CALORIE QUALITY
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results
Also,
Some foods — vegetables, nuts, fruits, and whole grains — were associated with less weight gain when consumption was actually increased. Obviously, such foods provide calories and cannot violate thermodynamic laws. Their inverse associations with weight gain suggest that the increase in their consumption reduced the intake of other foods to a greater (caloric) extent, decreasing the overall amount of energy consumed. Higher fiber content and slower digestion of these foods would augment satiety, and their increased consumption would also displace other, more highly processed foods in the diet, providing plausible biologic mechanisms whereby persons who eat more fruits, nuts, vegetables, and whole grains would gain less weight over time. --- Groundbreaking stuff right here... nutrient dense foods provide greater satiation and generally prevent individuals from over eating.
Our study has some limitations. Although dietary questionnaires specified portion sizes, residual, unmeasured differences in portion sizes among participants might account for additional independent effects on energy balance. For example, an average, large baked potato contains 278 calories, as compared with 500 to 600 calories for a large serving of french fries.56 The typical portion size of a specific food or beverage may therefore partly mediate its effects on weight gain (i.e., both average portion sizes and biologic effects). --- So, calories were not held constant and it was self reported intake which is notoriously inaccurate.0 -
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That's what SHE said. I moved no goalposts. She quoted "calorie counting won't matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you are eating" She has also erroneous been saying over and over again that it is excess carbs that make you gain weight and not a basic CICO equation of excess calories.
I look at macros. That doesn't mean I think it somehow changes the fundamentals of CICO. Because that would just be silliness.
If I misconstrued, my apologies.
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I never said a calorie deficit isn't needed for weight loss. I was pointing out that the equation is oversimplified. There are different metabolic pathways and hormones that play a role in losing weight.0
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results
Sighs. None of those links said what you said they said. Of course, of course.
None of those links said that calorie counting doesn't work. One said people aren't generally good at it. That isn't because carbs make you fat. It's because a lot of people lack commitment. I don't.
The second link showed a correlation, not a causation between certain types of food over a span of time and weight gain or loss. Foods which are carbs are on either side of that equation.
Sad.
When did I say calorie counting doesn't work? I didn't say that. What the calories are composed of does play a role. It's not as simple as calories in vs cals out.
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Yes it is and I have proved it with 121 pounds loss and the fact I was able to reverse my heart disease, while eating carbs.AlexisUPenn wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results
Sighs. None of those links said what you said they said. Of course, of course.
None of those links said that calorie counting doesn't work. One said people aren't generally good at it. That isn't because carbs make you fat. It's because a lot of people lack commitment. I don't.
The second link showed a correlation, not a causation between certain types of food over a span of time and weight gain or loss. Foods which are carbs are on either side of that equation.
Sad.
When did I say calorie counting doesn't work? I didn't say that. What the calories are composed of does play a role. It's not as simple as calories in vs cals out.
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I didn't say you couldn't eat carbs... Wow0
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »I never said a calorie deficit isn't needed for weight loss. I was pointing out that the equation is oversimplified. There are different metabolic pathways and hormones that play a role in losing weight.
Nah, it is perfectly simple. My 58 lbs says so.
Also your studies you keep linking to....don't say what you think they say. Oh well.
All your 58 lbs say is that calorie counting makes a difference.
They certainly don't say calorie counting is the *only* thing that made a difference.
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Ignorance at its finest.-3
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What do you mean "the calories are composed of"? Are you talking about macro allocations or are you talking about something like getting carbs from Lucky Charms rather than brown rice?AlexisUPenn wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results
Sighs. None of those links said what you said they said. Of course, of course.
None of those links said that calorie counting doesn't work. One said people aren't generally good at it. That isn't because carbs make you fat. It's because a lot of people lack commitment. I don't.
The second link showed a correlation, not a causation between certain types of food over a span of time and weight gain or loss. Foods which are carbs are on either side of that equation.
Sad.
When did I say calorie counting doesn't work? I didn't say that. What the calories are composed of does play a role. It's not as simple as calories in vs cals out.
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You said "excess" carbs. I eat 400g a day. Is that "excess"? What is "excess" carbs?AlexisUPenn wrote: »I didn't say you couldn't eat carbs... Wow
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
You said "excess" carbs. I eat 400g a day. Is that "excess"? What is "excess" carbs?AlexisUPenn wrote: »I didn't say you couldn't eat carbs... Wow
That's 1600 calories. For a substantial, active dude, might be 50% of intake on a TDEE of 3200. I'd be hard pressed to find a non-medical-issue scenario where 50% from carbs is "excess".
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Then what is the "excess" level of carbs at which they start hindering weight loss?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You said "excess" carbs. I eat 400g a day. Is that "excess"? What is "excess" carbs?AlexisUPenn wrote: »I didn't say you couldn't eat carbs... Wow
That's 1600 calories. For a substantial, active dude, might be 50% of intake on a TDEE of 3200. I'd be hard pressed to find a non-medical-issue scenario where 50% from carbs is "excess".
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Excessive carbs from processed/refined sources. What is excessive depends on the individual person as each of us has a unique metabolic rate that changes with time. Some people can tolerate x amount. While others would gain with that same amount.0
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Gain in a caloric deficit?AlexisUPenn wrote: »Excessive carbs from processed/refined sources. What is excessive depends on the individual person as each of us has a unique metabolic rate that changes with time. Some people can tolerate x amount. While others would gain with that same amount.
Tell me, how does my body know, or care, from a weight loss perspective that this batch of carbs came from Lucky Charms and not brown rice or steel-cut oats?
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
Then what is the "excess" level of carbs at which they start hindering weight loss?DeguelloTex wrote: »
You said "excess" carbs. I eat 400g a day. Is that "excess"? What is "excess" carbs?AlexisUPenn wrote: »I didn't say you couldn't eat carbs... Wow
That's 1600 calories. For a substantial, active dude, might be 50% of intake on a TDEE of 3200. I'd be hard pressed to find a non-medical-issue scenario where 50% from carbs is "excess".
When they prevent someone from meeting the upper end of protein requirements without exceeding their deficit target, on one end. When they don't provide enough fuel to maintain the desired activity level at the other end.
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »Excessive carbs from processed/refined sources. What is excessive depends on the individual person as each of us has a unique metabolic rate that changes with time. Some people can tolerate x amount. While others would gain with that same amount.
Not in a deficit, they wouldn't.0
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