Will not eating enough really stop me from losing weight? Suggestions please!
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hamptontom wrote: »she's not ready.
She is getting ready, that is why she is even here. Some people here were kind and said the right things. Her frustration is likely from the people who were not kind, even though they said some right things. She doesn't need a stranger's version of tough love. She needs support and information. She is learning. Pretty much most of us have been there at some point. For every person who winds up saying "thank you for being a tool to me when I didn't understand things," how many people are turned away?
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cwolfman13, why would I lie about this, lol, that's everything I've had for the day, and it is pretty much a normal day. Some days, I may have ice tea, hot tea, or an occasional soda, but as far as food goes, my husband says I could probably go 24 hours without eating and it wouldn't even phase me. I just don't have much of an appetite
If you don't have much of an appetite, my suggestion would be to find a way to get burning some more calories. I had a similar problem. Most days I am under my calories... its the days that Im not that are really bad. some foods are loaded with calories and can ruin your week. Log for a while and find out where the big no no's are then cut them out. set daily goals for exercise, you can start slow and build up but getting more exercise will increase your appetite. I just bought a Misfit Flash to track my steps and it really helps me want to hit my 10,000 steps a day. for $29.99 it is a great tool to have. Best of luck... feel free to add freinds to help encourage you on this lifestyle change! Rick
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justrollme wrote: »hamptontom wrote: »she's not ready.
She is getting ready, that is why she is even here. Some people here were kind and said the right things. Her frustration is likely from the people who were not kind, even though they said some right things. She doesn't need a stranger's version of tough love. She needs support and information. She is learning. Pretty much most of us have been there at some point. For every person who winds up saying "thank you for being a tool to me when I didn't understand things," how many people are turned away?
And who was not kind to her? I just reread the thread and couldn't find anything that was "mean" until the OP had a mini meltdown.0 -
justrollme wrote: »hamptontom wrote: »she's not ready.
She is getting ready, that is why she is even here. Some people here were kind and said the right things. Her frustration is likely from the people who were not kind, even though they said some right things. She doesn't need a stranger's version of tough love. She needs support and information. She is learning. Pretty much most of us have been there at some point. For every person who winds up saying "thank you for being a tool to me when I didn't understand things," how many people are turned away?
No one was mean to her. The truth of the matter is there is NO WAY you're 300 lbs and only eating 1200 calories a day. She took offense to that even tho it's the truth. Hopefully she will watch the videos posted so she can get a better understanding but honestly, I doubt she will, because if she had she would completely understand what everyone has been trying to tell her.
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strong_curves wrote: »I used to think I didn't eat much until I started accurately logging everything I eat and drink here in MFP. You should watch this video, very eye opening:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KA9AdlhB18o
THIS.
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strong_curves wrote: »justrollme wrote: »hamptontom wrote: »she's not ready.
She is getting ready, that is why she is even here. Some people here were kind and said the right things. Her frustration is likely from the people who were not kind, even though they said some right things. She doesn't need a stranger's version of tough love. She needs support and information. She is learning. Pretty much most of us have been there at some point. For every person who winds up saying "thank you for being a tool to me when I didn't understand things," how many people are turned away?
No one was mean to her. The truth of the matter is there is NO WAY you're 300 lbs and only eating 1200 calories a day. She took offense to that even tho it's the truth. Hopefully she will watch the videos posted so she can get a better understanding but honestly, I doubt she will, because if she had she would completely understand what everyone has been trying to tell her.
Agreed. Literally everyone is just trying to help her see what's going on.0 -
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You know, this is really starting to aggravate me. I don't understand why you all would think I would lie about what I'm eating and then ask for advice. As far as medical problems, there are none that I know of, and I have had several different things checked including my thyroid, and was very let down when I found out it was normal.
You are clinging to an excuse. Let it go.
You came here looking for help and help is what you are getting.
The only person you are lying to is yourself.0 -
If you are logging accurately and you eat everyday like you did today, then you will lose weight. You are not going to starve or even become malnourished in a month. If you have not lost weight in a month on your logged food, then come back and let us look again.0
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Okay, I'm done with this. I'm not an idiot, I know what I ate.
You very clearly don't.
Look, you've got two choices. One is to huff on out of here and keep doing what you're doing, which means keeping on failing. Or you can actually listen to what people who have already proven they know what they're doing are telling you.
Your logging is broken, and you do not know how much you're eating. Period, full stop.I know how to use a measuring spoon.
That isn't going to help you figure out your calories.I don't like being accused of fibbing, when I'm telling the truth.
Don't think you're lying. Just know you're doing it wrong.Thanks for those who were being constructive, but to the accusatory ones, have a good day
Cheers! See you in your next "Help!" thread...0 -
justrollme wrote: »hamptontom wrote: »she's not ready.
She is getting ready...
Nowhere close, IMO.
Someone who is "let down" to find out there isn't a medical problem is nowhere near ready for this journey....
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justrollme wrote: »hamptontom wrote: »she's not ready.
She is getting ready...
Nowhere close, IMO.
Someone who is "let down" to find out there isn't a medical problem is nowhere near ready for this journey....
I just took that as, she found out that the problem was her, not something medically. I, for one, would never ever be hopeful of a medical condition that would cause me to have weight issues. Some people just want a different answer. Or is that what you meant, also?0 -
Kimegatron wrote: »justrollme wrote: »hamptontom wrote: »she's not ready.
She is getting ready...
Nowhere close, IMO.
Someone who is "let down" to find out there isn't a medical problem is nowhere near ready for this journey....
I just took that as, she found out that the problem was her, not something medically.
Yeah. That should be a moment of optimism, not let down.I, for one, would never ever be hopeful of a medical condition that would cause me to have weight issues. Some people just want a different answer. Or is that what you meant, also?
We may be saying the same thing...
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And who was not kind to her? I just reread the thread and couldn't find anything that was "mean" until the OP had a mini meltdown.
The "there is no way you'd be 300 lbs" comments can be perceived as insensitive. There are a few of those types of comments strung throughout, and I can understand how someone could perceive that as hurtful. Listen, I'm not saying the advice isn't accurate, I'm saying that for some people, struggling with obesity is a painful thing in a lot of ways, and I can understand how some people are turned off by this environment. Is it really worth being more concerned with refuting that, rather taking it into consideration?
I have noticed that occasionally, someone will post an apology for "being stubborn," after arguing over advice etc., which is great. But I'm suggesting that it has to be considered how many people jetpack.jpg out of here, discouraged. Everyone is quick to tell someone who apologizes how "classy" they are for doing so, but that really should be going both ways.
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Kimegatron wrote: »justrollme wrote: »hamptontom wrote: »she's not ready.
She is getting ready...
Nowhere close, IMO.
Someone who is "let down" to find out there isn't a medical problem is nowhere near ready for this journey....
I just took that as, she found out that the problem was her, not something medically. I, for one, would never ever be hopeful of a medical condition that would cause me to have weight issues. Some people just want a different answer. Or is that what you meant, also?
I agree with you... BUT it does seem like many people want to be that special unique butterfly that has the medical condition to use as an excuse.
WHY they would want this is beyond me, medical condition or not, you have to find a way to deal with your weight.0 -
Kimegatron wrote: »justrollme wrote: »hamptontom wrote: »she's not ready.
She is getting ready...
Nowhere close, IMO.
Someone who is "let down" to find out there isn't a medical problem is nowhere near ready for this journey....
I just took that as, she found out that the problem was her, not something medically. I, for one, would never ever be hopeful of a medical condition that would cause me to have weight issues. Some people just want a different answer. Or is that what you meant, also?
I do think there are people who are looking for excuses and validation, not solutions. "I can't lose weight! I've got PCOS/hypothyroidism/Hashimotos/celiac disease/I'm over 40/I'm short..."
Those who want solutions find them here. Those who want validation don't get it and become angry.0 -
OP...nobody thinks you're lying or that you're an idiot...it takes some time to learn this stuff. When I first started out I was underestimating my intake by at least 600 calories and thought I was doing everything right.
I was logging my snack (handful) of nuts as 1 oz because someone told me that was about an ounce...well, I was logging that but when I started using my food scale I quickly realized I was actually consuming closer to 2 ounces...so logging 160 calories but eating 320.
Chicken was another example...I saw on my package of chicken breasts that a serving was "4 oz - 1 breast"...so I was eating a whole chicken breast and logging 4 oz...guess what? I have yet to come across an actual chicken breast that is 4 ounces...most are in the neighborhood of 8.
These are just two of many examples.
The point is there's a lot to learn...but if you can't even buck up to take the advice of people who have had a lot of success here...well, you're going to have a pretty rough go of it.
And it is simply FACT...nobody puts on weight eating 1200 calories or less outside of metabolic disorders...
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justrollme wrote: »And who was not kind to her? I just reread the thread and couldn't find anything that was "mean" until the OP had a mini meltdown.
The "there is no way you'd be 300 lbs" comments can be perceived as insensitive. There are a few of those types of comments strung throughout, and I can understand how someone could perceive that as hurtful. Listen, I'm not saying the advice isn't accurate, I'm saying that for some people, struggling with obesity is a painful thing in a lot of ways, and I can understand how some people are turned off by this environment. Is it really worth being more concerned with refuting that, rather taking it into consideration?
I have noticed that occasionally, someone will post an apology for "being stubborn," after arguing over advice etc., which is great. But I'm suggesting that it has to be considered how many people jetpack.jpg out of here, discouraged. Everyone is quick to tell someone who apologizes how "classy" they are for doing so, but that really should be going both ways.
Until she accepts that she is eating enormously more food than she thinks she is (far more than can be explained by the inaccuracy of measuring cups, etc.) she will not lose weight. It is an act of cruelty to not tell her that as clearly as possible.0 -
If you think it's more helpful to tell the person, "Hey, maybe you did get to 300 eating 1200 calories a day" then jump in and say that.justrollme wrote: »And who was not kind to her? I just reread the thread and couldn't find anything that was "mean" until the OP had a mini meltdown.
The "there is no way you'd be 300 lbs" comments can be perceived as insensitive. There are a few of those types of comments strung throughout, and I can understand how someone could perceive that as hurtful. Listen, I'm not saying the advice isn't accurate, I'm saying that for some people, struggling with obesity is a painful thing in a lot of ways, and I can understand how some people are turned off by this environment. Is it really worth being more concerned with refuting that, rather taking it into consideration?
I have noticed that occasionally, someone will post an apology for "being stubborn," after arguing over advice etc., which is great. But I'm suggesting that it has to be considered how many people jetpack.jpg out of here, discouraged. Everyone is quick to tell someone who apologizes how "classy" they are for doing so, but that really should be going both ways.
If someone is discouraged by facts, her chance of success is already minimal, whether she jets or not. Enabling and coddling doesn't have a perfect track record, either.
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sheldonklein wrote: »Until she accepts that she is eating enormously more food than she thinks she is (far more than can be explained by the inaccuracy of measuring cups, etc.) she will not lose weight. It is an act of cruelty to not tell her that as clearly as possible.
I never said not to tell her. "Clear" and "sensitive" are not mutually exclusive. And, plenty of people on here were able to say it both clearly and with sensitivity, but unfortunately, she may be missing a lot of them, because she may not bother looking here again, which is my point.
Edit:DeguelloTex wrote: »If someone is discouraged by facts, her chance of success is already minimal, whether she jets or not. Enabling and coddling doesn't have a perfect track record, either.
Responding to someone in a sensitive manner does not mean it is enabling or coddling. o/
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You don't have to "Eat alot" or have a "big appetite" to gain weight. Yes, it's absolutely about calories. To get to your current weight, you ate too many calories. Doesn't matter if it was a small amount of food or a large amount of food. What matters is the amount of calories you consumed. So maybe today is a "typical" day for you, but what about your other days? Are they the same exact meals? Probably not. Maybe you eat less calories one day but then eat alot more calories the next. Today you didn't have breakfast, but what about tomorrow? Your calorie intake is going to vary greatly, everyday.
As for your logging, yes, I'd consider it inaccurate. You made the first step, which is to measure your food. But what your really want to do is weigh it. I can weight the same cup of oatmeal every single day and the weight of every single one is going to be different, making the calories different. Peanut butter is a higher calorie food. Any variation is going to skyrocket that calorie count, because there's not much peanut butter for your calorie buck. Also, even breads and pre-packaged foods should be weighed. I weigh my bread. 2 slices of my bread is supposed to be 43 grams. When I weigh it out, it can range anywhere from 36 grams to 48 grams. That's actually alot in terms of calories, especially if you're using a higher calorie bread.
Believe me when I say NO ONE thinks you are lying or is accusing you of lying. What they do think is that your logging can be tightened up into tip top shape. They also think you do not defy the laws of math and science, which is what calorie intake and weight loss is. Because you are in the position of needing to lose weight, you had to have had a calorie surplus, regardless of how much (quantity) you ate. Like I said, you don't have to have eaten alot or have had a big appetite. Some foods are small but super high in calories.
Don't get angry or offended. Get accurate. Get Educated. Get Successful.
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The statement you use as an example ("there's no way you'd lose 300 pounds") is not even close to being offensive, and if someone is so reactive and defensive that they take it that way, I'm going to be courteous but I'm not going to walk on eggshells.
Edit: It isn't offensive to you. That doesn't not mean it isn't to someone else.
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I made the mistake of going back on this thread, which I will not do after this post. I UNDERSTAND about weighing, I UNDERSTAND about the whole process. As for the man that said I'm not ready, he can bite me. I appreciate the constructive criticism and advice. Some of you people are a little overzealous and I realize now that I should not have posted this thread. My mistake. I will not make it again. I know a woman who lost almost 100 lbs and never weighed an ounce of food. I also know a woman who is obsessed with it. My question didn't have anything to do with weighing or not weighing or whether I actually knew what a teaspoon was.0
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Did they run the whole panel? Unless you're plucking them, you've got the hypothyroid eyebrows. That's the only reason I ask. I'm kind of picky on the thyroid thing because my doctor said he ran the panel, but all he ran was TSH. I spent many years insisting I couldn't lose and being told that if those numbers were right, I should be losing. I was like, "Duh! I know that! That's why I came!"You know, this is really starting to aggravate me. I don't understand why you all would think I would lie about what I'm eating and then ask for advice. As far as medical problems, there are none that I know of, and I have had several different things checked including my thyroid, and was very let down when I found out it was normal.
When I complained that I couldn't exercise because I was out of breath way too easily, he suggested more exercise. I was like, "How can more help?! I can't even swim anymore!" he suggested trying.
Try.
There were MANY comments carrying the moronic insinuation that I was lying and/or lazy. I really didn't appreciate that doctor or dietitian, lol.
Then I got a good doctor. And everything changed. They whiz zed me through the endo, the surgeon, the cardiologist and into surgery. It wasn't even two weeks and that's with me having other important things to do.
My dang thyroid was so ginormous that it had grown down and through my chest and was smooshing my lungs. It was also cutting off my windpipe. And that guy insisted it wasn't thyroid.
You should've seen the surgeon's face when he said I'd let it go too long and I briefly told him my story. He asked questions. Then he asked for that guy's name and office location, lol. I hope he gave him hell.
So, I'm very pro on getting the whole panel run. By an endocrinologist, if you can get the referral.
I don't think you're lying and I KNOW that sometimes, there really is more to it than not logging properly.0 -
justrollme wrote: »The statement you use as an example ("there's no way you'd lose 300 pounds") is not even close to being offensive, to me, and if someone is so reactive and defensive that they take it that way, I'm going to be courteous but I'm not going to walk on eggshells because someone else perceives things differently than I do.
Fixed it for you.
I'm not saying this to be a jerk. You should know that the "FTFY" stuff is something that can get you warning points. It's not considered to be respectful of other posters' point of view. I'm not reporting you for it because I don't report people for anything other than blatant hate-talk or promoting VLCDs or MLM schemes. Just letting you know about it.
And that aside, you seem to have done a good job of missing my point in the first place.
I'll go ahead and edit that. I think it is safe to say that we have missed each other's points completely and that we firmly disagree.
Edit: Is your snarky "good job" okay to say? I'm guessing it is, which is pretty interesting.0 -
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