"Toning" is a deception
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Women's magazines barrage us with the "toned" ideal.
For nearly all of us, we can't be "toned" without losing fat and adding muscle; or without CICO. For a smaller percentage of us, we don't need to lose fat, but we need WEIGHT LIFTING.
Get over it, industry. Stop treating women like idiots.1 -
the industry does need to stop treating women like idiots, but women need to do a bit more research before falling for the rubbish they read. The mis information is so wide spread not sure what can be done to change it. I have heard many people tell me they getting bulking lifting weights. i actually used to believe it was possible until i joined this site. I have been asked by a friend if i want muscles because i was using a pair of 4kg dumbbells doing a dvd. That actually really made me smile. there is no response to that one. And then i have also been asked by a man if i want to tone or get bulky because i said i need heavier dumbbells at home. I hear the word tone used all the time.0
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ahhh but I like the word 'toning'
we're just so used to hearing it nowadays, its just a term people use generally....1 -
I'm new to this and can only work out at home. I only have access to a rack, a barbell, and Dumbbells going up to 70 lbs. can I really get toned without a body pump class and regular pure barre? please advise!!!!!!
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Very nice!
I find myself using the t-word as a last resort when talking to women about lifting, but there is so much resistance and I get the comment, "...but I don't want to look all manish". I try to explain that unless you are specifically dedicating the next few years to looking like a Greek God/Goddess - you won't.0 -
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So the truth is, one isn't really looking for "toning". A lean look with subtle definition is usually the goal.
Doing this for almost 20 years, a female won't get muscular by accident or just doing heavy weight lifting on a calorie deficit. Ask any muscular looking female about how they attained their physique and the answer will be YEARS of training and strict attention to their personal diet.
The first paragraph is actually why the word 'toning' doesn't make me cringe, especially if someone is describing the results that they want, because you basically know what they are describing. It is a myth or misnomer to describe a particular exercise as 'toning'... but if someone's talking about a look they want to achieve, idk if its worth brow beating them over.
The second part is a much more real issue in my opinion. There are definitely women that avoid lifting because they erroneously believe that they will develop so fast that they will wake up with a huge body. I think the problem goes even deeper if you explore what the general public thinks can be/should be achieved 100% naturally... which is a similar but separate issue.
But all in all I'm not sure why its worth brining up the toning subject
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Sticky it.0
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Lots of males use it too for sure. Like females who have limited knowledge on the subject, males who are also unfamiliar with how strength training and lifting weights work, use the term when they also don't want to add muscle while resistance training.Therealobi1 wrote: »the industry does need to stop treating women like idiots, but women need to do a bit more research before falling for the rubbish they read. The mis information is so wide spread not sure what can be done to change it. I have heard many people tell me they getting bulking lifting weights. i actually used to believe it was possible until i joined this site. I have been asked by a friend if i want muscles because i was using a pair of 4kg dumbbells doing a dvd. That actually really made me smile. there is no response to that one. And then i have also been asked by a man if i want to tone or get bulky because i said i need heavier dumbbells at home. I hear the word tone used all the time.
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No don't sticky it. I use the words toning, building, strengthen, muscular... all of them and they all mean the same thing to me. I'm sure I'm not the only one who understand the ideas behind words.
If someone wants to use the word 'tone' to get fitter and healthier then there is nothing wrong with that.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/fitness/Pages/home-toning-workout.aspx2 -
For me, it's because I believe it's worth relaying correct information. Continued acceptance just let's it continue.No_Finish_Line wrote: »But all in all I'm not sure why its worth bringing up the toning subject
Just as of recently, weightlifting was just thought as putting on muscle so many women avoided it. If that thought continued, we'd still be living with it. With the internet, more and more females are now finding out that they can enhance what figure they have with weight training.
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Not disparaging on whether or not people use the word "tone" to encourage themselves to exercise. Just disparaging on the actual meaning. Whether people use it or not, I don't believe it's incorrect to inform others that the word is a deception in fitness.No don't sticky it. I use the words toning, building, strengthen, muscular... all of them and they all mean the same thing to me. I'm sure I'm not the only one who understand the ideas behind words.
If someone wants to use the word 'tone' to get fitter and healthier then there is nothing wrong with that.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/fitness/Pages/home-toning-workout.aspx
If I wrote an article and labeled one "muscle conditioning" and the other "toning workout", I would bet dollars to donuts that the "toning" one would be viewed much more by many more females than the "muscle conditioning" one.
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I am confused about the correct terminology for what I want to do. I have read that what I think I am doing is impossible. I am eating at a deficit and losing weight, 45 pounds since March 8, 2015. I was doing mostly aerobic exercise but now have added what my physical therapist refers to as strength training. I was able to increase reps, intensity and weight, to me this would indicate that I am indeed increasing my strength. The last 2 weeks, I have had an injury that put most of my aerobic activity on hold so I am doing strength training exclusively. My calorie deficit has gone down but my weight loss continues at a healthy pace and inches are also decreasing in body measurements. Something about my metabolism has changed. People say muscle burns more calories than fat on one hand, but also say you can't gain muscle while eating in a deficit. How do I describe in correct terms what is happening?0
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You're still just losing fat weight. Exercise is for fitness and health and NOT needed to lose weight. That's more dependent on CICO. However, exercise will help to create a deficit and strength training will reduce the amount of muscle you lose while losing weight. Like most you're just trying to get lean and fit.daniwilford wrote: »I am confused about the correct terminology for what I want to do. I have read that what I think I am doing is impossible. I am eating at a deficit and losing weight, 45 pounds since March 8, 2015. I was doing mostly aerobic exercise but now have added what my physical therapist refers to as strength training. I was able to increase reps, intensity and weight, to me this would indicate that I am indeed increasing my strength. The last 2 weeks, I have had an injury that put most of my aerobic activity on hold so I am doing strength training exclusively. My calorie deficit has gone down but my weight loss continues at a healthy pace and inches are also decreasing in body measurements. Something about my metabolism has changed. People say muscle burns more calories than fat on one hand, but also say you can't gain muscle while eating in a deficit. How do I describe in correct terms what is happening?
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daniwilford wrote: »I am confused about the correct terminology for what I want to do. I have read that what I think I am doing is impossible. I am eating at a deficit and losing weight, 45 pounds since March 8, 2015. I was doing mostly aerobic exercise but now have added what my physical therapist refers to as strength training. I was able to increase reps, intensity and weight, to me this would indicate that I am indeed increasing my strength. The last 2 weeks, I have had an injury that put most of my aerobic activity on hold so I am doing strength training exclusively. My calorie deficit has gone down but my weight loss continues at a healthy pace and inches are also decreasing in body measurements. Something about my metabolism has changed. People say muscle burns more calories than fat on one hand, but also say you can't gain muscle while eating in a deficit. How do I describe in correct terms what is happening?
although there are some instances where you can actually build mass while in a deficit, like if you are brand new to weight training...
I think what's mostly going on is the fact that you can condition a muscle (more endurance and even strength) without actually adding muscle mass.
you see that you are lifting more but there is not a 1 to 1 relationship between mass building and strength1 -
RunRutheeRun wrote: »ahhh but I like the word 'toning'
we're just so used to hearing it nowadays, its just a term people use generally....
It is still incorrect though.
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Just like when someone says "My house just got robbed." Most would know what happened, but the terminology is incorrect. Again, nothing wrong with letting people know the correct terminology. Whether they use it or not is up to them.yopeeps025 wrote: »RunRutheeRun wrote: »ahhh but I like the word 'toning'
we're just so used to hearing it nowadays, its just a term people use generally....
It is still incorrect though.
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Thanks. I was literally just researching this subject and debating whether I should post a question to the community, but this takes care of it.0
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Packerjohn wrote: »"Lean muscle" and make the muscles "longer" are a couple more that hurt the ears.
I think longer muscles actually mean something. Weight lifters tend not to have longer muscles that's why they get all that muscle bunching up in an ugly way above their shoulders. I learnt about this in yoga. When you do a headstand there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you do it the wrong way you would get those bunched up muscles but if you do it the right way you won't. Its been a while since i've done a headstand but i think the right way is to push into your elbows rather than clamping up around your neck to help you keep balanced.
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Incorrect. Length of muscles are determined when you're conceived. You can't lengthen them or "bunch" them up any more than one can increase one's height by hopefully drinking more milk (remember that commercial). It's information like this from yoga instructors that need to be refuted because physiology doesn't actually work that way. If a weight lifter looks "bunched" up, it's because they have more muscle in their arms than one who does yoga. That's all.Patttience wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »"Lean muscle" and make the muscles "longer" are a couple more that hurt the ears.
I think longer muscles actually mean something. Weight lifters tend not to have longer muscles that's why they get all that muscle bunching up in an ugly way above their shoulders. I learnt about this in yoga. When you do a headstand there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you do it the wrong way you would get those bunched up muscles but if you do it the right way you won't. Its been a while since i've done a headstand but i think the right way is to push into your elbows rather than clamping up around your neck to help you keep balanced.
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My cheap radio has "tone"
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No don't sticky it. I use the words toning, building, strengthen, muscular... all of them and they all mean the same thing to me. I'm sure I'm not the only one who understand the ideas behind words.
If someone wants to use the word 'tone' to get fitter and healthier then there is nothing wrong with that.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/fitness/Pages/home-toning-workout.aspx
Then I can come ask you what you mean every single time.
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Incorrect. Length of muscles are determined when you're conceived. You can't lengthen them or "bunch" them up any more than one can increase one's height by hopefully drinking more milk (remember that commercial). It's information like this from yoga instructors that need to be refuted because physiology doesn't actually work that way. If a weight lifter looks "bunched" up, it's because they have more muscle in their arms than one who does yoga. That's all.Patttience wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »"Lean muscle" and make the muscles "longer" are a couple more that hurt the ears.
I think longer muscles actually mean something. Weight lifters tend not to have longer muscles that's why they get all that muscle bunching up in an ugly way above their shoulders. I learnt about this in yoga. When you do a headstand there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you do it the wrong way you would get those bunched up muscles but if you do it the right way you won't. Its been a while since i've done a headstand but i think the right way is to push into your elbows rather than clamping up around your neck to help you keep balanced.
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Indeed.
"weight lifters" (and I'm guessing you mean bodybuilders) don't likely get those muscles from improper headstands.0 -
No_Finish_Line wrote: »
although there are some instances where you can actually build mass while in a deficit, like if you are brand new to weight training...
I think what's mostly going on is the fact that you can condition a muscle (more endurance and even strength) without actually adding muscle mass.
you see that you are lifting more but there is not a 1 to 1 relationship between mass building and strength
I need the weight training for dummies version, please explain the difference between building and strengthening a muscle?0 -
Link says "when squatting, don't let knees pass your toes". Old information. And exercises are noted as "toning" curls, or "toning" shoulder exercise. They are called by their correct names.yopeeps025 wrote: »No don't sticky it. I use the words toning, building, strengthen, muscular... all of them and they all mean the same thing to me. I'm sure I'm not the only one who understand the ideas behind words.
If someone wants to use the word 'tone' to get fitter and healthier then there is nothing wrong with that.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/fitness/Pages/home-toning-workout.aspx
Then I can come ask you what you mean every single time.
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Patttience wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »"Lean muscle" and make the muscles "longer" are a couple more that hurt the ears.
I think longer muscles actually mean something. Weight lifters tend not to have longer muscles that's why they get all that muscle bunching up in an ugly way above their shoulders. I learnt about this in yoga. When you do a headstand there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you do it the wrong way you would get those bunched up muscles but if you do it the right way you won't. Its been a while since i've done a headstand but i think the right way is to push into your elbows rather than clamping up around your neck to help you keep balanced.
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Patttience wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »"Lean muscle" and make the muscles "longer" are a couple more that hurt the ears.
I think longer muscles actually mean something. Weight lifters tend not to have longer muscles that's why they get all that muscle bunching up in an ugly way above their shoulders. I learnt about this in yoga. When you do a headstand there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you do it the wrong way you would get those bunched up muscles but if you do it the right way you won't. Its been a while since i've done a headstand but i think the right way is to push into your elbows rather than clamping up around your neck to help you keep balanced.
Wut?
Is she talking about traps? IDK
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Patttience wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »"Lean muscle" and make the muscles "longer" are a couple more that hurt the ears.
I think longer muscles actually mean something. Weight lifters tend not to have longer muscles that's why they get all that muscle bunching up in an ugly way above their shoulders. I learnt about this in yoga. When you do a headstand there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you do it the wrong way you would get those bunched up muscles but if you do it the right way you won't. Its been a while since i've done a headstand but i think the right way is to push into your elbows rather than clamping up around your neck to help you keep balanced.
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