VLDC and advice on how to go back to a 2700 calorie diet
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shawnmstout wrote: »boy that seems high, my bmr is 3531. i thought it was 10x your weight?
The 10x body weight is a rough approximation for minimum calorie requirements when dieting down and is supposedly meant to correlate to around BMR. However, it isn't normally applicable to people who's weight is on the higher end like yours. Given your higher starting weight your body can also handle more aggressive deficits than leaner folks.
I would say you would be fine with something like 2200 - 2,500 calories (which takes into account moderate exercise so no need to eat them back) for the time being or you could go with the MFP recommendation which includes a bit more faffing around as you would need to add back your exercise calories.
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »shawnmstout wrote: »i ate 1518 calories so far today and i feel so full right now, holy crap
Now i am going to say some very unpopular or to same rude and mean
But how did you become overweight...what did you eat?
How can you now be full on 1500 you had to eat a lot more as a man than 1500 to become overweight.
and dont get me wrong i am not attacking you at all. I was overweight too ( still am but i lost 96 pounds) because i ate much more than i burned.
If he's been on VLCD for four days or more, the mind down regulates appetite, similar to how you have smell habituation that kicks in when you're in a smelly environment.0 -
i cant believe that. But thats my humble opinion cant prove it is true or not.
Still the fact remains that he dont need to eat that low as he does.0 -
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i didn't say i didn't believe him. i was talking to senecarr
You dont have to be snarky
And if you read the whole thread than you would have read that i gave him a lot of advice and encouraged him in both threads he made.0 -
Running your numbers through Scooby's, IIFYM, and MFP, it looks like you have your pick of anywhere from 1900 to 2200 Cal a day as your eating target depending on how large of a deficit you want to create.
If you continue being sedentary after you lose weight, at a "normal bmi" target weight of 175lbs your maintenance would be approximately 2,000 Cal a day. If you end up being active for more than 35 minutes a day, your available calories would increase--depending on your activity level, a lot!
So, a good approximation would be to eat around 2,000 Cal a day, leaving you with some margin for error either way.
Or just do it the MFP way: eat the 1900, plus 50% of any exercise calories. Re-evaluate the % of exercise calories you are eating back based on a periodic (monthly?) weight loss review.
Your wife will just have to come on board and actually weight the items she uses when she cooks; or you will have to take over the cooking yourself
Don't become too obsessed with macros, but, yes, do try and aim for a "good" mix.
100g to 150g protein (400 Cal to 600 Cal)
70g of fat (630 Cal) (keeping saturated to 24g or less)
190g or so of carbs (760 Cal or so)
If you want to play with your fat vs carbs for satiety... go right ahead. You should probably try to avoid eating less than 60g of fat.
Other than that... try to log accurately and double check even verified database entries for yourself. Thinking you're eating 2000 Cal and discovering you're eating 3000 (or 1500) because of measurement inaccuracies is NOT a good feeling!0 -
Never mind! I see that everything has already been addressed! Go with the MFP recommendation.
Build up to where you should be over the next two or three days.
Be aware of the need to count correctly and by weight.
How many grams of canadian bacon were your 6 slices?
Were your eggs 50g or 55g
(I admit that I do not count my egg grams!)0 -
TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »i cant believe that. But thats my humble opinion cant prove it is true or not.
Still the fact remains that he dont need to eat that low as he does.
Again, no need to believe, it is how it works: http://clinicalnutrition.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=320 -
I really dont think that Op qualifies for this.
this link you gave is for people people eating under 800 calories a day and very structured and guided by a medical team Also they all got described RFO ( a nutritional high quality protein)
OP just started and starts to eating very low in calories.
People dont suddenly after 3 days dont get hungry anymore...less hungry maybe yes ( more getting used to it maybe) And like the program says so they have less appetite
the program doesn't say that they feel full and cant eat no more. And this is what OP stated he is "full"
There is a huge difference between having less appetite like the program says or not being able to eat more because you are full.
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »i cant believe that. But thats my humble opinion cant prove it is true or not.
Still the fact remains that he dont need to eat that low as he does.
Again, no need to believe, it is how it works: http://clinicalnutrition.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=32
Yeah, honestly, i thought the headaches were caused from the increase of protein. I didn't realize i was doing this at all. Another words, it wasn't a planned thing, it just happened. I did have 1 day the week before last where i was so weak i couldn't get out of bed and called in sick. I was completely drained and thought it was a 24hr bug or something.0 -
peterjones37 wrote: »no u dont
No I don't what? Sorry I said a lot so i am not sure what you are disagreeing with me on.0 -
shawnmstout wrote: »peterjones37 wrote: »no u dont
No I don't what? Sorry I said a lot so i am not sure what you are disagreeing with me on.
Don't worry, just a troll.
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wow that was a short stay, peterjones37 just disabled his account.0
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ok i am outta here now that peterjones guy is back
OP wish you luck i am sure you will find the right way to do this.
Just dont want to go in a endless discussion ( not with you btw
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you had a lot of good advice and saw what you were doing so i am sure with a good dose of determination that you will succeed0 -
shawnmstout wrote: »peterjones37 wrote: »no u dont
No I don't what? Sorry I said a lot so i am not sure what you are disagreeing with me on.
Don't worry, just a troll.
does that happen a lot? I never seen that before. someone reply then disable thier account.0 -
shawnmstout wrote: »wow that was a short stay, peterjones37 just disabled his account.
Unfortunately, he'll be back with another account.0 -
TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »ok i am outta here now that jones guy is back
OP wish you luck i am sure you will find the right way to do this.
Just dont want to go in a endless discussion ( not with you btw )
you had a lot of good advice and saw what you were doing so i am sure with a good dose of determination that you will succeed
Thanks for your input, i appreciate it, as far as the jones guy, i am not sure who you are referring to.0 -
shawnmstout wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »ok i am outta here now that jones guy is back
OP wish you luck i am sure you will find the right way to do this.
Just dont want to go in a endless discussion ( not with you btw )
you had a lot of good advice and saw what you were doing so i am sure with a good dose of determination that you will succeed
Thanks for your input, i appreciate it, as far as the jones guy, i am not sure who you are referring to.
He got banned and has found a way to troll.0 -
I just found out my offical BMR by the doctor you can actually get one done in the fitness center/nutritional center at your hospital. It has you use a breathing treatment, and shockingly the website put my BMR at 1961, and my actual BMR is low its 1920, so for a website that is not too bad almost on par, an average person burns 2200-2700 calories, doing nothing, so I'm working with the love of food and bad genes.0
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i got a hyperthyroid, just found out last month. My thyroid was a .008. I have to go see an endocrinologist in august to see what they are going to do. I am hoping the thyroid pills don't cause me to gain weight.0
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Are you saying medical supervision changes the body's adaptation to VLCD?TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »I really dont think that Op qualifies for this.
this link you gave is for people people eating under 800 calories a day and very structured and guided by a medical team Also they all got described RFO ( a nutritional high quality protein)
OP just started and starts to eating very low in calories.
People dont suddenly after 3 days dont get hungry anymore...less hungry maybe yes ( more getting used to it maybe) And like the program says so they have less appetite
the program doesn't say that they feel full and cant eat no more. And this is what OP stated he is "full"
There is a huge difference between having less appetite like the program says or not being able to eat more because you are full.
My link was to show habituation on VLCD, not to say it should be done without medical supervision.
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I first wish to say I am sorry. In the other thread I had just assumed you were going to be another person that just comes onto the forum and then doesn't listen once they hear how what they are doing was wrong. I am glad that I was wrong and that you are trying.
Now as for the being too full. After I spent a month starving myself before I felt the exact same way. At a certain point 2 eggs and about 6 small sausage links was all my body could eat before I was just full for the day. The one thing that helped me was peanut butter. It is full of calories so when I was was trying to get back to normal peanutbutter helped greatly.
Might I also truly suggest beginning to workout. Being your size (and mine we are close in weight) there is one nice thing about being heavy, everyday you are working out when you move. Think of it like in those old kung fu flicks where people would wear weighted vest to train in to get stronger. That is you right now, you have muscles (especially in the legs) that smaller people have to work to obtain. If you begin working out as you lose weight you can maintain some of the muscle you have already created. Also holding onto the muscle increases your daily burn so that is nice too ^_^
Good luck we are all pulling for you0 -
I first wish to say I am sorry. In the other thread I had just assumed you were going to be another person that just comes onto the forum and then doesn't listen once they hear how what they are doing was wrong. I am glad that I was wrong and that you are trying.
Now as for the being too full. After I spent a month starving myself before I felt the exact same way. At a certain point 2 eggs and about 6 small sausage links was all my body could eat before I was just full for the day. The one thing that helped me was peanut butter. It is full of calories so when I was was trying to get back to normal peanutbutter helped greatly.
Might I also truly suggest beginning to workout. Being your size (and mine we are close in weight) there is one nice thing about being heavy, everyday you are working out when you move. Think of it like in those old kung fu flicks where people would wear weighted vest to train in to get stronger. That is you right now, you have muscles (especially in the legs) that smaller people have to work to obtain. If you begin working out as you lose weight you can maintain some of the muscle you have already created. Also holding onto the muscle increases your daily burn so that is nice too ^_^
Good luck we are all pulling for you
Thanks for your advice and not judging me from my posts. I have been spreading my meals out and i am up to 1576 calories for today. It took some effort. I am sure it won't take me long to get back to eating right but i was afraid to rush it because my body would start gaining the weight back as so many people see when they go off of such a diet. I do walk when weather and ability allows. I just don't do it regular enough to call it an active lifestyle yet. I usually will do about 3-5 miles on my walks because there is a very nice walking trail about 1/2 mile from my house. 1/2 mile there 2 miles up + 2 miles back + 1/2 mile home is 5 miles, sometimes i do less dependent on time and how i feel.
You are correct about the weights, its really hard to exercise at this weight. I use an xbox fitness as well, which i really like because it will sync with microsoft fitness, which syncs with myfitnesspal I really like those exercises however again, due to my weight it is very hard to do so that is usually a once to twice a month thing. I also bought only games that worked with the kinect and was fitness related. I am not to that point just yet but i plan on the exercise being a large part of my life in the long run.
I am figuring once i get down to around 280 i should be good to practice a regular routine.0 -
shawnmstout wrote: »I first wish to say I am sorry. In the other thread I had just assumed you were going to be another person that just comes onto the forum and then doesn't listen once they hear how what they are doing was wrong. I am glad that I was wrong and that you are trying.
Now as for the being too full. After I spent a month starving myself before I felt the exact same way. At a certain point 2 eggs and about 6 small sausage links was all my body could eat before I was just full for the day. The one thing that helped me was peanut butter. It is full of calories so when I was was trying to get back to normal peanutbutter helped greatly.
Might I also truly suggest beginning to workout. Being your size (and mine we are close in weight) there is one nice thing about being heavy, everyday you are working out when you move. Think of it like in those old kung fu flicks where people would wear weighted vest to train in to get stronger. That is you right now, you have muscles (especially in the legs) that smaller people have to work to obtain. If you begin working out as you lose weight you can maintain some of the muscle you have already created. Also holding onto the muscle increases your daily burn so that is nice too ^_^
Good luck we are all pulling for you
Thanks for your advice and not judging me from my posts. I have been spreading my meals out and i am up to 1576 calories for today. It took some effort. I am sure it won't take me long to get back to eating right but i was afraid to rush it because my body would start gaining the weight back as so many people see when they go off of such a diet. I do walk when weather and ability allows. I just don't do it regular enough to call it an active lifestyle yet. I usually will do about 3-5 miles on my walks because there is a very nice walking trail about 1/2 mile from my house. 1/2 mile there 2 miles up + 2 miles back + 1/2 mile home is 5 miles, sometimes i do less dependent on time and how i feel.
You are correct about the weights, its really hard to exercise at this weight. I use an xbox fitness as well, which i really like because it will sync with microsoft fitness, which syncs with myfitnesspal I really like those exercises however again, due to my weight it is very hard to do so that is usually a once to twice a month thing. I also bought only games that worked with the kinect and was fitness related. I am not to that point just yet but i plan on the exercise being a large part of my life in the long run.
I am figuring once i get down to around 280 i should be good to practice a regular routine.
Good job on the 1576! Progress.
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shawnmstout wrote: »i got a hyperthyroid, just found out last month. My thyroid was a .008. I have to go see an endocrinologist in august to see what they are going to do. I am hoping the thyroid pills don't cause me to gain weight.
Woah...you have a thyroid problem ....that may well complicate things until it is correctly medicated as it will affect the calories out side of the equation.
Thyroid medication, may take a while to find right treatment, but once adequately medicated will make weight loss much much easier0 -
Are you saying medical supervision changes the body's adaptation to VLCD?TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »I really dont think that Op qualifies for this.
this link you gave is for people people eating under 800 calories a day and very structured and guided by a medical team Also they all got described RFO ( a nutritional high quality protein)
OP just started and starts to eating very low in calories.
People dont suddenly after 3 days dont get hungry anymore...less hungry maybe yes ( more getting used to it maybe) And like the program says so they have less appetite
the program doesn't say that they feel full and cant eat no more. And this is what OP stated he is "full"
There is a huge difference between having less appetite like the program says or not being able to eat more because you are full.
My link was to show habituation on VLCD, not to say it should be done without medical supervision.
Habituation occurs at any level of caloric intake. Not just VLCD.
Just eat some stuff that's more energy dense. Boom.0 -
If you increase by 200 cal per day each week, you won't hardly notice it.0
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shawnmstout wrote: »i got a hyperthyroid, just found out last month. My thyroid was a .008. I have to go see an endocrinologist in august to see what they are going to do. I am hoping the thyroid pills don't cause me to gain weight.
Woah...you have a thyroid problem ....that may well complicate things until it is correctly medicated as it will affect the calories out side of the equation.
Thyroid medication, may take a while to find right treatment, but once adequately medicated will make weight loss much much easier
It probably won't make it easier, he's saying he is hyper, not hypo. Typical treatment for hyper is either medication or to kill off part of the thyroid with iodine, and since this is hit and miss on thyroid levels after, possible treatment for hypo if they kill off too much. (My mother had this, I went straight to hypo).0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »shawnmstout wrote: »i got a hyperthyroid, just found out last month. My thyroid was a .008. I have to go see an endocrinologist in august to see what they are going to do. I am hoping the thyroid pills don't cause me to gain weight.
Woah...you have a thyroid problem ....that may well complicate things until it is correctly medicated as it will affect the calories out side of the equation.
Thyroid medication, may take a while to find right treatment, but once adequately medicated will make weight loss much much easier
It probably won't make it easier, he's saying he is hyper, not hypo. Typical treatment for hyper is either medication or to kill off part of the thyroid with iodine, and since this is hit and miss on thyroid levels after, possible treatment for hypo if they kill off too much. (My mother had this, I went straight to hypo).
I am sorry to hear that. I have heard some negative things when they start messing with your thyroid because it directly impacts your weight loss. I am wondering if i leave it untreated until i lose my weight if that would be a better option. Like you said it is easy to go from hyper to hypo and hypo just plain sucks.0 -
shawnmstout wrote: »i got a hyperthyroid, just found out last month. My thyroid was a .008. I have to go see an endocrinologist in august to see what they are going to do. I am hoping the thyroid pills don't cause me to gain weight.
Woah...you have a thyroid problem ....that may well complicate things until it is correctly medicated as it will affect the calories out side of the equation.
Thyroid medication, may take a while to find right treatment, but once adequately medicated will make weight loss much much easier
Hyper makes it easier to lose weight but my problem is that your body tries to counterbalance by having some crazy cravings which are very hard to control. Weight gain usually does not occur with hyper but in some cases like mine it does. It took some googling to find people with weight gain and hyper as its not as common.0
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