When you start working out why stall?
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »You may be dropping fat but building muscle now. If you drop 10 pounds of fat and gain 10 pounds of muscle it won't show on the scale. Also your cells hold water during strong workouts. I suggest work out 3 or 4 days then walk 2 days
Ahhh NO. It doesn't work that way. Gaining muscle is very hard work!
OP, you're retaining water while the muscles repair. Keep doing what you're doing and it will come.
Gaining muscle in the first few weeks/months after starting is incredibly easy if you're doing the right things. Not a lot, but you will do it.
EDIT: Although if you're starving your body on a drastic deficit, then yes, it will be hard.
Newbie gains and they aren't going to be 10 pounds in a deficit where someone lost 53 pounds. That train leaves the station pretty quick sometimes.0 -
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ohmscheeks wrote: »
I watch everything that I eat. I stopped all sodas in December. I stopped drinking everything but water 2 months ago. I rarely have butter etc.
I am dedicated. Not some fly by night fattie that wants to be hot. I am losing weight for me.
I was running one day and I tore my plantar fascia in half. It was the worst thing ever. I couldn't walk for over a year. I had to have surgery to finally be able to stand on my own two feet. During that time, I got lazy and gained. Now it's time to get back into shape and healthy.
I love outdoor stuff...I kayak and bike ride...well, I bike ride sometimes. I crashed and was humiliated. Lol0 -
Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »You may be dropping fat but building muscle now. If you drop 10 pounds of fat and gain 10 pounds of muscle it won't show on the scale. Also your cells hold water during strong workouts. I suggest work out 3 or 4 days then walk 2 days
Ahhh NO. It doesn't work that way. Gaining muscle is very hard work!
OP, you're retaining water while the muscles repair. Keep doing what you're doing and it will come.
Gaining muscle in the first few weeks/months after starting is incredibly easy if you're doing the right things. Not a lot, but you will do it.
EDIT: Although if you're starving your body on a drastic deficit, then yes, it will be hard.
Newbie gains and they aren't going to be 10 pounds in a deficit where someone lost 53 pounds. That train leaves the station pretty quick sometimes.
10lbs, no. 2-3? Yes. I lost ~70lbs before I started lifting, and was still in a deficit when I did. As I said, I gained roughly 2.2-2.5lbs muscle, while losing 2.2lbs fat in the first month or so.0 -
I have been lifting for over a year and still put on 4 lbs of water retention weight after a hard dead lift day.
Being new to hard and challenging lifting will take adjustment.
With the close watchful eye you have on your nutrition plan and consistent exercise program, it will settle and work out.
I like to eat maintenance level calories the day after hard workouts. And you are not even eating that much. Hmmm....
Just give it a little time for your body to get used to it.
I would think about eating more after heavy weight days. A little. Or cut back on intensity so you are not tearing muscle tissue down without adequate nutrition to build it back
Just a thought.
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I had lost 40 lbs before I joined the gym 8-9 months ago. After joining and starting strength training, I gained weight the first week, and then stalled for the next 5-6 weeks. After my body adjusted to the new lifting routine, the weight started to come off again.
Google it, you'll see it is pretty common for weight loss to stall after starting any new fitness routine. It will start again. Be patient
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madhatter2013 wrote: »madhatter2013 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »You may be dropping fat but building muscle now. If you drop 10 pounds of fat and gain 10 pounds of muscle it won't show on the scale. Also your cells hold water during strong workouts. I suggest work out 3 or 4 days then walk 2 days
Ahhh NO. It doesn't work that way. Gaining muscle is very hard work!
OP, you're retaining water while the muscles repair. Keep doing what you're doing and it will come.
aaaaand there it is
I meant to say you cant do both at once so op would need to do strength one week or 4 days then cardio the next.. Op would need to increase calories during the workout sessions (for muscle) and decrease calories for cardio (fat burning).0 -
whatatime2befit wrote: »I had lost 40 lbs before I joined the gym 8-9 months ago. After joining and starting strength training, I gained weight the first week, and then stalled for the next 5-6 weeks. After my body adjusted to the new lifting routine, the weight started to come off again.
Google it, you'll see it is pretty common for weight loss to stall after starting any new fitness routine. It will start again. Be patient
Thank you!!!!
I do have the patience thankfully - but I will add that I hope these next few weeks go by FAST!!!
AND GREAT JOB TO YOU!0 -
professionalHobbyist wrote: »I have been lifting for over a year and still put on 4 lbs of water retention weight after a hard dead lift day.
Being new to hard and challenging lifting will take adjustment.
With the close watchful eye you have on your nutrition plan and consistent exercise program, it will settle and work out.
I like to eat maintenance level calories the day after hard workouts. And you are not even eating that much. Hmmm....
Just give it a little time for your body to get used to it.
I would think about eating more after heavy weight days. A little. Or cut back on intensity so you are not tearing muscle tissue down without adequate nutrition to build it back
Just a thought.
What do you mean by maintenance level calories?
I get in about 70-90grams of protein per day...
When I do my weights - free weights they are only about 10-15 lbs each.
And my leg presses are 90-100lbs
Other stuff is about 30ish.
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I'd recommend you lift a biit heavier,and I'd cut down the cardio a bit,oh well it's how I did it . 100 lbs for leg press seems very little then again I don't remember how much I did at first.
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happymidgets101 wrote: »I don't know your specifics, but it's also possible that you've reached equilibrium. (calories in = calories out)
Remember, your daily caloric maintenance needs will go down as you lose weight. Need to adjust accordingly.
My nutritionist told me 1100 calories... and I stick with it....for now.
This is not enough to sustain your routine with a healthy metabolism. You're probably suffering from metabolic suppression from severe under eating. Working out for 6 hours/week and eating UNDER the recommended minimum for anyone is not sustainable and can cause negative effects. Do you notice you have cold hands/feet (especially in FtW where it's 100 plus outside), irritability or even thinning hair?
Please come by the Eat More 2 Weigh Less (EM2WL) group and check out the stickies.
community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/3817-eat-more-2-weigh-less
From your neighbor in Fort Worth!0 -
I will check it out...but will say it's kinda confusing when a nutritionist tells me one thing and you are trying to tell me another.
I'm perplexed
I do not get irritable but I do get cold sometimes...but not outside... my hair is pretty dang good but I take vitamins!
I will look more into it as I stated.....
I appreciate0 -
happymidgets101 wrote: »I will check it out...but will say it's kinda confusing when a nutritionist tells me one thing and you are trying to tell me another.
I'm perplexed
I apologize for the confusion. Also I AM NOT a registered dietitian or nutritionist! That being said a lot of nutritionist are not "registered dietitians" and in some states cannot even give nutrition counseling for pay without the certification. I know that even the government says you shouldn't eat less than 1200 calories per day and that number has increased, see here choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories-amount.html
Speaking of registered dietitians Laura Schoenfeld MPH, RD is and this is what she thinks about undereating.
chriskresser.com/are-you-an-under-eater-8-signs-youre-not-eating-enough/
Not to mention the other eleventy-billion other results in the google machine that recommend 2000/day for 19-30 y/o SEDENTARY female. Which you are not sedentary.
Now some trainers/nutritionist will put you on a plan that says eat X amount of calories and then eat back half or 60% or 75% of your exercise calories. This is to keep you in a deficit but to keep you from a net intake of less than 1200, which is the considered base BMR for most people.
Or they prescribe to the narrative that bigger deficit bigger weight loss, but that isn't necessarily the case. bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/why-big-caloric-deficits-and-lots-of-activity-can-hurt-fat-loss.html/
muscleforlife.com/the-quickest-way-to-lose-weight/
I'm not trying to discredit your nutritionist, but I just want to give you a different perspective that may help.0 -
You may be dropping fat but building muscle now. If you drop 10 pounds of fat and gain 10 pounds of muscle it won't show on the scale. Also your cells hold water during strong workouts. I suggest work out 3 or 4 days then walk 2 days
^^^This is absolutely not happening^^^
If you are in a deficit you are not gaining muscle. Period.
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jeffpettis wrote: »You may be dropping fat but building muscle now. If you drop 10 pounds of fat and gain 10 pounds of muscle it won't show on the scale. Also your cells hold water during strong workouts. I suggest work out 3 or 4 days then walk 2 days
^^^This is absolutely not happening^^^
If you are in a deficit you are not gaining muscle. Period.
Can you explain what exactly a deficit is?
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happymidgets101 wrote: »
Can you explain what exactly a deficit is?
When you are eating (taking in) less calories than your body is burning (going out).
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happymidgets101 wrote: »jeffpettis wrote: »You may be dropping fat but building muscle now. If you drop 10 pounds of fat and gain 10 pounds of muscle it won't show on the scale. Also your cells hold water during strong workouts. I suggest work out 3 or 4 days then walk 2 days
^^^This is absolutely not happening^^^
If you are in a deficit you are not gaining muscle. Period.
Can you explain what exactly a deficit is?
Sorry. I assumed since you had already lost quite a bit of weight you knew what a calorie deficit was. Being in a calorie deficit is how you lost the weight in the first place. A calorie deficit is the only thing that is absolutely required for weight loss to occur. Exercise is for fitness and body composition. I would suggest doing some research on calories in versus calories out.
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Ijeffpettis wrote: »happymidgets101 wrote: »jeffpettis wrote: »You may be dropping fat but building muscle now. If you drop 10 pounds of fat and gain 10 pounds of muscle it won't show on the scale. Also your cells hold water during strong workouts. I suggest work out 3 or 4 days then walk 2 days
^^^This is absolutely not happening^^^
If you are in a deficit you are not gaining muscle. Period.
Can you explain what exactly a deficit is?
Sorry. I assumed since you had already lost quite a bit of weight you knew what a calorie deficit was. Being in a calorie deficit is how you lost the weight in the first place. A calorie deficit is the only thing that is absolutely required for weight loss to occur. Exercise is for fitness and body composition. I would suggest doing some research on calories in versus calories out.
Just wanted to hear your version .
From what I know, it's the difference in what you give as to what you take in.0 -
XaXavierNusum wrote: »happymidgets101 wrote: »I will check it out...but will say it's kinda confusing when a nutritionist tells me one thing and you are trying to tell me another.
I'm perplexed
I apologize for the confusion. Also I AM NOT a registered dietitian or nutritionist! That being said a lot of nutritionist are not "registered dietitians" and in some states cannot even give nutrition counseling for pay without the certification. I know that even the government says you shouldn't eat less than 1200 calories per day and that number has increased, see here choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories-amount.html
Speaking of registered dietitians Laura Schoenfeld MPH, RD is and this is what she thinks about undereating.
chriskresser.com/are-you-an-under-eater-8-signs-youre-not-eating-enough/
Not to mention the other eleventy-billion other results in the google machine that recommend 2000/day for 19-30 y/o SEDENTARY female. Which you are not sedentary.
Now some trainers/nutritionist will put you on a plan that says eat X amount of calories and then eat back half or 60% or 75% of your exercise calories. This is to keep you in a deficit but to keep you from a net intake of less than 1200, which is the considered base BMR for most people.
Or they prescribe to the narrative that bigger deficit bigger weight loss, but that isn't necessarily the case. bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/why-big-caloric-deficits-and-lots-of-activity-can-hurt-fat-loss.html/
muscleforlife.com/the-quickest-way-to-lose-weight/
I'm not trying to discredit your nutritionist, but I just want to give you a different perspective that may help.
Xavier,
I am currently reading up on the info you have provided.
The scooby link is telling me 1825 calories. Provided I have done it correctly.
I am researching and trying to put this all together. I prefer it to soak in and learn before I do something drastic. And I don't mean drastic in a negative connotation
I am the sort that would prefer a class to sit and learn instead of reading, but I'll make it work
Reading the stickies and more!
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happymidgets101 wrote: »
Xavier,
I am currently reading up on the info you have provided.
The scooby link is telling me 1825 calories. Provided I have done it correctly.
I am researching and trying to put this all together. I prefer it to soak in and learn before I do something drastic. And I don't mean drastic in a negative connotation
I am the sort that would prefer a class to sit and learn instead of reading, but I'll make it work
Reading the stickies and more!
I get what you're saying. Years of math, science and technical text books have killed my love of reading!
That's why technology and the internet are awesome. Check out the Half-size Me podcast episodes 80 & 81. It's a 2 part interview with the ladies that started the EM2WL movement which started right here as a MFP group.
halfsizeme.com/category/podcast/
Also check out the EM2WL youtube channel where Kiki talks you through most of the basic tenants of the program.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL09917F53B3B517FF
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvGykG4RmD...
Also if you want a more specific explanations check out the EM2WL group posts. I'm sure you'll find someone with similar stats and activity to see what info they were given. heybales is the resident smarty pants that gives all of the scientific answers. He is absolutely awesome and will answer question after question with the patience of a saint. Not like some of the gurus around these boards.
Anyway, take your time, don't rush into anything and feel free to ask me whatever questions you may have. If I don't know I'll tell you and try to direct you to someone who does.0
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