After only 3 weeks, I've dropped an entire pound!!! Woo Hoo!!
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lol i know the feeling, ive been working my *kitten* off for 3 weeks, eating and drinking healthy and i lost 4,4lbs, 62lbs to go, those 3 weeks already felt like eternity
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How long did this take you? If it took less than 2 hours, you probably didn't burn 1000 calories.purelyprimitives wrote: »You did not, I repeat emphatically did NOT burn over 1000 calories moving boxes for 90 minutes
You need to half that at least
This was taken from this site's activity list which was the closest thing I could find to the actual activity. I would challenge your statement because what I actually did was lift 40 pounds of preprocessed wood blocks and carried them down 10 stairs and walked 40 feet to stack them in my cellar, walked back 40 feet and climbed the 10 stairs. I repeated this 52 times! There are probably much better 'work' calculators that would show that I more than likely exceeded 1000 calories.
So, I want to tell you, honestly, it seems like you're resistant to the advice people here are giving. I don't mean to offend you, truly. But here's how you sound to me:
"I'm doing EVERYTHING right, but I'm not losing help! ... Well no, I don't weigh... no, in fact I use generic entries... no, I'm over-estimating my daily activities... But surely my data is accurate because I'm guessing really well. It's too hard to be accurate."
You don't have to change what you're doing -- no one will force you -- but you aren't losing doing what you're doing. So maybe take a look at the thread again, and EVEN IF WE ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERY SINGLE SUGGESTION WE'VE MADE, maybe accept that what you THINK you're doing right, isn't really working for you. And then come back with open ears instead of excuses and help us work WITH you to find something that WILL work for you and your lifestyle.0 -
I'm 190# and 5'6" to burn 1000 calories I have to run, nonstop, for 8-9 miles (roughly 90-110 minutes). This is based on doing exactly that while wearing a heart rate monitor to estimate calorie burn.
Exercise and being active do not burn NEARLY as many calories as people tend to think. Running one mile only burns, on average, 125 calories....and running a mile (or more!) is hard! A typical doughnut is between 250-300 calories. You would have to run 2-2.5 miles to burn off the calories from ONE doughnut.
Yes, it was hard work to haul all that wood....but it wasn't a 1000+ calorie burn.0 -
SimoneBee12 wrote: »purelyprimitives wrote: »You did not, I repeat emphatically did NOT burn over 1000 calories moving boxes for 90 minutes
You need to half that at least
This was taken from this site's activity list which was the closest thing I could find to the actual activity. I would challenge your statement because what I actually did was lift 40 pounds of preprocessed wood blocks and carried them down 10 stairs and walked 40 feet to stack them in my cellar, walked back 40 feet and climbed the 10 stairs. I repeated this 52 times! There are probably much better 'work' calculators that would show that I more than likely exceeded 1000 calories.
What Rabbit was saying was that it's too high of a burn, not that you didn't work hard. I'm 60lbs over weight and I would have to constantly run for 90 minutes to burn less than 1000 calories. Even if your heart rate was elevated, I really doubt you burnt 1000 in 90 minutes.
And consider how successful Rabbit has been I would definitely believe her.
I didn't make this number up you know. This came from this site's activity calculator. Unless you are arguing that the calculator is totally meaningless? If this calculator is meaningless, what does that say about the site?0 -
The calculator is not accurate and says nothing about the site cuz its impossible to give you the right stats per person. Wear a hrm and you know for sure
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Oh, and lifting weights can be found in the data base as Strength training, but calories estimates from strength training are very inaccurate because your heart rate is not elevated to the same level for the duration of the lifting session (you take breaks in between sets, etc..). The results will be a VERY rough estimate.0
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purelyprimitives wrote: »SimoneBee12 wrote: »purelyprimitives wrote: »You did not, I repeat emphatically did NOT burn over 1000 calories moving boxes for 90 minutes
You need to half that at least
This was taken from this site's activity list which was the closest thing I could find to the actual activity. I would challenge your statement because what I actually did was lift 40 pounds of preprocessed wood blocks and carried them down 10 stairs and walked 40 feet to stack them in my cellar, walked back 40 feet and climbed the 10 stairs. I repeated this 52 times! There are probably much better 'work' calculators that would show that I more than likely exceeded 1000 calories.
What Rabbit was saying was that it's too high of a burn, not that you didn't work hard. I'm 60lbs over weight and I would have to constantly run for 90 minutes to burn less than 1000 calories. Even if your heart rate was elevated, I really doubt you burnt 1000 in 90 minutes.
And consider how successful Rabbit has been I would definitely believe her.
I didn't make this number up you know. This came from this site's activity calculator. Unless you are arguing that the calculator is totally meaningless? If this calculator is meaningless, what does that say about the site?
If you had read some of the previous posts you would notice people mention that the exercise database on here is unreliable and often time it overestimates calories burnt twofold. I would be surprised if you burnt more than 300 calories NET during that 90 minutes.0 -
well i doubt its under 300 after 90 min, i burn around 400-600 in 45-60min and that is with a hrm adjusted to my stats.0
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How long did this take you? If it took less than 2 hours, you probably didn't burn 1000 calories.purelyprimitives wrote: »You did not, I repeat emphatically did NOT burn over 1000 calories moving boxes for 90 minutes
You need to half that at least
This was taken from this site's activity list which was the closest thing I could find to the actual activity. I would challenge your statement because what I actually did was lift 40 pounds of preprocessed wood blocks and carried them down 10 stairs and walked 40 feet to stack them in my cellar, walked back 40 feet and climbed the 10 stairs. I repeated this 52 times! There are probably much better 'work' calculators that would show that I more than likely exceeded 1000 calories.
So, I want to tell you, honestly, it seems like you're resistant to the advice people here are giving. I don't mean to offend you, truly. But here's how you sound to me:
"I'm doing EVERYTHING right, but I'm not losing help! ... Well no, I don't weigh... no, in fact I use generic entries... no, I'm over-estimating my daily activities... But surely my data is accurate because I'm guessing really well. It's too hard to be accurate."
You don't have to change what you're doing -- no one will force you -- but you aren't losing doing what you're doing. So maybe take a look at the thread again, and EVEN IF WE ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERY SINGLE SUGGESTION WE'VE MADE, maybe accept that what you THINK you're doing right, isn't really working for you. And then come back with open ears instead of excuses and help us work WITH you to find something that WILL work for you and your lifestyle.
No offense taken (well, maybe a little). But to be honest, what I've learned from the responses so far is that the activity calculator is meaningless, the 'verified' caloric content of food list shouldn't be trusted and because of this, I'm being accused of whining? Not feeling the love here....
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purelyprimitives wrote: »
How long did this take you? If it took less than 2 hours, you probably didn't burn 1000 calories.purelyprimitives wrote: »You did not, I repeat emphatically did NOT burn over 1000 calories moving boxes for 90 minutes
You need to half that at least
This was taken from this site's activity list which was the closest thing I could find to the actual activity. I would challenge your statement because what I actually did was lift 40 pounds of preprocessed wood blocks and carried them down 10 stairs and walked 40 feet to stack them in my cellar, walked back 40 feet and climbed the 10 stairs. I repeated this 52 times! There are probably much better 'work' calculators that would show that I more than likely exceeded 1000 calories.
So, I want to tell you, honestly, it seems like you're resistant to the advice people here are giving. I don't mean to offend you, truly. But here's how you sound to me:
"I'm doing EVERYTHING right, but I'm not losing help! ... Well no, I don't weigh... no, in fact I use generic entries... no, I'm over-estimating my daily activities... But surely my data is accurate because I'm guessing really well. It's too hard to be accurate."
You don't have to change what you're doing -- no one will force you -- but you aren't losing doing what you're doing. So maybe take a look at the thread again, and EVEN IF WE ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERY SINGLE SUGGESTION WE'VE MADE, maybe accept that what you THINK you're doing right, isn't really working for you. And then come back with open ears instead of excuses and help us work WITH you to find something that WILL work for you and your lifestyle.
No offense taken (well, maybe a little). But to be honest, what I've learned from the responses so far is that the activity calculator is meaningless, the 'verified' caloric content of food list shouldn't be trusted and because of this, I'm being accused of whining? Not feeling the love here....
To be fair, your original post said "calorie counting doesn't work for me" and what we're telling you is you're not being accurate. It would work better for you if you could increase your accuracy. And then you reject all the advice we try to give.
Here's some threads with good advice, if it helps.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1175494-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/912920-in-place-of-a-road-map-3-2013
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1234699-logging-accurately-step-by-step-guide0 -
Oh, and lifting weights can be found in the data base as Strength training, but calories estimates from strength training are very inaccurate because your heart rate is not elevated to the same level for the duration of the lifting session (you take breaks in between sets, etc..). The results will be a VERY rough estimate.
Maybe you have a different activity calculator?
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It would be my dream come true to lose a pound every 3 weeks, and eat 2000 calories a day.0
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Look
I don't mean to be harsh here but
Nobody takes the MFP activity database at face value ...most people half the calories before entering them ( just double click on the calories and manually overwrite them then enter) ...the regular advice is take 50-75% of them, personally I would never take more than about 50% ...they overestimate for the majority of people
You then judge against your average weight loss over 6-8 weeks and adjust from there,maybe you can eat more probably not
What you did I would reckon was 500-600 calories worth possibly
Hard work and lifting does not equate to a high burn ...most people don't log calories for weight lifting at all to be fair.
Also an HRM wouldn't measure that kind of activity so please don't take that advice
But it's just my advice ...take it or don't
Weigh all food ...no guessing or cups
Half all calorie burns in the MFP database, or a gym machine
Good luck
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I thought it was about 90 min of jogging but its about strenght training?
Also an HRM wouldn't measure that kind of activity so please don't take that advice
Yeah strenght training a hrm doesnt work, there are hrm out there that actually can calculate for strenght training but they are mad expensive.
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purelyprimitives wrote: »Oh, and lifting weights can be found in the data base as Strength training, but calories estimates from strength training are very inaccurate because your heart rate is not elevated to the same level for the duration of the lifting session (you take breaks in between sets, etc..). The results will be a VERY rough estimate.
Maybe you have a different activity calculator?
The MFP database ....I would half that figure too tbh..weight lifting is not a calorie burner
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I quickly checked another site for the calories burned for different activities. If you extrapolate the weight out to my portly self at 233, this particular site estimates that these activities burn about 850 cals/hour. So for 90 minutes, that works out to 1275 calories burned.
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Well your body is telling you that's not true0
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You can argue the toss all you like whilst sitting there with the scale not moving OR you can implement some recommendations from those who have successfully lost weight on this site and see how that goes for a couple of weeks.
I know which one I'd go with, even if it does bruise my special snowflake ego..............0 -
Biggest eye opener from using MFP correctly (weighing everything) is realising that "portion size" recommended by packaging is much smaller than we are used to - the average dinner plate is large enough for 3-4 portions, even more if you're having seconds. A portion of breakfast cereal is meant to be a tiny bowl - if you fill up a normal soup bowl (as we do because that's what they do on tv shows), that's more like 3-4 portions.
One great tip that stuck in my mind is this: your stomach is the size of your closed fist - your meals don't need to be much larger to fill you up (even though your mind may be saying "noooo, I'm staaaarving!").
Replace potatoes/rice/bread with lower starch foods (more veg, for example - e.g. replace some of the potato in mash with carrots, or serve half the rice and make up the difference in things like peas and sweet corn). Starches are great if you exercise regularly (more than 4-5 times a week), for the rest of us they tend to be empty calories.
Finally, watch your drinking intake - make sure to log hot drinks (e.g. coffee w. milk). They add up quickly.0 -
Well your body is telling you that's not true
I don't exercise like this every day but it will be interesting to see if it makes any impact.
Going with the information that I do know, according to scooby and based on my personal information my TDEE is 2471 which is for simply maintaining my weight (which is what I am doing). As you can see in my food log I'm averaging 1200 cals/day. I'm being told that I'm just not being accurate weighing/measuring my food. The only thing I can conclude from this is that I am under-reporting 50% of the calories of every single thing that I eat. I'm seriously not trying to be argumentative but this doesn't seem like a likely explanation to me.
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We have this show in the UK called Secret Eaters - I think it's great, because it pokes at this exact problem. Every time the couple says they eat less than their thin friends, they don't understand why they're putting it all on, and then when the detectives are put on them, they find themselves eating 3x their daily limit (with obvious results). A lot of the time they don't actually realise they are cheating themselves - they're just so used to not counting what goes in their mouth that they miss most of the cals going in.
This is the official page for the show: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/secret-eaters0 -
purelyprimitives wrote: »Regarding weighing the food, in most cases I use measuring cups to size the portions or use the portion information from the package. Sometimes weighing can be difficult. For instance, for supper tonight my wife is making a zucchini - chicken baked casserole with fresh string beans on the side from our garden. If I weigh the portion that I eat, how much is zucchini and how much is chicken.. Once everything is mixed up there is no real way to determine the exact calorie content so all I can do is estimate.
Multiple people here have suggested that you purchase and use a food scale and enter all your homemade entries into the recipe builder. This WILL work. An estimate of one portion from the recipe builder will be far more accurate than what you eyeball and estimate yourself. I do this for casseroles and stir fry and anything that I make. One helping might be slightly higher in calories than another but it is not going to be significant enough to affect my loss.
Measuring cups and spoons don't work for me. For example: 2 TBS of peanut butter is ~190 calories. When I weighed out 2 tablespoons from my measuring spoons it was easily double that. The extra 100 or 200 calories for each thing throughout the day will certainly add up and negate that deficit that you thought you had. Sometimes using a scale can be advantageous and allow you to eat more food, too. Things like watermelon or strawberries. No one cup of these things is ever going to be the same calorie count, but 100g of these things will always be the same amount of calories.
I understand that it's time consuming and take a while to get used to but once you make it a habit and start seeing results you will wonder why you ever resisted. I had a friend who told me that using a food scale was a little too extreme for her and yet she wasn't losing weight. She finally purchased a food scale and measured out things like cereal and butter and started seeing results that week.
You have gotten some great advice and you now have the tools to do this. If you use those tools and listen to the advice is your choice. You can continue to estimate things the way you have been or you can make a few small changes and know that your calories count is as accurate as humanly possible. This journey is hard. If it was easy everyone would be at their ideal weight. You can lose the weight in a healthy, sustainable way if you are really committed. I believe in you.0 -
Carrying heavy boxes around, especially up and/or down stairs requires greater effort than standing (or sitting) in one place and lifting weights. Of course it does. Duh.
But if you want to lose more weight, you're going to need to make some changes. Either start weighing all the food or drop your calorie total. Consider eating maybe half the exercise calories.
If what you're doing isn't working, you have to do something else. Only you can decide what to tweak. You've received a lot of hints that might be helpful. Take them or don't, but something has to change if you want to change how much you lose.
Or change nothing and stick with your one pound every three weeks. If you're good with that, then yay.
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Before I started using MFP, an average bangers & mash meal would be 3 medium potatoes and 3-4 sausages each. Or on shopping day when we'd get a ready meal, I'd have a entire 150g bag of crisps as a "starter", while dinner was cooking. At the time I didn't think I was eating that much, but when I realised how much I was actually putting away it was a real face palm moment. 0
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Start using the recipe builder...its super easy and WAY more accurate than the generic listings. I just made a recipe this morning, I had 7 ingredients in a cold dip. I scanned each item with my phone as I made the recipe and it literally added maybe 2 minutes more to the process than normal. BUT I now know what the exact calories are that I'll consume eating it.0
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But if you want to lose more weight, you're going to need to make some changes. Either start weighing all the food or drop your calorie total. Consider eating maybe half the exercise calories.
If what you're doing isn't working, you have to do something else. Only you can decide what to tweak. You've received a lot of hints that might be helpful. Take them or don't, but something has to change if you want to change how much you lose.
Or change nothing and stick with your one pound every three weeks. If you're good with that, then yay.
Actually that, 'one pound every three weeks' has disappeared.
But you are 100% correct. Something has to change. I'm going to continue to track my calories and try to reduce them on a weekly basis until I see some results. Thanks to everyone for their help!
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purelyprimitives wrote: »Well your body is telling you that's not true
I don't exercise like this every day but it will be interesting to see if it makes any impact.
Going with the information that I do know, according to scooby and based on my personal information my TDEE is 2471 which is for simply maintaining my weight (which is what I am doing). As you can see in my food log I'm averaging 1200 cals/day. I'm being told that I'm just not being accurate weighing/measuring my food. The only thing I can conclude from this is that I am under-reporting 50% of the calories of every single thing that I eat. I'm seriously not trying to be argumentative but this doesn't seem like a likely explanation to me.
Watch this, from 18.15 ...you're not unusual ...miscalculating, under-estimating is the norm
http://www.documentarytube.com/videos/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-losing-weight
Try doing it properly ...weighing ...building your own recipes...double checking any MFP entry
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purelyprimitives wrote: »Well your body is telling you that's not true
I don't exercise like this every day but it will be interesting to see if it makes any impact.
Going with the information that I do know, according to scooby and based on my personal information my TDEE is 2471 which is for simply maintaining my weight (which is what I am doing). As you can see in my food log I'm averaging 1200 cals/day. I'm being told that I'm just not being accurate weighing/measuring my food. The only thing I can conclude from this is that I am under-reporting 50% of the calories of every single thing that I eat. I'm seriously not trying to be argumentative but this doesn't seem like a likely explanation to me.
Watch this, from 18.15 ...you're not unusual ...miscalculating, under-estimating is the norm
http://www.documentarytube.com/videos/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-losing-weight
Try doing it properly ...weighing ...building your own recipes...double checking any MFP entry
Good luck
I was just about to link that video, Rabbit. So great.
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Didn't realize the video was so long but will make an attempt to get through it over time. Its odd that it only got a 5.6 out of 10 review??0
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