Does anything truly work?
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Kimegatron wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »Kimegatron wrote: »What's wrong with sugar? From what I have learned on here in the past 2 months, is that sugar is completely fine unless you have a medical reason to watch it. Right?
I approve of your learning skills. Virtual fist bump to you!
Thank you, thank you, starting to get the hang of this!
Welcome to the dark side. The oreos/ice cream/twinkies are awesome over here.
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Pinnacle_IAO wrote: »
I cut back foods loaded with sugar but still indulged treats in moderation. I also included a cheat day where I eat whatever.let me put this as simple as possible "NO SUGAR" get off the pop, snacks, cookies anything that has sugar added.
"NO SUGAR!!!"
NO SUGAR!!!
There is never a need to go full Nazi when it comes to food.
My ideal diet is whole foods like lean meats, fresh fruits and veggies, nuts, whole grains, beans and raw dairy.
I get this about 75% of the time.
The remaining 25% is called living life.
Pretty much this.
Also, can we PLEASE get over the silly lie about how everything but fresh fruits and vegetables and meat in the supermarket has added sugar? Almost nothing I buy from the supermarket (and mostly that's not meat or fruits or veg, since I get those from a farm) has added sugar in any significant amounts EXCEPT, of course, for ice cream.
Dried pasta, canned tomatoes, dried (or canned) beans, steel cut oats, smoked salmon (has a bit of sugar), frozen fish, tinned sardines and herring, plain greek yogurt, cottage cheese, pickles, sauerkraut, pepperoncini, oil, butter, vinegar, etc.0 -
No twinkies or cookies, but I will SMASH the crap out of ice cream heh!0
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Kimegatron wrote: »What's wrong with sugar? From what I have learned on here in the past 2 months, is that sugar is completely fine unless you have a medical reason to watch it. Right?
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strong_curves wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Your thread title caught my attention because I do feel like nothing truly works. No guarantees anywhere. I once read a quote from a scientist saying that studies prove that a good way to gain weight is to go on a calorie restricted diet for a period of time first. In other words, diets are a real problem in that we are statistically likely to regain the weight and then some. So, although CICO truly works initially, it only works for a limited period of time for many people. Obviously I'm here believing I can be a statistical minority. I have vowed not to let myself get overly hungry, or to take any other extreme measures to lose this weight, and I have vowed to pay attention to the quality and quantity of food I'm eating forever and ever amen.
wut...??
CICO only fails when one stops eating in a deficit, there is no "time lapse" on CICO...
Werd!
I think some people assume that once they get down to their goal weight, they no longer have to watch how much they eat.
I think the person meant that while a calorie deficit is necessary for weight loss, eventually some people end up having to change the way they eat in order to be successful - just eating "less" isn't enough. They have to focus on eating more whole foods, or preparing foods at home, or eating certain foods less frequently in order to stay on track. Basically, focusing on just calorie intake for a time may work, but it will be the actual lifestyle change that will yield results, and for those people, the quality of food intake matters. At least that's how I'm reading it.
not sure how you get that, from this..
"So, although CICO truly works initially, it only works for a limited period of time for many people"
in context, that poster is obviously using "CICO" as a shorthand for just eating less than they're outputting, with no attention paid to food quality in particular.
Umm no the person I initially quoted clearly indicated there is a shelf life to cico..
Food quality was never mentioned ....0 -
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Try Green Tea or Green Tea extract before meals. And increase your calories to 1500, but consume fewer carbs. Yogurt is a great source of protein and fiber.0
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sirapropos wrote: »Try Green Tea or Green Tea extract before meals. And increase your calories to 1500, but consume fewer carbs. Yogurt is a great source of protein and fiber.
wut…
I don't know which is worst advice, this or the great wall of text about sugar….0 -
strong_curves wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Your thread title caught my attention because I do feel like nothing truly works. No guarantees anywhere. I once read a quote from a scientist saying that studies prove that a good way to gain weight is to go on a calorie restricted diet for a period of time first. In other words, diets are a real problem in that we are statistically likely to regain the weight and then some. So, although CICO truly works initially, it only works for a limited period of time for many people. Obviously I'm here believing I can be a statistical minority. I have vowed not to let myself get overly hungry, or to take any other extreme measures to lose this weight, and I have vowed to pay attention to the quality and quantity of food I'm eating forever and ever amen.
wut...??
CICO only fails when one stops eating in a deficit, there is no "time lapse" on CICO...
Werd!
I think some people assume that once they get down to their goal weight, they no longer have to watch how much they eat.
I think the person meant that while a calorie deficit is necessary for weight loss, eventually some people end up having to change the way they eat in order to be successful - just eating "less" isn't enough. They have to focus on eating more whole foods, or preparing foods at home, or eating certain foods less frequently in order to stay on track. Basically, focusing on just calorie intake for a time may work, but it will be the actual lifestyle change that will yield results, and for those people, the quality of food intake matters. At least that's how I'm reading it.
not sure how you get that, from this..
"So, although CICO truly works initially, it only works for a limited period of time for many people"
in context, that poster is obviously using "CICO" as a shorthand for just eating less than they're outputting, with no attention paid to food quality in particular.
Umm no the person I initially quoted clearly indicated there is a shelf life to cico..
Food quality was never mentioned ....
Yep. I always assume when people say CICO only works for a period of time is that they really mean I am only able to commit and follow eating at a deficit for a period of time. Their inability to follow and maintain their deficit doesn't negate that CICO works 100% of the time.
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let me put this as simple as possible "NO SUGAR" get off the pop, snacks, cookies anything that has sugar added. PS in the supermarket this is almost everything. shop in the fruit and veg area and the meat counter (I'm a vegetarian so I don't) forget the rest of the store exists period! you will hate it, you will feel like crap for a week while your body goes through sugar detox, but when you come out the other side you will feel much better. clear headed no mood swings etc.
yes an apple has sugar but it also has all the fiber needed to fill you up and clear that sugar out of your system.
I eat 3000 calories a day of good food, no sugar, apples, oranges, bananas, grapes.... lettuces, carrots, cucumber anything found in the fruit and veg section, and then proteins tofu, nuts, quinoa, eggs, cheese... and have lost 45lbs in a bit over a year because I am not in a rush. In the last 3 months I have taken up biking and that has helped the weight drop faster. I am about 160lbs, I say about because I don't step on the scale every day or even every week because I don't panic about my weight it will go up and down weigh yourself once a month and see if you are down overall.
all I have done is dropped out the sugar.
so let me say it one more time for those of you that may have missed it "NO SUGAR!!!"
oh and don't go to artificial sweeteners that keeps the sugar craving going and then makes you more apt to slip.
drink your coffee or tea black (yes you can)
drink water put lemon and fresh mint in to give it a kick
its all in the mind take control of your mind.
NO SUGAR!!!
I think I finally understand bro-science!
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sirapropos wrote: »Try Green Tea or Green Tea extract before meals. And increase your calories to 1500, but consume fewer carbs. Yogurt is a great source of protein and fiber.
Oh lord.
I love yogurt. I eat tons. You know what else it is usually a great source of....CARBS.
Also, where do you get this fiber yogurt? My Fage has no fiber.
I mean, one could add oats, but that would involve--gasp!--carbs.
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Don't go on a diet. Instead learn about your body. Find out how much food you need. Find out how much you burn a day.
Change how you think about food. Change the amount you eat each meal.
Think before you eat.
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The whole point is OP...when you think i go on a diet..restrict your self and lose weight and afterwards you do again what you did before..than no...not one single diet works for you.
1.Losing weight is watching and counting your calorie intake by weighing all the food you consume, and be sure you take in less than you burn ( deficit).
2. Keeping steady on the weight you want is
*****watching and counting your calorie intake by weighing all your food you consume and keep it equal to the calories that go out (maintaining)*** (there are some people who can guesstimate...but those are rare)
Now if you dont do these 1 or 2...it will never work for you, not one single diet...ever!
So if it works or not, is up to you!
As you can see at all these posts here, for a lot of people it works. But that is them, you have to do find your own way how you do it.
But CICO is sure enough the easiest way to do it. Just eat it all the foods you want, only less.0 -
The only thing that works is a good old fashioned detox/cleans0
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For me, a low carb high fat lifestyle has helped tremendously. You may want to watch Tim Noakes on youtube.
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goldthistime wrote: »Your thread title caught my attention because I do feel like nothing truly works. No guarantees anywhere. I once read a quote from a scientist saying that studies prove that a good way to gain weight is to go on a calorie restricted diet for a period of time first. In other words, diets are a real problem in that we are statistically likely to regain the weight and then some. So, although CICO truly works initially, it only works for a limited period of time for many people. Obviously I'm here believing I can be a statistical minority. I have vowed not to let myself get overly hungry, or to take any other extreme measures to lose this weight, and I have vowed to pay attention to the quality and quantity of food I'm eating forever and ever amen.
wut...??
CICO only fails when one stops eating in a deficit, there is no "time lapse" on CICO...
OF COURSE if you keep eating less calories than you are burning, you will lose weight. It would be ludicrous to suggest otherwise. I meant only that many people can't stick with a calorie deficit for extended periods, and of those that do (and get to goal weight), many are likely to falter at some point during maintenance (ie the rest of their lives). My point was that ANY diet is hard to maintain long term, and your best bet is to avoid extreme measures. Better?
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For me, a low carb high fat lifestyle has helped tremendously. You may want to watch Tim Noakes on youtube.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL5-9ZxamXc
Only because by doing so you're eating fewer calories than you're burning. Dr. Atkins followed a LCHF lifestyle as well... and died of heart disease.0 -
Glad it works for you, but "no sugar" doesn't have to be an extreme to do to lose weight. Betting the main reason the OP isn't losing weight is lack of consistency. Number one reason when everyone who's "trying" actually find out the real reason.let me put this as simple as possible "NO SUGAR" get off the pop, snacks, cookies anything that has sugar added. PS in the supermarket this is almost everything. shop in the fruit and veg area and the meat counter (I'm a vegetarian so I don't) forget the rest of the store exists period! you will hate it, you will feel like crap for a week while your body goes through sugar detox, but when you come out the other side you will feel much better. clear headed no mood swings etc.
yes an apple has sugar but it also has all the fiber needed to fill you up and clear that sugar out of your system.
I eat 3000 calories a day of good food, no sugar, apples, oranges, bananas, grapes.... lettuces, carrots, cucumber anything found in the fruit and veg section, and then proteins tofu, nuts, quinoa, eggs, cheese... and have lost 45lbs in a bit over a year because I am not in a rush. In the last 3 months I have taken up biking and that has helped the weight drop faster. I am about 160lbs, I say about because I don't step on the scale every day or even every week because I don't panic about my weight it will go up and down weigh yourself once a month and see if you are down overall.
all I have done is dropped out the sugar.
so let me say it one more time for those of you that may have missed it "NO SUGAR!!!"
oh and don't go to artificial sweeteners that keeps the sugar craving going and then makes you more apt to slip.
drink your coffee or tea black (yes you can)
drink water put lemon and fresh mint in to give it a kick
its all in the mind take control of your mind.
NO SUGAR!!!
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A lot of people have never done anything like this before. You hear about all the different dieting, and think that you come to an informed decision. Or, you hear about one, and decide to ask about it. I never did this before, and was really never into it, just hoped that it would all go away magically. Then I got motivated for once in my life, and learned so much here. I also was a believer in "starvation mode" and "low carb" this and "watch your sugars" that. I think that they just need help, they don't know. I still don't know A LOT.
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For me, a low carb high fat lifestyle has helped tremendously. You may want to watch Tim Noakes on youtube.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL5-9ZxamXc
Only because by doing so you're eating fewer calories than you're burning. Dr. Atkins followed a LCHF lifestyle as well... and died of heart disease.
Dr Atkins died at age 72 from a head injury from a fall, and not from heart disease.0 -
For me, a low carb high fat lifestyle has helped tremendously. You may want to watch Tim Noakes on youtube.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL5-9ZxamXc
Only because by doing so you're eating fewer calories than you're burning. Dr. Atkins followed a LCHF lifestyle as well... and died of heart disease.
Dr Atkins died at age 72 from a head injury from a fall, and not from heart disease.
It remains a controversy. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/11/nyregion/just-what-killed-the-diet-doctor-and-what-keeps-the-issue-alive.html0 -
Kimegatron wrote: »What's wrong with sugar? From what I have learned on here in the past 2 months, is that sugar is completely fine unless you have a medical reason to watch it. Right?
You are WICKED SMAHT!!!
Love that Boston accent!
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I can understand exactly where you're coming from. I had success with WW until I stopped tracking my foods, but looking back I was still eating unhealthy, I would simply manipulate the points so I could eat the greasy burger and fries, then cut out all fruits (to save points) it worked cause I was taking in less than I burned. However, my eating habits were still horrible.
A few years ago, I wanted to get my family healthier. That was my motivation, just to be healthier. I started to intergrate more veggies into recipes that beforehand I would've said they had no business being in them lol. I also purged my home of everything that said "diet" "sugar-free" and "fat-free" if you Google aspartame (which is in all of those things) you'll see it actually makes you gain more weight by usuing it, along with many other bad reactions.
I took these changes slowly, I have a hub and 3 kids at home and there were hardly any complaints about the taste of the meals. I started using half brown half white rice at first, then gradually reduced the white until I don't use it at all. I did the same thing swapping out ground beef for lean ground turkey.
I think your mindset is very important as well. My mindset was on health alone. I didn't watch portion sizes until about a year into it. These little changes lost me 50lbs in 2 years. Yes, that's a long time, I had weeks of plateau, but I never went backwards. Just picking up one or 2 different items at the grocery store a week or every other week will allow you to not feel completely overwhelmed and the weight will slide right off of you. These are life long changes and have lasted for 3 years so far, I'm not depriving myself, I will have sweets when I want them and don't feel bad about it because everything else I put into my body is super healthy. I hope this helps a bit. I was once just as frustrated as you are!0 -
To answer OP's question, does anything truly work - yes, calorie counting works. I know you've gotten some great, very indepth answers in this thread and I heartily second them.0
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If not using aspartame works for you, that's cool. Spreading false information, not so much.I can understand exactly where you're coming from. I had success with WW until I stopped tracking my foods, but looking back I was still eating unhealthy, I would simply manipulate the points so I could eat the greasy burger and fries, then cut out all fruits (to save points) it worked cause I was taking in less than I burned. However, my eating habits were still horrible.
A few years ago, I wanted to get my family healthier. That was my motivation, just to be healthier. I started to intergrate more veggies into recipes that beforehand I would've said they had no business being in them lol. I also purged my home of everything that said "diet" "sugar-free" and "fat-free" if you Google aspartame (which is in all of those things) you'll see it actually makes you gain more weight by usuing it, along with many other bad reactions.
I took these changes slowly, I have a hub and 3 kids at home and there were hardly any complaints about the taste of the meals. I started using half brown half white rice at first, then gradually reduced the white until I don't use it at all. I did the same thing swapping out ground beef for lean ground turkey.
I think your mindset is very important as well. My mindset was on health alone. I didn't watch portion sizes until about a year into it. These little changes lost me 50lbs in 2 years. Yes, that's a long time, I had weeks of plateau, but I never went backwards. Just picking up one or 2 different items at the grocery store a week or every other week will allow you to not feel completely overwhelmed and the weight will slide right off of you. These are life long changes and have lasted for 3 years so far, I'm not depriving myself, I will have sweets when I want them and don't feel bad about it because everything else I put into my body is super healthy. I hope this helps a bit. I was once just as frustrated as you are!
And my 0% Greek yogurt is pretty awesome.
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