazy things to our internal chemistry and and even metabolism. It's slowly killing you) -- -- and just as associated with all the evils of obesity and poor diet.
But is it more ambiguous than that? Could it be it's just that people who drink Diet Coke are making decisions to consume more calories? Or are these artificial sweeteners really causing an insulin ambulance that makes you hungrier and slows your metabolism?
I'm interesting in cutting through a lot of the alarmist stuff that kids the news cycle. Sure, it may not be great for you -- but is this calorie-less beverage really affecting your bottom line and calories out if you're eating right and staying on track otherwise?
Not a huge fan of diet beverages anyway (I tend toward fruit juice and seltzer). But actually curious if these claims make any sense at all the folks here with their chops in nutrition and biology.
Unfortunate thread title because you won't get focus on your questions.
From my point of view it is certainly more in the ambiguous camp. All those epidemiological studies? It's just likely that it's weakly associated with people that make poor dietary choices more often than people that are more conscious of their diet.
Is it bad? Not in normal use, but can be in high excess. (As can seltzer and fruit juice - in high excess it's to much cals, etc)
There is some new evidence on possible gut flora interactions but I'm finding it very very tenuous and the articles read so far are full of "magical" thinking.
I love when you post exactly what I'm thinking when I can't find the words for it first thing in the morning.
Lately my diet drink of choice has been diet Dr. Pepper. Funny thing, though. I don't drink much at all a day. We've been buying the 20 ounce bottles and one has been lasting 4-5 days. We don't really drink diet sodas as a beverage, just as a little hit of something sweet. When I'm thirsty, I chug water.
LOVE Diet Dr. Pepper but it is harder to find the caffeine free stuff. Almost impossible to get caffeine free Diet Mountain Dew unless it is in the 2 liter, which is so much more than I would drink before it goes flat. (I am sensitive to caffeine so I have my one cup of coffee in the morning and no more unless I have a cup of tea)
Wait.
Caffeine free diet Dr. Pepper actually EXISTS?!?!?!?!?! That's like a mythical unicorn of happiness.
I've never even seen it.
The caffeine is one of the reasons I don't drink a lot of it, I have to watch how much of that stuff I get thanks to my migraines.
When I drink diet Canada Dry, I tend to have a bit more than 3-4 ounces. Sometimes quite a bit more.
Yup. I usually have to get it in the cans, which I don't like because I want to be able to re-seal it, but it is definitely out there!
That would explain why I don't know about it. I never even look at canned soda. Thanks! (you too, Malibu!)
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Yes, if you would sell your soul for it.0
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Diet Coke is the nectar of the gods.0
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diet coke is the debil!0
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OP-I lost almost 60lbs, improved my health and blood panels, and I've now been successfully maintaining for 2 years. I drink diet soda every.single.day.
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Maybe the OP made a spelling mistake and is asking if diet Coke is actually Santa?
I see adverts with Santa drinking lots of Coke around Christmas time.
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No, Satan is sugar, and that's what everyone in hell will be eating and drinking forever, and without an "insulin ambulance*" in sight.
*In the OP, I believe the term "insulin imbalance" was meant. Either way, still works for hell.
You'll have to pry my cherry coke zero from my cold dead hands. Just saying
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
FTFY.
Artificial sweeteners may increase weight gain or slowc weight loss in some individuals because poorer choices are made elsewhere in their diets, or because they become our remain addicted to sweetened foods and consume more such foods with caloric impact. Affect all? No, but for sure some.
As for physical impacts it's early days but sufficient research exists to warrant caution.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/health/artificial-sweeteners-linked-to-obesity-epidemic-scientists-say-1.2769196
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If sugar is the devil, are all my calories removed if I go to confession? That might be a fair trade if it works.0
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2020pinktogo wrote: »Typical family didn't actually read all the labels. Yes I was a diet soda person didn't matter if it was coke or pepsi. Then my daughter got her chemistry degree and does research. We have gone more organic and we don't touch any diet beverage or artificial sweetener.
I don't have a degree but I did my own research and also by using my common sense, I figured out that being able to taste the artificial sweeteners in diet foods and drinks is disturbing and seriously not good at all.0 -
Wait, I drink MUG....does that mean I am not part of this demographic????/Am I left out again!0
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My brothers Urologist claimed the caramel color can cause kidney stones. Kidney stones don't kill you, they just make you writhe in pain, puke your guts out and pee pink.0
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Charlie003 wrote: »Wait, I drink MUG....does that mean I am not part of this demographic????/Am I left out again!
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Yes. It's Diet Pepsi all the way.
When I was type 2 diabetic I groaned inwardly when my daughter would pontificate about the dangers of pop. I never convinced her that sugar pop was far worse for me.0 -
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It's satan because it's disgusting. As soon as it hits your mouth it foams to bubbles, yuck, so unenjoyable.0
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Why yes, yes it is 0
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jessica22222 wrote: »It's satan because it's disgusting. As soon as it hits your mouth it foams to bubbles, yuck, so unenjoyable.
Wait, isn't this the whole point of soda?0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »jessica22222 wrote: »It's satan because it's disgusting. As soon as it hits your mouth it foams to bubbles, yuck, so unenjoyable.
Wait, isn't this the whole point of soda?
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »jessica22222 wrote: »It's satan because it's disgusting. As soon as it hits your mouth it foams to bubbles, yuck, so unenjoyable.
Wait, isn't this the whole point of soda?
I thought the carbonation is what made it soda?
Well I guess we thought wrong. Carbonation = satan.0 -
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I've been reading up on the theory that suggests soda is a drug not a food, based on its ingredients or combination thereof: caffeine, aspartame (or sugar, or whatever), phosphoric acid, potassium citrate, etc. In fact, anything that interacts with the brain: coffee, chocolate, alcohol, cigarettes, etc., could be lumped into this category under this theory.
For the most part, no judgement call is made as to whether these drugs are good or bad--especially since things change with the method of consumption, the amount you consume, and the combination of different things consumed. There are findings suggesting there are benefits and precautions with everything depending upon all of the above. And, to complicate things further, things that are beneficial to the brain (like coffee and doughnuts in the morning), could actually be considered detrimental to the body.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »The thing about found "links" is...
... I'm well aware of the nature of links. My choice of one news article to introduce the subject was one made of a desire to be brief, not to convince.
One can choose to look at artificially sweetened products as benign from the strict perspective of caloric content. For a majority of members at MFP that might be ok, provided they are using diet beverages as one component of an overall calorie intake reduction strategy. But for some continuing to feed an addiction to sweet things leads to poor outcomes and they'd be better breaking off breaking their habit or learning to moderate. Feeding a sweet tooth doesn't seem to me to be a good way of doing that.
But to assume or promote artificially sweetened products as benign overall, based on what I've read out simply out of personal curiosity, that's a bridge too far for me to cross.
Disclaimer: I'm not a regular soda drinker or addicted to sweets but if I'm going to have a soda, regular please.0
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