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sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
Why I hate Hump day…or we could just call it why don't I let myself be objectified Wednesday. So many pictures put up by women who allow a litany of sexist comments be posted. Allow? Welcome? Goes the same with men who post scantily clad pictures THEY are allowing the objectification.
I think Jackie has a valid point
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Sad to say but yes. To many times to count. Before I was married there was several times I dated a guy who left me for someone thinner. Once a guy told me how much he liked me but I had to lose weight for him to go out with me. Funny thing is the woman he married isn't thin. If a man makes you feel bad about your body he isn't a person you should be around. No one is perfect.0
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yopeeps025 wrote: »asianfashionista86 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »asianfashionista86 wrote: »
I didn't even know what dyel was lol but it makes sense and that's kinda an inside joke between people that are workout fanaticHawleyGriffin wrote: »
Funny, I don't think anyone here claimed men are devoid of societal expectations of appearance. Make your own think of the menz thread if you're so worried about it.HawleyGriffin wrote: »The fat guy with the hot woman. He must have money.
And are you familiar with DYEL. Nope, no expectations of what a man should look like!
OP your intent might not have been to cause a mean thread, but that is exactly what you cause when you use generalizations.
Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity.
Is that so senecarr?
HawleyGriffin wrote: »
Funny, I don't think anyone here claimed men are devoid of societal expectations of appearance. Make your own think of the menz thread if you're so worried about it.HawleyGriffin wrote: »The fat guy with the hot woman. He must have money.
And are you familiar with DYEL. Nope, no expectations of what a man should look like!
OP your intent might not have been to cause a mean thread, but that is exactly what you cause when you use generalizations.
Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity.
Is that so senecarr?
I don't think I've ever asked a guy that. Because personally I don't care
Or because you don't have to ask because you can tell. Some women are interested in what men can lift and how much.
I think if you wanna lift how much you want that's fine by me lol
I was speaking from experience. Women don't ask me if I lift. The ones who speak out know I lift. It was the traps that gave it away.
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HawleyGriffin wrote: »senecarr, you keep twisting your replies to imply that I am making the generalizations. Let me quote you "Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity."
Nowhere in this thread will you find a statement from me stating that men have it worse than women when it comes to expectations of desirable body image. My objection was to the generalization about men, and multiple women have confirmed my point.
Me showing you that YOU are wrong about YOUR generalizations, does not translate to me making differing generalizations.
You posted images of people paid to wear a DYEL shirt to disprove my statement. My statement was "men tend" not only men. So your image that there are some women wearing a DYEL shirt is pointless.
The fact that women are pointing out men body shaming them and your first reaction is #notallmen is just adding to the point of how there is a system that is utterly concerned about men being able to tell women what to do.0 -
I've had very hurtful comments said to me by many people throughout the course of my life, over many different issues.
God has helped me get over it. I can remember what was said, but it no longer hurts.
I realize that the people who said those things had their own issues and insecurities. Haters hate, doers do. And some people just don't have filters.
You have a choice. Let the comments bring you down, let the comments motivate you, or dismiss the comments and carry on, knowing that you will be criticized no matter what you do, so do your best. The armchair quarterback is never criticized for bad plays, but the one on the field, sweating, is the one that will be criticized and the one that will be excellent, regardless.
I don't rehash what was said, because I don't desire to relive the episode.Maggie71286 wrote: »Nobody that I have ever been in a relationship or friendship with has ever made me feel bad about my weight. HOWEVER, when I was in high school, I had a very cute boyfriend (I was also 10-15 pounds overweight). I would often hear about people asking how he could be with me (as I was too fat for him.) Once, when we were walking home, a group of boys in a pickup truck stopped next to us and just started screaming about how I was gross and fat and how he was sick for being with me. We tried to ignore them, but they drove slowly next to us for several minutes just screaming vulgar, cruel things at us. Even though my boyfriend stood up for me, it was really hurtful and embarrassing. I am almost thirty now and my heart still starts racing when I think about it. In fact, to this day, I get nervous if I am walking down the street and someone in a care slows down next to me. I also always wear headphones when I walk so that I can't hear any mean comments. I am no longer overweight, but these instances have ensured that I will never be comfortable in my own skin, I will always doubt the sincerity of compliments, and I will always care way too much about my appearance. Words can really hurt.
It took time, but Jesus healed my wounds. I'm sure he can heal yours, if you are willing.
Psalm 139:14
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
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sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.0 -
If life was all about "accept your body for what it is" and "love yourself no matter what others say", this site/app
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Jackie0Marie wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.
Which all goes back to a personal sense of worth. Which God gives.
The media does not want you to have intrinsic worth, because then you wouldn't be motivated to buy their stuff. They try to make you feel worthless so that you can get your feelings of worth extrinsically - buy this, be happy, buy this, be socially acceptable.
Instead of ragging on each other about the issue, why not consider the SOLUTION to it?
Unless what you really want to do is argue?
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CJisinShape wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.
Which all goes back to a personal sense of worth. Which God gives.
The media does not want you to have intrinsic worth, because then you wouldn't be motivated to buy their stuff. They try to make you feel worthless so that you can get your feelings of worth extrinsically - buy this, be happy, buy this, be socially acceptable.
Instead of ragging on each other about the issue, why not consider the SOLUTION to it?
Unless what you really want to do is argue?
Irony
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CJisinShape wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.
Which all goes back to a personal sense of worth. Which God gives.
The media does not want you to have intrinsic worth, because then you wouldn't be motivated to buy their stuff. They try to make you feel worthless so that you can get your feelings of worth extrinsically - buy this, be happy, buy this, be socially acceptable.
Instead of ragging on each other about the issue, why not consider the SOLUTION to it?
Unless what you really want to do is argue?
Back to a part in my first comment on this thread:Jackie0Marie wrote: »I could care less if a guy or girl has anything bad to say about me/my body because I'm short, I'm dark, I wear glasses, I'm pretty un-lady-like (whatever that is), I rarely wear makeup, I don't wear heels, I'm fluffy, for hairy arms - on a scale of 1 to Robin Williams - I'm a Robin Williams, oh, and I'm f**king awesome.
I think I got the self worth part covered. I don't have much to say besides what I already did.
People need understanding when they want to fight a good fight. Remember fighting for one cause doesn't mean beating down another. There's a solution in there somewhere.
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.
Which all goes back to a personal sense of worth. Which God gives.
The media does not want you to have intrinsic worth, because then you wouldn't be motivated to buy their stuff. They try to make you feel worthless so that you can get your feelings of worth extrinsically - buy this, be happy, buy this, be socially acceptable.
Instead of ragging on each other about the issue, why not consider the SOLUTION to it?
Unless what you really want to do is argue?
Irony
Not really sure of your point there, if you are saying I like to argue, or if you think I'm a dinosaur, but honestly, don't care. I've been able to get over things I struggled with for many years - I found something that works, and am not ashamed to share it. The gospel has a powerful effect in people's lives.
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HawleyGriffin wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »senecarr, you keep twisting your replies to imply that I am making the generalizations. Let me quote you "Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity."
Nowhere in this thread will you find a statement from me stating that men have it worse than women when it comes to expectations of desirable body image. My objection was to the generalization about men, and multiple women have confirmed my point.
Me showing you that YOU are wrong about YOUR generalizations, does not translate to me making differing generalizations.
You posted images of people paid to wear a DYEL shirt to disprove my statement. My statement was "men tend" not only men. So your image that there are some women wearing a DYEL shirt is pointless.
The fact that women are pointing out men body shaming them and your first reaction is #notallmen is just adding to the point of how there is a system that is utterly concerned about men being able to tell women what to do.
Ok then, "dude do you even gym?" Because if you DID, you would SEE the women wearing these shirts!!!
And again, you are mistating my comments. My response wasn't #notallmen. My response was that both men and women are guilty of body shaming. There is a difference.
And you what is funny, when I saw your original comment I posted on my profile about a White Knight entering the thread. I couldn't help but laugh when I got a FR from a guy that basically said the same thing about you in his FR message.
I have been going to the gym ever since high school. Very close to a decade. I haven't really seeing ladies wear that shirt. Maybes it's a geographic location thing. I have also been to gyms in other states on the east coast though. Still haven't seeing ladies where DYEL.
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Which all goes back to a personal sense of worth. Which God gives.
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Actually women have said things to make me feel bad about myself FARRR more than men.0
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tat2cookie wrote: »Holy crap!!!! Where to start!
You would be really pretty if your nose wasn't so big.
You know, if you just lost weight you could be a lot prettier.
Small tits and a big *kitten*, bet you are pissed that God got that one backwards.
Don't talk to me. Fat chicks gross me out.
Well you have an....... interesting face.
All things said to my face, I never understood why people think that it's ok to say whatever they want and expect me to to get upset. For the most part I could give 2 *kitten* what people think of me, but there is just something about someone call you ugly to your face that kind of puts a damper in your day.
Jessssssus. I am not sure I can read more after this one. I don't understand why people say hurtful things.0 -
CJisinShape wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.
Which all goes back to a personal sense of worth. Which God gives.
The media does not want you to have intrinsic worth, because then you wouldn't be motivated to buy their stuff. They try to make you feel worthless so that you can get your feelings of worth extrinsically - buy this, be happy, buy this, be socially acceptable.
Instead of ragging on each other about the issue, why not consider the SOLUTION to it?
Unless what you really want to do is argue?
Irony
Not really sure of your point there, if you are saying I like to argue, or if you think I'm a dinosaur, but honestly, don't care. I've been able to get over things I struggled with for many years - I found something that works, and am not ashamed to share it. The gospel has a powerful effect in people's lives.
My point is that you ask if all somebody wants to do is argue after posting a person's sense of worth comes from, what I'm assuming you're referring to is, the Christian God. Religion is easily the most argumentative topic known to man.
And to explain the gif, T-Rex is playing a game that destroyed his existence. I don't know if the irony is that a dinosaur is playing an asteroid game, or that his arms can reach the controls but there's some irony there.0 -
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HawleyGriffin wrote: »yopeeps, I see them at my gym. Definitely more likely to see a guy wear that shirt, but they wouldn't be selling them for women if there wasn't a market for them.
Surprisingly the stronger men dress more modest than the weaker ones at my immediate gym I frequent.0 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.
Which all goes back to a personal sense of worth. Which God gives.
The media does not want you to have intrinsic worth, because then you wouldn't be motivated to buy their stuff. They try to make you feel worthless so that you can get your feelings of worth extrinsically - buy this, be happy, buy this, be socially acceptable.
Instead of ragging on each other about the issue, why not consider the SOLUTION to it?
Unless what you really want to do is argue?
Irony
Not really sure of your point there, if you are saying I like to argue, or if you think I'm a dinosaur, but honestly, don't care. I've been able to get over things I struggled with for many years - I found something that works, and am not ashamed to share it. The gospel has a powerful effect in people's lives.
My point is that you ask if all somebody wants to do is argue after posting a person's sense of worth comes from, what I'm assuming you're referring to is, the Christian God. Religion is easily the most argumentative topic known to man.
And to explain the gif, T-Rex is playing a game that destroyed his existence. I don't know if the irony is that a dinosaur is playing an asteroid game, or that his arms can reach the controls but there's some irony there.
Now you giving her a history lesson?
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yopeeps025 wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.
Which all goes back to a personal sense of worth. Which God gives.
The media does not want you to have intrinsic worth, because then you wouldn't be motivated to buy their stuff. They try to make you feel worthless so that you can get your feelings of worth extrinsically - buy this, be happy, buy this, be socially acceptable.
Instead of ragging on each other about the issue, why not consider the SOLUTION to it?
Unless what you really want to do is argue?
Irony
Not really sure of your point there, if you are saying I like to argue, or if you think I'm a dinosaur, but honestly, don't care. I've been able to get over things I struggled with for many years - I found something that works, and am not ashamed to share it. The gospel has a powerful effect in people's lives.
My point is that you ask if all somebody wants to do is argue after posting a person's sense of worth comes from, what I'm assuming you're referring to is, the Christian God. Religion is easily the most argumentative topic known to man.
And to explain the gif, T-Rex is playing a game that destroyed his existence. I don't know if the irony is that a dinosaur is playing an asteroid game, or that his arms can reach the controls but there's some irony there.
Now you giving her a history lesson?
WHY CAN'T IT BE HERSTORY!!?!?! Oh, the humanity!?
Just kidding.
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asflatasapancake wrote: »I would post a gif of a women being pelted with raw hot dogs right now, but the MFP gods slapped me with a warning 2 because of it. But just imagine it for now.
I don't know which one you got in trouble for, but I'd use this one from now on so that you don't get a warning:
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Jackie0Marie wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.
Which all goes back to a personal sense of worth. Which God gives.
The media does not want you to have intrinsic worth, because then you wouldn't be motivated to buy their stuff. They try to make you feel worthless so that you can get your feelings of worth extrinsically - buy this, be happy, buy this, be socially acceptable.
Instead of ragging on each other about the issue, why not consider the SOLUTION to it?
Unless what you really want to do is argue?
Irony
Not really sure of your point there, if you are saying I like to argue, or if you think I'm a dinosaur, but honestly, don't care. I've been able to get over things I struggled with for many years - I found something that works, and am not ashamed to share it. The gospel has a powerful effect in people's lives.
My point is that you ask if all somebody wants to do is argue after posting a person's sense of worth comes from, what I'm assuming you're referring to is, the Christian God. Religion is easily the most argumentative topic known to man.
And to explain the gif, T-Rex is playing a game that destroyed his existence. I don't know if the irony is that a dinosaur is playing an asteroid game, or that his arms can reach the controls but there's some irony there.
Now you giving her a history lesson?
WHY CAN'T IT BE HERSTORY!!?!?! Oh, the humanity!?
Just kidding.
Well was it not the men making the majority of the mistakes back then?
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »I would post a gif of a women being pelted with raw hot dogs right now, but the MFP gods slapped me with a warning 2 because of it. But just imagine it for now.
I don't know which one you got in trouble for, but I'd use this one from now on so that you don't get a warning:
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Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »I would post a gif of a women being pelted with raw hot dogs right now, but the MFP gods slapped me with a warning 2 because of it. But just imagine it for now.
I don't know which one you got in trouble for, but I'd use this one from now on so that you don't get a warning:
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yopeeps025 wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »CJisinShape wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.
Which all goes back to a personal sense of worth. Which God gives.
The media does not want you to have intrinsic worth, because then you wouldn't be motivated to buy their stuff. They try to make you feel worthless so that you can get your feelings of worth extrinsically - buy this, be happy, buy this, be socially acceptable.
Instead of ragging on each other about the issue, why not consider the SOLUTION to it?
Unless what you really want to do is argue?
Irony
Not really sure of your point there, if you are saying I like to argue, or if you think I'm a dinosaur, but honestly, don't care. I've been able to get over things I struggled with for many years - I found something that works, and am not ashamed to share it. The gospel has a powerful effect in people's lives.
My point is that you ask if all somebody wants to do is argue after posting a person's sense of worth comes from, what I'm assuming you're referring to is, the Christian God. Religion is easily the most argumentative topic known to man.
And to explain the gif, T-Rex is playing a game that destroyed his existence. I don't know if the irony is that a dinosaur is playing an asteroid game, or that his arms can reach the controls but there's some irony there.
Now you giving her a history lesson?
WHY CAN'T IT BE HERSTORY!!?!?! Oh, the humanity!?
Just kidding.
Well was it not the men making the majority of the mistakes back then?
Haha!
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »I would post a gif of a women being pelted with raw hot dogs right now, but the MFP gods slapped me with a warning 2 because of it. But just imagine it for now.
I don't know which one you got in trouble for, but I'd use this one from now on so that you don't get a warning:
ps. I really hate these hotdog gifs. lol smh0
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