Yes, this is GROSS but can POO SWAPPING become an answer to our ''fat battle prayers''???

arachnofobia7

I've come across this idea some time ago and here is a link that sheds some light on the concept:

http://www.emaxhealth.com/8782/thin-people-poop-may-become-obesity-cure

Before the debate starts and I get accused of spreading some ''woo science'' around, I want to assure you that I follow the classic principle of CICO along with moderate but regular and consistent exercise regime. I am more than happy with results and I am not going to change much (though I think I should start lifting:))
HOWEVER - I always wondered, how comes that two siblings, following the same diet with similar activity level can be remotely different in terms of weight. For some time I was attached to the theory of ''body types'' which made sense to me, but as soon as I had mentioned it here I got told off:)

I'm sure that all of you know people who seem to be eating a lot but stay skinny and vice versa - the others ( like myself) keep absorbing fat from air ))

This is how I came across that theory that it might be due to more or less ''efficient'' bacterias living in our guts and swapping them over could solve our ''fat issues'' forever???

Have you heard of it? What do you think? Any professionals out there with some scientific/medical background to support/discredit the idea???

Azexas

ehh.... I don't believe all the hype with it. It's interesting research, I will say that. But I want to know was standing around a lab going " I wonder what will happen if I take poop from Person A and put it in Person B"

BenjaminMFP88

Never done much research on the topic, but I have heard several fairly reliable source speak highly of the positive effects of "efficient" gut bacterias.

fr3smyl

I don't care what the results are. I am not poo swapping with anyone. I will just have to suffer.

Machka9

arachnofobia7 wrote: »

I'm sure that all of you know people who seem to be eating a lot but stay skinny

For years, I was one of those. People saw me eating (mainly my coworkers) and kept commenting on how much I ate, but what people didn't see was the massive amount of exercise I was doing. I was cycling 10,000 km/year + walking a lot + skiing and snowshoeing in winter + weight lifting and taking yoga classes. I cycled to and from work ... I walked at lunch ... and I spent hours each evening and on the weekend being active.

So ... next time you assume that someone is just magically skinny, you might inquire what they did on the weekend.


And as for this idea ... no thank you.

Kalikel

I don't know what it is, but am fairly confident that it will not be the answer to anything for me.

missiontofitness

I don't want anyone's poop anywhere near me, nor will I be offering up my poop to anyone else.

Kalikel

missiontofitness wrote: »

I don't want anyone's poop anywhere near me, nor will I be offering up my poop to anyone else.

Oh, I will. If anyone wants my poop, it's yours for the low, low price of 9.99, plus shipping. Free local delivery!

missiontofitness

Kalikel wrote: »

missiontofitness wrote: »

I don't want anyone's poop anywhere near me, nor will I be offering up my poop to anyone else.

Oh, I will. If anyone wants my poop, it's yours for the low, low price of 9.99, plus shipping. Free local delivery!

I think there are already businesses where you can have poop delivered to people's doors...except it's cow poop, and you usually do it to someone you don't like.

Kalikel

missiontofitness wrote: »

Kalikel wrote: »

missiontofitness wrote: »

I don't want anyone's poop anywhere near me, nor will I be offering up my poop to anyone else.

Oh, I will. If anyone wants my poop, it's yours for the low, low price of 9.99, plus shipping. Free local delivery!

I think there are already businesses where you can have poop delivered to people's doors...except it's cow poop, and you usually do it to someone you don't like.

Lol! I would never waste money on something like that when it could be given to people who need it, BUT it's kind of funny to think about. A little crazy, but funny.

missiontofitness

Kalikel wrote: »

missiontofitness wrote: »

Kalikel wrote: »

missiontofitness wrote: »

I don't want anyone's poop anywhere near me, nor will I be offering up my poop to anyone else.

Oh, I will. If anyone wants my poop, it's yours for the low, low price of 9.99, plus shipping. Free local delivery!

I think there are already businesses where you can have poop delivered to people's doors...except it's cow poop, and you usually do it to someone you don't like.

Lol! I would never waste money on something like that when it could be given to people who need it, BUT it's kind of funny to think about. A little crazy, but funny.

Haha, I'd also wonder how legal that is...and those poor mailmen/FedEx drivers!

Kalikel

missiontofitness wrote: »

Kalikel wrote: »

missiontofitness wrote: »

Kalikel wrote: »

missiontofitness wrote: »

I don't want anyone's poop anywhere near me, nor will I be offering up my poop to anyone else.

Oh, I will. If anyone wants my poop, it's yours for the low, low price of 9.99, plus shipping. Free local delivery!

I think there are already businesses where you can have poop delivered to people's doors...except it's cow poop, and you usually do it to someone you don't like.

Lol! I would never waste money on something like that when it could be given to people who need it, BUT it's kind of funny to think about. A little crazy, but funny.

Haha, I'd also wonder how legal that is...and those poor mailmen/FedEx drivers!

I sell my clothes on eBay (I go through them so fast!) and the post office always asks if it contains hazmat...I wondering that includes poo!

Someone bought some that I must mail tomorrow. I'm going to ask.

Vailara

I've been reading about this recently - there's some very interesting research going on. There's a nice little TED talk here : https://www.ted.com/talks/rob_knight_how_our_microbes_make_us_who_we_are? .

I'm hoping that if gut flora proves to be the answer (or at least, the answer for a group of people whose gut flora is disordered), there might be some way to improve it other than faecal transplantation (other methods are being looked at, I believe). It might not be a "forever" answer though, as perhaps certain illnesses or courses of antibiotics could interfere with the bacteria.

KillRKit

I have read several studies regarding this in the last year or so, super interesting reading.
Here is a similar one with dogs http://m.phys.org/news/2014-12-explores-role-gut-bacteria-obesity.html
Poo swapping sounds so gross...fecal transplants not so bad. Seriously though, with the number of insane things people do in the name of weight loss is it really beyond imagining?

Qskim

Agree the research is fascinating but I suspect that considering obesity can be the result of of a multitude of problematic contributors - cultural, psychological as well as physical. it won't be an all encompassing obesity solver in much the same way that the discovery of Leptin turned out not to be.

faithyang

I think its something to do with the flora and fauna of the digestive system that's why the twins are so distinct if I'm not wrong. The poo swapping idea seems extremely disgusting to most but then again if you think about it we ingest far worse things - the prawns we eat have their digestive sacs still attached with naturally, their poo, and we eat that. When we eat soft shell crab, anchovies, or use fermented sauces made from things like fish, we are ingesting their poo and innards and everything all ground up and rotted. We eat plenty of insects and rodents from the factory processes that allow for a percentage of these things to fall into our foods and drinks in factories because the industry is very practical about 'accidents' - you can't throw away millions of dollars of stock just because a cockroach fell into your soda vat and dissolved into the mixture, which you drink. We ingest mouldy cheese, many with insects having crawled around it no matter how 'hygenic, none of which we can vouch for anyway so we eat away in bliss.

So I guess its about perspective.

smotheredincheese

Well dogs like to eat poop and a lot of them a pretty thin, so it must work. Right?

missiontofitness

smotheredincheese wrote: »

Well dogs like to eat poop and a lot of them a pretty thin, so it must work. Right?

Oh god. If you had to eat poop to do this.....I'm gagging.

faithyang

Have any of you seen the movie called 'The Human Centipede'? I was never the same again. Have PTSD.

missiontofitness

faithyang wrote: »

Have any of you seen the movie called 'The Human Centipede'?

WHY.

mangrothian

Koala's feed their infants poop to make sure they get the appropriate bacteria to be able to digest Eucalyptus leaves properly. Other animals do it if they have a nutrient deficiency; it's not unknown in nature.

Getting proper gut flora by poop transplant in humans is actually done, just not orally (bleuargh). Gastroenterologists jokingly call them transpoosions, and do it to help with a variety of gut disorders. What I would like to know is, how do you know if someone is a worthy donor, and how to you convince them to donate O_o

In regards to your question though, I don't think it's even part of an answer, unless a person is habitually eating because of constant nutrient deficiency due to poor gut absorption.

missiontofitness

I'm somewhat glad I accidentally fell asleep way too early tonight, and was awake to see this thread.
I regret that it is now 6AM, and I am still reading about poop.

girlinahat

poo swapping is a tried and tested treatment for certain issues, or 'faecal transplant' I think it's referred to. I believe they use it to transplant beneficial gut bacteria (via poo in pill form) into the gut of someone where the gut bacteria have been destroyed by antibiotics or other reasons.

I read something recently whereby someone who'd had the transplant via donor poo from a sibling who was overweight, and became obese herself, with the blame partly being put on the new gut bacteria (she was better off however given her very ill condition beforehand), so it is probable that the reverse could work.

Tortitudekitty

Sounds like an idea formed from those gross "human centipede" films.

I think I will pass*.



*I mean not participate, lol!

palmettoadventurer

Poo swapping is not, and hopefully never will be, the answer to any of my prayers.

rhtexasgal

As someone who has ulcerative colitis, fecal transplant was at the end of a list of treatments for me should I ever needed it. Luckily, I got my gut under control and have been in remission, for the most part, for 5 years. I take heavy doses of probiotics and eat fermented pickles now daily for the good bacteria so I don't ever go through that hell I went through during a UC flare.

For those that "poo poo" this idea (ha ha), you would greatly consider it if you slept in the bathroom because your gut was in such turmoil. I remember dropping 25 pounds in 2 weeks because of UC and trust me, that is not the weight loss tool you want to follow. As for poo swapping for weight loss? I think it would be stupid. You can repopulate your gut with good bacteria with probiotics, fermented foods and a good, clean eating plan (no processed crap to feed the bad bacteria). No need to resort to using someone else's fecal matter (gross!).

andympanda

smotheredincheese wrote: »

Well dogs like to eat poop and a lot of them a pretty thin, so it must work. Right?

I do not remember where i read it, but i heard that dogs are the only creatues besides humans that overeay. I gues that is why they are Man's best friend.

I thing the story is full of s-h-i-t

arachnofobia7

Machka9 wrote: »

arachnofobia7 wrote: »

I'm sure that all of you know people who seem to be eating a lot but stay skinny

For years, I was one of those. People saw me eating (mainly my coworkers) and kept commenting on how much I ate, but what people didn't see was the massive amount of exercise I was doing. I was cycling 10,000 km/year + walking a lot + skiing and snowshoeing in winter + weight lifting and taking yoga classes. I cycled to and from work ... I walked at lunch ... and I spent hours each evening and on the weekend being active.
So ... next time you assume that someone is just magically skinny, you might inquire what they did on the weekend.
And as for this idea ... no thank you.

Well, for twenty years I used to live with my sister who happens to be stick skinny even though she eats a lot and she leads rather sedentary life (unless a weekly trip to a shopping mall counts as a high intensity cardio:) - so no assumptions on this one ))
On another hand ... there is me... cycling, running, swimming, playing tennis, walking the dog, cleaning, cooking, standing while teaching...and always slightly over the number I wish I was on...

randomtai

JoRocka

faithyang wrote: »

Have any of you seen the movie called 'The Human Centipede'? I was never the same again. Have PTSD.

I have some really weird desire to watch this when I'm wasted. I understand the concept of it- and it TOTALLY grosses me out.

Like a train wreck- still want to watch.

tulips_and_tea

JoRocka wrote: »

faithyang wrote: »

Have any of you seen the movie called 'The Human Centipede'? I was never the same again. Have PTSD.

I have some really weird desire to watch this when I'm wasted. I understand the concept of it- and it TOTALLY grosses me out.

Like a train wreck- still want to watch.

Oh, hell no. You're much braver than I. I'm going to go with "what is seen cannot be unseen" and leave it at that.

And, @randomtai's gif is my exact reaction to this thread.