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pills aren't going to help in the long run, though they may help get you started
shop and buy whole foods and less processed, there is a nutrient dense food list around here someplace. think high fiber and high protein to stay full longer. it's not that processed foods are bad, but imo I find that I don't stay as full as long.
and prep. make stuff ahead of time so that when you are in a hurry you have a good option to grab, like an egg
no one is being unsupportive here, but excuses will not fly on this forum. excuse free zone.
log everything as best you can. eat at a deficit. you will lose weight
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OP, my advice to you is simple: stop hating yourself. You deserve to be healthy and happy and to feel good about what you do every day. Taking a ton of drugs that mess with your body and mind is not a loving way to treat yourself (I say this as a former drug abuser). Deliberately inducing binge/starve cycles is harmful to you now and even more so in the future.
Eat nutritious, filling food throughout the day. Keep up with the walking and swimming. Can you talk about why that is not an option you have considered or one that you have ruled out?
If the responses are upsetting you, take some time and then come back and re-read them. It's natural to feel defensive at first but let your emotions calm down and I think you'll see there is a lot of GENUINE AND REAL caring and support coming at you.0 -
IVE been over weight my whole life born 10lbs 7 oz By first grade I was over 120 lbs by 7th grade I was over 240 as a adult with three kids I was over 500 the days I don't log I honestly don't eat, the days that I log I log as accurately as possible if I am not sure I over shoot it. I was hoping to get some positive vibes here and all I am getting is cut down. I'm not a skinny woman who wants to loose 20 lbs to look good in a black dress I'm a obese mother of three beautiful kids who has decided to make a life change so that I may be with them longer. Everyone in my family is obese yes I don't always eat the correct choices for my diet but I do honestly log. Thanks again for all the negative feelings I guess I'll have to loose this 300+ lbs with out any support group because this is awful
You can't ask for help and insult the people giving you real, healthy advice. It's HARD. We don't deny that. But you have to be willing to put the work in. You're not going to find anyone who will give you an excuse for why your way isn't working because there is more you need to be doing.0 -
People here are trying to give you good advice; there's no negative feelings intended. You want to be healthy for your children and also teach them how to make healthy choices. In order to do that you need to make more changes in your lifestyle besides taking a pill. Add in more fruits and veggies and cut down on the prepackaged/processed/restaurant foods. There's nothing wrong with eating that kind of stuff-in moderation. Use the MFP tools and set realistic goals and above all be accountable to yourself. Realize that if you ask for advice here you're going to get advice and not a pity party. Negative advice would be someone encouraging you to continue what you are doing-chasing phentermine with red bull and gas station hot dogs.0
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If you are seriously eating very low calorie and not losing, I would get a full blood workup from my doctor including TSH,m Free T3 and Free T4. Also, at your weight you can burn a ton of calories just through walking. Higher intensity cardio can come later as you are able. As you are larger, you will have more muscle mass than you might expect, if you can do some weight training as you are losing, you can help preserve some of that muscle mass.
Going to put in my MFP how to here:
Buy a food scale, weigh and log everything.
Do cardio if you want, and if you do, only eat back 50% of your calories (if you are losing faster than expected after logging for a few weeks, then up the % you eat back). Lift weights and hit your protein goal to help maintain muscle mass while losing.
Cheat meals that take you over maintenance will sabotage your efforts. Log the cheat meals too (falls under the 'log everything' rule).
Eat anything you want in moderation, keeping in mind that your diet will be easier to stick with if you chose foods that make it easier to stay under your calories without feeling hungry.
Also it would be a good idea to read some of the best forum posts such as:
Calorie Counting 101
Logging Accuracy, Consistency, & You're Probably Eating More Than You Think
A Guide To Get You Started on Your Path To Sexy Pants
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Hey OP! Others have already covered accurate logging, possible water retention due to the prescriptions or time of the month, and the fact that two weeks is not a long enough time period to judge.
I will also note that you have already lost 39lbs!
This is a tremendous loss, a great success, and I am wondering how long it took you to do it?
Is it possible that you are used to progressing at an unrealistically fast pace?
Here are some random things for you to consider!
Use a weight tracking trendline type application to record your weight. It will help you see past water retention due to hormones, sodium, exercise and other natural daily variations.
I am fairly sure that you realize that you will not be able to both lose your weight and maintain your weight loss without making some longer term changes in your life.
These changes will have to do with how much you move around a day and with how much and what you eat.
There is a major difference between not declaring any type of food, or food group, "dirty", "I will never eat it again", and systematically choosing higher calorie, lower volume, for lack of a better word I will use the term "convenience" items as your "GOTO" items.
Based on (the admittedly small sample of) your diary (that I looked at), I can guarantee you that you don't need a drug in order to eat less calories while actually eating a much higher volume of food that will leave you stuffed while losing weight!
As an example, hot dogs clock in at 3, often 4, calories a gram. Chicken breast at about 1.5. You can eat double the quantity for the same calories. Which fills you up!
I am not even going to go much past touching on fruits and vegetables; I don't recall seeing too many in your diary!
Buns add a lot of calories to food, and are definitely something tasty that I would never want to eliminate from the food I eat.
But I can certainly moderate my consumption and eat buns as a semi treat i occasionally enjoy as opposed to a staple.
Most places will lettuce wrap your burger or if you are in a sit down restaurant serve your burger or hot dog open faced.
And, of course, if it has been a long time since you've cooked for yourself from scratch, it is incredible how small changes in the preparation of food can result in a large caloric reduction.
Yesterday I had fish and chips.
A standard order would have been about 2700Cal, a good 800 or so more than my "lightly battered" 1900 Cal version. If I had gone flour only, I would have saved another 700 or so and would have been down in the 1200's!
If I had oven baked the stuff at home, using cooking spray and maybe some butter or olive oil for flavouring, the meal would have ended up under 800 Cal. Including real oven baked fries.
In all three cases I would not have been hungry after I was done eating.
800 to 2700Cal in a single meal.... is half a lb of fat in the one meal.
The tablespoons of oil that deep fried foods abdorb during the cooking process and condiments such as mayonaise, tartar sauce, and salad dressing really add up quite fast!
Anyway. Hopefully this will get you thinking about finding stuff to eat that has less calories AND leaves you just as full (or even fuller) than your current choices do.
BTW, instead of a red bull I am going to have two medium McDonald ice coffees no liquid sugar sub milk today. About 80Cal and $2, for both. That extra 30Cal could go towards a down payment for a piece of chocolate later in the day.....
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Are you weighing, measuring and logging your food intake? I won't advise you against the pills because I also take them. However, I learned how to log my food correctly and consistently long before I started taking the pills (I started with Phen because I was on an 8-MONTH plateau after losing consistently for 2 1/2 years and there was not any obvious reason for the plateau and my doctor and I made the decision together, after reviewing my food and exercise log and running many blood tests, to try a low dose of the pills to see if it would break the plateau). Whether or not you take pills, you have to eat at a deficit and after you quit taking the pills, you have to be able to sustain that. Use the Phen prescription to have some time to teach yourself healthy eating habits that include a diet that is at a caloric deficit.
Use the Phen as a tool to help you develop good eating habits that will last a lifetime. Understand that this is only a short term tool and you will need to stop sooner rather than later. Do NOT take additional medications or supplements without your doctor's knowledge and approval. That could lead to serious health issues!
Also, weight loss is not linear. You will lose, gain and stay the same from week to week throughout your weight loss. This is NORMAL. 2 weeks is also not a plateau, or really anything to even be concerned about. It is NORMAL. Adjust your expectations and caloric goals to lose between .5 and 2 pounds per week (depending upon how much you have to lose) and your loss will slow as you get closer to goal. Understand that there will be times when you not only stay the same, but you will gain, no matter how "good" you were. This is all part of the process. I have lost a total of 94 pounds so far and am 25 pounds from goal. My weight loss graph looks like a roller coaster with all the ups and downs! However, the overall trend is down. That is what you want to see. Don't judge your success from one week to the next, measure it over a long period of time.
Good luck!
(I started this response a couple hours ago and then got caught up in a meeting, so I apologize if much of this has been said already)0 -
OP it is very simple and easy
Start weighing your food...and log it here
eat around your calorie allowance every day
When you exercise, eat 50% back of those "earned"
That is how i lost almost 100 pounds...no pills!0 -
Most days the only meal I eat is dinner I wake up to my bad habit a Red Bull and my phentermine, then I on my work days I don't eat anything during the day and when I don't know the exact calories I pick the higher option on the lists to make sure I don't pass my intake for the day
Ugg! mixing Red Bull with Phentermine would make my head spin! Phen is a stimulant and then you are adding a stimulant on top. That really is not a breakfast of champions...
I would consider taking a serious look at your food consumption, record everything you are eating and then take that log and meet with a registered dietician to put together a meal plan of a healthy well-balanced diet that will meet your needs for a calorie deficit. Oh, and I would skip the Red Bull/Phentermine combination! That makes me feel sick just thinking about it!
Continue to do moderate exercise as you feel up to it. The more you do, the more you will be able to do. However, remember that weight loss happens in the kitchen, not the gym. You have to eat at a calorie deficit to lose weight. Exercise has other health benefits like improved mood, improved energy, better muscle mass, stronger heart, etc., etc., etc. but you will never be able to out exercise your fork, so start with your food consumption!0 -
With my size I get tired very quickly, I don't do exercise. I do walk alot daily and in the summer months I go swimming almost daily, and not just floating around in the water active swimming at least 30 mind after dinner lately
Walking and swimming are GREAT exercises! There's a woman here who's lost over 100 pounds from walking alone. Check out this thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10182633/benefits-of-walking/p10 -
I'm sorry if I'm defensive, but I'm used to people looking down upon me my whole life. My father has gotten the lap band down and it's not a option for me due to lack of insurance. I work full time IVE never been a sit at home couch potato . I don't do exercise except walking and swimming because I physically can't do it. My knees kill me just walking around with the weight they have on top of them. I was able to loose weight before consuming phentermine but I don't know how much accurately because the Drs office in small towns don't go past 500lbs. And I was over that when I began trying to loose weight last May 2014 as off may this year I was down to 498, and now on phentermine I'm down to 459 as of this morning but the last two weeks I only lost 1 lb. My Dr office still can't weigh me, their scale only goes up to 400 I weigh myself twice a week at work on the scale we use to purchase Scrap as I work at a scrap yard. This last weeks logs I honestly went and ate more like I did in the past due to holidays and my daughters birthday0
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So you are losing weight. There could be other reasons other than inaccurate logging that will keep you from seeing a loss every week (sodium intake, hormones, stress, water intake). It's still better if you take a look at purchasing a food scale to start weighing things.0
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Being defensive is understandable. If you can get past that to listen to what people are telling you, you can get going in the right direction. No one here is telling you stuff to make you fail.
It might be hard to hear and it will be hard to do, but it will work.0 -
Suger, all you can do at this point is move forward. As I mentioned above (see here), walking and swimming can burn lots of calories. I walk up to 13 km per day (8 miles) and that gives me quite a few calories burned. (This is an actual walk, not just my daily steps around the house) The more you weigh, the more calories said walk will burn, too. Re-read my post above, and start making changes you can live with.0
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Like said here before
Start weighing your food on a food scale ( and i eat everything except salt for medical reasons)
log it here eat around your calorie allowance and lose weight
btw you dont even have to exercise ( like me in the beginning) to lose weight. It all starts in the kitchen.
I couldn't walk when i started
now i can walk 3.5 miles if i want to But i also swim and i like that more atm. ( hot Vegas weather)
So i weighed my food on a food scale ( everything i dont use cups and spoons or serving sizes). I walked and swim
And lost
It is up to you what you do and how much you want this.
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It's everyone's natural response to be defensive and we get that. With that said, when you post a question to a large community, we're going to dig in and try to help. It may sound like judgement but it comes from knowing what we've done in the past and what had worked. We want that for you!0
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The good news is, you don't have to exercise to lose weight. Diet controls weight loss and as you lose weight, you can add whatever you can.
Regarding accuracy, it's a proven fact humans tend to under report their calories in and over report calories out. And even highly trained individuals can understimate as much as 400 calories. So we aren't blaming you, we are just speaking from facts provided by studies.
Second, since it's only two weeks, you probably have water retention issues, especially since you are on medications. That will tend to happen. Try to look at things over a 4-6 week trend.
Third, try to log daily and pick up a food scale. Typically, when people aren't losing it's one of three things, 1. accuracy, 2. consistency, and 3. patience. All three should be there before you modify.
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walking is one of the best exercises you can do for weight loss. Even if you can just do it for 15 minutes at a time, try to do it. Before you know it, you'll be able to do it for 30 minutes, then 60 minutes, etc. Baby steps. Just do what you CAN do, then later on, add other things.0
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I re-read the while thread because I honestly tried to see where someone had been mean.
I saw a couple of clearly light hearted posts and a whole whack of seriously trying to be helpful posts.
Red bulk + amphetamine = two simulants. Doesn't sound like a great idea.
Food choices. Maybe I missed something in your diary and my random sample was not representative.
The Twinkie or McDonald's diet to lose weight do exist. And you will lose weight regardless of what you eat if you eat less calories than you spend.
That part is true.
It is also true that one hot dog on a bun is more calories than an egg mcmuffin. It is also true that three hard boiled eggs, or a two egg spinach omelette is less calories than either.
At some point you will have to actively involve your brain and your ability to choose the foods you eat if you want to achieve weight loss and a healthy family.
If you don't know how to cook, or what foods to choose, this can be fixed with a little bit of effort.
If you don't have the finances to make better choices, best alternatives can be found.
But if you think that you will continue to live your life on automatic without actively engaging your brain, and energy, and effort in making continous and conscious food choices that will lead to better health outcomes.... sorry, you're heading back to where you started.
What do you think will happen if i eat nothing all day and then walk into a KFC?
Am I able to make rational choices at that time? I am flipping hungry and I'm in a high calorie food establishment!
What would happen if i had prepared pre logged food that i had eaten when i was hungry (or at a pre-set time everyday)? I just would not be in the same position, would I?
You are not a passenger in your life and you don't need drugs.
You do need to put in the time and effort to make better choices that you pre plan and execute.
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Dang. I see I flew off the handle and things changed while I was away.
OP do not destroy your knees trying to exercise right now.
You will need them later when you will be able to exercise much more effectively.
Water based exercise is more than enough for you to lose weight on right now.0 -
I think your body is going into starvation mode because you are not fueling it. Exercise or no exercise your body needs nutrients. Maybe your doctor can refer you to a nutritionist. I think you may need some guidance on healthy food and meal ideas. I know it helped me to talk to someone. And I thought I knew it all! Read everything you can to educate yourself. Dr. Oz is great to refer to. I like the 21 day fix program. It gives you the right portion sizes and stresses the importance of eating real food. Meal prepping always helps me to stay on track. When I am not prepared with food, I grab whatever. If I skip meals it always backfires. You are better off drinking a healthy protein shake with good protein powder and unsweetened almond or cashew milk than skipping breakfast. Pack snack packs of veggies for the week and keep them in the fridge with snack packs of hummus ready to go. A big bowl of apples. (slice them with cinnamon!) Unsweetened greek yogurt with cinnamon and a drizzle of honey with fresh berries. I need to fuel my body every 2 - 3 hours. Not big meals but, real clean food. I always say eat as close to the ground as you can. As real as it can get. That is what has helped me. Hang in there, taking baby steps add up. Focus on one thing a week to improve...non of us are perfect. It all takes time.
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Walking and swimming are great exercise. I put on a lot of weight when I quit swimming, I had no idea just how many calories I was burning in that pool! If you feel a need to change it up, go on Youtube and search for "chair workout". You'll find a bunch of actual workouts, very good calorie burners/strength improvers, that you can do sitting down.
You are where you are right now - no shame in owning your starting point. But that's all it is. One day you will reach your goal weight and that day will be awesome, but remember that you have to actually LIVE all of the days between now and then. The more extreme and desperate you go, the less you're going to enjoy your life. The more deliberate and thoughtful you go, the more you'll be able to appreciate and enjoy all of the gradual changes and small victories along the way.
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Being as overweight as you are doesn't just put stress on your knees, it also puts stress on your heart. Be very careful about taking any over-the-counter pills. Not only are they a waste of money and unlikely to work, most of them contain stimulants. In your situation, that is an extremely risky proposition.
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OP, don't skip meals. As someone above said, when you skip meals, you get famished and then you eat what is within sight. That's human nature.
Spend some time planning your day's and week's meals. A little pre-planning goes a looong way, especially when you are busy. Keep healthy foods and snacks on hand so when you are hungry, you can eat something a little more nutritious than a gas station hot dog (not that those are necessarily bad when eaten in moderation, but they don't go very far in providing healthy nutrition and they are a huge amount of calories for not much food!). Pack your lunch to take to work. A sandwich with cheese, lean meat and some veggies, a microwave-cup of soup and a piece of fruit would go a long way in keeping you from getting so hungry that you wanted to eat anything you laid your eyes on for dinner. It would also provide some great nutrition to keep you going throughout the day. Plan your dinners so you have something ready to go when you get home. Crock pots are a great tool for having something ready without much work. Also, it's summer, take advantage of your grill if you have one. Everything tastes better on a grill!
Seriously, you don't have to exercise to lose weight. You just need to get a serious handle on your food. You can eat a diet entirely of junk food and still lose weight - as long as you are eating at a caloric deficit - however, eating a well-balanced diet that includes fruits, vegetables, whole grains and lean meats, will make you feel a whole lot better, have more energy and be much more satisfying. Don't give up everything you love, just make sure you are eating it all in moderation.
I will reiterate that meeting with a registered dietitian might be really beneficial to you. Your doctor could probably recommend someone.0 -
I think your body is going into starvation mode because you are not fueling it. Exercise or no exercise your body needs nutrients. Maybe your doctor can refer you to a nutritionist. I think you may need some guidance on healthy food and meal ideas. I know it helped me to talk to someone. And I thought I knew it all! Read everything you can to educate yourself. Dr. Oz is great to refer to. I like the 21 day fix program. It gives you the right portion sizes and stresses the importance of eating real food. Meal prepping always helps me to stay on track. When I am not prepared with food, I grab whatever. If I skip meals it always backfires. You are better off drinking a healthy protein shake with good protein powder and unsweetened almond or cashew milk than skipping breakfast. Pack snack packs of veggies for the week and keep them in the fridge with snack packs of hummus ready to go. A big bowl of apples. (slice them with cinnamon!) Unsweetened greek yogurt with cinnamon and a drizzle of honey with fresh berries. I need to fuel my body every 2 - 3 hours. Not big meals but, real clean food. I always say eat as close to the ground as you can. As real as it can get. That is what has helped me. Hang in there, taking baby steps add up. Focus on one thing a week to improve...non of us are perfect. It all takes time.
So Much NO in this. This is not starvation mode ! Meal timing is irrelevant ! ugh NO DR oz ! All this food you tlak about is to big of a change for her.
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I think your body is going into starvation mode because you are not fueling it. Exercise or no exercise your body needs nutrients. Maybe your doctor can refer you to a nutritionist. I think you may need some guidance on healthy food and meal ideas. I know it helped me to talk to someone. And I thought I knew it all! Read everything you can to educate yourself. Dr. Oz is great to refer to. I like the 21 day fix program. It gives you the right portion sizes and stresses the importance of eating real food. Meal prepping always helps me to stay on track. When I am not prepared with food, I grab whatever. If I skip meals it always backfires. You are better off drinking a healthy protein shake with good protein powder and unsweetened almond or cashew milk than skipping breakfast. Pack snack packs of veggies for the week and keep them in the fridge with snack packs of hummus ready to go. A big bowl of apples. (slice them with cinnamon!) Unsweetened greek yogurt with cinnamon and a drizzle of honey with fresh berries. I need to fuel my body every 2 - 3 hours. Not big meals but, real clean food. I always say eat as close to the ground as you can. As real as it can get. That is what has helped me. Hang in there, taking baby steps add up. Focus on one thing a week to improve...non of us are perfect. It all takes time.
@suger723 please ignore most of what is in this post. Dr Oz is the worst person you could ever listen to except for FoodBabe. Starvation mode only happens when you are literally starving for an extended period of time.
Meal prep - yes
Clean food - meaningless phrase0 -
ManiacalLaugh wrote: »I was doing good on this medicine phentermine and losing weight and now two weeks in a row I haven't lost anything. I'm still watching very closely what I eat, but it's not helping. Can anyone recommend a possible Carb burner or fat blocker that I could take along with my prescription medicine? I have so much weight to lose and it's hard not to get discouraged when I know IVE cut back Sooo much and the scale isn't moving!
You're already going to get a lot of people saying "Don't take the pills!" So I'll just add my $0.02 in.
Please let your doctor know before mixing ANY other meds (over the counter or otherwise) or supplements with Phentermine. Seriously, that could lead to health issues that you'll never be able to correct.
This ^. and while on Phentermine practice better food choice and learn to count calories. Give it more time.
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I think your body is going into starvation mode because you are not fueling it. Exercise or no exercise your body needs nutrients. Maybe your doctor can refer you to a nutritionist. I think you may need some guidance on healthy food and meal ideas. I know it helped me to talk to someone. And I thought I knew it all! Read everything you can to educate yourself. Dr. Oz is great to refer to. I like the 21 day fix program. It gives you the right portion sizes and stresses the importance of eating real food. Meal prepping always helps me to stay on track. When I am not prepared with food, I grab whatever. If I skip meals it always backfires. You are better off drinking a healthy protein shake with good protein powder and unsweetened almond or cashew milk than skipping breakfast. Pack snack packs of veggies for the week and keep them in the fridge with snack packs of hummus ready to go. A big bowl of apples. (slice them with cinnamon!) Unsweetened greek yogurt with cinnamon and a drizzle of honey with fresh berries. I need to fuel my body every 2 - 3 hours. Not big meals but, real clean food. I always say eat as close to the ground as you can. As real as it can get. That is what has helped me. Hang in there, taking baby steps add up. Focus on one thing a week to improve...non of us are perfect. It all takes time.
@suger723 please ignore most of what is in this post. Dr Oz is the worst person you could ever listen to except for FoodBabe. Starvation mode only happens when you are literally starving for an extended period of time.
Meal prep - yes
Clean food - meaningless phrase
+1. Ugh. everything in this post is wrong. There is no starvation mode as explained here and Dr. Oz is a quack who should be stripped of his medical license!
There is just SO much wrong with this post! Gah!0 -
OP- weight will not disappear overnight. It was hard for me to hear as well. Then I realized, I spent over 3 years putting on 50lbs, why in the world would I think it would come off in 6 months? It will take time and there will be weeks that you don't lose, but honestly, you will lose more eating at least 1200 calories (albeit 1500-1800 calories) than you will eating nothing. I know it sounds crazy but sometimes you have to eat to lose.
Also, I had to figure out that I can eat 2 big mac's for the entire day or I can eat 6 meals with nutrition dense foods for the same amount of calories. You can eat processed, fatty foods. But you will get to eat more food all day by eating healthier food, such as chicken and vegetables, whole grains, low calorie breads, lean hamburger, etc, etc. I have found I can still eat my favorite foods, but I just had to learn how to lighten them up. Sloppy Joe's? Heck yes! But I used turkey or 93/7 hamburger, and low sodium manwich, and low calorie whole breads or sandwich thins. And because of that I had the calories left to enjoy some baked French Fries and a dynamite salad and some steamed broccoli and.... you see what I mean?
Also, I am the first to say--- the big mac sounded so much better. I can't say that now. After eating healthy, I crave healthy food. In fact if I ate a big mac now it would probably make me a little nauseous. I love that it's like that. It keeps me in check. I also crave sugar during TOM. I try little quips with myself such as "If you want that cake you can have it tomorrow" I make promises to myself and usually I have forgotten all about it by that time. Of I switch it out for a mini cup of birthday cake ice cream with 110 calories and a dollop of cool whip with 15 calories.
Lastly, you have lost 39lbs!!!! That is amazing no matter how much you started at. You deserve to feel good about that! And when you really commit and log and try to walk for 15-30 minutes a day, you will see that trend continue. When I first started with a BMI of 40.5, the first thing my doc did was prescribe me Phentermine. I realized right away that it wasn't for me and that there was a healthier way to handle this. Plus, I have self esteem issues and no amount of medication would have made me stop eating when I was depressed or feeling lost. That had to be dealt with first.
Good luck with your journey. I hope this helped even a little bit.0
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