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I always hated to eat breakfast since I was a kid, I am never hungry in the morning either. I began eating breakfast, and I found out that it works good for me because I work out. I've done the IF diet, but its basically starving yourself, I don't care what anyone says, and when you do that you will lose weight, but end up skinny fat--in particular for females because we carry more fat than males. Good luck. Eat what you can when you can nutritious foods.0
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I found this one.
There are studies on meal timing for adults, but from the ones I've seen, they've been on "questionaires" of how people ate during the study. Yes, they measured weight before and after between a couple of groups that ate an "early" lunch vs a "late" lunch (3 hour difference), but there was no monitoring on whether or not both groups were eating the SAME lunch.Yea, I hate that to when they start insulting others. They just repeat over and over the same thing and ignore what others are trying to say. Always interesting to look at "number of posts" to get a little insight.
A growing kid is completely different that adults so yes, I insisted on eating breakfast. All three college grads now (well last one has semester yet) so all is well and healthy, strong, average weight. We also encouraged sports.
It would be interesting to see studies done more on the food eaten and meal timing *for adults. B.f foods eaten at lunch. Hard to search that, but trying to find it.
I don't think you'll find anything any different than that meal timing doesn't matter much for weight loss. Maybe for cognitive issues though.
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Starving oneself would be inadequately eating an being malnourished. If someone is getting in the right amount of calories per day and the essentials needed, regardless if they eat breakfast or not, one could do IF for 15 hours. You don't have to care what anyone says about it, but eating breakfast is more a matter of preference for most.unmatcheddiscipline wrote: »I always hated to eat breakfast since I was a kid, I am never hungry in the morning either. I began eating breakfast, and I found out that it works good for me because I work out. I've done the IF diet, but its basically starving yourself, I don't care what anyone says, and when you do that you will lose weight, but end up skinny fat--in particular for females because we carry more fat than males. Good luck. Eat what you can when you can nutritious foods.
Lots of professional, amateur, figure, bikini and fitness competitors do IF. How are they skinny fat?
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unmatcheddiscipline wrote: »I always hated to eat breakfast since I was a kid, I am never hungry in the morning either. I began eating breakfast, and I found out that it works good for me because I work out. I've done the IF diet, but its basically starving yourself, I don't care what anyone says, and when you do that you will lose weight, but end up skinny fat--in particular for females because we carry more fat than males. Good luck. Eat what you can when you can nutritious foods.
Sorry but that is not the way IF works. It IS eating your daily calories in a smaller window of time.
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Starving oneself would be inadequately eating an being malnourished. If someone is getting in the right amount of calories per day and the essentials needed, regardless if they eat breakfast or not, one could do IF for 15 hours. You don't have to care what anyone says about it, but eating breakfast is more a matter of preference for most.unmatcheddiscipline wrote: »I always hated to eat breakfast since I was a kid, I am never hungry in the morning either. I began eating breakfast, and I found out that it works good for me because I work out. I've done the IF diet, but its basically starving yourself, I don't care what anyone says, and when you do that you will lose weight, but end up skinny fat--in particular for females because we carry more fat than males. Good luck. Eat what you can when you can nutritious foods.
Lots of professional, amateur, figure, bikini and fitness competitors do IF. How are they skinny fat?
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Yeah, what he said. lol
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What it boils down to is personal preference and what does and doesn't work for people. The only constant factor in weight loss for everyone is eating less than you burn because that's scientific fact.
Everything else, all the variables on how you achieve that goal, are based on personal preference, body type and health. There is no one-size fits all solution and there is no one rule, other than calories in-out that applies to everyone.
I don't eat from about 7-8:00 p.m. to between noon and 1:00p.m. the next day. It works for me and I have had zero health issues from doing so. I tend to do my treadmill workouts before I eat anything, maybe half before and half after I eat. My cholesterol has come down to normal and my energy levels are actually higher today than I ever remember them being since I was a kid. Oh, and I've lost 26 pounds since March 1, so skipping breakfast or IF or whatever certainly doesn't do anything to hinder weight loss or cause health problems for ME. I cannot speak for everyone and I cannot say you shouldn't eat breakfast because of my results or because of what some blog somewhere says.
It's like bugs under my skin when people come in here and say "Do this or don't do that and never do that but always do this because if you don't do what I say, bad things! Baaaad things!!" Just because something does or doesn't work for some folks doesn't make it the end solution for everyone.0 -
Like other people have said, it depends on the person. I'm usually starving in the morning and if I don't eat, then I pig out at lunch or I start munching on the junk food in the office. It's bad.
It's my worst habit and I'm trying to quit it. I've already quit drinking coffee (I had to cut my caffeine intake for health reasons), but this is my next step.0 -
unmatcheddiscipline wrote: »I always hated to eat breakfast since I was a kid, I am never hungry in the morning either. I began eating breakfast, and I found out that it works good for me because I work out. I've done the IF diet, but its basically starving yourself, I don't care what anyone says, and when you do that you will lose weight, but end up skinny fat--in particular for females because we carry more fat than males. Good luck. Eat what you can when you can nutritious foods.
Lol what. IF is eating the same amount of food just pushing the first meal till noon.0 -
I always go to bed slightly hungry so I wake up really hungry and have breakfast when I get to work, around 3 - 4 hours after waking up. I couldn't start my day without my "Breakfast salad". How about this... if you feel hungry eat. If you don't, don't. Wow... such a simple concept that so many people fail to grasp. Oh well, to each their own. Starvation mode? yeah go talk about starvation mode to Ghandi. A guy I know fasted for 30 days and lost close to 50 lbs in the process. His body didn't hang onto anything nor was he skinny/fat. One thing is for sure, whatever you do nutrtion wise now will change in a month or so. It's a constant game of tweaking your nutrients, foods, times, etc.0
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Save your calories and eat when you are actually hungry.0
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These are great if you consider "correlation" as "causation". Now please post a peer reviewed study showing that a person in calorie deficit/maintenance skipping breakfast is going to gain weight and get obese as the actual result?CaptBligh001 wrote: »
I read the first 3 articles from your search:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26088558
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26102907
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26109287
None of these are telling me why I MUST eat first thing in the morning. None of these are telling me what will go wrong if I don't.
Nobody is suggesting that you starve yourself. Nobody is suggesting that you shouldn't meet your nutritional needs. People are just saying you do not have to eat first thing if you don't want to.
Well there are over 700 pages of studies in the particular search I provided, Not every listed study is applicable to our discussion. I figured people here might just be intelligent and honest enough to filter the abstracts and find the studies most appropriate to the discussion at hand.
Here's just a small hand full of quotes from the abstracts of just some of the listed studies.- June 9, 2014:
A study from the University of Bath (UK) found that people who eat breakfast burn more calories throughout the day and have tighter blood sugar control than test subjects who skipped breakfast. - July 28, 2013:
According to a 16 year study of nearly 27,000 participants by Harvard University, men who skip breakfast have a 27 percent higher risk of heart attack or death from coronary heart disease. - June 17, 2013:
According to a University of Colorado study, overweight women who skip breakfast are prone to impaired metabolic responses (unhealthy spikes in insulin and glucose levels) after eating lunch. - July 15, 2013:
A study from Harvard University School of Public Health published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that women who skip breakfast have a 20% higher risk of being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily. - June 17, 2013:
A study from the University of Minnesota found that people who eat breakfast regularly have a significantly lower risk of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes compared with subjects who routinely skip breakfast - March 29, 2013:
A University of Missouri-Columbia study indicated that young people who eat a protein-rich breakfast are less likely to indulge in unhealthy snacking later in the day. - February 10, 2013:
A study from the University of Pennsylvania School of Nursing showed children who regularly eat breakfast get significantly higher scores in verbal and performance IQ tests. - October 9, 2012:
A study presented at the Learning Connection Summit demonstrated that brain scans of children who eat breakfast show more activity than scans of children who skip breakfast. - July 5, 2012:
Researchers at Cornell University found that people who skip breakfast tend to crave more carbohydrates later in the day compared with test subjects who ate breakfast. - June 14, 2012:
A study from the University of Minnesota School of Public Health found that people who eat breakfast everyday are 34% less likely to develop type 2 diabetes than those who do not eat breakfast. They are also 43% less likely to become obese and 40% less likely to develop fat around the belly. - May 24, 2012:
A 16-year study from Harvard of nearly 30,000 subjects found that men who skip breakfast are 21% more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than those who eat breakfast daily. - May 11, 2012:
A study of 6,000 students from the Toronto Foundation for Student Success found that students who ate breakfast had better grades and were more likely to graduate. - March 10, 2012:
A new study from the Sussex Innovation Centre, Brighton, UK found that eating breakfast improves people's mental performance. 61% of test subjects showed improvements in English and mathematics tests after eating breakfast. Hand-eye coordination was also improved. Breakfast eaters also showed a reduction in anxiety levels when faced with stressful situations. - November 28, 2011:
A study from the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center found that adult women trying to diet are more successful if they eat a healthy breakfast and avoid mid-morning snacks. - April 30, 2002:
Researchers from the National Weight Control Registry, a database of more than 3,000 people who have lost at least 60 pounds and kept it off for an average of 6 years, found that eating breakfast every day was a weight control strategy for 78% of the people in the registry. People who kept off weight long-term also reported eating a low-fat diet and exercising for an hour or more each day. - August 6, 2003:
A study reported by the "Journal of the American College of Nutrition" found that eating cereal (either ready-to-eat or cooked) for breakfast is associated with significantly lower body mass index than either skipping breakfast or eating meats and/or eggs. - August 6, 2014:
A study from the University of Missouri found that young people who eat a high protein breakfast had noticeable reductions in cravings for sweets later in the day. Additional findings indicated that those eating a high protein breakfast may have better regulation of dopamine, the chemical in the brain that regulates food motivation and reward.
Is that enough, most of those are recent between 2014 and 2011. I chose one or two from as far back as 2002 because they were significant, If that's not enough I post more, like I said there are over 700 pages worth..
Regardless of what times and how many meals someone eats (whether it's 1 or 7 in a day) if someone is in calorie deficit or maintenance, weight gain isn't going to be an issue. Oh and if they are meeting their macro/micro nutrient goals while doing it, there's little chance that they are malnourished.
Notice how I did that without trying to be insulting?
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Exactly what I was thinking. Correlation is NOT causation.
1st study - 'people who eat breakfast burn more calories' - perhaps because more people who eat breakfast are obese, and thus burn more calories? Maybe those in the study who ate breakfast were taller, weighed more? In general, everyone burns different amounts of calories. Not a well done study.
2nd - 'breakfast skippers have more heart disease' this means nothing. Maybe people with blue hair are more likely to be drug users (more likely to be hippies?
just kidding!) but this does not mean that someone dying their hair blue turned them into a drug user. Again, they just took a group of breakfast skippers and none skippers and asked them questions. It means nothing.
3rd - 'overweight women who skip breakfast have impaired metabolic responses'. Again, this really doesn't mean anything. Overweight women who skip breakfast are more likely to be trying to lose weight (again, correlation) and thus are more likely to be diabetic or have PCOS, both of which change metabolism. The 4th study doesn't even deserve its own section. Some who skip breakfast are doing so in a bid to lose weight and thus are more likely to be overweight... and get type 2 diabetes. I just skip breakfast because I've never wanted to eat it.
The one that really annoyed me was 'A study from the University of Pennsylvania School of Nursing showed children who regularly eat breakfast get significantly higher scores in verbal and performance IQ tests.' Well, DUH. That's not to do with breakfast, it's to do with class and money. Kids who do not eat breakfast usually come from a family who either cannot afford to feed their kids breakfast, or don't care enough to give their kids breakfast - either way, more likely working class families. Children from these families do worse in school in general. Nowt to do with breakfast.
Furthermore, some of these studies contradict each other! One says eating cereal/carbs for breakfast is linked to lower BMI, compared to a protein breakfast... and then the next one says that eating protein, not carbs, reduces calorie consumption through the day? Make up your mind!
I could go on and debunk each one, but the general idea is... correlation, not causation. I have not eaten breakfast since I was about 12, and I am a healthy, happy, intelligent young woman who has lost 60lbs in the last year (and yes, I was overweight as a child when I DID eat breakfast, too. It's personal preference.)0 - June 9, 2014:
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I like to learn and grow and I feel persuaded. I shall be eating breakfast from now on - before this thread I was one of those who would have said it did not matter.
I don't think anyone on this thread does not grasp the concept that we also need to be in a calorie deficit and that breakfast eating is not a miracle route to eat-what-you-like-land...
BUT
... if we read a few papers and take on board the idea that we might be able to control our energy levels better and reduce cravings by eating breakfast, why not give it a chance?
I have never been fond of rigid thinking on either side of the fence. If we had not all been able to give up other well loved ideas (like dietary fat is of the devil) we would all be stuck in the past doing a whole lot of silly things.
It is ok to change your mind after weighing the evidence. It is ok to admit that you might be wrong.
Bear in mind, that for some of us, the secret to controlling appetite is to delay breakfast.
For some people, an early breakfast seems to turn on an appetite switch. When you're eating a limited amount of food, this can be a problem.
I personally find my appetite is much better controlled when I delay breakfast. Other people find the opposite. Don't go by what studies say is supposed to happen when it comes to you in this regard. Go by your own experience.
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There used to be a poster here who HATED breakfast. Every post he made - every single one - was all about how horrible breakfast is and how you don't need it, etc. The guy was kind of on a mission to eliminate breakfast.
I wonder if he's on some other board now, trying to get them to stop eating breakfast.
Search for old posts and you'll find all the horrors of breakfast you want to find.0 -
None of us skip breakfast. Breakfast is the first meal of the day, whether it's soup or cereal, and no matter what time of the day we choose to have our first meal of the day. Sometimes my first meal of the day is at 1pm and it's a taco. It's BREAK-FAST still.
Don't over think it. Ditch all the freakin rules and just do what is right for you.0 -
CaptBligh001 wrote: »schandler1011 wrote: »You don't want to skip breakfast because overnight your body goes into the fasting mode, that is why you "break" it. snip........
Fail.
You lost weight because you are in a caloric deficit.
Fail ? think Not !! the only fail here is yours, What was posted is almost a verbatim quote from an abstract of a 2013 study published in the British Journal of Nutrition, I'll see if I can find it meanwhile Livestrong references this study as well.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/292033-side-effects-of-not-eating-breakfast/LiveStrong wrote:Obesity and its ensuing complications -- such as diabetes, infertility and heart disease -- are some of the biggest concerns of the 21st century. Skipping breakfast may increase your risk of obesity or make it harder to lose weight. The Weight-control Information Network reports that if you eat breakfast you are less likely to overeat throughout the rest of the day. Since you fast overnight while sleeping, forgoing breakfast adds to this fasting period and may disrupt blood sugar balance and insulin output. Skipping breakfast may also trigger bad eating habits throughout the day, as cravings ensue and quick-fix fast foods are often sought out. Furthermore, eating breakfast boosts your metabolism and increases your energy throughout the day. A study in the August 2013 issue of the "British Journal of Nutrition" reports that when you do not eat breakfast, your energy is reduced and physical activity levels decline.
LOL just seeing this. I failed how? Because you posted an article that reinforced the fact that a deficit is what causes weight loss??0 -
californiagirl2012 wrote: »None of us skip breakfast. Breakfast is the first meal of the day, whether it's soup or cereal, and no matter what time of the day we choose to have our first meal of the day. Sometimes my first meal of the day is at 1pm and it's a taco. It's BREAK-FAST still.
Don't over think it. Ditch all the freakin rules and just do what is right for you.
GOOD point, miss! Whenever you break your fast is when you eat breakfast!
Also, many people on here are so defensive they don't even realize we're saying "no, you don't HAVE to eat breakfast", not "if you eat breakfast you'll get fat".0 -
Just came in to chime in that I wish I had OP's problem and weren't hungry in the morning. If I don't eat something within an hour or two of waking, I feel like committing murder-suicide, I don't care if I love the persons near me, they're either grabbing me a coffee and an egg sandwich, or they're going down with me.0
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While true, when people speak of breakfast, the assumption is consumption of food in the AM and before noon. Literally what you say is correct though.californiagirl2012 wrote: »None of us skip breakfast. Breakfast is the first meal of the day, whether it's soup or cereal, and no matter what time of the day we choose to have our first meal of the day. Sometimes my first meal of the day is at 1pm and it's a taco. It's BREAK-FAST still.
Don't over think it. Ditch all the freakin rules and just do what is right for you.
The debate here is the "downfall" of people who don't consume food in an allotted time before noon.
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