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Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »I would post a gif of a women being pelted with raw hot dogs right now, but the MFP gods slapped me with a warning 2 because of it. But just imagine it for now.
I don't know which one you got in trouble for, but I'd use this one from now on so that you don't get a warning:
ps. I really hate these hotdog gifs. lol smh
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »I would post a gif of a women being pelted with raw hot dogs right now, but the MFP gods slapped me with a warning 2 because of it. But just imagine it for now.
I don't know which one you got in trouble for, but I'd use this one from now on so that you don't get a warning:
ps. I really hate these hotdog gifs. lol smh
*sigh* I even used my words today! Now it's all invalid because hot dogs. lmfao
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Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »I would post a gif of a women being pelted with raw hot dogs right now, but the MFP gods slapped me with a warning 2 because of it. But just imagine it for now.
I don't know which one you got in trouble for, but I'd use this one from now on so that you don't get a warning:
ps. I really hate these hotdog gifs. lol smh
*sigh* I even used my words today! Now it's all invalid because hot dogs. lmfao
Lonely Island music is pretty funny.
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Hahahaha!!! Now I have that hot dog song in my head!yopeeps025 wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »I would post a gif of a women being pelted with raw hot dogs right now, but the MFP gods slapped me with a warning 2 because of it. But just imagine it for now.
I don't know which one you got in trouble for, but I'd use this one from now on so that you don't get a warning:
ps. I really hate these hotdog gifs. lol smh
*sigh* I even used my words today! Now it's all invalid because hot dogs. lmfao
Lonely Island music is pretty funny.
Lonely Island is legit one of my fav music groups. They are hilarious, but their tunes are awesome!0 -
this thread is terrible
you should all feel terrible0 -
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salembambi wrote: »this thread is terrible
you should all feel terrible
It was fixing to go one of two ways. Appreciate the wiener...0 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »salembambi wrote: »this thread is terrible
you should all feel terrible
It was fixing to go one of two ways. Appreciate the wiener...
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »salembambi wrote: »this thread is terrible
you should all feel terrible
It was fixing to go one of two ways. Appreciate the wiener...
Fixing to...in type...damn man...0 -
Jackie0Marie wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »salembambi wrote: »this thread is terrible
you should all feel terrible
It was fixing to go one of two ways. Appreciate the wiener...
While we are the subject of Arrow, check out their marketing:
Appreciate these body standards...
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Alisontheice wrote: »
Do you work for burning man with that level of straw men? Do you seriously believe women, more often than men, ask if a man lifts, and try to make men feel bad about how much or how little they lift?HawleyGriffin wrote: »
Funny, I don't think anyone here claimed men are devoid of societal expectations of appearance. Make your own think of the menz thread if you're so worried about it.HawleyGriffin wrote: »The fat guy with the hot woman. He must have money.
And are you familiar with DYEL. Nope, no expectations of what a man should look like!
OP your intent might not have been to cause a mean thread, but that is exactly what you cause when you use generalizations.
Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity.
Is that so senecarr?
<image of women wearing DYEL>
Here:
I've seen many posts from women commenting how they squatted more than the guy in the squat rack beside them and implying this in some way makes them superior. Commenting how some man reached for the "lady weights".HawleyGriffin wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »senecarr, you keep twisting your replies to imply that I am making the generalizations. Let me quote you "Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity."
Nowhere in this thread will you find a statement from me stating that men have it worse than women when it comes to expectations of desirable body image. My objection was to the generalization about men, and multiple women have confirmed my point.
Me showing you that YOU are wrong about YOUR generalizations, does not translate to me making differing generalizations.
You posted images of people paid to wear a DYEL shirt to disprove my statement. My statement was "men tend" not only men. So your image that there are some women wearing a DYEL shirt is pointless.
The fact that women are pointing out men body shaming them and your first reaction is #notallmen is just adding to the point of how there is a system that is utterly concerned about men being able to tell women what to do.
Ok then, "dude do you even gym?" Because if you DID, you would SEE the women wearing these shirts!!!
And again, you are mistating my comments. My response wasn't #notallmen. My response was that both men and women are guilty of body shaming. There is a difference.
And you what is funny, when I saw your original comment I posted on my profile about a White Knight entering the thread. I couldn't help but laugh when I got a FR from a guy that basically said the same thing about you in his FR message.
You're still not following. What do you think the word "tends" means? Let me ask you blankly, are you claiming it is mostly women DYELing men? Because showing SINGLE instances of it, isn't evidence for that. Most DYEL comes from men.
Your original commentary you made was
I am saying, there is both quantitative and qualitative differences in how men do body shaming to women, and so YES, there is a point in having a gender specific thread.Why is this a gender specific question?
And my underwear isn't clean enough to be a white knight, I'm a beige knight.0 -
Alisontheice wrote: »
Do you work for burning man with that level of straw men? Do you seriously believe women, more often than men, ask if a man lifts, and try to make men feel bad about how much or how little they lift?HawleyGriffin wrote: »
Funny, I don't think anyone here claimed men are devoid of societal expectations of appearance. Make your own think of the menz thread if you're so worried about it.HawleyGriffin wrote: »The fat guy with the hot woman. He must have money.
And are you familiar with DYEL. Nope, no expectations of what a man should look like!
OP your intent might not have been to cause a mean thread, but that is exactly what you cause when you use generalizations.
Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity.
Is that so senecarr?
<image of women wearing DYEL>
Here:
I've seen many posts from women commenting how they squatted more than the guy in the squat rack beside them and implying this in some way makes them superior. Commenting how some man reached for the "lady weights".HawleyGriffin wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »senecarr, you keep twisting your replies to imply that I am making the generalizations. Let me quote you "Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity."
Nowhere in this thread will you find a statement from me stating that men have it worse than women when it comes to expectations of desirable body image. My objection was to the generalization about men, and multiple women have confirmed my point.
Me showing you that YOU are wrong about YOUR generalizations, does not translate to me making differing generalizations.
You posted images of people paid to wear a DYEL shirt to disprove my statement. My statement was "men tend" not only men. So your image that there are some women wearing a DYEL shirt is pointless.
The fact that women are pointing out men body shaming them and your first reaction is #notallmen is just adding to the point of how there is a system that is utterly concerned about men being able to tell women what to do.
Ok then, "dude do you even gym?" Because if you DID, you would SEE the women wearing these shirts!!!
And again, you are mistating my comments. My response wasn't #notallmen. My response was that both men and women are guilty of body shaming. There is a difference.
And you what is funny, when I saw your original comment I posted on my profile about a White Knight entering the thread. I couldn't help but laugh when I got a FR from a guy that basically said the same thing about you in his FR message.
You're still not following. What do you think the word "tends" means? Let me ask you blankly, are you claiming it is mostly women DYELing men? Because showing SINGLE instances of it, isn't evidence for that. Most DYEL comes from men.
Your original commentary you made was
I am saying, there is both quantitative and qualitative differences in how men do body shaming to women, and so YES, there is a point in having a gender specific thread.Why is this a gender specific question?
And my underwear isn't clean enough to be a white knight, I'm a beige knight.
Dude...stop...just...stop.
And btw, where did you become such an authority on male/female interactions with regards to body shaming? Is that a new liberal arts degree program?
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Alisontheice wrote: »
Do you work for burning man with that level of straw men? Do you seriously believe women, more often than men, ask if a man lifts, and try to make men feel bad about how much or how little they lift?HawleyGriffin wrote: »
Funny, I don't think anyone here claimed men are devoid of societal expectations of appearance. Make your own think of the menz thread if you're so worried about it.HawleyGriffin wrote: »The fat guy with the hot woman. He must have money.
And are you familiar with DYEL. Nope, no expectations of what a man should look like!
OP your intent might not have been to cause a mean thread, but that is exactly what you cause when you use generalizations.
Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity.
Is that so senecarr?
<image of women wearing DYEL>
Here:
I've seen many posts from women commenting how they squatted more than the guy in the squat rack beside them and implying this in some way makes them superior. Commenting how some man reached for the "lady weights".HawleyGriffin wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »senecarr, you keep twisting your replies to imply that I am making the generalizations. Let me quote you "Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity."
Nowhere in this thread will you find a statement from me stating that men have it worse than women when it comes to expectations of desirable body image. My objection was to the generalization about men, and multiple women have confirmed my point.
Me showing you that YOU are wrong about YOUR generalizations, does not translate to me making differing generalizations.
You posted images of people paid to wear a DYEL shirt to disprove my statement. My statement was "men tend" not only men. So your image that there are some women wearing a DYEL shirt is pointless.
The fact that women are pointing out men body shaming them and your first reaction is #notallmen is just adding to the point of how there is a system that is utterly concerned about men being able to tell women what to do.
Ok then, "dude do you even gym?" Because if you DID, you would SEE the women wearing these shirts!!!
And again, you are mistating my comments. My response wasn't #notallmen. My response was that both men and women are guilty of body shaming. There is a difference.
And you what is funny, when I saw your original comment I posted on my profile about a White Knight entering the thread. I couldn't help but laugh when I got a FR from a guy that basically said the same thing about you in his FR message.
You're still not following. What do you think the word "tends" means? Let me ask you blankly, are you claiming it is mostly women DYELing men? Because showing SINGLE instances of it, isn't evidence for that. Most DYEL comes from men.
Your original commentary you made was
I am saying, there is both quantitative and qualitative differences in how men do body shaming to women, and so YES, there is a point in having a gender specific thread.Why is this a gender specific question?
And my underwear isn't clean enough to be a white knight, I'm a beige knight.
Dude...stop...just...stop.
And btw, where did you become such an authority on male/female interactions with regards to body shaming? Is that a new liberal arts degree program?
DAMNNNN!!!!
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HawleyGriffin wrote: »Why is this a gender specific question? Why couldn't it have been posted "has ANYONE ever made you feel bad about your body?" instead of "has a man?" Ladies, I am sure you all have witnessed a woman ridicule a man before regarding his appearance. Sorry, being cruel to someone is not specific to any particular gender.
It has to do with how you react to the comments. I react differently when hearing it from a man as I do from a woman.0 -
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Yeah, it is. You owe me $50 for the lessons so far, so I can see why you'd want to stop, you probably couldn't afford more.Alisontheice wrote: »
Do you work for burning man with that level of straw men? Do you seriously believe women, more often than men, ask if a man lifts, and try to make men feel bad about how much or how little they lift?HawleyGriffin wrote: »
Funny, I don't think anyone here claimed men are devoid of societal expectations of appearance. Make your own think of the menz thread if you're so worried about it.HawleyGriffin wrote: »The fat guy with the hot woman. He must have money.
And are you familiar with DYEL. Nope, no expectations of what a man should look like!
OP your intent might not have been to cause a mean thread, but that is exactly what you cause when you use generalizations.
Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity.
Is that so senecarr?
<image of women wearing DYEL>
Here:
I've seen many posts from women commenting how they squatted more than the guy in the squat rack beside them and implying this in some way makes them superior. Commenting how some man reached for the "lady weights".HawleyGriffin wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »senecarr, you keep twisting your replies to imply that I am making the generalizations. Let me quote you "Not to mention, you know who tends to ask DYEL? Men, not women. Men policing men for masculinity."
Nowhere in this thread will you find a statement from me stating that men have it worse than women when it comes to expectations of desirable body image. My objection was to the generalization about men, and multiple women have confirmed my point.
Me showing you that YOU are wrong about YOUR generalizations, does not translate to me making differing generalizations.
You posted images of people paid to wear a DYEL shirt to disprove my statement. My statement was "men tend" not only men. So your image that there are some women wearing a DYEL shirt is pointless.
The fact that women are pointing out men body shaming them and your first reaction is #notallmen is just adding to the point of how there is a system that is utterly concerned about men being able to tell women what to do.
Ok then, "dude do you even gym?" Because if you DID, you would SEE the women wearing these shirts!!!
And again, you are mistating my comments. My response wasn't #notallmen. My response was that both men and women are guilty of body shaming. There is a difference.
And you what is funny, when I saw your original comment I posted on my profile about a White Knight entering the thread. I couldn't help but laugh when I got a FR from a guy that basically said the same thing about you in his FR message.
You're still not following. What do you think the word "tends" means? Let me ask you blankly, are you claiming it is mostly women DYELing men? Because showing SINGLE instances of it, isn't evidence for that. Most DYEL comes from men.
Your original commentary you made was
I am saying, there is both quantitative and qualitative differences in how men do body shaming to women, and so YES, there is a point in having a gender specific thread.Why is this a gender specific question?
And my underwear isn't clean enough to be a white knight, I'm a beige knight.
Dude...stop...just...stop.
And btw, where did you become such an authority on male/female interactions with regards to body shaming? Is that a new liberal arts degree program?0 -
sw33tp3a11 wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »asianfashionista86, did you hang out with mostly guys or girls when you were in high school? I have been told many times by women that they got it worse from other girls than they did from the guys.
Thinking back to my high school days. This is true. Girls are brutal. The locker room for some girls was hell.
Hahahah this reminds me about something that happened to me in grade 7. It was my first gym class in junior high and I was wearing a sports bra (didn't really need the support, but wearing one anyway). And one girl laughed at me while I was changing saying "AHAH why would you think YOU need a sports bra?" And the only thing I thought about that was "Why does she want to see my nipples? O.o" I wasn't offended though I could tell she meant to offend me. Of course 6 months later I had more reasons to wear that bra...0 -
Yeah I have but it's not even worth my time to write them all out...0
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sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »Jackie0Marie wrote: »Oh, the one gender has it harder than the other argument. *facedesk*
I always think back to the yoga pants thread. Where someone posted that article where some dummy politician tried to ban yoga pants because they were "too revealing". They opened up the thread to a debate on whether they are too revealing. One guy stated his opinion on saying yoga pants are great, but up until a certain size they do tend to show more than you'd like to see. All these women jumped on him, called him a pig, and other nasty names.
Then there was a thread about if a guy should wear tank tops. The vast majority of women that commented said tank tops on men are only acceptable if they have a nice big chest and arms. And when I brought up the yoga pants thing and pointed out this double standard...no one said a damn thing.
It boggles my mind!
If you truly don't understand that women are more objectified and judged for their appearance than men then you must live under a rock, and the posters in your old thread probably didn't say anything to you pointing out a so-called "double standard" because it would take too long to educate you in the millions of ways women are put to a higher (unattainable) "standard" in our society, through media, marketing, and outdated concepts of what a women should look like and how she should act.
And FWIW, I think women perpetuate those unattainable standards just as much as men. Sometimes just by just accepting them and trying to live up to some ideal body standard that can never be achieved.
The fact that you called a straightforward double standard "so-called" and then put double standard into quotes leads me to believe you just can not/refuse to understand the issue. That is unfortunate.
I look at media, marketing, gender roles and I see the same thing being shoved down the throats of both men and women. There's magazines showing images of perfect symmetrical bodies of both men and women. Look down the aisle at the grocery store, the men on the covers are put to an "unattainable" standard just like the women. What about the movie roles? It's pretty much 1 stereotypical extremely good looking man role after another, just like women. Lol Yesterday we had whole thread about Ryan Gosling "the perfect boyfriend" memes - including his hot abs, sexy stumble, boyish grin, and full head of hair. As for the outdated concepts and gender roles -a little boy wants a purple bike instead of blue ? Or wants to go to a dance class and not play football - oh, hell no! Boys are supposed to play football and be big and strong like the Rock! That's what a man does. What about "boys don't cry"? Only sissy boys cry. Be a stay-at-home Dad??? How demeaning!
For every one of those for men there's one for women. There's a struggle for both sides. One isn't greater than the other. And holding one issue above the other doesn't solve anything, it does the opposite, just keeps putting the clocks back.
Wrong. One is greater than the other. That's why women still get paid 78 cents for every dollar that men make for the same job. That's why flipping through a magazine you'll see 80 photoshopped-to-perfection pictures of women for every one of a man. That's why 4 times as many women experience domestic violence than men. I could go one and on. No one's saying that men don't have to deal with society's expectations, but women definitely have it worse.
Regarding the cents to every dollar - let's extend that beyond male/female and classify by race too. It goes beyond male/female.
Domestic violence - Sadly, many men do not report domestic violence because of embarrassment - gender roles.
These facts do not take anything away from the Women's right issue, however, only seeing that issue doesn't help anything.
We could go on and on, but putting one above the other doesn't solve the big picture here. And you can't see that, so, I do not plan on continually talking to a wall.
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So can we close this thread yet... Lol I swear every thread I make turns into a gate way to hell0
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asflatasapancake wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »In before lock. People in general can be mean. Mean people threads should be posted on Fridays. It's in the bylaws.
This guy saw that the thread was going to turn into a train wreck. He's pretty smart.
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asflatasapancake wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »In before lock. People in general can be mean. Mean people threads should be posted on Fridays. It's in the bylaws.
This guy saw that the thread was going to turn into a train wreck. He's pretty smart.
I thought the downward spiral with the hot dog gifs would kill it, but it lives!0
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