Deficit, Heavy lifting and Gaining Weight? Why?
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This, to me, sounds like a psychological disorder. Many people with ED think in much the same way
This made me LOL. Thank you for you opinion. I'm sure in your way it was kindly meant... or not.0 -
If you're working every muscle every day (heck, if you're _able_ to work every muscle every day) you'rengaliyin wrote:I used to do it 3x per week but now I feel my body needs more and loves it so I do it 5 days
per week (6 days if my trainer misses her day with me).
doing something wrong.
You should lift 2-3 days per week, with at least 1 day in between, if you're working all muscles in every workout.
Your body recovers, repairs, and grows (increased muscle, increased strength) during the rest days.
Increase the weight/reps so you need those rest days, and TAKE THEM.
Recovery from the muscle breakdown is what takes water, which may be why you're seeing this weight increase.
You're unlikely to be gaining muscle in a deficit (though there might be a little).0 -
No, doing it your way despite being advised to do the workout as recommended and being told that your body needs rest to build muscle isn't a compromise. It's ignoring sound advice from people with more experience than you have.
And I've "categorized" you based on what you've said you're going to do. That's hardly unfair or irrational.
Cool and thank you again
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OP, its water retention due to the exercise. If after a couple of weeks you're not seeing that scale go down, drop the calories back down to 1500.
Thank you. I do actually eat between 1200 and 1550 just because I feel satisfied.0 -
This, to me, sounds like a psychological disorder. Many people with ED think in much the same way
This made me LOL. Thank you for you opinion. I'm sure in your way it was kindly meant... or not.
There is an actual ED where people "compensate" for eating bad by spending hours in the gym. There is a natural "high" from working out, and sometimes it's a fine line between pushing yourself and becoming obsessive. Keep an eye on how you feel about the gym; if you do start feeling obsessed about going or missing a session, try and look objectively to see if you are worried too much. That said, I get frustrated when I can't get to the gym too; the disorder is when it goes too far and starts disrupting your life and your emotional state.
And I applaud you for listening to the advice in this thread and not getting defensive. It's rather refreshing for the forums.0 -
Seriously OP if you love strength training you need to stop overtraining before you damage yourself and end up off weights for months and having to build up again
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If you're working every muscle every day (heck, if you're _able_ to work every muscle every day) you're
doing something wrong.
You should lift 2-3 days per week, with at least 1 day in between, if you're working all muscles in every workout.
Your body recovers, repairs, and grows (increased muscle, increased strength) during the rest days.
Increase the weight/reps so you need those rest days, and TAKE THEM.
Recovery from the muscle breakdown is what takes water, which may be why you're seeing this weight increase.
You're unlikely to be gaining muscle in a deficit (though there might be a little).
Thank you for your sage advice and explanation. I'm so glad I asked the question. Yes, I shall go back to taking the rest days needed 0 -
Seriously OP if you love strength training you need to stop overtraining before you damage yourself and end up off weights for months and having to build up again
I most certainly do LOVE strength training and want to keep going so I shall heed your advice and take those rest days in between. Thank you trillions 0 -
If you want to reply to a statement....can we use the quote function. Makes the thread a whole lot easier to follow.0
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There is an actual ED where people "compensate" for eating bad by spending hours in the gym. There is a natural "high" from working out, and sometimes it's a fine line between pushing yourself and becoming obsessive. Keep an eye on how you feel about the gym; if you do start feeling obsessed about going or missing a session, try and look objectively to see if you are worried too much. That said, I get frustrated when I can't get to the gym too; the disorder is when it goes too far and starts disrupting your life and your emotional state.
And I applaud you for listening to the advice in this thread and not getting defensive. It's rather refreshing for the forums.
Thank you! I shall keep a close eye on this.0 -
There is an actual ED where people "compensate" for eating bad by spending hours in the gym. There is a natural "high" from working out, and sometimes it's a fine line between pushing yourself and becoming obsessive. Keep an eye on how you feel about the gym; if you do start feeling obsessed about going or missing a session, try and look objectively to see if you are worried too much. That said, I get frustrated when I can't get to the gym too; the disorder is when it goes too far and starts disrupting your life and your emotional state.
And I applaud you for listening to the advice in this thread and not getting defensive. It's rather refreshing for the forums.
Thank you! I shall keep a close eye on this.
OP, please use the quote button next to the reply button instead of copy paste then bolding it.0 -
If you want to reply to a statement....can we use the quote function. Makes the thread a whole lot easier to follow.
After some maneuvering, I have discovered the quote function, I think. Thank you for being the catalyst and help me out if I got it wrong.0 -
There is an actual ED where people "compensate" for eating bad by spending hours in the gym. There is a natural "high" from working out, and sometimes it's a fine line between pushing yourself and becoming obsessive. Keep an eye on how you feel about the gym; if you do start feeling obsessed about going or missing a session, try and look objectively to see if you are worried too much. That said, I get frustrated when I can't get to the gym too; the disorder is when it goes too far and starts disrupting your life and your emotional state.
And I applaud you for listening to the advice in this thread and not getting defensive. It's rather refreshing for the forums.
Thank you! I shall keep a close eye on this.
OP, please use the quote button next to the reply button instead of copy paste then bolding it.
I'm working on it. Not sure if i got it. Oh yay, it's working. Thanks.
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OP,
I have been following this thread and I commend you.
You have handled all the commits nicely and are truly learning from the experience posters.
Some may seem harsh but they are Mostly trying to help you.
Good Luck to YOU.0 -
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my only suggestion is why would you changed a structured program like ice cream fitness that is tried and proven into your own version? I would highly recommend following the program as structured. If you want to do light cardio on one of your rest days that is OK, but you really need one, one hundred percent rest day.
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Why have the surgery before losing the weight?
Everything about this post seems backwards.
It was because I'd already scheduled and paid for the surgery that I ended up finding out about MFP at a check up and I had 2.5 months before sx which I used to lose 27lbs going from 205lbs to 178lbs.
Now that I'm fully recovered and back, i' hope it's okay to choose to lose some more and strengthen.
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OP,
I have been following this thread and I commend you.
You have handled all the commits nicely and are truly learning from the experience posters.
Some may seem harsh but they are Mostly trying to help you.
Good Luck to YOU.
Thank you VERY much. I appreciate you and wish you many blessings
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my only suggestion is why would you changed a structured program like ice cream fitness that is tried and proven into your own version? I would highly recommend following the program as structured. If you want to do light cardio on one of your rest days that is OK, but you really need one, one hundred percent rest day.
The reason I decided to do 5 or 6 days instead of 3 was because my body just felt like it could use more. I have been feeling quite good actually except for the water retention getting my scale weight up.
Anyway, by asking the question about the scale weight, I've been told here that I should follow the program as recommended with 3 days on and the rest days in between to get my muscles to recover.
As a result, I have taken today off since I did ICF 5x5 yesterday. I shall do the ICF 5x5 3 days per week and do 1 day of whatever my fitness trainer chooses for us to do. So instead of 6 days working out, I'll scale back to 4 days.
I hope this is in sync with what the experienced lifters recommend.
Thank you!!!!!!!
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yopeeps025 wrote: »
Please I already answered this question and Rushfive posted my reply to it for you to see. Hope you got it. Thank you.
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my only suggestion is why would you changed a structured program like ice cream fitness that is tried and proven into your own version? I would highly recommend following the program as structured. If you want to do light cardio on one of your rest days that is OK, but you really need one, one hundred percent rest day.
The reason I decided to do 5 or 6 days instead of 3 was because my body just felt like it could use more. I have been feeling quite good actually except for the water retention getting my scale weight up.
Anyway, by asking the question about the scale weight, I've been told here that I should follow the program as recommended with 3 days on and the rest days in between to get my muscles to recover.
As a result, I have taken today off since I did ICF 5x5 yesterday. I shall do the ICF 5x5 3 days per week and do 1 day of whatever my fitness trainer chooses for us to do. So instead of 6 days working out, I'll scale back to 4 days.
I hope this is in sync with what the experienced lifters recommend.
Thank you!!!!!!!
Every program I read says to follow the program unless you have experience weight training which it does not sound like you do OP.
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yopeeps025 wrote: »
Please I already answered this question and Rushfive posted my reply to it for you to see. Hope you got it. Thank you.
In addition, I didn't make up the program. Jason Blaha came up with it. The only thing I changed was to work out with the program 5 or 6 days a week instead of the 3 days Jason recommends.
But with all the advice about giving my muscles time to rest with full days in between I have decided to scale back.
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my only suggestion is why would you changed a structured program like ice cream fitness that is tried and proven into your own version? I would highly recommend following the program as structured. If you want to do light cardio on one of your rest days that is OK, but you really need one, one hundred percent rest day.
The reason I decided to do 5 or 6 days instead of 3 was because my body just felt like it could use more. I have been feeling quite good actually except for the water retention getting my scale weight up.
Anyway, by asking the question about the scale weight, I've been told here that I should follow the program as recommended with 3 days on and the rest days in between to get my muscles to recover.
As a result, I have taken today off since I did ICF 5x5 yesterday. I shall do the ICF 5x5 3 days per week and do 1 day of whatever my fitness trainer chooses for us to do. So instead of 6 days working out, I'll scale back to 4 days.
I hope this is in sync with what the experienced lifters recommend.
Thank you!!!!!!!
sorry if I missed it but how long have you been running ICF 5x5 and how long have you been lifting for?
If you feel that you have outgrown the program you may want to consider a more intermediate program like a four day split....0 -
my only suggestion is why would you changed a structured program like ice cream fitness that is tried and proven into your own version? I would highly recommend following the program as structured. If you want to do light cardio on one of your rest days that is OK, but you really need one, one hundred percent rest day.
The reason I decided to do 5 or 6 days instead of 3 was because my body just felt like it could use more. I have been feeling quite good actually except for the water retention getting my scale weight up.
Anyway, by asking the question about the scale weight, I've been told here that I should follow the program as recommended with 3 days on and the rest days in between to get my muscles to recover.
As a result, I have taken today off since I did ICF 5x5 yesterday. I shall do the ICF 5x5 3 days per week and do 1 day of whatever my fitness trainer chooses for us to do. So instead of 6 days working out, I'll scale back to 4 days.
I hope this is in sync with what the experienced lifters recommend.
Thank you!!!!!!!
sorry if I missed it but how long have you been running ICF 5x5 and how long have you been lifting for?
If you feel that you have outgrown the program you may want to consider a more intermediate program like a four day split....
Only about 4 months (counting the 2 months before my surgery) - so not long at all.
I have been doing it 5 or 6 days a week for the past 2.5 weeks only and feeling excellent, but I have received advice here to stop doing it so many days a week and go back to 3x per week.
Because of all the wonderful responses here, I have taken a full rest day today and will follow the program 3x per week.
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yopeeps025 wrote: »
Please I already answered this question and Rushfive posted my reply to it for you to see. Hope you got it. Thank you.
In addition, I didn't make up the program. Jason Blaha came up with it. The only thing I changed was to work out with the program 5 or 6 days a week instead of the 3 days Jason recommends.
But with all the advice about giving my muscles time to rest with full days in between I have decided to scale back.
It sounds like you are going to take the rest days now but what yopeeps was getting at is that taking a program and then changing it (and ignoring the rest days in order to do it 6x/week rather than 3x/week is changing it since rest days are an integral part of lifting weights) is making up your own program.0 -
Weight gain may simply be muscle weight as well as water gain for starters. However, since you seem to be doing everything correctly, I suggest you keep track of your body measurements. Lifting weights builds muscle and burns fat. So you are likely losing fat and inches and instead getting stronger and heavier with muscle weight. YAY! This is good .. more muscle means increased metabolism and you'll be able to eat more to maintain your weight. You can continue to eat a deficit in the meantime if you're really concerned about the weight, though at this point, being lean and muscular will weigh more than flabby fat.
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yopeeps025 wrote: »my only suggestion is why would you changed a structured program like ice cream fitness that is tried and proven into your own version? I would highly recommend following the program as structured. If you want to do light cardio on one of your rest days that is OK, but you really need one, one hundred percent rest day.
The reason I decided to do 5 or 6 days instead of 3 was because my body just felt like it could use more. I have been feeling quite good actually except for the water retention getting my scale weight up.
Anyway, by asking the question about the scale weight, I've been told here that I should follow the program as recommended with 3 days on and the rest days in between to get my muscles to recover.
As a result, I have taken today off since I did ICF 5x5 yesterday. I shall do the ICF 5x5 3 days per week and do 1 day of whatever my fitness trainer chooses for us to do. So instead of 6 days working out, I'll scale back to 4 days.
I hope this is in sync with what the experienced lifters recommend.
Thank you!!!!!!!
Every program I read says to follow the program unless you have experience weight training which it does not sound like you do OP.
I didn't say I have experience, just that my body wanted more. I could've done other workouts on my off days but I enjoyed the ICF 5x5 so much I chose to do it 5 or 6 days instead of 3.
Again, thanks to the wise responses here, I decided to cut back. Thank you
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Again, it is highly unlikely that she is building much muscle while eating 1200-1550 calories and lifting weights 6x/wk.0
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yopeeps025 wrote: »my only suggestion is why would you changed a structured program like ice cream fitness that is tried and proven into your own version? I would highly recommend following the program as structured. If you want to do light cardio on one of your rest days that is OK, but you really need one, one hundred percent rest day.
The reason I decided to do 5 or 6 days instead of 3 was because my body just felt like it could use more. I have been feeling quite good actually except for the water retention getting my scale weight up.
Anyway, by asking the question about the scale weight, I've been told here that I should follow the program as recommended with 3 days on and the rest days in between to get my muscles to recover.
As a result, I have taken today off since I did ICF 5x5 yesterday. I shall do the ICF 5x5 3 days per week and do 1 day of whatever my fitness trainer chooses for us to do. So instead of 6 days working out, I'll scale back to 4 days.
I hope this is in sync with what the experienced lifters recommend.
Thank you!!!!!!!
Every program I read says to follow the program unless you have experience weight training which it does not sound like you do OP.
I didn't say I have experience, just that my body wanted more. I could've done other workouts on my off days but I enjoyed the ICF 5x5 so much I chose to do it 5 or 6 days instead of 3.
Again, thanks to the wise responses here, I decided to cut back. Thank you
Does the program have accessory workouts you can do?
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Weight gain may simply be muscle weight as well as water gain for starters. However, since you seem to be doing everything correctly, I suggest you keep track of your body measurements. Lifting weights builds muscle and burns fat. So you are likely losing fat and inches and instead getting stronger and heavier with muscle weight. YAY! This is good .. more muscle means increased metabolism and you'll be able to eat more to maintain your weight. You can continue to eat a deficit in the meantime if you're really concerned about the weight, though at this point, being lean and muscular will weigh more than flabby fat.
I think we covered this and why it's not added muscle weight.
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