After only 3 weeks, I've dropped an entire pound!!! Woo Hoo!!
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purelyprimitives wrote: »OK I can take a hint. No one here is willing to believe that I am eating less calories than I ever have and still not losing weight. My apparently heretical opinion is not welcome. I get it. I won't be back.
Until you weigh/measure with complete accuracy, or until you've seen a doctor and have a proven, diagnosed medical condition, we're not going to believe you have the ability to gain that much weight on your asserted caloric intake. Sorry.
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janejellyroll wrote: »purelyprimitives wrote: »OK its open. The 1000 would be the total calories disregarding any activity.
OP, I feel like this thread is going in circles. People keep talking about weighing your food and not using generic entries and you disregard that. It's fine -- that's your choice. But it's pretty clear that your results are being driven by your logging. You have "Hamburger 7 oz" as an entry. Okay, what type of meat? My store sells at least two different types of ground beef and they have different calorie contents. I also get the feeling that you didn't weigh the burger (although you may have). You have things like "2 pieces bacon." How much is that? ".5 cup tuna salad" -- is it made like my grandma makes it with a little bit of low fat mayo and lots of veggies or how my aunt makes it, more like a mayo dip with a bit of tuna in it? These things change the calorie count.
It's your logging. As much as you want to fight it, the issue seems pretty straightforward.
I fully agree.
I'm surprised this thread is still here, lol.
Is mayonnaise an instrument?
Sorry, quoting spongebob...my husband is like a big kid...0 -
purelyprimitives wrote: »OK I can take a hint. No one here is willing to believe that I am eating less calories than I ever have and still not losing weight. My apparently heretical opinion is not welcome. I get it. I won't be back.
I don't believe it myself because I eat more calories than you do and my weight is going down.0 -
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purelyprimitives wrote: »OK I can take a hint. No one here is willing to believe that I am eating less calories than I ever have and still not losing weight.
You may be eating less than you ever have.
But you're definitely not eating at a deficit.My apparently heretical opinion is not welcome. I get it. I won't be back.
Bye!
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If you can afford half-pound burgers, you can afford a kitchen scale.0
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What you fail to get is that your opinion is not actually worth anything until you actually commit to doing this properly.
Opinions and facts...you're 67, you should know the difference by now.
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" Leonardo da Vinci
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OP,
On the outside chance you've returned, you might find this video to be of interest:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA9AdlhB18o
There's another one for you, about accuracy in measurement vs estimating, but I can't find it at the moment - @rabbitjb , maybe you have a link?0 -
That's already been posted in here @flatlndr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjWPclrWVY
And
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKPIcI51lU&feature=youtu.be 0 -
"Children have a higher TMR than adults. As people near middle-age they gain weight many times, even though they may not change their eating habits. People who pursue diets can become frustrated in part because initial weight lost is from water that is rapidly regained, but also because their TMR declines over time. As their diet process progresses, they burn fewer calories and begin to synthesize more fat, even with a stable intake of calories."
http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/metabolism/0 -
100 calories a decade less due to decreased activity and decreased muscles
Solution : move more / lift heavy
Not a solution: keep finding excuses for failing0 -
purelyprimitives wrote: »"Children have a higher TMR than adults. As people near middle-age they gain weight many times, even though they may not change their eating habits. People who pursue diets can become frustrated in part because initial weight lost is from water that is rapidly regained, but also because their TMR declines over time. As their diet process progresses, they burn fewer calories and begin to synthesize more fat, even with a stable intake of calories."
http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/metabolism/
You've convinced me! Calorie counting doesn't work for you
Well, that is one possible outcome. The other is you put a similar amount of effort into logging your food accurately and tell us about all the lbs you drop
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It's true, that my weight started creeping up at age 40, before this I never had a weight problem and maintained the same weight throughout adulthood.
All it means is that I have to work a little bit harder, and be a little bit more vigilant. But I'm still able to lose weight.
Stop searching for excuses why you cant lose weight, and start looking for reasons why you can..
Head down, bum up. You CAN do it!!!!!!!
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These are not excuses but simply facts of life. BMR does slow as we age and the terrible irony is that restricting calories only makes it worse. The key is the loss of 'free-fat mass'.
"Most people tend to experience a reduction in their metabolic rate as they age, which can lead to the unhealthy accumulation of extra body fat.1-4,18,19 A wealth of evidence now suggests that this tendency to pack on pounds over time originates with changes in your body's relationship with calories:
1. With age, your energy expenditure drops due to a decline in resting metabolic rate.3,4
2. Aging may also cause a reduction in the conversion of stored body fat to energy.20
3. There is an age-related reduction in fat-free mass in your body—which means a proportionate loss of this more metabolically active and energy-burning muscle tissue.2,18,19,21,22
4. Attempts to lose excess weight trigger a decrease in resting metabolic rate— ironically contributing to continued weight gain.5-7"
http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2012/12/Age-Related-Metabolic-Decline-Weight-Gain/Page-010 -
There are other people on here your age or older who are losing weight just fine by doing the things that you are fighting doing. Maybe try doing things instead of researching excuses, i don't know.
You don't seem to want help, so I'm not sure why this thread continues.0 -
Blueseraphchaos wrote: »There are other people on here your age or older who are losing weight just fine by doing the things that you are fighting doing. Maybe try doing things instead of researching excuses, i don't know.
That great for them. Not everyone is the same.You don't seem to want help, so I'm not sure why this thread continues.
I only returned to address some of the insults thrown at me. Yes, I've come to the realization that I will not be able to lose weight and I'm good with that. This really will be my last post.
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Lol....i hope you are this stubborn in other areas of your life.
Good luck with everything.0 -
purelyprimitives wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »There are other people on here your age or older who are losing weight just fine by doing the things that you are fighting doing. Maybe try doing things instead of researching excuses, i don't know.
That great for them. Not everyone is the same.You don't seem to want help, so I'm not sure why this thread continues.
I only returned to address some of the insults thrown at me. Yes, I've come to the realization that I will not be able to lose weight and I'm good with that. This really will be my last post.
That is pure and utter Bullsh*t!!
Sorry, I'm not usually this blunt, but to see someone resign themselves to being overweight for the rest of their lives is just plain sad!!!
Of course you can lose weight. You've just chosen the easy, couldn't be bothered path. ..
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christinev297 wrote: »That is pure and utter Bullsh*t!!
Christine, stop holding back dear and let us know what you think!
purelyprimitives wrote: »These are not excuses but simply facts of life. BMR does slow as we age and the terrible irony is that restricting calories only makes it worse. The key is the loss of 'free-fat mass'.
http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2012/12/Age-Related-Metabolic-Decline-Weight-Gain/Page-01
Sorry, I know I am a bit slow; but, I am confused as to the point you're trying to make.
So because of your age it is a little bit/a lot/very much harder for you to lose weight.
OK. And... so what?
Is losing weight easy for women with PCOS? It is easy for people with thyroid problems? Is it particularly easy for people with mobility problems?
Eat a bit less. Move a bit more. Maintain a 500 to 750 Cal deficit... see you next year about 43lbs lighter.
Get impatient and try to force the issue by being heroic in your weight loss efforts, or, the opposite, which is what it looks like you're currently doing, fail to maintain a deficit most of the time, and you will still be at the same weight, or higher, in 12 months.
Most of the people advising you have found out what works for them, and based on the advice I've seen people give you, and unless you're a very special snowflake, what they have suggested will also work for you, if you ever decide to implement it.
Really, at the end of the day it is 100% up to you what you want to prioritize.
Best of luck in your endeavours.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »That is pure and utter Bullsh*t!!
Christine, stop holding back dear and let us know what you think!purelyprimitives wrote: »These are not excuses but simply facts of life. BMR does slow as we age and the terrible irony is that restricting calories only makes it worse. The key is the loss of 'free-fat mass'.
http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2012/12/Age-Related-Metabolic-Decline-Weight-Gain/Page-01
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I know, I don't know what's come over me today, I've been a complete poo poo head all over the forums this afternoon!
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purelyprimitives wrote: »Blueseraphchaos wrote: »There are other people on here your age or older who are losing weight just fine by doing the things that you are fighting doing. Maybe try doing things instead of researching excuses, i don't know.
That great for them. Not everyone is the same.You don't seem to want help, so I'm not sure why this thread continues.
I only returned to address some of the insults thrown at me. Yes, I've come to the realization that I will not be able to lose weight and I'm good with that. This really will be my last post.
Let's see, using the Scooby calculator for my height, my university age weight, and a variety of ages, I get the following maintenance calories for sedentary activity level:
age- 21: 2200 cals
- age 52: 2000 cals
- age 65: 1900 cals
So, I can do two things.- I can look at that list, say that it's inevitable that I'm going to get heavier, and just live with it (which is pretty much what I did for the last 15-20 years), or
- I can use those numbers, set my targets appropriately, up my activity level, and shed that accumulated fat (which is what I've been doing since Jan 2014 - have you seen my profile pic?)
The choice is yours ... I hope that when I'm 65 (and beyond), I continue to follow option 2, and not languish with option 1.
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Not sure anyone mentioned this, but if you're using the scooby calculator, exercise is already calculated. So you can't then add exercises. It's an average so that's why you have to be as reasonable as possible when you select the type of activity level you have.
So basically, you either use the scooby info or MFP, not both together.
For the scooby, you would be modifying MFP's calorie entry to 2000 (let's say) and then ignoring anything doing with exercise entries.
For MFP, you'd be using the site's caloric intake, entering any actual exercise (not daily life stuff unless it was significantly different from your daily level) and eating back around 60-75% of those exercise cals back.
I'm including two pics to show you what I mean. These are for the 1lbs a week you mentioned...adjust your level of activity accordingly though because I don't know what your real levels are. I left them at deskjob for scooby and lightly active for MFP.
These are merely starting points though. Every person is different. This info is meant to be adjusted as you go if you don't see the results you're looking for after 3-4 weeks.
I cannot stress enough using the recipe builder. I weight everything solid once it's been prepared for cooking and before it gets cooked. On a proper food scale and I only use measuring cups for liquids. Once it's cooked, I portion out if it's for multiple meals or just eat it if it's for 1 meal. What the calories have become once the items are cooked is pretty much irrelevant.
There's a wealth of info in this thread.0 -
I swore I wouldn't be back but here's Scooby's Calorie Calculator results based on just what you have shown but with only 3 meals a day (even though I only eat 2) instead of 6 -
So after 5 YEARS of dieting I'll finally arrive at my goal of being.......obese???
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Everyone reading this thread -- except you -- understands that you're eating more than 1200 calories per day.0
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The World's Most Accurate calculator above says I can eat 2057/day to lose 30 pounds in 5 years and I'll still be obese. Sounds like a great plan.....
Regardless, did you know that I haven't gained 1 pound in the last 10 months?? I bounced up or down a pound or two but I weight exactly what I did last October. And this, even though I've attended many holiday celebrations and birthdays where I definitely ate much more than my TDEE. How do you explain this?0 -
purelyprimitives wrote: »The World's Most Accurate calculator above says I can eat 2057/day to lose 30 pounds in 5 years and I'll still be obese. Sounds like a great plan.....
Regardless, did you know that I haven't gained 1 pound in the last 10 months?? I bounced up or down a pound or two but I weight exactly what I did last October. And this, even though I've attended many holiday celebrations and birthdays where I definitely ate much more than my TDEE. How do you explain this?
You're eating at maintenance. Whether you're logging the calories or not, you are eating at maintenance.0 -
Maintenance for me, as silken555 shows above is 2300 cals/day. I eat 2 meals a day and one or two small snacks. We've been here before, and I refuse to believe that I'm off by 1000 calories a day. This just isn't happening. I'm not going to convince you and you are not going to convince me so we can just leave it at that.0
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I would love it if you could prove you really are that one special snowflake and actually went and had some metabolic testing done. Then you could come back and stick two fingers up. Or accept that science is good at scienceing and that no-one is such a special snowflake as to not lose on a 1000 per day calorie deficit, heck even at a 500 a day deficit!0
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purelyprimitives wrote: »Maintenance for me, as silken555 shows above is 2300 cals/day. I eat 2 meals a day and one or two small snacks. We've been here before, and I refuse to believe that I'm off by 1000 calories a day. This just isn't happening. I'm not going to convince you and you are not going to convince me so we can just leave it at that.
It is very easy to eat 1000 calories when you don't know it if you're not cooking and weighing
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purelyprimitives wrote: »Maintenance for me, as silken555 shows above is 2300 cals/day. I eat 2 meals a day and one or two small snacks. We've been here before, and I refuse to believe that I'm off by 1000 calories a day. This just isn't happening. I'm not going to convince you and you are not going to convince me so we can just leave it at that.
It is very easy to eat 1000 calories when you don't know it if you're not cooking and weighing
Cosign. And this doesn't mean you're a bad person. It just means it's easy to not know and then get it wrong.0
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