My Food Diary - Your opinions please
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danieltsmoke wrote: »One thing I keep thinking is, I've been eating this way, between 1200-1600 calories a day, for over 2 weeks. Honestly, if I was truly robbing myself of a lot of muscle, and killing my metabolism or whatever, wouldn't I feel it by now? Maybe needing an extra nap in my day, or not having the energy to get up and cook dinner or whatever? Literally, if anything, I've been feeling better... ?
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YupDawnieB1977 wrote: »
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According to the USDA, 100g of potato is 77 calories. 5.3 oz is 150g or 115 calories. He logged half of 5.3 oz. Look very specifically at what you took a screenshot of.0
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According to the USDA, 100g of potato is 77 calories. 5.3 oz is 150g or 115 calories. He logged half of 5.3 oz. Look very specifically at what you took a screenshot of.
Maybe English potatoes have more calories lol. 55 calories would be quarter of an average size baked potato. If that's what the OP ate, fair enough.0 -
You keep going back to "average". That's a terrible way to estimate food. Logging by weight is as accurate as you can get. 5.3 oz potatoes are an average size of potato that you would get in a bag of them- they're not the same as the giant baking potatoes you buy individually, at least not in the US.0
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According to the USDA, 100g of potato is 77 calories. 5.3 oz is 150g or 115 calories. He logged half of 5.3 oz. Look very specifically at what you took a screenshot of.
Actually I read that as He logged half a baked potato at 5.3oz = 148g
And that calorie count is not for a baked potato
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/3131 ...microwaved its 100 calories per 100g
http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/HHFS_POTATOES_RUSSET_Dec2012.pdf0 -
I do weigh them, but an average size potato is usually between 200-220g. Every potato for making baked potatoes with has always weighed between 200-220g.0
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Charlotte596_ wrote: »If your going ask a question for advice and then already choose to ignore the advice what's the point in asking the question?!
I have to agree with this. Why bother. He can do his own research. That's what he is doing. Let him. If he wants to starve and eat the minimum. So be it.
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Ok about the potato...I made a whole batch of chopped(?), seasoned, baked potato, and put about 5.5oz(on a digital scale :] ) in each meal container because it looks like a serving size I'd eat..then I found and entry for baked seasoned potato that matched that weight about.. Second, I'll up my calorie intake..Many of you feel I need to be eating more, so this whole thing has been very helpful. I don't think I need to go as high as some of you suggest tho..probably about 1800 should work for me.0
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So...getting better? I still felt like I was constantly eating. And sugars are high, should probably not use as much yogurt? Or less sugar yogurt?0 -
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danieltsmoke wrote: »
So...getting better? I still felt like I was constantly eating. And sugars are high, should probably not use as much yogurt? Or less sugar yogurt?
No, not really. You're low in protein and fat in my opinion. Why do you not eat protein with lunch? You could add a tin of salmon for example - protein and good Fats! You could add protein powder to your breakfast, or make eggy oats with a couple of eggs added in. 3 meals is not constantly eating.0 -
Have you had WLS?0
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My heart weeps at the lack of fat.0
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Have you had WLS?
wls? like wieght loss or? If so, yeah I haven't weighed myself in a few days, but in two is weeks I lost about 15lbs...but of course a lot of that was probably water weight from lowering my sodium
@minties82 Honestly, I have no issues with the foods that I'm eating, they do just fine and I feel like I could probably eat the (with a cheat day here and there) for a very long time. That oatmeal and peanut butter is so good, especially with the banana, and the ranch/rice/chicken dinner was pretty amazing too :]0 -
You are going to be SO sorry when you realise that you have got to the weight you thought you ought to be but are still fat, because you ate so little that you lost a lot of muscle too.
This is not a competition to see who can be most good, or eat the least. You win when you eat lots of great food and still lose weight.
Food is good. Eat more of it. Add some snacks. Protein bars and shakes are good. Cheese, nuts, fruit, popcorn, hell, have some bloody chocolate. Have a beer. Eat a donut. Or two. Eat some of the calorie dense food that you say made you fat. You can eat one meal of calorie dense food, and have the other two be 'healthy'. You have lots of room for this stuff, and you will STILL LOSE WEIGHT at a decent pace.
You can eat less when you get nearer to your goal.
Also, didn't we have this whole exact same conversation with you last week? The advice isn't going to change. This is starting to look like you're afraid of eating enough, and afraid of eating the foods that made you overweight. Are you?0 -
No I'm not afraid of food at all, I have cheat meals and such no problem. But eating healthier foods, I'm not hungry, and it seems counter intuitive to eat more than that, simply to fill a calorie quota.0
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danieltsmoke wrote: »No I'm not afraid of food at all, I have cheat meals and such no problem. But eating healthier foods, I'm not hungry, and it seems counter intuitive to eat more than that, simply to fill a calorie quota.
That is the problem Daniel, it isn't just to fill the calorie quota it is for health reasons. Your dietary fats are so low that your body won't be able to transport your vitamin A, E, D or K around plus lot's of other vital things that our bodies need fat for. People aren't saying it for no reason, long term health wise you need to get that protein and fat content up nearer your target amounts.
Even from a vanity point when you hit goal weight you will still be fat rather than lean if you keep your protein that low.
Your plan of 1800 is much better, just add in more fat and protein and you'll get there!0 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »danieltsmoke wrote: »No I'm not afraid of food at all, I have cheat meals and such no problem. But eating healthier foods, I'm not hungry, and it seems counter intuitive to eat more than that, simply to fill a calorie quota.
That is the problem Daniel, it isn't just to fill the calorie quota it is for health reasons. Your dietary fats are so low that your body won't be able to transport your vitamin A, E, D or K around plus lot's of other vital things that our bodies need fat for. People aren't saying it for no reason, long term health wise you need to get that protein and fat content up nearer your target amounts.
Even from a vanity point when you hit goal weight you will still be fat rather than lean if you keep your protein that low.
Your plan of 1800 is much better, just add in more fat and protein and you'll get there!
Maybe I need to get some protein powder...anyone have recommendations?
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danieltsmoke wrote: »Have you had WLS?
wls? like wieght loss or? If so, yeah I haven't weighed myself in a few days, but in two is weeks I lost about 15lbs...but of course a lot of that was probably water weight from lowering my sodium
@minties82 Honestly, I have no issues with the foods that I'm eating, they do just fine and I feel like I could probably eat the (with a cheat day here and there) for a very long time. That oatmeal and peanut butter is so good, especially with the banana, and the ranch/rice/chicken dinner was pretty amazing too :]
If youre happy and you feel fine and feel like you could do this forever then just do it. Whatever is right or what every1 tells you is actually irrelevant. You will only do what you want to do. Just do it. Be happy.
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danieltsmoke wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »danieltsmoke wrote: »No I'm not afraid of food at all, I have cheat meals and such no problem. But eating healthier foods, I'm not hungry, and it seems counter intuitive to eat more than that, simply to fill a calorie quota.
That is the problem Daniel, it isn't just to fill the calorie quota it is for health reasons. Your dietary fats are so low that your body won't be able to transport your vitamin A, E, D or K around plus lot's of other vital things that our bodies need fat for. People aren't saying it for no reason, long term health wise you need to get that protein and fat content up nearer your target amounts.
Even from a vanity point when you hit goal weight you will still be fat rather than lean if you keep your protein that low.
Your plan of 1800 is much better, just add in more fat and protein and you'll get there!
Maybe I need to get some protein powder...anyone have recommendations?
Just add some meat to your lunch. Noms!0 -
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His protein is lowish but not irresponsibly so. .4 g per lb mass is still okay. I would up that just a little more--100g, at least. Then you're definitely fine. There isn't any evidence for having more than .7 g per pound of lean mass. And he hadn't got more than 150 lean pounds, for sure!
If you lift for just 25 min a day 3x per week, you'll protect your muscles from getting lost, too.
Be a bit careful at losing more than 3lbs a week because it puts you at higher risk for gallstones if you're obese, FYI. Last thing you want is to have to have your gallbladder removed. That said, a good rule of thumb for maximum sustainable weight loss is 1% of body mass per week.
If your actual weightloss is quite a bit off from what's predicted by your numbers, I'd watch out for undercounting. (Was that the world's smallest sweet potato of exactly 50g? A super tiny banana of exactly 100g?)
You NEED to keep fats at at least 10%. Fats at 30% are perfectly healthy and usually help with satiation...which clearly isn't a problem. So the level of fats would be unsustainable for someone who's hungry all the time. I didn't watch my fats yesterday, and it didn't bother me...until suddenly I wanted to gnaw off my own leg and eat it. LOL!
So there is no medical/nutritional reason that you have to have much more fats than you do now. 9*31=279 calories from fat.0 -
No..danieltsmoke wrote: »
Weight Loss Surgery.danieltsmoke wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »danieltsmoke wrote: »No I'm not afraid of food at all, I have cheat meals and such no problem. But eating healthier foods, I'm not hungry, and it seems counter intuitive to eat more than that, simply to fill a calorie quota.
That is the problem Daniel, it isn't just to fill the calorie quota it is for health reasons. Your dietary fats are so low that your body won't be able to transport your vitamin A, E, D or K around plus lot's of other vital things that our bodies need fat for. People aren't saying it for no reason, long term health wise you need to get that protein and fat content up nearer your target amounts.
Even from a vanity point when you hit goal weight you will still be fat rather than lean if you keep your protein that low.
Your plan of 1800 is much better, just add in more fat and protein and you'll get there!
Maybe I need to get some protein powder...anyone have recommendations?
Just add some meat to your lunch. Noms!
Will do!
Ok I'll look into getting a gym membership, thanks for the advice!MamaBirdBoss wrote: »His protein is lowish but not irresponsibly so. .4 g per lb mass is still okay. I would up that just a little more--100g, at least. Then you're definitely fine. He hadn't got more than 130 lean pounds, for sure! If you lift for just 25 min a day 3x per week, you'll protect your muscles from getting lost, too.
Be a bit careful at losing more than 3lbs a week because it puts you at higher risk for gallstones if you're obese, FYI. Last thing you want is to have to have your gallbladder removed.
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Guys, people who HAVE had WLS eat 1200 cal a day, and all of their health markers improve. Why is it so terrible that he's eating 1200-1600 (if he is) if he's honestly full? What's wrong with weight loss similar to minor WLS? Clearly people are getting it all the time and having positive results, so why castigate him over it?
He can transition to maintenance once he bounced into the upper range of a healthy weight by slowing his diet. His level of weight loss will naturally slow then, anyway. He's over 100 pounds overweight, at the edge of the morbid obesity range. Once he hits 185, he can up his calories by 100 calories a day per week until he hits maintenance and recomp. As he does that, he might lose another 5-10lbs. His weight would STILL be at the high end of normal.
I do not understand why he's getting the hate, and I can see nothing but possible gallbladder complications that will cause an issue here. Adherence is normally the issue with low cal. If he's not hungry, it won't be a problem.0 -
danieltsmoke wrote: »
Ok I'll look into getting a gym membership, thanks for the advice!
Yay! You might find that you really enjoy it. Get someone to really properly show you how to use the strength training equipment so you can work on preserving your muscle. You seem like the kind of person who might fall in love with the challenge of constantly increasing the weight you can lift.
As for protein powders, there are so many on the market, and the markets are different in each country. My favourite one at the minute is Bulk Powders Whey Isolate 90, for price, calories and protein content. But just make sure you get one that has a decent amount of protein - I go for at least 25g per serving. Also, Quest bars are amazing. Seriously. Look around and see if somewhere online sells them short dated - I rarely pay more than half price for mine, and that works out as cheap as, or cheaper than meat.
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MamaBirdBoss wrote: »Guys, people who HAVE had WLS eat 1200 cal a day, and all of their health markers improve. Why is it so terrible that he's eating 1200-1600 (if he is) if he's honestly full? What's wrong with weight loss similar to minor WLS? Clearly people are getting it all the time and having positive results, so why castigate him over it?
He can transition to maintenance once he bounced into the upper range of a healthy weight by slowing his diet. His level of weight loss will naturally slow then, anyway. He's over 100 pounds overweight, at the edge of the morbid obesity range. Once he hits 185, he can up his calories by 100 calories a day per week until he hits maintenance and recomp. As he does that, he might lose another 5-10lbs. His weight would STILL be at the high end of normal.
I do not understand why he's getting the hate, and I can see nothing but possible gallbladder complications that will cause an issue here. Adherence is normally the issue with low cal. If he's not hungry, it won't be a problem.danieltsmoke wrote: »
Ok I'll look into getting a gym membership, thanks for the advice!
Yay! You might find that you really enjoy it. Get someone to really properly show you how to use the strength training equipment so you can work on preserving your muscle. You seem like the kind of person who might fall in love with the challenge of constantly increasing the weight you can lift.
As for protein powders, there are so many on the market, and the markets are different in each country. My favourite one at the minute is Bulk Powders Whey Isolate 90, for price, calories and protein content. But just make sure you get one that has a decent amount of protein - I go for at least 25g per serving. Also, Quest bars are amazing. Seriously. Look around and see if somewhere online sells them short dated - I rarely pay more than half price for mine, and that works out as cheap as, or cheaper than meat.
Lol I wasn't hoping for everyone to lavish me in compliments for my post, but I also wasn't expecting the condescension that seemed to come from what my health noobness..These posts were a breath of fresh air. Anyway, I'm gonna try to get close to 1800cals, and start lifting...thanks for all the advise, ppls0 -
MamaBirdBoss wrote: »Guys, people who HAVE had WLS eat 1200 cal a day, and all of their health markers improve. Why is it so terrible that he's eating 1200-1600 (if he is) if he's honestly full? What's wrong with weight loss similar to minor WLS? Clearly people are getting it all the time and having positive results, so why castigate him over it?
He can transition to maintenance once he bouncing into the upper range of a healthy weight by slowing his diet once he dips below overweight. His level of weight loss will naturally slow then, anyway. He's over 100 pounds overweight, at the edge of the morbid obesity range. Once he hits 185, he can up his calories by 100 calories a day per week until he hits maintenance and recomp. As he does that, he might lose another 5-10lbs. His weight would STILL be at the high end of normal.
I do not understand why he's getting the hate, and I can see nothing but possible gallbladder complications that will cause an issue here. Adherence is normally the issue with low cal. If he's not hungry, it won't be a problem.
People who have WLS initially eat a small amount with supplements and monitoring and build up to eating more with supplements and slightly less monitoring
He is 310lbs ..he is logging under the nutritional minimum and his macros were initially well out of whack
And every time people say no big deal they reinforce the fact that this is most likely a quick step to crashing and burning whereas a reasonable approach would result in a better goal body composition
The research you're quoting on gallstones was in morbidly obese patients over 70% developed gallstones at a rate of 3.3lbs per week or over
Gallstones are not the only thing at issue ...LBM has been covered off then there's the standard issues of inadequate nutrition: fatigues, nail, hair, skin issues and long term issues etc etc
He came in saying he was naive and didn't understand...we are trying to help him understand not support him on a path that "seems ok cos the weight is falling off and I don't feel hungry"
You are as entitled your opinion as anyone and I'm entitled to think you're most likely wrong ...he has major scope to make minor adjustments and healthily and easily reach his goal body without taking drastic actions that may start off a lifelong battle with yo-yo diets0
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