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diannethegeek wrote: »
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
It's a shame that you commented on the Sugar FAQ thread without reading it. The information there might have come in useful here.
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PeachyCarol wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »atypicalsmith wrote: »Didn't realize I was judging, sorry.
I didn't feel judged.
16 ounces was my previous serving size of ice cream, so in that context, 4 ounces is not a lot. Also, I'm a lot bigger than you so get a lot more calories than you do. On ice cream days, I've usually been swimming and gardening as well.
You'd likely have better results tracking in grams than ounces. Grams are much more precise. Your 4 ounce containers of ice cream might have more or less calories than stated on the label. They should have a corresponding gram weight listed. It might be helpful to scoop them out of the container and put them into a bowl.
I started weighing prepackaged food on a whim, and boy was it a revelation!
I'm curious now and will indeed weigh it next time.
I do always use grams in recipes so as not to have to deal with fractions.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
I suspect that we have studied different things. Why don't you educate me? Compare the digestion of milk, peaches and cake frosting in detail. Don't single out just sugars, but do make sure to explain how all the sugars are identical and broken down in the same way.
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
yea, no.
sugar = sugar
sorry..
just because you want to believe that does not make it so.
I do love it when you educate us all.
Way to move the goal posts there.
Why do you do this?
No goal post moving. Perhaps you thought she meant sucrose, fructose and glucose here but she didn't specify that and could have just as easily meant the sugar in peaches vs the sugar in cake frosting.a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.0 -
Except they don't have different components and are essentially C(n)H(2n)O(n) molecules.kshama2001 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
I suspect that we have studied different things. Why don't you educate me? Compare the digestion of milk, peaches and cake frosting in detail. Don't single out just sugars, but do make sure to explain how all the sugars are identical and broken down in the same way.
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
yea, no.
sugar = sugar
sorry..
just because you want to believe that does not make it so.
I do love it when you educate us all.
Way to move the goal posts there.
Why do you do this?
No goal post moving. Perhaps you thought she meant sucrose, fructose and glucose here but she didn't specify that and could have just as easily meant the sugar in peaches vs the sugar in cake frosting.a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
The different types of sugar are converted to glucose by different enzymes, but they end up as glucose and then the body uses that glucose, regardless of source, exactly the same.
If her position is merely that different sugars are broken down by different enzymes before the resultant glucose is used by the body, I'm wondering why that's a sufficiently relevant nit to pick every time sugar comes up, given that they all end up as glucose before being used.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Where'd that 21 g come from? MFP gives me 77. If it came from your doctor, discuss with him/her.
You're right the limit is not 21, it's 45... but I pass it everyday...
Not sure why your limit is so much smaller than mine, but letting it go.
It's 15% of calories.
It's 45 grams for people on 1200.
As for why a young guy like OP seems to be is on 1200, beats me.
What does age have to do with it? I'm not quite 21 and I'm on 1200... it's about losing weight... since my start was only 20 lbs from my goal I need a larger deficit.
No...the closer to goal you are, the smaller your deficit should be, and the more accurate your logging should be. It makes it easier to transition to maintenance.
As for age - the younger you are, the more calories you burn, generally speaking. Our metabolisms slow as we age.
The closer you get to your goal the harder it is to lose weight... so it would make sense to me to need a bigger calorie deficit.
Yes, your metabolism slows as you age, however after you've gone through puberty there's not much difference between people's metobolic rates, only about 1000 kcal/day, which includes both men and women meaning that within gender there's probably only about a 600 kcal/day difference which is more dependent on lean body mass than age.0 -
It's harder to lose weight because you don't have as much fat to burn to provide energy and because measurement errors can swamp a smaller deficit. It just means you have to be more accurate, not that you need a bigger deficit.Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Where'd that 21 g come from? MFP gives me 77. If it came from your doctor, discuss with him/her.
You're right the limit is not 21, it's 45... but I pass it everyday...
Not sure why your limit is so much smaller than mine, but letting it go.
It's 15% of calories.
It's 45 grams for people on 1200.
As for why a young guy like OP seems to be is on 1200, beats me.
What does age have to do with it? I'm not quite 21 and I'm on 1200... it's about losing weight... since my start was only 20 lbs from my goal I need a larger deficit.
No...the closer to goal you are, the smaller your deficit should be, and the more accurate your logging should be. It makes it easier to transition to maintenance.
As for age - the younger you are, the more calories you burn, generally speaking. Our metabolisms slow as we age.
The closer you get to your goal the harder it is to lose weight... so it would make sense to me to need a bigger calorie deficit.
Yes, your metabolism slows as you age, however after you've gone through puberty there's not much difference between people's metobolic rates, only about 1000 kcal/day, which includes both men and women meaning that within gender there's probably only about a 600 kcal/day difference which is more dependent on lean body mass than age.
And it's typically not a 1000 calorie difference, more like 250 or less. 1000 would be pretty harsh.
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diannethegeek wrote: »
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
It's a shame that you commented on the Sugar FAQ thread without reading it. The information there might have come in useful here.
If I commented in some thread, I'm sure I read at least some of the thread. I didn't click the link the OP provided because I didn't require proof. I believed him when he said he's read that all sugars are processed the same. I read it all the time, myself. There was no reason to doubt him.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
I suspect that we have studied different things. Why don't you educate me? Compare the digestion of milk, peaches and cake frosting in detail. Don't single out just sugars, but do make sure to explain how all the sugars are identical and broken down in the same way.
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
yea, no.
sugar = sugar
sorry..
just because you want to believe that does not make it so.
I do love it when you educate us all.
Way to move the goal posts there.
Why do you do this?
No goal post moving. Perhaps you thought she meant sucrose, fructose and glucose here but she didn't specify that and could have just as easily meant the sugar in peaches vs the sugar in cake frosting.a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
She said not to isolate the sugars.
This thread was about sugar, and the helpful posters pointed out that your body does not know the difference between the sugar in an apple and the sugar in cake frosting. She moved the goal posts when she expanded "sugar" to "milk, peaches, and cake frosting." Her posts have also not been at all helpful for the OP (with the exception of her first post, after which she should have stopped posting) and have simply been argumentative.0 -
Is the whole of your position on the digestion of sugars to make the point that fructose, sucrose, lactose, etc are broken down by different enzymes by the digestion process during which all of them are converted to glucose, which glucose the body then uses exactly the same regardless of source? If not, what differences do you mean?diannethegeek wrote: »
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
It's a shame that you commented on the Sugar FAQ thread without reading it. The information there might have come in useful here.
If I commented in some thread, I'm sure I read at least some of the thread. I didn't click the link the OP provided because I didn't require proof. I believed him when he said he's read that all sugars are processed the same. I read it all the time, myself. There was no reason to doubt him.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I have a 45g/day limit on sugar. I eat most of my sugar from fruits and/or non fat greek yogurt.
Almost everyday I pass the sugar limit, eating 3 fruits a day and one yogurt.
Is that really bad? Aren't sugars from fruits a good thing?
fruits are good for you...they are packed with fiber, antioxidants, and all kinds of micro-nutrients...but sugar is sugar.
that said, the recommendation for sugar on MFP is for added sugars and I believe it comes from the WHO...to my knowledge there is no DRA for sugar.
Really, if you don't have a medical condition that warrants tracking your sugar and you don't have a "problem" with sugar...as in you eat *kitten* loads of it, I really wouldn't worry about it.
There is no way that MFP has a way of distinguishing added vs natural sugar until the food labels change.
My sugar total reflects all of my sugar.
MFP used to use the WHO's recommendation for added sugar only and it was up to you to distinguish. I guess that changed about 18 months ago but I was unaware as I haven't kept a diary in over two years.0 -
That the OP doesn't have to worry about the fruit coming from sugar.DeguelloTex wrote: »
So is your position supposed to be based on the fact that different enzymes, etc. are involved in forming the glucose? If so, why does that matter since it's the glucose that the body uses? If not, what is your position, exactly?
I am not making an argument. There is no hidden point, no agenda. The OP says someone else said that all sugar is the same and processed identically. I can't say, "That's true" because I know better. I don't normally point it out or bring it up because there is no point and, like I said, it doesn't matter as far as weight loss goes.DeguelloTex wrote: »
So is your argument supposed to be based on the fact that different enzymes, etc. are involved in forming the glucose? If so, why does that matter since it's the glucose that the body uses? If not, what is your argument, exactly?
Some of the work of digestion is subcontracted to other parts of the body, but in the end, you have a bunch of glucose, yes.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Do you disagree with this: "All carbohydrates, whether sugars or starches, are digested in the intestine to form glucose, which is transported around the body via the blood and taken into cells to be converted into energy"?brianpperkins wrote: »
I suspect that we have studied different things. Why don't you educate me? Compare the digestion of milk, peaches and cake frosting in detail. Don't single out just sugars, but do make sure to explain how all the sugars are identical and broken down in the same way.
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
yea, no.
sugar = sugar
sorry..
just because you want to believe that does not make it so.
I do love it when you educate us all.
So you start with a diatribe about the digestion of sugars in a vacuum, then when countered on your point change your position and now want a lesson on the digestion of complex foods. This encapsulates what makes having an informed, intelligent conversation with you an impossibility.
Glucose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. Fructose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. Sucrose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. Dextrose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. By now, you should notice a trend.
I suspect that he will now think that different sugars might be different.
It wasn't a diatribe. I just know that people are forever saying that all sugars are identical and processed in exactly the same way. I admit that it's said. I don't generally say, "Well, no, different sugars are actually different" because it doesn't matter. But on the flip side, I cannot agree that they're all identical when they aren't.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Where'd that 21 g come from? MFP gives me 77. If it came from your doctor, discuss with him/her.
You're right the limit is not 21, it's 45... but I pass it everyday...
Not sure why your limit is so much smaller than mine, but letting it go.
It's 15% of calories.
It's 45 grams for people on 1200.
As for why a young guy like OP seems to be is on 1200, beats me.
What does age have to do with it? I'm not quite 21 and I'm on 1200... it's about losing weight... since my start was only 20 lbs from my goal I need a larger deficit.
No...the closer to goal you are, the smaller your deficit should be, and the more accurate your logging should be. It makes it easier to transition to maintenance.
As for age - the younger you are, the more calories you burn, generally speaking. Our metabolisms slow as we age.
The closer you get to your goal the harder it is to lose weight... so it would make sense to me to need a bigger calorie deficit.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Where'd that 21 g come from? MFP gives me 77. If it came from your doctor, discuss with him/her.
You're right the limit is not 21, it's 45... but I pass it everyday...
Not sure why your limit is so much smaller than mine, but letting it go.
It's 15% of calories.
It's 45 grams for people on 1200.
As for why a young guy like OP seems to be is on 1200, beats me.
What does age have to do with it? I'm not quite 21 and I'm on 1200... it's about losing weight... since my start was only 20 lbs from my goal I need a larger deficit.
he's a male for one thing...males have much higher calorie requisites than females.0 -
But you repeatedly try to make the point that saying all sugars are the same isn't accurate. Is your position on that subject supposed to be based on the fact that different enzymes, etc. are involved in forming the glucose? If so, why does that matter since it's the glucose that the body uses? If not, what is your position on that subject, exactly?
That the OP doesn't have to worry about the fruit coming from sugar.DeguelloTex wrote: »
So is your position supposed to be based on the fact that different enzymes, etc. are involved in forming the glucose? If so, why does that matter since it's the glucose that the body uses? If not, what is your position, exactly?
I am not making an argument. There is no hidden point, no agenda. The OP says someone else said that all sugar is the same and processed identically. I can't say, "That's true" because I know better. I don't normally point it out or bring it up because there is no point and, like I said, it doesn't matter as far as weight loss goes.DeguelloTex wrote: »
So is your argument supposed to be based on the fact that different enzymes, etc. are involved in forming the glucose? If so, why does that matter since it's the glucose that the body uses? If not, what is your argument, exactly?
Some of the work of digestion is subcontracted to other parts of the body, but in the end, you have a bunch of glucose, yes.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Do you disagree with this: "All carbohydrates, whether sugars or starches, are digested in the intestine to form glucose, which is transported around the body via the blood and taken into cells to be converted into energy"?brianpperkins wrote: »
I suspect that we have studied different things. Why don't you educate me? Compare the digestion of milk, peaches and cake frosting in detail. Don't single out just sugars, but do make sure to explain how all the sugars are identical and broken down in the same way.
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
yea, no.
sugar = sugar
sorry..
just because you want to believe that does not make it so.
I do love it when you educate us all.
So you start with a diatribe about the digestion of sugars in a vacuum, then when countered on your point change your position and now want a lesson on the digestion of complex foods. This encapsulates what makes having an informed, intelligent conversation with you an impossibility.
Glucose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. Fructose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. Sucrose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. Dextrose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. By now, you should notice a trend.
I suspect that he will now think that different sugars might be different.
It wasn't a diatribe. I just know that people are forever saying that all sugars are identical and processed in exactly the same way. I admit that it's said. I don't generally say, "Well, no, different sugars are actually different" because it doesn't matter. But on the flip side, I cannot agree that they're all identical when they aren't.
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Good Lord in Heaven, I hardly bring it up every time sugar comes up, lol. I almost never bring it up and let those "All sugar is processed the same" comments go by with nary a peep a LOT. The OP brought it up.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Except they don't have different components and are essentially C(n)H(2n)O(n) molecules.kshama2001 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
I suspect that we have studied different things. Why don't you educate me? Compare the digestion of milk, peaches and cake frosting in detail. Don't single out just sugars, but do make sure to explain how all the sugars are identical and broken down in the same way.
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
yea, no.
sugar = sugar
sorry..
just because you want to believe that does not make it so.
I do love it when you educate us all.
Way to move the goal posts there.
Why do you do this?
No goal post moving. Perhaps you thought she meant sucrose, fructose and glucose here but she didn't specify that and could have just as easily meant the sugar in peaches vs the sugar in cake frosting.a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
The different types of sugar are converted to glucose by different enzymes, but they end up as glucose and then the body uses that glucose, regardless of source, exactly the same.
If her position is merely that different sugars are broken down by different enzymes before the resultant glucose is used by the body, I'm wondering why that's a sufficiently relevant nit to pick every time sugar comes up, given that they all end up as glucose before being used.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Where'd that 21 g come from? MFP gives me 77. If it came from your doctor, discuss with him/her.
You're right the limit is not 21, it's 45... but I pass it everyday...
Not sure why your limit is so much smaller than mine, but letting it go.
It's 15% of calories.
It's 45 grams for people on 1200.
As for why a young guy like OP seems to be is on 1200, beats me.
What does age have to do with it? I'm not quite 21 and I'm on 1200... it's about losing weight... since my start was only 20 lbs from my goal I need a larger deficit.
No...the closer to goal you are, the smaller your deficit should be, and the more accurate your logging should be. It makes it easier to transition to maintenance.
As for age - the younger you are, the more calories you burn, generally speaking. Our metabolisms slow as we age.
The closer you get to your goal the harder it is to lose weight... so it would make sense to me to need a bigger calorie deficit.
Yeah, no. This isn't really relevant to OP's thread, so I'm not going to argue with you. If you're confused about deficits then you would do well to start your own thread.Yes, your metabolism slows as you age, however after you've gone through puberty there's not much difference between people's metobolic rates, only about 1000 kcal/day, which includes both men and women meaning that within gender there's probably only about a 600 kcal/day difference which is more dependent on lean body mass than age
Not really sure what you're saying here, but 600 kcal per day can make a huge difference when it comes weight loss/gain, especially if you don't have a lot to lose in the first place. This is why accuracy is so important.
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Position? Are there positions on digestion?DeguelloTex wrote: »
But you repeatedly try to make the point that saying all sugars are the same isn't accurate. Is your position on that subject supposed to be based on the fact that different enzymes, etc. are involved in forming the glucose? If so, why does that matter since it's the glucose that the body uses? If not, what is your position on that subject, exactly?
That the OP doesn't have to worry about the fruit coming from sugar.DeguelloTex wrote: »
So is your position supposed to be based on the fact that different enzymes, etc. are involved in forming the glucose? If so, why does that matter since it's the glucose that the body uses? If not, what is your position, exactly?
I am not making an argument. There is no hidden point, no agenda. The OP says someone else said that all sugar is the same and processed identically. I can't say, "That's true" because I know better. I don't normally point it out or bring it up because there is no point and, like I said, it doesn't matter as far as weight loss goes.DeguelloTex wrote: »
So is your argument supposed to be based on the fact that different enzymes, etc. are involved in forming the glucose? If so, why does that matter since it's the glucose that the body uses? If not, what is your argument, exactly?
Some of the work of digestion is subcontracted to other parts of the body, but in the end, you have a bunch of glucose, yes.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Do you disagree with this: "All carbohydrates, whether sugars or starches, are digested in the intestine to form glucose, which is transported around the body via the blood and taken into cells to be converted into energy"?brianpperkins wrote: »
I suspect that we have studied different things. Why don't you educate me? Compare the digestion of milk, peaches and cake frosting in detail. Don't single out just sugars, but do make sure to explain how all the sugars are identical and broken down in the same way.
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
yea, no.
sugar = sugar
sorry..
just because you want to believe that does not make it so.
I do love it when you educate us all.
So you start with a diatribe about the digestion of sugars in a vacuum, then when countered on your point change your position and now want a lesson on the digestion of complex foods. This encapsulates what makes having an informed, intelligent conversation with you an impossibility.
Glucose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. Fructose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. Sucrose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. Dextrose is processed the same by the body no matter where it comes from. By now, you should notice a trend.
I suspect that he will now think that different sugars might be different.
It wasn't a diatribe. I just know that people are forever saying that all sugars are identical and processed in exactly the same way. I admit that it's said. I don't generally say, "Well, no, different sugars are actually different" because it doesn't matter. But on the flip side, I cannot agree that they're all identical when they aren't.
Like I said, it's really not important. What matters is how much sugar is taken in - the calories.
Don't ask me why people say it all the time. I don't know. Ask them.
For our OP, assuming he is otherwise healthy, there is no reason to worry about the sugar from his fruit.
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Let's say you brought it up only once. Same questions apply.
Good Lord in Heaven, I hardly bring it up every time sugar comes up, lol. I almost never bring it up and let those "All sugar is processed the same" comments go by with nary a peep a LOT. The OP brought it up.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Except they don't have different components and are essentially C(n)H(2n)O(n) molecules.kshama2001 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
I suspect that we have studied different things. Why don't you educate me? Compare the digestion of milk, peaches and cake frosting in detail. Don't single out just sugars, but do make sure to explain how all the sugars are identical and broken down in the same way.
I didn't read it, but a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.Yeah MFP has me at a lot higher sugar. Fruit has fiber (typically) and other vitamins and is processed by the body differently than say High Frutose Corn Syrup. The body metabolizes these different sugars differently. Of course anything in abundance is bad. Fiber delays the delivery of Frutose to the liver. This is why I stopped drinking juice. The juice alone doesn't have the fiber. I think processed foods with sugar like Cola are far worse for you, simply keep eating fruit - just in moderation.
According to this post, all sugars are processed the same
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
Digestion really doesn't make a ton of difference. The effect on your weight isn't about how it's digested. It's about how much sugar you take in. It's about the calories.
When you're losing weight, you want all the nutrition you can get for as few calories as you can. Keeps you healthy, let's you stay full. So, it makes some sense to take your sugar from fruit, which gives you nutrients you need.
If you don't want to eat any sugar, that's your choice and I won't argue it. Everyone has to do what works for them.
But you can eat your fruit if you want to. For an otherwise healthy person, fruit won't hurt.
yea, no.
sugar = sugar
sorry..
just because you want to believe that does not make it so.
I do love it when you educate us all.
Way to move the goal posts there.
Why do you do this?
No goal post moving. Perhaps you thought she meant sucrose, fructose and glucose here but she didn't specify that and could have just as easily meant the sugar in peaches vs the sugar in cake frosting.a lot of people think that all sugars are digested in exactly the same way. They say it all the time. They don't understand the digestive system at all. Of course different sugars are digested differently. Because they're different, lol.
They have different components and will, of course, be broken down differently.
The different types of sugar are converted to glucose by different enzymes, but they end up as glucose and then the body uses that glucose, regardless of source, exactly the same.
If her position is merely that different sugars are broken down by different enzymes before the resultant glucose is used by the body, I'm wondering why that's a sufficiently relevant nit to pick every time sugar comes up, given that they all end up as glucose before being used.
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kshama2001 wrote: »Where'd that 21 g come from? MFP gives me 77. If it came from your doctor, discuss with him/her.
You're right the limit is not 21, it's 45... but I pass it everyday...
I get 45 grams too and surpass it every day. I ignore it. MFP should disable that, IMO.0
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