Diet is being challenged.. what to do?
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How did this get hijacked?
OP, if you come back, you'll be dealing with events like this for the rest of your life, so it is important to find a way to cope with them. I would have a few chips, have a sandwich. Make it fit into your daily goal, and enjoy it.
Totally agree, what you are worried about is called life. Your going to be invited to parties, wedding,etc... no need to stress out or come up with some sort of a game plan just have fun, remember its all about a calorie deficit so size up what they offer and try to fit it into your calorie goal, if you go over a bit its not defeat its one day, tomorrow you will be right back at it.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »Kaelan1995 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »It's all about caloric deficit, NOT, giving up foods. Also, I'm sorry but I don't understand the "no wheat bread" reference.
Sorry, should have been more specific. Someone told me to NEVER eat plain white bread.. it would cause you to gain weight like crazy. So i have been eating whole grain, wheat bread.. (the brown kind) because it hasn't been bleached.
So not true. I refuse to give up white bread and I have lost 59 pounds.Matter of fact I have bread pretty much every day.
Sure...but the OP has a medical condition. He needs to be on a reduced-carb diet.
You can't compare your experience to his.
Did I totally miss where OP stated a medical condition?
He posted it in another thread. He is pre-diabetic.
He is not yet diabetic, and is taking action to keep it that way? So no medical condition?
OP has an A1c of 6.7. 6.7 is equivalent to a blood glucose of 146 mg/dL. Not horrible but it is elevated. Besides, his blood glucose must spike pretty high in order to have an A1c of 6.7.
Whether or not he is diabetic doesn't matter because he still has an elevated blood glucose. Hyperglycemia is a medical condition.
Are you a diabetes specialist now
Not that one is needed if he was diagnosed as pre-diabetic and advised to lose weight
Irrelevant information is...irrelevant...
Since I have an insulinoma, hyperinsulinemia, and hypoglycemia and have worked closely with endocrinologists and dietitians specialized in diabetes management for the past 3 years, I'd say that I know what I'm talking about. However if you don't like what I have to say, you can see for yourself here: 1) http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10209090/can-i-still-lose-wight-with-insulin-resistance 2) http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/a1c-test/basics/results/prc-20012585
No thanks
OP said he had been diagnosed with pre-diabetes which is good enough for me
I think your further internet diagnosis is perhaps unwarranted
Exactly what I told you the first time.
Stating the info I learned in nursing school and while in clinical regarding an A1c higher than 6.4 is not 'irrelevant' or 'unwarranted.' You asked a question and I gave you numbers to back it up.
Don't like it? Don't ask next time.
Nope
I questioned whether pre-diabetes was a medical condition because it's not, it's a warning
I did not offer a diagnosis online because, if I was medically trained, I would know that was highly inappropriate0 -
How did this get hijacked?
OP, if you come back, you'll be dealing with events like this for the rest of your life, so it is important to find a way to cope with them. I would have a few chips, have a sandwich. Make it fit into your daily goal, and enjoy it.
QFT... use today as a learning experience and develop strategies for coping with this and similar circumstances. It's all part of the planning that will help to ensure long-term success...
As for today - eat what you want, own it, log it, and move on - tomorrow is another day.
Best of luck!0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »Kaelan1995 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »It's all about caloric deficit, NOT, giving up foods. Also, I'm sorry but I don't understand the "no wheat bread" reference.
Sorry, should have been more specific. Someone told me to NEVER eat plain white bread.. it would cause you to gain weight like crazy. So i have been eating whole grain, wheat bread.. (the brown kind) because it hasn't been bleached.
So not true. I refuse to give up white bread and I have lost 59 pounds.Matter of fact I have bread pretty much every day.
Sure...but the OP has a medical condition. He needs to be on a reduced-carb diet.
You can't compare your experience to his.
Did I totally miss where OP stated a medical condition?
He posted it in another thread. He is pre-diabetic.
He is not yet diabetic, and is taking action to keep it that way? So no medical condition?
OP has an A1c of 6.7. 6.7 is equivalent to a blood glucose of 146 mg/dL. Not horrible but it is elevated. Besides, his blood glucose must spike pretty high in order to have an A1c of 6.7.
Whether or not he is diabetic doesn't matter because he still has an elevated blood glucose. Hyperglycemia is a medical condition.
Are you a diabetes specialist now
Not that one is needed if he was diagnosed as pre-diabetic and advised to lose weight
Irrelevant information is...irrelevant...
Since I have an insulinoma, hyperinsulinemia, and hypoglycemia and have worked closely with endocrinologists and dietitians specialized in diabetes management for the past 3 years, I'd say that I know what I'm talking about. However if you don't like what I have to say, you can see for yourself here: 1) http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10209090/can-i-still-lose-wight-with-insulin-resistance 2) http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/a1c-test/basics/results/prc-20012585
No thanks
OP said he had been diagnosed with pre-diabetes which is good enough for me
I think your further internet diagnosis is perhaps unwarranted
Exactly what I told you the first time.
Stating the info I learned in nursing school and while in clinical regarding an A1c higher than 6.4 is not 'irrelevant' or 'unwarranted.' You asked a question and I gave you numbers to back it up.
Don't like it? Don't ask next time.
Nope
I questioned whether pre-diabetes was a medical condition because it's not, it's a warning
I did not offer a diagnosis online because, if I was medically trained, I would know that was highly inappropriate
I never offered a diagnosis. I simply stated that the Mayo Clinic claims an A1c of 6.7 is full-blown type 2 diabetes- which is also what I was taught in nursing school.
Better luck next time trying to twist my words.
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A sandwich with no bread? Come on. It's a party! Just don't pig out (much) and you'll be fine. Bread on a sandwich will not hurt you, and neither will doritos. Better yet, put doritos ON the sandwich. You'll probably wind up with a smaller portion than if you put a pile on your plate, plus doritos just belong on sandwiches. It's magical.0
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I donut generally carry grudges and am not mad. It doesn't have to become a big thing. I donut want that.
Thank you for pointing out my typo. I've edited it.
Despite our back and forth earlier, I hope you know it was all in fun. I donut want you to be mad at me. It was just funny cause the sentence it was in... It was subliminal marketing...
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OP, let us know what you decide to do!
People always post stuff like this and then we never hear the end of the story. If you don't get back until it's over. tell us what you decided and how it worked out. Please.0 -
Op just remember no matter how many sandwiches or chips you had just log everything. The data will help you later on. Be honest about it. It's your diary.0
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Kaelan1995 wrote: »
What do i do?
I think I'd *definitely* try to quit being so neurotic about diet, right?
That's what I'd do.
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azulvioleta6 wrote: »Kaelan1995 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »It's all about caloric deficit, NOT, giving up foods. Also, I'm sorry but I don't understand the "no wheat bread" reference.
Sorry, should have been more specific. Someone told me to NEVER eat plain white bread.. it would cause you to gain weight like crazy. So i have been eating whole grain, wheat bread.. (the brown kind) because it hasn't been bleached.
So not true. I refuse to give up white bread and I have lost 59 pounds.Matter of fact I have bread pretty much every day.
Sure...but the OP has a medical condition. He needs to be on a reduced-carb diet.
You can't compare your experience to his.
PRE=BEFORE!
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Hello everyone, i am back from the party now. Luckily, my brother had a food scale at his house so i measured everything out, and wrote down everything i ate to count calories when i got home. Would have done it right there but service was spotty and the wifi was down. I had two mini sandwiches, there was a small loaf of french bread so i measured out 5 oz of it. All in all today, I've had 1,125 calories and going to stop there. Someone asked why was i eating such a low number of calories; because i feel like it's working for me. My doctor didn't give me a certain amount of calories to stay under so i am just doing what feels right for me personally. Of course, i would love to have more food than what i am eating, but my body usually tells me when enough food is enough. I tried a diet back in Jan.2014, and did it completely wrong. I was starving myself, eating under 500 calories a day for 2 weeks.. finally caved at the sight of a can of Betty Crocker frosting and a pack of Chips Ahoy. I realize that i should have been eating a lot more and am doing better this time around. I feel like i have such a strong mindset now, that nothing can stop me. I am stepping on the scale for the first time since i started my diet.. so wish me luck!0
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Kaelan1995 wrote: »Hello everyone, i am back from the party now. Luckily, my brother had a food scale at his house so i measured everything out, and wrote down everything i ate to count calories when i got home. Would have done it right there but service was spotty and the wifi was down. I had two mini sandwiches, there was a small loaf of french bread so i measured out 5 oz of it. All in all today, I've had 1,125 calories and going to stop there. Someone asked why was i eating such a low number of calories; because i feel like it's working for me. My doctor didn't give me a certain amount of calories to stay under so i am just doing what feels right for me personally. Of course, i would love to have more food than what i am eating, but my body usually tells me when enough food is enough. I tried a diet back in Jan.2014, and did it completely wrong. I was starving myself, eating under 500 calories a day for 2 weeks.. finally caved at the sight of a can of Betty Crocker frosting and a pack of Chips Ahoy. I realize that i should have been eating a lot more and am doing better this time around. I feel like i have such a strong mindset now, that nothing can stop me. I am stepping on the scale for the first time since i started my diet.. so wish me luck!
I don't understand you've eaten 1125 calories in total?
Stop that! Eat more! Minimum for a male is 1500, for a 400lb male you would lose healthily on much more
Try to eat 2K per day, preserve your LBM, get a wide range of nutrients, don't crash & burn, don't risk gallstones or serious complications from undereating
Learn how to do this properly ...1125 is still a starvation diet
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You posted the sexy pants link twice, rabbit. Did you mean to?0
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Doh, will fix0
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Kaelan1995 wrote: »I am over one week in on my diet and haven't had any junk food, or anything fattening, or soda. However, today is my nieces birthday party and the only foods available to me today are doritos, cheese, & roast beef/ham sandwiches. No wheat bread available. I have stayed under 1,500 calories for over a week and now i have no way to count the calories in what i am eating.. don't know what to do because i feel like i will get discouraged after i eat.. like i failed. I already feel guilty. What do i do?
Have a small sandwich.
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Kaelan what @rabbitjb said and what, frankly, I also said earlier.
I don't have your height handy, but you don't look like a shorty to me. An average male in the UK is about 5ft 9". A 200lb guy like that who is totally sedentary (is active less than 35 minutes in a day) burns about 2400 Calories.
2400... not 1500.
You are 400lbs. You have more muscle and carry... an extra 200lbs than the 200lb guy does. So, if you eat 2400-2500 calories day in and day out you WILL LOSE WEIGHT--and way faster than the 2lbs a week MFP specifies.
Are you serious about losing a 200lbs? 200lbs requires you to eat about 700,000 calories less than you spend. Do you think you can generate a 700,000Cal deficit in a few months?
Sorry man, you are looking at a 2-3 years of effort and a lifetime of vigilance to not end up in the exact same spot.
BUT, guess what? If you eat 2400-2500 Calories a day you will be able to keep on doing this for a VERY LONG TIME.
Because, you know, 2400-2500Cal just happens to be the average number of calories an average male person is supposed to eat at maintenance on average anyway (if I recall the WHO figure is about 2420 or 2450)!
And you know the beauty of it? if you ever get to the point where you are no longer losing weight by eating 2500 Calories... you have the ability to eat less! What exactly are you going to do if that happens when you're eating 1500?
You have already crashed and burned on a very low calorie diet. You have a bunch of people here telling you that for you, you are right now engaged in a very low calorie diet.
There are two schools of thought:
the one where we don't believe you will succeed long term. So we tell you to eat the least you can so that you will lose some weight fast before you give up... The reasoning goes that this way you will at least have lost some weight before you gave up.
and the other school of thought where we DO believe you will succeed long term.
The speed of your weight loss is almost irrelevant compared to your continuing to plug at it it till you succeed.
Do you really think it matters much whether you reach the 200lb mark in 30 months as opposed to 38 months from now?
Isn't actually reaching it more important?
and, it is time to stop being a passenger.
"someone told me not to eat white bread". Really? Why? Why did you listen to them? Did you understand why they said that to you? Did you double check and verify what they said to you? Did you google till your fingers were hurting?
When you compare the macronutrients in white and whole wheat bread do you see a real difference? Because all I see is cosmetic and a negligible glycemic load difference too. *unless you meant whole grain, which IS slightly different*
Read the sexypants thread, and for that matter the rest of the stickies. Eat between 2000 Calories when you're not hungry and 2500 when you are hungrier and/or have exercised. Try to eat adequate amounts of protein. Base it on your eventual target weight. Probably 150g will do. Get a reasonable amount of fats in too: no less than 90g for now. And the rest whatever keeps you full longest.
If you lose the weight you have a good chance of not going into full type 2 diabetes. If you don't avoid that, you may end up having to go on a low carb diet, but, in my opinion it is harder for you to eat low carb without ever straying long term.
Move a little bit more. As much as you can. Preferably water based exercise to protect your joints. Certainly nothing more vigorous than walking on land. You need your knees for the future.
As you start losing weight you may want to look into strength training.
Eat. move. lose weight. Re-evaluate your loss and numbers every few months.
You don't need to be a gym hero and you don't need to punish yourself for your past transgressions in order to lose weight.
Take care.0 -
Kaelan1995 wrote: »Hello everyone, i am back from the party now. Luckily, my brother had a food scale at his house so i measured everything out, and wrote down everything i ate to count calories when i got home. Would have done it right there but service was spotty and the wifi was down. I had two mini sandwiches, there was a small loaf of french bread so i measured out 5 oz of it. All in all today, I've had 1,125 calories and going to stop there. Someone asked why was i eating such a low number of calories; because i feel like it's working for me. My doctor didn't give me a certain amount of calories to stay under so i am just doing what feels right for me personally. Of course, i would love to have more food than what i am eating, but my body usually tells me when enough food is enough. I tried a diet back in Jan.2014, and did it completely wrong. I was starving myself, eating under 500 calories a day for 2 weeks.. finally caved at the sight of a can of Betty Crocker frosting and a pack of Chips Ahoy. I realize that i should have been eating a lot more and am doing better this time around. I feel like i have such a strong mindset now, that nothing can stop me. I am stepping on the scale for the first time since i started my diet.. so wish me luck!
Listen to PAV and others. Eat more. You can feel fine for months while undereating (personal experience). And then one day you start feeling exhausted and burned out. And you come to your senses.
BTW, I lost hair. I really don't recommend the route you're on.0 -
It's not just hair, but your skin, your nails, your kidneys, blood pressure, bone density, heart function
VLCD are not a good pathway
Please learn0
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