Eat everything in Moderation as dietary advice?
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I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
I've never seen this on the boards. Can you link to a specific thread/post that advised this?0 -
I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
Since you've asked for references, please supply examples of these "regardless of dietary issues" cases.0 -
I always love when an OP drops a bomb and never returns.0
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »I always love when an OP drops a bomb and never returns.
trolls are the best at that
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My entire eating life has followed the moderation strategy. I've never formally dieted, counted calories or seriously logged food until now. I'm in my 50's and have been interested in and learning about nutrition for about the last 30 years. Simply focusing on 'healthier' food choices (my definition) has always taken care of pounds I wanted to get rid of until the last few years.
Over the last few months logging food and these boards have taught me a new form of moderation (with portions!) - I ate 1/4 cup of ice cream the other night and was both very happy AND very proud of myself! I've always had the ability to eat a lot of food!
The reason I asked the question about moderation was because I was confused at what I was reading. The way 'moderation' is suggested to people on these boards was like it was a long ago established fact.
Moderation is also frequently suggested to folks who come asking questions about a specific type of food or nutrient. Moderation is frequently suggested without first asking if they have health concerns or in some cases some folks are poo-poo'd about foods they would like to eliminate 'unless they have a medically diagnosed health issue'. Many people have family concerns or - heck, just being overweight or obese increases risk of assorted diseases & conditions, so asking before dispensing advice is seems like the prudent course to reduce the chance of inappropriate advice.
I am very concerned that people without a diagnosis, but with health concerns they are trying to be proactive about are being discouraged from taking responsibility for their own diet and eating an appropriate diet for them.
I'm simply trying to find out the source of that moderation belief - is moderation a personal philosophy or a studied strategy that has better weight loss success than food elimination?.
I've lived moderation for just about my entire life and need to help verify my risks of failure in changing strategy to food elimination.
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The prudent course is to mention medical conditions when asking for advice.0
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Your risk of failure is unique to you. If you want to eliminate certain foods, eliminate them.The idea of moderation is that you don't have to eliminate foods. You can still do so if you choose.I'm simply trying to find out the source of that moderation belief - is moderation a personal philosophy or a studied strategy that has better weight loss success than food elimination?.
I've lived moderation for just about my entire life and need to help verify my risks of failure in changing strategy to food elimination.
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I've never seen anyone suggest everything in moderation if a person has medical conditions…
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My entire eating life has followed the moderation strategy. I've never formally dieted, counted calories or seriously logged food until now. I'm in my 50's and have been interested in and learning about nutrition for about the last 30 years. Simply focusing on 'healthier' food choices (my definition) has always taken care of pounds I wanted to get rid of until the last few years.
Over the last few months logging food and these boards have taught me a new form of moderation (with portions!) - I ate 1/4 cup of ice cream the other night and was both very happy AND very proud of myself! I've always had the ability to eat a lot of food!
The reason I asked the question about moderation was because I was confused at what I was reading. The way 'moderation' is suggested to people on these boards was like it was a long ago established fact.
Moderation is also frequently suggested to folks who come asking questions about a specific type of food or nutrient. Moderation is frequently suggested without first asking if they have health concerns or in some cases some folks are poo-poo'd about foods they would like to eliminate 'unless they have a medically diagnosed health issue'. Many people have family concerns or - heck, just being overweight or obese increases risk of assorted diseases & conditions, so asking before dispensing advice is seems like the prudent course to reduce the chance of inappropriate advice.
I am very concerned that people without a diagnosis, but with health concerns they are trying to be proactive about are being discouraged from taking responsibility for their own diet and eating an appropriate diet for them.
I'm simply trying to find out the source of that moderation belief - is moderation a personal philosophy or a studied strategy that has better weight loss success than food elimination?.
I've lived moderation for just about my entire life and need to help verify my risks of failure in changing strategy to food elimination.
If people have specific health conditions, they should put that information in their question. It's unreasonable for us to assume that everyone posting for health has medical conditions.
Moderation is always recommended in conjunction with proper tracking and weighing foods. It's not like we're telling people, go eat whatever you want, whenever you want.0 -
Not only that, it is almost universally added as a disclaimer when saying foods don't need to be eliminated.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »I've never seen anyone suggest everything in moderation if a person has medical conditions…
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No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.0 -
I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
It works for some people. It fails horribly for other people. Only way to know if it is workable for you is to try.
If you can stick to it - and that is a big if - it will lead to success.
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I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
<== See that profile pic? That's all the evidence I need. I dont need a study in the face of direct evidence. Today I had McDonald's, Ding Dongs, and Strawberry Wine for lunch (logged as Apple Cider because lazy). Hot dogs for breakfast. Works for me, right?
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Looking good and the food sounds just as scrummy!SergeantSausage wrote: »I'm fairly new here, but have been a bit overwhelmed with all the eat everything in modération advice that is despensed regardless of dietary issues.
Are there some studies available to read that give the eat everything/moderation plan some credibility?
<== See that profile pic? That's all the evidence I need. Today I had McDonald's, Ding Dongs, and Strawberry Wine for lunch. Works for me, right?
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No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?0 -
Even if someone does have a health concern, if they don't mention it up front I would hope they are at least educated enough about said condition to take the moderation advice in direct relation to any limitations they must have in their diet. That said, there's very few people who genuinely need to cut large groups of food out of their diet and as others have said, advice is usually offered with a disclaimer noting as such. So moderation once again becomes sensible advice universally. Gluten intolerance? Eat everything, allowing for avoiding gluten, in moderation. Lactose intolerant? Eat everything, allowing for avoiding dairy, in moderation. See? Common sense.
If you really need a medically specific diet you should be talking to a specialist, not a weight loss forum.0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.0
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To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
So you didn't eat in moderation no matter how much you want to believe that you "ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! "0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »No, it's not a scientific thing. Some people include junk food because if they didn't, they would binge eat it. Others consider it necessary for their mental health. Others just don't want to stop eating yummy foods that they like. All of it is valid.
It's entirely possible to lose weight eating funnel cakes and Oreos, but it's also possible to lose weight without them.
It's just a personal choice.
When did thermodynamics cease being a scientific thing?
Not in this thread.
The discussion is around how best to get and maintain a deficit - not whether a deficit is necessary or whether it will lead to weight loss.0 -
To be perfectly honest, EIM to me is a crock. At the very least, it is not for everyone. Having lost 80 pounds, I realize there are certain things I NEED to stay away from. How do I know this? Because I ate everything in moderation all the way up 15 pounds! How? Simply put, some things overweight people eat are never going to be in moderation. I love candy. Particularly Reese's cups and Mike and Ikes. I have an issue eating those and just chilling till my next healthy meal. It triggers me. I know it's a trigger. This is why I choose not to eat them. Additionally, is there a lot of nutritional value in that candy? No, there is not. So why even go there? This is simply MY opinion. I do not believe everyone is like me. But if you are like me, you may want to consider that there are foods you should avoid.
Uhhhhhh... Suuure.... So you binged on candy and gained 15 pounds. That doesn't sound like eating in moderation?0
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