CALORIE QUALITY
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stevencloser wrote: »nichalsont wrote: »The nutritional value of the calorie really is the key. 1200 calories of crap won't keep you as satisfied or provide the energy that1200 calories of healthy food will. Also, since there will be sugar crashes and low energy with the 1200 calories of crap, it will be much harder to stay at just 1200 calories.
I've never experienced something like a "sugar crash" in my whole life, not even when I was overweight and would eat whole bags of candy in a day.
how old are you?
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stevencloser wrote: »nichalsont wrote: »The nutritional value of the calorie really is the key. 1200 calories of crap won't keep you as satisfied or provide the energy that1200 calories of healthy food will. Also, since there will be sugar crashes and low energy with the 1200 calories of crap, it will be much harder to stay at just 1200 calories.
I've never experienced something like a "sugar crash" in my whole life, not even when I was overweight and would eat whole bags of candy in a day.
how old are you?
Why is that relevant? Everyone was a child at some point and did the whole bag of candy thing.0 -
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LolBroScience wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »
You're learning. Stick around these forums, and maybe one day you'll meet your weight loss goal...LolBroScience wrote: »So....If I make a pizza with:- Reduced Fat Cheese (ok according to USDA according to the chart as skim milk > whole milk)
- Whole Wheat Crust (good because whole wheat you know)
- Pesto sauce (good because olive oil, healthy fats, etc you know)
- Lean Ground Beef (good because lean meat)
- Olives
- Any other topping that would fit the USDA criteria for "non-empty cals"
Even though it might be the same, if not more calories per slice.... it is not considered junk?
I just want to be toned....
I'd start with the bug bites on your back; Jesus, what bug was biting you? You can't get tone just by writing about it; keep eating Gelato. . . .good luck.
Those are barbell hickey's
Phew; good.. I didn't want to track down that damn bug. Working on the hickey's. . . . . osmosis isn't cutting it.
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stevencloser wrote: »nichalsont wrote: »The nutritional value of the calorie really is the key. 1200 calories of crap won't keep you as satisfied or provide the energy that1200 calories of healthy food will. Also, since there will be sugar crashes and low energy with the 1200 calories of crap, it will be much harder to stay at just 1200 calories.
I've never experienced something like a "sugar crash" in my whole life, not even when I was overweight and would eat whole bags of candy in a day.
how old are you?
Why is that relevant? Everyone was a child at some point and did the whole bag of candy thing.
It's also could be offensive to those who may or may not have had BED and done that as an adult as part of their disorder.
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I've omnommed a bag of candy and I'm 60. What's your point?stevencloser wrote: »nichalsont wrote: »The nutritional value of the calorie really is the key. 1200 calories of crap won't keep you as satisfied or provide the energy that1200 calories of healthy food will. Also, since there will be sugar crashes and low energy with the 1200 calories of crap, it will be much harder to stay at just 1200 calories.
I've never experienced something like a "sugar crash" in my whole life, not even when I was overweight and would eat whole bags of candy in a day.
how old are you?
I've omnommed a bag of candy and I'm 60. What's your point?0 -
Dietary carbohydrates are broken down to glucose and absorbed into the bloodstream via small intestines. Elevated concentrations of glucose in blood stimulate release of insulin. Insulin is a hormone that facilitates entry of glucose into muscle, fat cells and other tissues.
Insulin also stimulates the liver to store some of the excess glucose in the form of glycogen.
When the liver is saturated with glycogen, any additional glucose is shunted into pathways leading to synthesis of fatty acids, which are exported from the liver as lipoproteins. The lipoproteins are ripped apart in the circulation, providing free fatty acids for use in other tissues, including fat cells, which use them to synthesize triglyceride.
Insulin prevents the breakdown of fat in adipose tissue by inhibiting the intracellular lipase that hydrolyzes triglycerides to release fatty acids.
Insulin also facilitates entry of glucose into adipocytes (fat cells).
From a whole body perspective, insulin has a fat-sparing effect. Not only does it drive most cells to preferentially oxidize carbohydrates instead of fatty acids for energy, insulin indirectly stimulates accumulation of fat in adipose tissue.
So in short... The more carbs you eat. The more glucose in your blood stream. This stimulates increased insulin production. Insulin increases the storage of fat in fat cells and prevents the cells from releasing it for energy. Not to mention the effects of insulin on leptin resistance and ghrelin. The satiety and hunger hormones.
Of course there needs to be a calorie deficit in order to lose fat, that is common sense. But if you're just looking at calories in vs calories out you are only seeing a small piece of the puzzle. Calories are NOT created equal and play a big role in fat loss.0 -
@lemurcat12 @mccindy72 @Serah87
I personally don't get hung up on what people choose to call certain foods. The term "junk food" has been around for a long time...people have used the term to describe certain foods. I leave it to them as to what foods they label "junk". I don't take it as a personal affront if it happens to be a food that I consider "healthy".
I might use the term "junk food" out of habit to describe food that doesn't fit what I should be eating. Yes...I refer to the pizza that "I" eat as my "junk food". Technically I probably shouldn't eat it (namely store bought/delivered) because of the sodium level.
I am not judging anyone else's pizza...nor their chicken. I make room in my diet for those "junky" luxuries. I also really don't spend much time if any at all passing judgment on what anyone else eats.
I probably...most likely...will continue to refer to my Friday night pizza as my "junk food" night. If that offends any of you...not much that I can do about that.0 -
AlexisUPenn wrote: »Dietary carbohydrates are broken down to glucose and absorbed into the bloodstream via small intestines. Elevated concentrations of glucose in blood stimulate release of insulin. Insulin is a hormone that facilitates entry of glucose into muscle, fat cells and other tissues.
Insulin also stimulates the liver to store some of the excess glucose in the form of glycogen.
When the liver is saturated with glycogen, any additional glucose is shunted into pathways leading to synthesis of fatty acids, which are exported from the liver as lipoproteins. The lipoproteins are ripped apart in the circulation, providing free fatty acids for use in other tissues, including fat cells, which use them to synthesize triglyceride.
Insulin prevents the breakdown of fat in adipose tissue by inhibiting the intracellular lipase that hydrolyzes triglycerides to release fatty acids.
Insulin also facilitates entry of glucose into adipocytes (fat cells).
From a whole body perspective, insulin has a fat-sparing effect. Not only does it drive most cells to preferentially oxidize carbohydrates instead of fatty acids for energy, insulin indirectly stimulates accumulation of fat in adipose tissue.
So in short... The more carbs you eat. The more glucose in your blood stream. This stimulates increased insulin production. Insulin increases the storage of fat in fat cells and prevents the cells from releasing it for energy. Not to mention the effects of insulin on leptin resistance and ghrelin. The satiety and hunger hormones.
Of course there needs to be a calorie deficit in order to lose fat, that is common sense. But if you're just looking at calories in vs calories out you are only seeing a small piece of the puzzle. Calories are NOT created equal and play a big role in fat loss.
tl;dr
I lost 30 pounds eating plenty o' carbs.
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stevencloser wrote: »nichalsont wrote: »The nutritional value of the calorie really is the key. 1200 calories of crap won't keep you as satisfied or provide the energy that1200 calories of healthy food will. Also, since there will be sugar crashes and low energy with the 1200 calories of crap, it will be much harder to stay at just 1200 calories.
I've never experienced something like a "sugar crash" in my whole life, not even when I was overweight and would eat whole bags of candy in a day.
how old are you?
Why is that relevant? Everyone was a child at some point and did the whole bag of candy thing.
It's also could be offensive to those who may or may not have had BED and done that as an adult as part of their disorder.
I have had several times as an adult that I have eaten whole bags of candy...a big bag. There are certain candies that I just don't buy any more for fear that I might eat the entire bag...such as Peanut Butter M&Ms. Eliminating them has worked for me.
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Agree.AlexisUPenn wrote: »Dietary carbohydrates are broken down to glucose and absorbed into the bloodstream via small intestines. Elevated concentrations of glucose in blood stimulate release of insulin. Insulin is a hormone that facilitates entry of glucose into muscle, fat cells and other tissues.
Insulin also stimulates the liver to store some of the excess glucose in the form of glycogen.
When the liver is saturated with glycogen, any additional glucose is shunted into pathways leading to synthesis of fatty acids, which are exported from the liver as lipoproteins. The lipoproteins are ripped apart in the circulation, providing free fatty acids for use in other tissues, including fat cells, which use them to synthesize triglyceride.
Insulin prevents the breakdown of fat in adipose tissue by inhibiting the intracellular lipase that hydrolyzes triglycerides to release fatty acids.
Insulin also facilitates entry of glucose into adipocytes (fat cells).
From a whole body perspective, insulin has a fat-sparing effect. Not only does it drive most cells to preferentially oxidize carbohydrates instead of fatty acids for energy, insulin indirectly stimulates accumulation of fat in adipose tissue.
So in short... The more carbs you eat. The more glucose in your blood stream. This stimulates increased insulin production. Insulin increases the storage of fat in fat cells and prevents the cells from releasing it for energy. Not to mention the effects of insulin on leptin resistance and ghrelin. The satiety and hunger hormones.
Of course there needs to be a calorie deficit in order to lose fat, that is common sense. But if you're just looking at calories in vs calories out you are only seeing a small piece of the puzzle. Calories are NOT created equal and play a big role in fat loss.
tl;dr
I lost 30 pounds eating plenty o' carbs.
Is it time for gifs yet?
121 pounds gone, eating yummy carbs.
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@lemurcat12 @mccindy72 @Serah87
I personally don't get hung up on what people choose to call certain foods. The term "junk food" has been around for a long time...people have used the term to describe certain foods. I leave it to them as to what foods they label "junk". I don't take it as a personal affront if it happens to be a food that I consider "healthy".
I might use the term "junk food" out of habit to describe food that doesn't fit what I should be eating. Yes...I refer to the pizza that "I" eat as my "junk food". Technically I probably shouldn't eat it (namely store bought/delivered) because of the sodium level.
I am not judging anyone else's pizza...nor their chicken. I make room in my diet for those "junky" luxuries. I also really don't spend much time if any at all passing judgment on what anyone else eats.
I probably...most likely...will continue to refer to my Friday night pizza as my "junk food" night. If that offends any of you...not much that I can do about that.
The issue here, and the reason we argue about these terms, and these foods, in the forums, is that there are many lurkers who read these threads. Many of them are new people who are reading to learn. You personally might use the term 'junk food' at home when referring to your personal pizza order, but using the term here, in reference to the food called pizza, in general, can be harmful when people are trying to learn about eating and losing weight.0 -
I never said excess calories doesn't cause weight gain. My point is that the equation is not as simple as calories in vs calories out. There are hormones that influence the utilization of energy consumed- and they determine whether they are burned for energy or stored as fat.0
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Nope.AlexisUPenn wrote: »I never said excess calories doesn't cause weight gain. My point is that the equation is not as simple as calories in vs calories out. There are hormones that influence the utilization of energy consumed- and they determine whether they are burned for energy or stored as fat.
CI/CO.
Unless medical issues, but it still CI/CO but at much slower rate.
Science.
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »Dietary carbohydrates are broken down to glucose and absorbed into the bloodstream via small intestines. Elevated concentrations of glucose in blood stimulate release of insulin. Insulin is a hormone that facilitates entry of glucose into muscle, fat cells and other tissues.
Insulin also stimulates the liver to store some of the excess glucose in the form of glycogen.
When the liver is saturated with glycogen, any additional glucose is shunted into pathways leading to synthesis of fatty acids, which are exported from the liver as lipoproteins. The lipoproteins are ripped apart in the circulation, providing free fatty acids for use in other tissues, including fat cells, which use them to synthesize triglyceride.
Insulin prevents the breakdown of fat in adipose tissue by inhibiting the intracellular lipase that hydrolyzes triglycerides to release fatty acids.
Insulin also facilitates entry of glucose into adipocytes (fat cells).
From a whole body perspective, insulin has a fat-sparing effect. Not only does it drive most cells to preferentially oxidize carbohydrates instead of fatty acids for energy, insulin indirectly stimulates accumulation of fat in adipose tissue.
So in short... The more carbs you eat. The more glucose in your blood stream. This stimulates increased insulin production. Insulin increases the storage of fat in fat cells and prevents the cells from releasing it for energy. Not to mention the effects of insulin on leptin resistance and ghrelin. The satiety and hunger hormones.
Of course there needs to be a calorie deficit in order to lose fat, that is common sense. But if you're just looking at calories in vs calories out you are only seeing a small piece of the puzzle. Calories are NOT created equal and play a big role in fat loss.
insulin only plays a role as large as you make it out here in cases of insulin resistance, which isn't very often. And to be honest, in a calorie deficit, this isn't a factor, as fat storage is impossible.0 -
I have all kinds of clean eating friends that do no better in weight loss and health than I do using moderation and balanced meals. But I eat burgers, fries, pizza, etc, and drink a boatload of beers too.
No difference. I do better than some and worse than a few, but that is more based on how strict they or I want to be.
I'll take enjoying my life with good health for $500 Bob.
Bob? or Alex?
Awww heck...I don't recall. lol.
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »Dietary carbohydrates are broken down to glucose and absorbed into the bloodstream via small intestines. Elevated concentrations of glucose in blood stimulate release of insulin. Insulin is a hormone that facilitates entry of glucose into muscle, fat cells and other tissues.
Insulin also stimulates the liver to store some of the excess glucose in the form of glycogen.
When the liver is saturated with glycogen, any additional glucose is shunted into pathways leading to synthesis of fatty acids, which are exported from the liver as lipoproteins. The lipoproteins are ripped apart in the circulation, providing free fatty acids for use in other tissues, including fat cells, which use them to synthesize triglyceride.
Insulin prevents the breakdown of fat in adipose tissue by inhibiting the intracellular lipase that hydrolyzes triglycerides to release fatty acids.
Insulin also facilitates entry of glucose into adipocytes (fat cells).
From a whole body perspective, insulin has a fat-sparing effect. Not only does it drive most cells to preferentially oxidize carbohydrates instead of fatty acids for energy, insulin indirectly stimulates accumulation of fat in adipose tissue.
So in short... The more carbs you eat. The more glucose in your blood stream. This stimulates increased insulin production. Insulin increases the storage of fat in fat cells and prevents the cells from releasing it for energy. Not to mention the effects of insulin on leptin resistance and ghrelin. The satiety and hunger hormones.
Of course there needs to be a calorie deficit in order to lose fat, that is common sense. But if you're just looking at calories in vs calories out you are only seeing a small piece of the puzzle. Calories are NOT created equal and play a big role in fat loss.
I do not know of many people who use the word shunted. Maybe I'm a hermit, then again....
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/pancreas/insulin_phys.html
It would be nice if you'd give credit for the source of info you are cutting and pasting.
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Uh ya. Nice job calling her out_Terrapin_ wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »Dietary carbohydrates are broken down to glucose and absorbed into the bloodstream via small intestines. Elevated concentrations of glucose in blood stimulate release of insulin. Insulin is a hormone that facilitates entry of glucose into muscle, fat cells and other tissues.
Insulin also stimulates the liver to store some of the excess glucose in the form of glycogen.
When the liver is saturated with glycogen, any additional glucose is shunted into pathways leading to synthesis of fatty acids, which are exported from the liver as lipoproteins. The lipoproteins are ripped apart in the circulation, providing free fatty acids for use in other tissues, including fat cells, which use them to synthesize triglyceride.
Insulin prevents the breakdown of fat in adipose tissue by inhibiting the intracellular lipase that hydrolyzes triglycerides to release fatty acids.
Insulin also facilitates entry of glucose into adipocytes (fat cells).
From a whole body perspective, insulin has a fat-sparing effect. Not only does it drive most cells to preferentially oxidize carbohydrates instead of fatty acids for energy, insulin indirectly stimulates accumulation of fat in adipose tissue.
So in short... The more carbs you eat. The more glucose in your blood stream. This stimulates increased insulin production. Insulin increases the storage of fat in fat cells and prevents the cells from releasing it for energy. Not to mention the effects of insulin on leptin resistance and ghrelin. The satiety and hunger hormones.
Of course there needs to be a calorie deficit in order to lose fat, that is common sense. But if you're just looking at calories in vs calories out you are only seeing a small piece of the puzzle. Calories are NOT created equal and play a big role in fat loss.
I do not know of many people who use the word shunted. Maybe I'm a hermit, then again....
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/pancreas/insulin_phys.html
It would be nice if you'd give credit for the source of info you are cutting and pasting.
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »Dietary carbohydrates are broken down to glucose and absorbed into the bloodstream via small intestines. Elevated concentrations of glucose in blood stimulate release of insulin. Insulin is a hormone that facilitates entry of glucose into muscle, fat cells and other tissues.
Insulin also stimulates the liver to store some of the excess glucose in the form of glycogen.
When the liver is saturated with glycogen, any additional glucose is shunted into pathways leading to synthesis of fatty acids, which are exported from the liver as lipoproteins. The lipoproteins are ripped apart in the circulation, providing free fatty acids for use in other tissues, including fat cells, which use them to synthesize triglyceride.
Insulin prevents the breakdown of fat in adipose tissue by inhibiting the intracellular lipase that hydrolyzes triglycerides to release fatty acids.
Insulin also facilitates entry of glucose into adipocytes (fat cells).
From a whole body perspective, insulin has a fat-sparing effect. Not only does it drive most cells to preferentially oxidize carbohydrates instead of fatty acids for energy, insulin indirectly stimulates accumulation of fat in adipose tissue.
So in short... The more carbs you eat. The more glucose in your blood stream. This stimulates increased insulin production. Insulin increases the storage of fat in fat cells and prevents the cells from releasing it for energy. Not to mention the effects of insulin on leptin resistance and ghrelin. The satiety and hunger hormones.
Of course there needs to be a calorie deficit in order to lose fat, that is common sense. But if you're just looking at calories in vs calories out you are only seeing a small piece of the puzzle. Calories are NOT created equal and play a big role in fat loss.
I do not know of many people who use the word shunted. Maybe I'm a hermit, then again....
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/pancreas/insulin_phys.html
It would be nice if you'd give credit for the source of info you are cutting and pasting.
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To each their own! I am here to get healthy and fit and to create lasting lifestyle changes (as I starting having health issues). That means different things to different people. I don't want to be forced to eat at a deficit and/or work my *kitten* off just so I can continue have crap daily. Personally, I hate the way junk food makes me feel ...it fluffs me up quickly and really slows me down. So it's not part of my daily eating (or drinking) habits, only occasional in moderate amounts.0
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How did that "call me out?" it's a reputable resource and explains the process of carb metabolism which you would find is the same process anywhere you look.
If you consumed 1200 cals and 80% were from carbs, 10% protein and 10% fat did that for a week and then tried doing 1200 cals with 25% carbs, 40% protein and 35% fat you would get very different results.0 -
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stevencloser wrote: »nichalsont wrote: »The nutritional value of the calorie really is the key. 1200 calories of crap won't keep you as satisfied or provide the energy that1200 calories of healthy food will. Also, since there will be sugar crashes and low energy with the 1200 calories of crap, it will be much harder to stay at just 1200 calories.
I've never experienced something like a "sugar crash" in my whole life, not even when I was overweight and would eat whole bags of candy in a day.
how old are you?
Why is that relevant? Everyone was a child at some point and did the whole bag of candy thing.
I've eaten whole bags of candy, on at least one occasion it was over 2lbs of gummy bears. Don't buy gummy bears at Sam's club!
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »How did that "call me out?" it's a reputable resource and explains the process of carb metabolism which you would find is the same process anywhere you look.
If you consumed 1200 cals and 80% were from carbs, 10% protein and 10% fat did that for a week and then tried doing 1200 cals with 25% carbs, 40% protein and 35% fat you would get very different results.
That's not calorie quality, that's macronutrient breakdown.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »nichalsont wrote: »The nutritional value of the calorie really is the key. 1200 calories of crap won't keep you as satisfied or provide the energy that1200 calories of healthy food will. Also, since there will be sugar crashes and low energy with the 1200 calories of crap, it will be much harder to stay at just 1200 calories.
I've never experienced something like a "sugar crash" in my whole life, not even when I was overweight and would eat whole bags of candy in a day.
how old are you?
Why is that relevant? Everyone was a child at some point and did the whole bag of candy thing.
It's also could be offensive to those who may or may not have had BED and done that as an adult as part of their disorder.
I've done this as an adult, it is not offensive I don't think.
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