Skipping breakfast
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These are great if you consider "correlation" as "causation". Now please post a peer reviewed study showing that a person in calorie deficit/maintenance skipping breakfast is going to gain weight and get obese as the actual result?CaptBligh001 wrote: »
I read the first 3 articles from your search:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26088558
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26102907
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26109287
None of these are telling me why I MUST eat first thing in the morning. None of these are telling me what will go wrong if I don't.
Nobody is suggesting that you starve yourself. Nobody is suggesting that you shouldn't meet your nutritional needs. People are just saying you do not have to eat first thing if you don't want to.
Well there are over 700 pages of studies in the particular search I provided, Not every listed study is applicable to our discussion. I figured people here might just be intelligent and honest enough to filter the abstracts and find the studies most appropriate to the discussion at hand.
Here's just a small hand full of quotes from the abstracts of just some of the listed studies.- June 9, 2014:
A study from the University of Bath (UK) found that people who eat breakfast burn more calories throughout the day and have tighter blood sugar control than test subjects who skipped breakfast. - July 28, 2013:
According to a 16 year study of nearly 27,000 participants by Harvard University, men who skip breakfast have a 27 percent higher risk of heart attack or death from coronary heart disease. - June 17, 2013:
According to a University of Colorado study, overweight women who skip breakfast are prone to impaired metabolic responses (unhealthy spikes in insulin and glucose levels) after eating lunch. - July 15, 2013:
A study from Harvard University School of Public Health published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that women who skip breakfast have a 20% higher risk of being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily. - June 17, 2013:
A study from the University of Minnesota found that people who eat breakfast regularly have a significantly lower risk of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes compared with subjects who routinely skip breakfast - March 29, 2013:
A University of Missouri-Columbia study indicated that young people who eat a protein-rich breakfast are less likely to indulge in unhealthy snacking later in the day. - February 10, 2013:
A study from the University of Pennsylvania School of Nursing showed children who regularly eat breakfast get significantly higher scores in verbal and performance IQ tests. - October 9, 2012:
A study presented at the Learning Connection Summit demonstrated that brain scans of children who eat breakfast show more activity than scans of children who skip breakfast. - July 5, 2012:
Researchers at Cornell University found that people who skip breakfast tend to crave more carbohydrates later in the day compared with test subjects who ate breakfast. - June 14, 2012:
A study from the University of Minnesota School of Public Health found that people who eat breakfast everyday are 34% less likely to develop type 2 diabetes than those who do not eat breakfast. They are also 43% less likely to become obese and 40% less likely to develop fat around the belly. - May 24, 2012:
A 16-year study from Harvard of nearly 30,000 subjects found that men who skip breakfast are 21% more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily. - May 11, 2012:
A study of 6,000 students from the Toronto Foundation for Student Success found that students who ate breakfast had better grades and were more likely to graduate. - March 10, 2012:
A new study from the Sussex Innovation Centre, Brighton, UK found that eating breakfast improves people's mental performance. 61% of test subjects showed improvements in English and mathematics tests after eating breakfast. Hand-eye coordination was also improved. Breakfast eaters also showed a reduction in anxiety levels when faced with stressful situations. - November 28, 2011:
A study from the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center found that adult women trying to diet are more successful if they eat a healthy breakfast and avoid mid-morning snacks. - April 30, 2002:
Researchers from the National Weight Control Registry, a database of more than 3,000 people who have lost at least 60 pounds and kept it off for an average of 6 years, found that eating breakfast every day was a weight control strategy for 78% of the people in the registry. People who kept off weight long-term also reported eating a low-fat diet and exercising for an hour or more each day. - August 6, 2003:
A study reported by the "Journal of the American College of Nutrition" found that eating cereal (either ready-to-eat or cooked) for breakfast is associated with significantly lower body mass index than either skipping breakfast or eating meats and/or eggs. - August 6, 2014:
A study from the University of Missouri found that young people who eat a high protein breakfast had noticeable reductions in cravings for sweets later in the day. Additional findings indicated that those eating a high protein breakfast may have better regulation of dopamine, the chemical in the brain that regulates food motivation and reward.
Is that enough, most of those are recent between 2014 and 2011. I chose one or two from as far back as 2002 because they were significant, If that's not enough I post more, like I said there are over 700 pages worth..
Regardless of what times and how many meals someone eats (whether it's 1 or 7 in a day) if someone is in calorie deficit or maintenance, weight gain isn't going to be an issue. Oh and if they are meeting their macro/micro nutrient goals while doing it, there's little chance that they are malnourished.
Notice how I did that without trying to be insulting?
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Exactly what I was thinking. Correlation is NOT causation.
1st study - 'people who eat breakfast burn more calories' - perhaps because more people who eat breakfast are obese, and thus burn more calories? Maybe those in the study who ate breakfast were taller, weighed more? In general, everyone burns different amounts of calories. Not a well done study.
2nd - 'breakfast skippers have more heart disease' this means nothing. Maybe people with blue hair are more likely to be drug users (more likely to be hippies?
just kidding!) but this does not mean that someone dying their hair blue turned them into a drug user. Again, they just took a group of breakfast skippers and none skippers and asked them questions. It means nothing.
3rd - 'overweight women who skip breakfast have impaired metabolic responses'. Again, this really doesn't mean anything. Overweight women who skip breakfast are more likely to be trying to lose weight (again, correlation) and thus are more likely to be diabetic or have PCOS, both of which change metabolism. The 4th study doesn't even deserve its own section. Some who skip breakfast are doing so in a bid to lose weight and thus are more likely to be overweight... and get type 2 diabetes. I just skip breakfast because I've never wanted to eat it.
The one that really annoyed me was 'A study from the University of Pennsylvania School of Nursing showed children who regularly eat breakfast get significantly higher scores in verbal and performance IQ tests.' Well, DUH. That's not to do with breakfast, it's to do with class and money. Kids who do not eat breakfast usually come from a family who either cannot afford to feed their kids breakfast, or don't care enough to give their kids breakfast - either way, more likely working class families. Children from these families do worse in school in general. Nowt to do with breakfast.
Furthermore, some of these studies contradict each other! One says eating cereal/carbs for breakfast is linked to lower BMI, compared to a protein breakfast... and then the next one says that eating protein, not carbs, reduces calorie consumption through the day? Make up your mind!
I could go on and debunk each one, but the general idea is... correlation, not causation. I have not eaten breakfast since I was about 12, and I am a healthy, happy, intelligent young woman who has lost 60lbs in the last year (and yes, I was overweight as a child when I DID eat breakfast, too. It's personal preference.)0 - June 9, 2014:
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I like to learn and grow and I feel persuaded. I shall be eating breakfast from now on - before this thread I was one of those who would have said it did not matter.
I don't think anyone on this thread does not grasp the concept that we also need to be in a calorie deficit and that breakfast eating is not a miracle route to eat-what-you-like-land...
BUT
... if we read a few papers and take on board the idea that we might be able to control our energy levels better and reduce cravings by eating breakfast, why not give it a chance?
I have never been fond of rigid thinking on either side of the fence. If we had not all been able to give up other well loved ideas (like dietary fat is of the devil) we would all be stuck in the past doing a whole lot of silly things.
It is ok to change your mind after weighing the evidence. It is ok to admit that you might be wrong.
Bear in mind, that for some of us, the secret to controlling appetite is to delay breakfast.
For some people, an early breakfast seems to turn on an appetite switch. When you're eating a limited amount of food, this can be a problem.
I personally find my appetite is much better controlled when I delay breakfast. Other people find the opposite. Don't go by what studies say is supposed to happen when it comes to you in this regard. Go by your own experience.
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There used to be a poster here who HATED breakfast. Every post he made - every single one - was all about how horrible breakfast is and how you don't need it, etc. The guy was kind of on a mission to eliminate breakfast.
I wonder if he's on some other board now, trying to get them to stop eating breakfast.
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None of us skip breakfast. Breakfast is the first meal of the day, whether it's soup or cereal, and no matter what time of the day we choose to have our first meal of the day. Sometimes my first meal of the day is at 1pm and it's a taco. It's BREAK-FAST still.
Don't over think it. Ditch all the freakin rules and just do what is right for you.0 -
CaptBligh001 wrote: »schandler1011 wrote: »You don't want to skip breakfast because overnight your body goes into the fasting mode, that is why you "break" it. snip........
Fail.
You lost weight because you are in a caloric deficit.
Fail ? think Not !! the only fail here is yours, What was posted is almost a verbatim quote from an abstract of a 2013 study published in the British Journal of Nutrition, I'll see if I can find it meanwhile Livestrong references this study as well.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/292033-side-effects-of-not-eating-breakfast/LiveStrong wrote:Obesity and its ensuing complications -- such as diabetes, infertility and heart disease -- are some of the biggest concerns of the 21st century. Skipping breakfast may increase your risk of obesity or make it harder to lose weight. The Weight-control Information Network reports that if you eat breakfast you are less likely to overeat throughout the rest of the day. Since you fast overnight while sleeping, forgoing breakfast adds to this fasting period and may disrupt blood sugar balance and insulin output. Skipping breakfast may also trigger bad eating habits throughout the day, as cravings ensue and quick-fix fast foods are often sought out. Furthermore, eating breakfast boosts your metabolism and increases your energy throughout the day. A study in the August 2013 issue of the "British Journal of Nutrition" reports that when you do not eat breakfast, your energy is reduced and physical activity levels decline.
LOL just seeing this. I failed how? Because you posted an article that reinforced the fact that a deficit is what causes weight loss??0 -
californiagirl2012 wrote: »None of us skip breakfast. Breakfast is the first meal of the day, whether it's soup or cereal, and no matter what time of the day we choose to have our first meal of the day. Sometimes my first meal of the day is at 1pm and it's a taco. It's BREAK-FAST still.
Don't over think it. Ditch all the freakin rules and just do what is right for you.
GOOD point, miss! Whenever you break your fast is when you eat breakfast!
Also, many people on here are so defensive they don't even realize we're saying "no, you don't HAVE to eat breakfast", not "if you eat breakfast you'll get fat".0 -
Just came in to chime in that I wish I had OP's problem and weren't hungry in the morning. If I don't eat something within an hour or two of waking, I feel like committing murder-suicide, I don't care if I love the persons near me, they're either grabbing me a coffee and an egg sandwich, or they're going down with me.0
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While true, when people speak of breakfast, the assumption is consumption of food in the AM and before noon. Literally what you say is correct though.californiagirl2012 wrote: »None of us skip breakfast. Breakfast is the first meal of the day, whether it's soup or cereal, and no matter what time of the day we choose to have our first meal of the day. Sometimes my first meal of the day is at 1pm and it's a taco. It's BREAK-FAST still.
Don't over think it. Ditch all the freakin rules and just do what is right for you.
The debate here is the "downfall" of people who don't consume food in an allotted time before noon.
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Breakfast is preference only. Do what's best for you.
Me, I need my oatmeal with fruit and cashew of almond or coconut milk, my homemade mocha, and my protein on lifting days, because otherwise I am not a very nice person.0 -
You're nice? I kid.Breakfast is preference only. Do what's best for you.
Me, I need my oatmeal with fruit and cashew of almond or coconut milk, my homemade mocha, and my protein on lifting days, because otherwise I am not a very nice person.
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MommyL2015 wrote: »
It's like bugs under my skin when people come in here and say "Do this or don't do that and never do that but always do this because if you don't do what I say, bad things! Baaaad things!!" Just because something does or doesn't work for some folks doesn't make it the end solution for everyone.
No one came here telling anyone what to do, All I did was present the scientific facts regarding eating breakfast in response to someone else posting personal subjective opinion as fact. It's up to you to decide what to do with that scientific knowledge and information.
There have literally been 10's of 1000s of studies done regarding this subject, Far to many for any single person to review thats why people like me must rely on abstracts and the scientific consensus of experts. It seems like every conceivable avenue of research has been exhausted and the science is very clear, It's not even a debated subject among recognized scientific experts, About the only time you see this subject debated is when someone is trying to sell snake oil.
Unfortunately far to many people confuse subjective personal opinion with verifiable objective observations made using established and proven scientific principals performed by recognized experts and credible scientific institutes. My favorite tactic is when someone quotes a dubious study by a known industry front group with questionable integrity in an attempt to debunk a scientific consensus by credible institutes.
Once again, the information has been provided, No one is trying to force you or anyone else to do anything you don't want to do. It's up to you to decide what to do with that knowledge and information. But telling someone that there is no scientific basis for eating breakfasts is not only irresponsible as best I can tell it's an out right lie.0 -
Conspiracy19 wrote: »I'm very rarely hungry in the morning but you always hear people saying how breakfast is the most important meal of the day. I just always go slightly over my calories if I eat breakfast and don't if I skip it. So, is skipping it really that bad?
Me too! I always go over when I eat breakfast, well sometimes, if I add like an iced coffee or something but when I was really serious about my diet before getting pregnant I did ice cold water as soon as i woke up, egg whites with tomatoes and onions and turkey bacon or I would do oatmeal with frozen fruit. Talking about it, I should go back to that, but being pregnant, I wake up and want eggs, turkey bacon, buttered toast and iced coffee, easily 500 calories lol0 -
accidentalpancake wrote: »Snip... The issue is insisting that not eating breakfast is harmful in some way, which is clearly false.
Once again it seems like several of the studies quoted contradict that assertion
for example- May 24, 2012:
A 16-year study from Harvard of nearly 30,000 subjects found that men who skip breakfast are 21% more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily.
A reasonable person would conclude that increasing your risk of Type 2 diabetes could be considered "harmful in some way"- July 15, 2013:
A study from Harvard University School of Public Health published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that women who skip breakfast have a 20% higher risk of being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily.
Just in case you thought it only applied to men- June 17, 2013:
A study from the University of Minnesota found that people who eat breakfast regularly have a significantly lower risk of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes compared with subjects who routinely skip breakfast
Once again I would assume that a reasonable person would conclude that increasing your risk factor for obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes could be considered "harmful in some way"
Once again, the information has been provided, No one is trying to force you or anyone else to do anything you don't want to do. It's up to you to decide what to do with this knowledge and information. But telling someone that there is no scientific basis for eating breakfasts is not only irresponsible as best I can tell it contradicts the established scientific consensus on the subject.0 - May 24, 2012:
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You've still never addressed the question I asked:CaptBligh001 wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »Snip... The issue is insisting that not eating breakfast is harmful in some way, which is clearly false.
Once again it seems like several of the studies quoted contradict that assertion
for example- May 24, 2012:
A 16-year study from Harvard of nearly 30,000 subjects found that men who skip breakfast are 21% more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily.
A reasonable person would conclude that increasing your risk of Type 2 diabetes could be considered "harmful in some way"- July 15, 2013:
A study from Harvard University School of Public Health published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that women who skip breakfast have a 20% higher risk of being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily.
Just in case you thought it only applied to men- June 17, 2013:
A study from the University of Minnesota found that people who eat breakfast regularly have a significantly lower risk of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes compared with subjects who routinely skip breakfast
Once again I would assume that a reasonable person would conclude that increasing your risk factor for obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes could be considered "harmful in some way"
Once again, the information has been provided, No one is trying to force you or anyone else to do anything you don't want to do. It's up to you to decide what to do with this knowledge and information. But telling someone that there is no scientific basis for eating breakfasts is not only irresponsible as best I can tell it contradicts the established scientific consensus on the subject.
What's the difference between someone eating between 7am-7pm and a person that eats 12pm-12am? Now obviously the person not eating at 12pm-12am isn't eating "breakfast".
As for the studies, all show correlation. People aren't getting obese because they're skipping breakfast. It's because they are eating too much. Now may some "gorge" because they didn't eat breakfast? Sure. But none of the studies show what people eat for breakfast. I bet if I go to IHOP every morning to watch the breakfast eaters there, 60% or more will be overweight or obese. Especially since most breakfasts there are up to 1000 calories. Probably the same at a Golden Corral.
Here's something that doesn't need a study to verify: If you drive, you have a 99% risk of getting in a car accident than one who doesn't drive. That's a pretty high risk, right? Driving SAFELY isn't the CAUSE of accidents though. That would be usually due to people who either drive too fast, are distracted, or plain disobey driving rules.
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You're nice? I kid.Breakfast is preference only. Do what's best for you.
Me, I need my oatmeal with fruit and cashew of almond or coconut milk, my homemade mocha, and my protein on lifting days, because otherwise I am not a very nice person.
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I try to be. Just had breakfast about an hour ago.
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CaptBligh001 wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »Snip... The issue is insisting that not eating breakfast is harmful in some way, which is clearly false.
Once again it seems like several of the studies quoted contradict that assertion
for example- May 24, 2012:
A 16-year study from Harvard of nearly 30,000 subjects found that men who skip breakfast are 21% more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily.
A reasonable person would conclude that increasing your risk of Type 2 diabetes could be considered "harmful in some way"- July 15, 2013:
A study from Harvard University School of Public Health published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that women who skip breakfast have a 20% higher risk of being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily.
Just in case you thought it only applied to men- June 17, 2013:
A study from the University of Minnesota found that people who eat breakfast regularly have a significantly lower risk of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes compared with subjects who routinely skip breakfast
Once again I would assume that a reasonable person would conclude that increasing your risk factor for obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes could be considered "harmful in some way"
Once again, the information has been provided, No one is trying to force you or anyone else to do anything you don't want to do. It's up to you to decide what to do with this knowledge and information. But telling someone that there is no scientific basis for eating breakfasts is not only irresponsible as best I can tell it contradicts the established scientific consensus on the subject.
Where's the links to these peer reviewed studies? All we have to go off of is your interpretation.
I would not even think of skipping breakfast because I love it so much, but it has nil to do with weight loss. Really, it's preference only.0 - May 24, 2012:
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Where's the links to these peer reviewed studies? All we have to go off of is your interpretation.
I would not even think of skipping breakfast because I love it so much, but it has nil to do with weight loss. Really, it's preference only.
Up until about a year and a half ago I never ate breakfast, In fact I still have a hard time eating first thing in the morning when I wake up. But just like doing push-ups first thing in the morning I've trained myself to do it. By the way doing push-ups first thing every morning while I wait for my water to boil is probably one of the best habits I've ever developed.
I do between 150-200 push-ups a day, If I can get my wife to sit on my shoulders while I do them then I can drop it down to about 50. 10 years ago I was involved in a bicycle accident that severely injured my back, legs and knees, I was in a chair for almost a year, I couldn't even get up to go to the bathroom without help. The Dr's all told me I would be lucky to walk a mile without a cane let alone ever run one again. This week I ran my first mile and I can walk 10 miles without a cane and do 50 push-ups with my wife sitting on my back, Not bad for an old man who just a year and a half ago weighed in at nearly 300 pounds and couldn't get out of bed or up from a chair or walk to the bathroom without help. The only way I was able to do this was by developing good habits and breaking bad ones.
"All we have to go off of is your interpretation"
Those aren't my interpretations, Those are actual quotes from the abstract descriptions, I just added the journal publish dates to make it easier to find the abstract. I already provided the search link to pubmed where these abstracts can be found. I didn't do all the work for you, It's up to you to narrow the search because there are over 700 pages in the search index when you search pubmed for a simple term like "skipping breakfast" Far to much research materiel for anyone person to parse, once again the reason for the dates.
"it's preference"
I agree eating breakfast is a personal decision. But like all dietary habits it should be a well informed decision not one based on someone else's subjective personal opinion. Just like smoking and drinking, as long as you are well informed and understand the difference between subjective personal opinion as apposed to credible scientific research and understand and accept the risk's then it's your choice but denying the risks or worse yet telling others there is no risk or scientific basis for eating breakfast is not only irresponsible its contradicts the established scientific consensus on the subject..
"but it has nil to do with weight loss."
Again the key word here is SAFE weight loss..
As I have shown, scientific research has shown that people who eat breakfast regularly have a significantly lower risk of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes compared with people who routinely skip breakfast.
Therefore developing or advocating a dietary habit that increase's a persons risk of a heart attack, obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes doesn't fall under the definition of "safe" weight loss by any stretch of the imagination.- July 28, 2013:
According to a 16 year study of nearly 27,000 participants by Harvard University, men who skip breakfast have a 27 percent higher risk of heart attack or death from coronary heart disease. - May 24, 2012:
A 16-year study from Harvard of nearly 30,000 subjects found that men who skip breakfast are 21% more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily. - July 15, 2013:
A study from Harvard University School of Public Health published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that women who skip breakfast have a 20% higher risk of being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily. - June 17, 2013:
A study from the University of Minnesota found that people who eat breakfast regularly have a significantly lower risk of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes compared with subjects who routinely skip breakfast
Once again, the scientific information on the subject has been provided, I've even provided a link to the largest source of published research on this subject, No one is trying to force you or anyone else into doing anything you don't want to do.
Just like smoking and drinking once you're informed of the risks It's up to you to decide what to do with this knowledge and information. But telling someone that there is no scientific basis for eating breakfasts is not only irresponsible, again as best I can tell it contradicts the established scientific consensus on the subject.
My goal here was not to force anyone to do something they didn't want to do or to insult anyone anymore then they may have insulted someone else as I don't believe in double standards and hypocrisy. I merely intended to proved a scientific answer from a credible and authoritative source as a means of challenging those who were presenting their own personal subjective opinions as fact. Judging from the responses it unfortunately appears as though I may have bruised a few egos in the process and for that I apologize.0 - July 28, 2013:
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Full text of the study in question...
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/128/4/337.full
A few sticking points...We totaled the number of responses to calculate a participant’s eating frequency per day. Because some men who reported skipping breakfast also reported that they ate before breakfast (3%) or between breakfast and lunch (20%), we defined breakfast as a positive response to any of the first 3 eating times (before breakfast, breakfast, between breakfast and lunch) to differentiate those who broke fast from those who did not break fast. We defined late-night eating as a positive response to eating after going to bed.Participants who did not report eating breakfast were younger than those who did and were more likely to be smokers, to work full time, to be unmarried, to be less physically active, and to drink more alcoholResults for the breakfast and late-night eating analyses were not materially altered by further adjustment for each other, stress, aspirin use, antidepressant medication, daily number of cigarettes among smokers, body weight change every 4 years, and specific dietary components such as folate, whole grains, fiber, or saturated fat.
And the conclusion...We observed in this large, prospective study of middle-aged and older US male health professionals that breakfast eating was associated with a lowered risk of CHD. Our study is the first to assess eating habits in relation to CHD, and the associations we report are significant but modest, requiring replication. If replicated in women and other ethno-cultural groups, the findings from the present study provide evidence to support a recommendation of daily breakfast eating by clinicians and health authorities to prevent CHD and to improve health at both the individual and population levels.
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Oh good grief, you're comparing preference to breakfast with smoking? Please tell me anything good about smoking besides being a shareholder in the tobacco industry?
And you still haven't answered my question about timing of meals in 12 hours fasts.
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »tspencer824 wrote: »Yes, it is TERRIBLE for you. Your body just went 8 or more hours without food. You have to nourish your body and mind for a productive day. Eat some eggs and oats daily. This is easy. You will get used to it.
You're kinda bossy. Please put your internet down.
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I'm still seeing no response to the articles I posted indicating the positive benefits of extended fasting periods.
You can't say the science supports your position if you're going to ignore all the science that refutes it.0 -
Again, correlation being used a proof.CaptBligh001 wrote: »
Where's the links to these peer reviewed studies? All we have to go off of is your interpretation.
I would not even think of skipping breakfast because I love it so much, but it has nil to do with weight loss. Really, it's preference only.
Up until about a year and a half ago I never ate breakfast, In fact I still have a hard time eating first thing in the morning when I wake up. But just like doing push-ups first thing in the morning I've trained myself to do it. By the way doing push-ups first thing every morning while I wait for my water to boil is probably one of the best habits I've ever developed.
I do between 150-200 push-ups a day, If I can get my wife to sit on my shoulders while I do them then I can drop it down to about 50. 10 years ago I was involved in a bicycle accident that severely injured my back, legs and knees, I was in a chair for almost a year, I couldn't even get up to go to the bathroom without help. The Dr's all told me I would be lucky to walk a mile without a cane let alone ever run one again. This week I ran my first mile and I can walk 10 miles without a cane and do 50 push-ups with my wife sitting on my back, Not bad for an old man who just a year and a half ago weighed in at nearly 300 pounds and couldn't get out of bed or up from a chair or walk to the bathroom without help. The only way I was able to do this was by developing good habits and breaking bad ones.
"All we have to go off of is your interpretation"
Those aren't my interpretations, Those are actual quotes from the abstract descriptions, I just added the journal publish dates to make it easier to find the abstract. I already provided the search link to pubmed where these abstracts can be found. I didn't do all the work for you, It's up to you to narrow the search because there are over 700 pages in the search index when you search pubmed for a simple term like "skipping breakfast" Far to much research materiel for anyone person to parse, once again the reason for the dates.
"it's preference"
I agree eating breakfast is a personal decision. But like all dietary habits it should be a well informed decision not one based on someone else's subjective personal opinion. Just like smoking and drinking, as long as you are well informed and understand the difference between subjective personal opinion as apposed to credible scientific research and understand and accept the risk's then it's your choice but denying the risks or worse yet telling others there is no risk or scientific basis for eating breakfast is not only irresponsible its contradicts the established scientific consensus on the subject..
"but it has nil to do with weight loss."
Again the key word here is SAFE weight loss..
As I have shown, scientific research has shown that people who eat breakfast regularly have a significantly lower risk of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes compared with people who routinely skip breakfast.
Therefore developing or advocating a dietary habit that increase's a persons risk of a heart attack, obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes doesn't fall under the definition of "safe" weight loss by any stretch of the imagination.- July 28, 2013:
According to a 16 year study of nearly 27,000 participants by Harvard University, men who skip breakfast have a 27 percent higher risk of heart attack or death from coronary heart disease. - May 24, 2012:
A 16-year study from Harvard of nearly 30,000 subjects found that men who skip breakfast are 21% more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily. - July 15, 2013:
A study from Harvard University School of Public Health published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that women who skip breakfast have a 20% higher risk of being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily. - June 17, 2013:
A study from the University of Minnesota found that people who eat breakfast regularly have a significantly lower risk of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes compared with subjects who routinely skip breakfast
Once again, the scientific information on the subject has been provided, I've even provided a link to the largest source of published research on this subject, No one is trying to force you or anyone else into doing anything you don't want to do.
Just like smoking and drinking once you're informed of the risks It's up to you to decide what to do with this knowledge and information. But telling someone that there is no scientific basis for eating breakfasts is not only irresponsible, again as best I can tell it contradicts the established scientific consensus on the subject.
My goal here was not to force anyone to do something they didn't want to do or to insult anyone anymore then they may have insulted someone else as I don't believe in double standards and hypocrisy. I merely intended to proved a scientific answer from a credible and authoritative source as a means of challenging those who were presenting their own personal subjective opinions as fact. Judging from the responses it unfortunately appears as though I may have bruised a few egos in the process and for that I apologize.
Let's look at statistics. 65% of the people in the US are overweight or obese. What percentage don't eat breakfast? I'm betting more do than don't. I don't ever recall ever meeting any overweight/obese client NOT eating breakfast. ALL of them did, but many breakfasts were 500-700 calories and higher. And I'm only dealing with a small percentage of people TRYING to lose weight. There are a majority who don't bother with it at all.
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Conspiracy19 wrote: »I'm very rarely hungry in the morning but you always hear people saying how breakfast is the most important meal of the day. I just always go slightly over my calories if I eat breakfast and don't if I skip it. So, is skipping it really that bad?
Nope.
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I'm going to be the snarky person and say everyone eats breakfast. My grandma gets up at 7 and has breakfast at 2 and it is usually ice cream.
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Conspiracy19 wrote: »I'm very rarely hungry in the morning but you always hear people saying how breakfast is the most important meal of the day. I just always go slightly over my calories if I eat breakfast and don't if I skip it. So, is skipping it really that bad?
Don't eat if you aren't hungry, eat when you are
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accidentalpancake wrote: »I'm still seeing no response to the articles I posted indicating the positive benefits of extended fasting periods.
You can't say the science supports your position if you're going to ignore all the science that refutes it.
First of all you are comparing apples to oranges, and second I don't see any credible studies posted that refutes anything in the Harvard studies. But then again there have been literally 10's of 1000s of studies on this subject which makes it very easy for people to cherry pick data much like the Tobacco apologist did while trying to spread doubt and disinformation regarding Tobacco use. This is why I used that analogy and which is exactly why I don't personally interpret scientific data. I merely post quotes from the abstracts which are written by the study authors.
Furthermore no insult intended and with all do respect I seriously doubt you, nor I or anyone else here is educated or qualified enough to interpret the data in these studies, So if you are attempting to interpret data then excuse me if I don't place a high degree of confidence in your personal interpretation of said data. Again that's why I defer to the experts and the standing scientific consensus on the subject.. Keep in mind that not all research studies are created equal. The studies I quoted were performed by highly credible researchers by one of the worlds most respected institutions. These studies spanned 16 years with over 30,000 test subjects and they are 1000's of pages long..
Once again the facts as written by the experts who preformed the studies- July 28, 2013:
A 16 year study of nearly 27,000 participants by Harvard University, men who skip breakfast have a 27 percent higher risk of heart attack or death from coronary heart disease. - May 24, 2012:
A 16-year study from Harvard of nearly 30,000 subjects found that men who skip breakfast are 21% more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily. - July 15, 2013:
A study from Harvard University School of Public Health published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that women who skip breakfast have a 20% higher risk of being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily. - June 17, 2013:
A study from the University of Minnesota found that people who eat breakfast regularly have a significantly lower risk of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes compared with subjects who routinely skip breakfast
Once again I'm astounded that I actually found anyone who would challenge the validity of these scientific studies and try and interpret them in a manner contradictory to the official conclusion of the study authors. As far as the scientific community and experts are concerned the science is pretty much settled yet here we are, Next thing I know if I say the world is a globe people here will argue that the earth is flat and post links to the flat earth society as proof.
Once again let me clarify that I was responding to people claiming that there is no scientific evidence that supports the claim that skipping breakfast is unhealthy.
Quite the contrary as I have shown there is substantial data backing up this finding. Whether you agree with the results of these scientific study's or not it's irresponsible and dishonest to tell someone that there is no valid scientific research or reason for eating breakfast. The honest and honorable thing to do is provide them with the best available data and let them make up their own mind, which is exactly what I've been trying to do...
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Repeating the same things over and over without even linking to the studies you're talking about isn't exactly a good way to discuss a topic.
Also you're not adressing the fact that this is only correlation.
"Studies found that more people are drowning at air temperatures above 30°C." Therefore everyone should only go swim when it's cold?0
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