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Eat everything in Moderation as dietary advice?
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No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.0 -
I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
It works for some people. It fails horribly for other people. Only way to know if it is workable for you is to try.
If you can stick to it - and that is a big if - it will lead to success.
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I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
<== See that profile pic? That's all the evidence I need. I dont need a study in the face of direct evidence. Today I had McDonald's, Ding Dongs, and Strawberry Wine for lunch (logged as Apple Cider because lazy). Hot dogs for breakfast. Works for me, right?
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Looking good and the food sounds just as scrummy!SergeantSausage wrote: »I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
<== See that profile pic? That's all the evidence I need. Today I had McDonald's, Ding Dongs, and Strawberry Wine for lunch. Works for me, right?
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No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?0 -
Even if someone does have a health concern, if they don't mention it up front I would hope they are at least educated enough about said condition to take the moderation advice in direct relation to any limitations they must have in their diet. That said, there's very few people who genuinely need to cut large groups of food out of their diet and as others have said, advice is usually offered with a disclaimer noting as such. So moderation once again becomes sensible advice universally. Gluten intolerance? Eat everything, allowing for avoiding gluten, in moderation. Lactose intolerant? Eat everything, allowing for avoiding dairy, in moderation. See? Common sense.
If you really need a medically specific diet you should be talking to a specialist, not a weight loss forum.0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.0
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To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
So you didn't eat in moderation no matter how much you want to believe that you "ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! "0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Not in this thread.
The discussion is around how best to get and maintain a deficit - not whether a deficit is necessary or whether it will lead to weight loss.0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
Uhhhhhh... Suuure.... So you binged on candy and gained 15 pounds. That doesn't sound like eating in moderation?0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*
That's the point - trying to eat "in moderation" leads many people straight to binging.
Not everybody, not even most people, but definitely a large enough proportion that "eat in moderation" doesn't work as blanket advice IRL.
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brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Not in this thread.
The discussion is around how best to get and maintain a deficit - not whether a deficit is necessary or whether it will lead to weight loss.
It is about if eating in moderation works to create the needed deficit.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Eating in moderation is thermodynamic?
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To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*
That's the point - trying to eat "in moderation" leads many people straight to binging.
Not everybody, not even most people, but definitely a large enough proportion that "eat in moderation" doesn't work as blanket advice IRL.
What czymom123 did was not eating in moderation ... period.
Moderation .. a form of the adjective moderate ... : average in size or amount : neither too much nor too little (Merriam-Webster).
Gaining 15 pounds is eating too much ... therefore not moderate ... ergo, not eating in moderation.0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*
That's the point - trying to eat "in moderation" leads many people straight to binging.
Not everybody, not even most people, but definitely a large enough proportion that "eat in moderation" doesn't work as blanket advice IRL.
Someone gives advice that works for a majority of people. A person who takes said advice doesn't do the advice correctly. Who is at fault... the advice or the person?0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
It sounds like you're taking personal experience here and projecting it onto other people.
There are many, many successful people who can and do maintain a reasonable relationship with "trigger" foods.
Generalizing your personal experience and making it about all obese people isn't fair OR accurate.
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brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Eating in moderation is thermodynamic?
The scientific basis of moderation .. not eating too much .. is in the context of CICO.
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To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
Your individual failure to moderate is not supportive of moderation being a failed approach.0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*
That's the point - trying to eat "in moderation" leads many people straight to binging.
Not everybody, not even most people, but definitely a large enough proportion that "eat in moderation" doesn't work as blanket advice IRL.
I'd argue that being too restrictive and eliminating "naughty" foods from the diet leads to more binging and I say this as someone with an emotional attachment to food. When I tried losing weight in the past I was too restrictive.
Can I have calorie dense junk food lying around the house? No. Can I eat them whenever I want within my calorie goal as long as I only buy enough for one or two servings at a time? Absolutely and it has been the key to me getting a grip on my relationship with food. I appreciate I'm a sample of one but I'm long enough in the tooth to see many more examples of just this behaviour.
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brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Not in this thread.
The discussion is around how best to get and maintain a deficit - not whether a deficit is necessary or whether it will lead to weight loss.
It is about if eating in moderation works to create the needed deficit.
Nobody is disputing that it does. The question is whether it's a practical way of getting to the deficit.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Not in this thread.
The discussion is around how best to get and maintain a deficit - not whether a deficit is necessary or whether it will lead to weight loss.
It is about if eating in moderation works to create the needed deficit.
I guess that I am lost. I thought the OP wanted to know about "eating in moderation" was applicable to those with health issues along with is there any science behind "eating in moderation". I would assume comparing it to eating a strict controlled diet.
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mantium999 wrote: »To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
Your individual failure to moderate is not supportive of moderation being a failed approach.
It's not an individual failure - it's many, many people.
Which means there is more going on than the "theory" is addressing.
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brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Eating in moderation is thermodynamic?
The scientific basis of moderation .. not eating too much .. is in the context of CICO.
On MFP "eating in moderation" typically means "don't restrict foods". That is the context of this discussion - it's about more than just calories.0 -
When you chose to eat too much candy instead of eating it in moderation, you gained weight. Moderation works, not moderating doesn't. Your interpretation is backwards.To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
But that's not eating in moderation... *blinks*
That's the point - trying to eat "in moderation" leads many people straight to binging.
Not everybody, not even most people, but definitely a large enough proportion that "eat in moderation" doesn't work as blanket advice IRL.
Right, that's my understanding and experience as well.
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To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
IMO..."eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat every food that is out there known to mankind. If there is a food that you struggle with...then don't eat it. There are several foods that I used to eat that I no longer do because I just can't seem to moderate them. I did however replace them other foods that I could.
My definition of "eating in moderation" is not eliminating any food group. Also "eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat them every day/week/month. I like ice cream bars...I only eat them a couple of times a month. Love pizza...I stick to 2 slices twice a month. Reduced fat Cheezits...I have to leave on the shelf...I eat the whole box. Just because I leave them on the shelf doesn't mean that I can't center my diet around "eating in moderation".
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brianpperkins wrote: »To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
So you didn't eat in moderation no matter how much you want to believe that you "ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! "
You are right, I did not eat everything in moderation seeing as some foods can be triggers. I am just trying to give another perspective based on my experience.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Eating in moderation is thermodynamic?
The scientific basis of moderation .. not eating too much .. is in the context of CICO.
On MFP "eating in moderation" typically means "don't restrict foods". That is the context of this discussion - it's about more than just calories.
That is what I thought...but maybe I'm wrong...I am sometimes.
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IMO..."eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat every food that is out there known to mankind. If there is a food that you struggle with...then don't eat it. There are several foods that I used to eat that I no longer do because I just can't seem to moderate them. I did however replace them other foods that I could.
My definition of "eating in moderation" is not eliminating any food group. Also "eating in moderation" doesn't mean that you have to eat them every day/week/month. I like ice cream bars...I only eat them a couple of times a month. Love pizza...I stick to 2 slices twice a month. Reduced fat Cheezits...I have to leave on the shelf...I eat the whole box. Just because I leave them on the shelf doesn't mean that I can't center my diet around "eating in moderation".
Everything you said +1,000.0
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