6 BRUTALLY HONEST reasons why you are still fat

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  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Mr_Knight wrote: »
    Yep, pretty much all true.

    Number of people it will help: 0.

    Yes, it is honest. The article has been posted here before too, and it's a great reality check. :)

    Just curious- why do you think it will help no people?

    The guy's on point. As far as whether it will help people or not? Different people respond to different psychological approaches, and I think some people struggle with accepting this notion. There's no "better" when it comes to this kind of thing. Will this guy's no-nonsense approach turn off some? Yup. Will it get through to others? Yup.



  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    eric_sg61 wrote: »
    MissAmyx wrote: »
    As i said in my OP I get that this kind of "motivation" isn't for everyone but (and this is just my opinion here so you know don't get all mad...is that even a thing that happens? do people get mad at others for sharing their opinion on the internet? I doubt it, that sounds so crazy)
    sometimes people need to just harden up a little, some people (not all) really do hide behind the whole "It's actually everyone else's fault I'm over weight, I try to eat healthy but they bring snack foods to work and i can't be rude and say no to the food offered to me!" the article points out that playing the victim isn't going to fix anything people need to own up to their problems not find excuses for them.

    This article made me realize that I have used the excuses listed and i do need to harden up myself and take responsibility for my problems as well as realizing I'm the only one who's going to be responsible for any change that will occur.

    P.s Just to add (again just MHO) I feel that sometimes this place can be a little to flowery and all "Omg you're such a special unique snowflake girl/guy! You are just so magical and the sun radiates from your're very being!!! HUUUUUUUUUUUUGZ!!" a little bit of tough love and a reality check every now and then isn't going to hurt

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  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    edited June 2015
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Mr_Knight wrote: »
    kgeyser wrote: »
    But as I said in another post, there seems to be a bit too much focus on how he says things rather than discussion on what he actually says...

    That's because how we say things cannot be separated from what we say.

    I disagree. But I admit to being biased in that respect because I have a special needs kid, and things she says or writes do not always come out in the "prettiest" way, and often in the bluntest way possible. So I personally do not attach an opinion about a person's knowledge, intelligence, character, or ability based on their delivery and focus more on the content of their statements. And no, I am not saying in any way that people who are being intentionally rude or hurtful are on par with people with special needs, just illustrating why I personally separate the two based on my life experiences.

    And not to get all moddy up in here, but I think the intention of the OP was to discuss the points put forth by the blog author, not the author himself, so we should probably move the focus back to that since we've all acknowledged (including the author) that his delivery is not going to appeal to everyone.

    Ayup. I've got two of them. The one is old enough that most of the words are no longer an issue, but sometimes intonation/corresponding facial expression is still a problem.

    Keep fighting the good fight.

  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,603 Member
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Yes, honesty is his problem, lol. It's not hating people he works with and whining about it online. It's honesty!

    Maybe he should go to medical school and become a cardiologist. Then he'd have a never-ending supply of people who made bad choices and suffered the consequences to yell at and he could do it in person. He could also get them when at their lowest, weak and in hospital beds. "You shouldn't have eaten all that crap! That's why you're going to DIE!!!" They might even cry.

    He could become a clergyman. Holy crap, how he'd find people regretting their bad decisions. He could then tell them all the things they did wrong...and again, they'd be coming for help when they're the most miserable.

    Lots of opportunities to inflict that honesty on people and kick them when they're down. There's good coaching for you.

    But instead he finds himself in the unfortunate position of Fitness Coach, dealing with people who are...goodness, not fit!...and have the opportunity to blow him off much easier.

    Oh, that honesty. It's such a burden.


    Bu the thing is, he is not a priest, he is not a family doctor, he is not a suicide hotline counselor, he is a random guy with a blog. As he states in the disclaimer, if he was writing for a scientific journal or magazine, he would use a different approach.

    It's a blog post, not doctrine. *shrugs*

    If he wants to dump on people when they're down, which he obviously does, there are better jobs for it.

    I think he covered that in his sixth point where he talks about attitude and discusses how there are people with real issues such as homelessness, joblessness, cancer, diabetes, life-altering injuries, starvation, gang rape, kidnapping, and other very real obstacles in the world. He isn't talking to those people.

    He's talking to the people who "couldn't get to the gym" but manage to keep up with the happenings of the Kardashians. Who "can't find time to go grocery shopping" and end up eating fast food or large restaurant portions every night, but find time to log their every waking thought on Facebook. He's talking to the people who have vast resources at their disposal in terms of gyms, money, health care, grocery stores with wide selections, and education, and who still choose to not make their health or weight loss a priority.

    In short, he's talking to the ones who want to pretend to be a victim of their circumstances, rather than acknowledging that they have all the tools, they just choose not to use them.
    He needs a new job.

    It's obvious that he's kind of frustrated and overwhelmed with emotion after listening to excuses and wants to dump on people.

    He's not a good coach. Good coaches don't go on like that. It's not about their issues.

    He's even making excuses for himself and how he's so burdened by his honesty. So, he knows what he's doing is wrong.

    He's not good at what he's trying to do and he's unhappy. Time to find a new job!

    Theres a difference between honesty and brutal honesty. The brutal part is always about the person doling it out.

    It's a blog; I'm not sure how you can deduce his effectiveness at his job based on his blog. He has job, his clients are obviously happy with his work if they keep paying him. It's not a like a personal trainer is a necessity in life and you have to keep going whether you like it or not. No one is obligated to work with him if they do not like his style - he wouldn't be my choice for a trainer - but that doesn't mean he isn't able to help his clients get results.

    He may not have an approach you like, but you're making a lot of assumptions about who he is as a person based on one blog entry. You haven't addressed any of the points he made in his blog, just railed on his delivery style and his character. But then again, he addresses that reaction from people in the blog as well. I find his communication style blunt with harsh language, but not particularly brutal; but I would classify myself as being accountable for my choices when it comes to weight loss and fitness, so I'm willing to own up to not achieving particular goals due to personal choices in my diet and fitness routine and not just label him a "meanie" for pointing it out. That's not to say that I agree with every single point he makes or that it's my preferred communication style, but I would counter his statements with information or research, not attack him personally.

    So now that we've established that you don't like the way he says things, what do you think about his actual points?

    That's the thing about the Brutal Approach - most people don't try to look past the whining and nastiness to try to filter out whether they agree with some small part of your message. They're put off by the nastiness and the emotional outburst itself.

  • MelodyandBarbells
    MelodyandBarbells Posts: 7,724 Member
    Kalikel wrote: »
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Yes, honesty is his problem, lol. It's not hating people he works with and whining about it online. It's honesty!

    Maybe he should go to medical school and become a cardiologist. Then he'd have a never-ending supply of people who made bad choices and suffered the consequences to yell at and he could do it in person. He could also get them when at their lowest, weak and in hospital beds. "You shouldn't have eaten all that crap! That's why you're going to DIE!!!" They might even cry.

    He could become a clergyman. Holy crap, how he'd find people regretting their bad decisions. He could then tell them all the things they did wrong...and again, they'd be coming for help when they're the most miserable.

    Lots of opportunities to inflict that honesty on people and kick them when they're down. There's good coaching for you.

    But instead he finds himself in the unfortunate position of Fitness Coach, dealing with people who are...goodness, not fit!...and have the opportunity to blow him off much easier.

    Oh, that honesty. It's such a burden.


    Bu the thing is, he is not a priest, he is not a family doctor, he is not a suicide hotline counselor, he is a random guy with a blog. As he states in the disclaimer, if he was writing for a scientific journal or magazine, he would use a different approach.

    It's a blog post, not doctrine. *shrugs*

    If he wants to dump on people when they're down, which he obviously does, there are better jobs for it.

    I think he covered that in his sixth point where he talks about attitude and discusses how there are people with real issues such as homelessness, joblessness, cancer, diabetes, life-altering injuries, starvation, gang rape, kidnapping, and other very real obstacles in the world. He isn't talking to those people.

    He's talking to the people who "couldn't get to the gym" but manage to keep up with the happenings of the Kardashians. Who "can't find time to go grocery shopping" and end up eating fast food or large restaurant portions every night, but find time to log their every waking thought on Facebook. He's talking to the people who have vast resources at their disposal in terms of gyms, money, health care, grocery stores with wide selections, and education, and who still choose to not make their health or weight loss a priority.

    In short, he's talking to the ones who want to pretend to be a victim of their circumstances, rather than acknowledging that they have all the tools, they just choose not to use them.
    He needs a new job.

    It's obvious that he's kind of frustrated and overwhelmed with emotion after listening to excuses and wants to dump on people.

    He's not a good coach. Good coaches don't go on like that. It's not about their issues.

    He's even making excuses for himself and how he's so burdened by his honesty. So, he knows what he's doing is wrong.

    He's not good at what he's trying to do and he's unhappy. Time to find a new job!

    Theres a difference between honesty and brutal honesty. The brutal part is always about the person doling it out.

    It's a blog; I'm not sure how you can deduce his effectiveness at his job based on his blog. He has job, his clients are obviously happy with his work if they keep paying him. It's not a like a personal trainer is a necessity in life and you have to keep going whether you like it or not. No one is obligated to work with him if they do not like his style - he wouldn't be my choice for a trainer - but that doesn't mean he isn't able to help his clients get results.

    He may not have an approach you like, but you're making a lot of assumptions about who he is as a person based on one blog entry. You haven't addressed any of the points he made in his blog, just railed on his delivery style and his character. But then again, he addresses that reaction from people in the blog as well. I find his communication style blunt with harsh language, but not particularly brutal; but I would classify myself as being accountable for my choices when it comes to weight loss and fitness, so I'm willing to own up to not achieving particular goals due to personal choices in my diet and fitness routine and not just label him a "meanie" for pointing it out. That's not to say that I agree with every single point he makes or that it's my preferred communication style, but I would counter his statements with information or research, not attack him personally.

    So now that we've established that you don't like the way he says things, what do you think about his actual points?

    That's the thing about the Brutal Approach - most people don't try to look past the whining and nastiness to try to filter out whether they agree with some small part of your message. They're put off by the nastiness and the emotional outburst itself.

    There's no rule that your customer base has to be everybody on the planet. You can still create an effective product even with a niche approach
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Mr_Knight wrote: »
    kgeyser wrote: »
    But as I said in another post, there seems to be a bit too much focus on how he says things rather than discussion on what he actually says...

    That's because how we say things cannot be separated from what we say.

    I disagree. But I admit to being biased in that respect because I have a special needs kid...

    I have two diagnosed ASD. Teaching them *how* to say things takes up a huge percentage of parenting resources.

    Because it's the how, not the what, that people respond to.

    Difficult lesson for them to learn...but it needs to be learned...

  • kittykaida
    kittykaida Posts: 12 Member
    Ah, I loved it! Thanks for sharing!
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,603 Member
    edited June 2015
    JaneiR36 wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Yes, honesty is his problem, lol. It's not hating people he works with and whining about it online. It's honesty!

    Maybe he should go to medical school and become a cardiologist. Then he'd have a never-ending supply of people who made bad choices and suffered the consequences to yell at and he could do it in person. He could also get them when at their lowest, weak and in hospital beds. "You shouldn't have eaten all that crap! That's why you're going to DIE!!!" They might even cry.

    He could become a clergyman. Holy crap, how he'd find people regretting their bad decisions. He could then tell them all the things they did wrong...and again, they'd be coming for help when they're the most miserable.

    Lots of opportunities to inflict that honesty on people and kick them when they're down. There's good coaching for you.

    But instead he finds himself in the unfortunate position of Fitness Coach, dealing with people who are...goodness, not fit!...and have the opportunity to blow him off much easier.

    Oh, that honesty. It's such a burden.


    Bu the thing is, he is not a priest, he is not a family doctor, he is not a suicide hotline counselor, he is a random guy with a blog. As he states in the disclaimer, if he was writing for a scientific journal or magazine, he would use a different approach.

    It's a blog post, not doctrine. *shrugs*

    If he wants to dump on people when they're down, which he obviously does, there are better jobs for it.

    I think he covered that in his sixth point where he talks about attitude and discusses how there are people with real issues such as homelessness, joblessness, cancer, diabetes, life-altering injuries, starvation, gang rape, kidnapping, and other very real obstacles in the world. He isn't talking to those people.

    He's talking to the people who "couldn't get to the gym" but manage to keep up with the happenings of the Kardashians. Who "can't find time to go grocery shopping" and end up eating fast food or large restaurant portions every night, but find time to log their every waking thought on Facebook. He's talking to the people who have vast resources at their disposal in terms of gyms, money, health care, grocery stores with wide selections, and education, and who still choose to not make their health or weight loss a priority.

    In short, he's talking to the ones who want to pretend to be a victim of their circumstances, rather than acknowledging that they have all the tools, they just choose not to use them.
    He needs a new job.

    It's obvious that he's kind of frustrated and overwhelmed with emotion after listening to excuses and wants to dump on people.

    He's not a good coach. Good coaches don't go on like that. It's not about their issues.

    He's even making excuses for himself and how he's so burdened by his honesty. So, he knows what he's doing is wrong.

    He's not good at what he's trying to do and he's unhappy. Time to find a new job!

    Theres a difference between honesty and brutal honesty. The brutal part is always about the person doling it out.

    It's a blog; I'm not sure how you can deduce his effectiveness at his job based on his blog. He has job, his clients are obviously happy with his work if they keep paying him. It's not a like a personal trainer is a necessity in life and you have to keep going whether you like it or not. No one is obligated to work with him if they do not like his style - he wouldn't be my choice for a trainer - but that doesn't mean he isn't able to help his clients get results.

    He may not have an approach you like, but you're making a lot of assumptions about who he is as a person based on one blog entry. You haven't addressed any of the points he made in his blog, just railed on his delivery style and his character. But then again, he addresses that reaction from people in the blog as well. I find his communication style blunt with harsh language, but not particularly brutal; but I would classify myself as being accountable for my choices when it comes to weight loss and fitness, so I'm willing to own up to not achieving particular goals due to personal choices in my diet and fitness routine and not just label him a "meanie" for pointing it out. That's not to say that I agree with every single point he makes or that it's my preferred communication style, but I would counter his statements with information or research, not attack him personally.

    So now that we've established that you don't like the way he says things, what do you think about his actual points?

    That's the thing about the Brutal Approach - most people don't try to look past the whining and nastiness to try to filter out whether they agree with some small part of your message. They're put off by the nastiness and the emotional outburst itself.

    There's no rule that your customer base has to be everybody on the planet. You can still create an effective product even with a niche approach

    Fair enough. There are, as has been evidenced in this thread, people who enjoy being spoken to in that way and they may line up to pay for it.

    If I implied that the man couldn't profit, I apologize. Wasn't my intention. That kind of stuff isn't how good coaches operate, though. And it does stem from the characteristics most of them have.

    I know...well, I knew, good coaches. Well respected, professional guys. I couldn't do it, but it know it when I see it. :). They don't go on diatribes and defend themselves by saying, "I'm being honest!" While they may laugh and joke and make fun of their charges, they do it in a safe place, with each other, where nobody gets hurt. They aren't mean and they aren't out to make themselves look good.
  • MelodyandBarbells
    MelodyandBarbells Posts: 7,724 Member
    Kalikel wrote: »
    JaneiR36 wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Yes, honesty is his problem, lol. It's not hating people he works with and whining about it online. It's honesty!

    Maybe he should go to medical school and become a cardiologist. Then he'd have a never-ending supply of people who made bad choices and suffered the consequences to yell at and he could do it in person. He could also get them when at their lowest, weak and in hospital beds. "You shouldn't have eaten all that crap! That's why you're going to DIE!!!" They might even cry.

    He could become a clergyman. Holy crap, how he'd find people regretting their bad decisions. He could then tell them all the things they did wrong...and again, they'd be coming for help when they're the most miserable.

    Lots of opportunities to inflict that honesty on people and kick them when they're down. There's good coaching for you.

    But instead he finds himself in the unfortunate position of Fitness Coach, dealing with people who are...goodness, not fit!...and have the opportunity to blow him off much easier.

    Oh, that honesty. It's such a burden.


    Bu the thing is, he is not a priest, he is not a family doctor, he is not a suicide hotline counselor, he is a random guy with a blog. As he states in the disclaimer, if he was writing for a scientific journal or magazine, he would use a different approach.

    It's a blog post, not doctrine. *shrugs*

    If he wants to dump on people when they're down, which he obviously does, there are better jobs for it.

    I think he covered that in his sixth point where he talks about attitude and discusses how there are people with real issues such as homelessness, joblessness, cancer, diabetes, life-altering injuries, starvation, gang rape, kidnapping, and other very real obstacles in the world. He isn't talking to those people.

    He's talking to the people who "couldn't get to the gym" but manage to keep up with the happenings of the Kardashians. Who "can't find time to go grocery shopping" and end up eating fast food or large restaurant portions every night, but find time to log their every waking thought on Facebook. He's talking to the people who have vast resources at their disposal in terms of gyms, money, health care, grocery stores with wide selections, and education, and who still choose to not make their health or weight loss a priority.

    In short, he's talking to the ones who want to pretend to be a victim of their circumstances, rather than acknowledging that they have all the tools, they just choose not to use them.
    He needs a new job.

    It's obvious that he's kind of frustrated and overwhelmed with emotion after listening to excuses and wants to dump on people.

    He's not a good coach. Good coaches don't go on like that. It's not about their issues.

    He's even making excuses for himself and how he's so burdened by his honesty. So, he knows what he's doing is wrong.

    He's not good at what he's trying to do and he's unhappy. Time to find a new job!

    Theres a difference between honesty and brutal honesty. The brutal part is always about the person doling it out.

    It's a blog; I'm not sure how you can deduce his effectiveness at his job based on his blog. He has job, his clients are obviously happy with his work if they keep paying him. It's not a like a personal trainer is a necessity in life and you have to keep going whether you like it or not. No one is obligated to work with him if they do not like his style - he wouldn't be my choice for a trainer - but that doesn't mean he isn't able to help his clients get results.

    He may not have an approach you like, but you're making a lot of assumptions about who he is as a person based on one blog entry. You haven't addressed any of the points he made in his blog, just railed on his delivery style and his character. But then again, he addresses that reaction from people in the blog as well. I find his communication style blunt with harsh language, but not particularly brutal; but I would classify myself as being accountable for my choices when it comes to weight loss and fitness, so I'm willing to own up to not achieving particular goals due to personal choices in my diet and fitness routine and not just label him a "meanie" for pointing it out. That's not to say that I agree with every single point he makes or that it's my preferred communication style, but I would counter his statements with information or research, not attack him personally.

    So now that we've established that you don't like the way he says things, what do you think about his actual points?

    That's the thing about the Brutal Approach - most people don't try to look past the whining and nastiness to try to filter out whether they agree with some small part of your message. They're put off by the nastiness and the emotional outburst itself.

    There's no rule that your customer base has to be everybody on the planet. You can still create an effective product even with a niche approach

    Fair enough. There are, as has been evidenced in this thread, people who enjoy being spoken to in that way and they may line up to pay for it.

    If I implied that the man couldn't profit, I apologize. Wasn't my intention. That kind of stuff isn't how good coaches operate, though. And it does stem from the characteristics most of them have.

    I know...well, I knew, good coaches. Well respected, professional guys. I couldn't do it, but it know it when I see it. :). They don't go on diatribes and defend themselves by saying, "I'm being honest!" While they may laugh and joke and make fun of their charges, they do it in a safe place, with each other, where nobody gets hurt. They aren't mean and they aren't out to make themselves look good.

    Heh. I will agree there is always something to be said for professionalism :)
  • heartsstarspll
    heartsstarspll Posts: 47 Member
    Yea... this approach doesn't work for me. I consider bluntness another word for jerkface. I admit, I am extremely sensitive and have problems with severe depression. So making me feel even more like a piece of trash is not going to motivate me, it is going to make me want to hurt myself or just say screw it all.

    As far as I'm concerned, there is only one reason I'm still big. Because it takes more than 3 months to lose the weight, therefore, I can't help but look like this until the weight comes off. lol I mean seriously... don't you think if I could lose 100 pounds a month I would? Heck yeah!

    This type of bullying might work for some people, but I need a more gentle approach. Mainly, from within, I finally just realized if I want to lose weight I have to be patient and as long as I don't eat too many calories it will come off with time. And slowly, but surely, it is.
  • Sunny_Bunny_
    Sunny_Bunny_ Posts: 7,140 Member
    I didn't find anything about him arrogant. There is a sense of frustration in his writing but I would expect it's a similar frustration to what I feel when I tell my kids over and over again they have to do all of their homework all of the time and study for tests in order to get the best grades, only to have them say they don't know how they got a C and find out there are missing assignments...
    Come on, all of you parents know what I mean. Then they have 100 reasons why the missing work isn't their fault. Infuriating!
    That's the same behavior he's talking about here. He is simply stating that in his experience over the years specifically working with people who sought him out for help changing that he has heard the same stuff over and over again and recognizes it for what it is.
    There are 2 kinds of people in the world. Ones that can admit they are wrong and accept responsibility (which feels like crap) and those that can't.
  • davert123
    davert123 Posts: 1,568 Member
    I'm not sure what the fuss is. I'm a sensitive soul myself and I cry at a sad film. I don't post on here because of the nasty bullies but this was just factual (please someone post me a pussycat meme to take my mind off it all (really) :-( ) The bit I didn't agree with was the lost before you have begun if you plan the exit. I agree that you will lose if you keep planning the exit but people learn, usually though pain and wasted years that he is right. I wish I had understand this in my 20s instead of in my 40s. I wish the gentle approach I took hadn't lasted 20 years for me to realise the same conclusion as he just said in 5 minutes. I suppose there is a gentle approach to helping people realise they need to take personal responsibility and realise it isn't life making them eat crap and slob out but themselves and only themselves - they are totally the cause of their current predicament and all the internal crap in the world wont change this fact even if they pretend it isn't true to make themselves feel better. Realising that to succeed we need to change who we are and not what we eat (for a bit) is core, I don't think this was put offensively at all. I suppose people could be also told genitally that it took years for them to negatively affect their health and recovery isn't going to happen in 5 weeks and I suppose that there has got to be a gentle way to let people know having a *kitten* attitude will usually make weight loss/fitness efforts turn out crap until they change it and its going to hurt a bit and sometimes cause discomfort but it is worth it etc.. For me though everything he said is factually correct. I was expecting abuse and all as I personally read was the truth without sugar coating (also known as the truth). For me the point is that there is what we want to hear/think/believe and there is the truth. Moving what we think closer to the truth works better than trying to move (distort) the truth to what we think. This in itself was hard for me. To realise that what I was thinking was crap and what I was doing was the cause of my problems was hard. Once I realised that though I could move on and grow - with loads of people on here and after finding my legs here ,back in the real world too :-) If anyone wants support friend me and we can do it together btw. I hope I haven't come across brutal, I am not. I will always try and help anyone (and need help of others as well) :-
  • davert123
    davert123 Posts: 1,568 Member
    I didn't find anything about him arrogant. There is a sense of frustration in his writing but I would expect it's a similar frustration to what I feel when I tell my kids over and over again they have to do all of their homework all of the time and study for tests in order to get the best grades, only to have them say they don't know how they got a C and find out there are missing assignments...
    Come on, all of you parents know what I mean. Then they have 100 reasons why the missing work isn't their fault. Infuriating!
    That's the same behavior he's talking about here. He is simply stating that in his experience over the years specifically working with people who sought him out for help changing that he has heard the same stuff over and over again and recognizes it for what it is.
    There are 2 kinds of people in the world. Ones that can admit they are wrong and accept responsibility (which feels like crap) and those that can't.

    ^^^This

  • lemonsnowdrop
    lemonsnowdrop Posts: 1,298 Member
    I was following along and nodding at some points until he started railing on junk food. That's where I closed the tab and decided he wasn't as cool as I first thought.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,253 Member
    Hmmm, where is the offensive language? 5/6 right: Lack of planning =/= lack of commitment. Exit Clause = Article #1
  • ohmscheeks
    ohmscheeks Posts: 840 Member
    edited June 2015
    Well, I have the responsibility down. Now if I could just be willing to sacrifice... The look on that dude's face is something serious. I wouldn't argue with him, lol.
  • MelodyandBarbells
    MelodyandBarbells Posts: 7,724 Member
    What's Taylor Simon's height and weight?
  • bpetrosky
    bpetrosky Posts: 3,911 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Doing this for a long time myself, I just boil it down to a couple of reasons.

    1. Lack of commitment to a plan.
    2. Lack of consistency to the plan.

    The rest pretty much just fall into the 2. If people pretty much follow the 2 above, it should lead to progress and success.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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    Sounds like a good summary. I'd add one more: "Starting with the wrong plan for your goals"
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    JaneiR36 wrote: »
    What's Taylor Simon's height and weight?

    Dunno. But he sure ain't no single-digit beefcake...

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  • TrailBlazinMN
    TrailBlazinMN Posts: 209 Member
    edited June 2015
    Mr_Knight wrote: »
    Dunno. But he sure ain't no single-digit beefcake...

    Those who can, do; those who can't, teach. Just like there are numerous coaches out there that never played professional sports but were amazing coaches.
  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,151 Member
    eric_sg61 wrote: »
    Article was posted here before and caused tremendous butthurt. This is supposed to be a happy place that supports everyone devoid of critical thinking or scrutiny. We are all unique and special
    -Happy Rainbows and Unicorn Sparkles MFP Welcome Crew

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  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    Liftng4Lis wrote: »
    eric_sg61 wrote: »
    Article was posted here before and caused tremendous butthurt. This is supposed to be a happy place that supports everyone devoid of critical thinking or scrutiny. We are all unique and special
    -Happy Rainbows and Unicorn Sparkles MFP Welcome Crew

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    LOLOLOL!!

    Best gif yet!
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
    He's brutally honest, therefore he's right? Honestly, the people that smug about what works are probably more likely to be wrong - they've got the one true way, know it, why ever let new information change that.
    Point 1 is fine, the rest of his points sound like he's stuck in no pain, no gain self flagellation mode.
    Point 6 is actually the fallacy of relative privations. Using it tends to show having a pretty poor understanding about how internal cognition and feelings work, which doesn't speak well for how much he understand motivation to me.
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  • kellycasey5
    kellycasey5 Posts: 486 Member
    edited June 2015
    THAT gets you to the gym? :p

    Also....THAT gets you to the gym??

    Ramblings from the peanut gallery of rule 6 (I think it was 6 but I take issue with 2 as well)
    Being overweight or out of shape or whatever isn't necessarily failure. We can also have real issues (oooh let's pick medical disability and handicap because that is me and where my life is at) and still be successful. My medical issues and "REAL ISSUES" are no different than your issues. What that means is that I have things that limit me and you have things that limit you. You might not want to smudge your fresh pedicure and I might not be able to walk, but either way neither of us got off the couch. For those of us that can it means REDEFINING success. Good luck with choosing to smudge the pedicure...not likely to happen. I won't be hiking 10 miles up a mountain or running 5 miles a day or even doing my beloved pool jogging or yoga anymore. Heck, on a good day I make it out of bed and manage to SIT in my shower. That is a successful day. It has ZERO to do with you or your choice to go to the gym. I have gratitude that I still have $800/ month health insurance and access to doctors who really can't help me, and an appreciation that I have hot water every day and ac for when the heat makes me so dizzy I can't stand. I am happy my village isn't rioting or gang raping, seriously I am. But I have other issues that have consumed my life. I am also grateful I am not blind, and that while I am crippled with pain my legs still work. And, to be honest, if I felt well today I would be flying first class to a tropical beach and drinking myself silly. I would not rush off to the gym. And I probably will never set foot in a gym again, even if I could. I would rather be outside!!!

    But my situation, and the "real issues" that others face are no different from one another. They are things that hold us back. If thinking of people that are stuck with things they would rather not have motivates, then sure, use it. But I strive not to use my disability as an excuse and find it a bit insulting personally. It is disabling, yes. But those that can't be successful are also as disabled than me, if not more so. They ACTIVELY CHOOSE to be where they are. Full control and that is where they choose to be. That is truly sad. They have self selected failure. Who is more disabled?

    I feel more sorry for the person that would rather sit on the couch watching the Kardashians eating pizza and bon bons in their free time than those with physical conditions. I would rather be me with my disabilities that physically limit me. I know he isn't talking to me because I failed at rule 2 already. But the person that couldn't find the time has already truly failed according to him....they already have their own priorities and they are responsible for their failures. I did not fail because my goal has a time frame, sorry but I didn't. I know why and how I gained weight, and much of it was outside of my control. Other than eating less. And now I learned and am eating less.

    My life goals have always had a time frame in mind, every last one of them. And to date, I have been successful in all of my goals. I am halfway to my weight loss goal, perhaps 3 weeks behind but that is irrelevant, have gotten rid of my high cholesterol and hypertension, have gone from 192 pounds to 162 pounds, and have taken my blood pressure from 130/90 to 110/70.

    Just my musings....his intentions are there, but to me it is really just a rant about accountability. You are accountable or you aren't. And people that are accountable tend to be successful. People that are successful tend to continue being successful. He would best focus his energies on the folks that want to change and teaching them how :blush:


  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Yes, honesty is his problem, lol. It's not hating people he works with and whining about it online. It's honesty!

    Maybe he should go to medical school and become a cardiologist. Then he'd have a never-ending supply of people who made bad choices and suffered the consequences to yell at and he could do it in person. He could also get them when at their lowest, weak and in hospital beds. "You shouldn't have eaten all that crap! That's why you're going to DIE!!!" They might even cry.

    He could become a clergyman. Holy crap, how he'd find people regretting their bad decisions. He could then tell them all the things they did wrong...and again, they'd be coming for help when they're the most miserable.

    Lots of opportunities to inflict that honesty on people and kick them when they're down. There's good coaching for you.

    But instead he finds himself in the unfortunate position of Fitness Coach, dealing with people who are...goodness, not fit!...and have the opportunity to blow him off much easier.

    Oh, that honesty. It's such a burden.


    Bu the thing is, he is not a priest, he is not a family doctor, he is not a suicide hotline counselor, he is a random guy with a blog. As he states in the disclaimer, if he was writing for a scientific journal or magazine, he would use a different approach.

    It's a blog post, not doctrine. *shrugs*

    If he wants to dump on people when they're down, which he obviously does, there are better jobs for it.

    I think he covered that in his sixth point where he talks about attitude and discusses how there are people with real issues such as homelessness, joblessness, cancer, diabetes, life-altering injuries, starvation, gang rape, kidnapping, and other very real obstacles in the world. He isn't talking to those people.

    He's talking to the people who "couldn't get to the gym" but manage to keep up with the happenings of the Kardashians. Who "can't find time to go grocery shopping" and end up eating fast food or large restaurant portions every night, but find time to log their every waking thought on Facebook. He's talking to the people who have vast resources at their disposal in terms of gyms, money, health care, grocery stores with wide selections, and education, and who still choose to not make their health or weight loss a priority.

    In short, he's talking to the ones who want to pretend to be a victim of their circumstances, rather than acknowledging that they have all the tools, they just choose not to use them.

    Good post, @kgeyser
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