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snickerscharlie wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
Had them last night for dinner. They sure are a pita to prepare, but delicious. Even without the Chianti.
I know, I love them so much. Wish I could get someone else to make them for me regularly!0 -
This idea that junk food is required in a diet because excluding it makes binging a foregone conclusion...it's so very wrong.snickerscharlie wrote: »3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Guy B because he will have lost weight.
Guy A gave up on his restrictive diet and binged, went waaay over on his calories and actually *gained* weight.
Moderation is key. Incorporating some of the foods you love into your daily 'budget' is the way most people manage to lose weight, stay healthy *and* keep their sanity. It's a balance.
The idea that a person who doesn't eat junk food is insane...it's not just wrong, it's a little over the top.
One can eat healthy foods, not binge and remain sane. I swear. People have done it.
You really don't have to eat junk food to lose weight.
It doesn't really justify to call any food 'junk food'. If a person it eating a well-balanced diet, and wants to have some chips, and is still within a calorie deficit, that's just fine. And healthy.
Why do people (a lot of people) get hung up on the terms 'healthy food' and 'junk food'? It's not the food that makes it healthy or unhealthy. It's the balance of food, and the amount of calories consumed, that can make the person unhealthy. The food is neither healthy nor unhealthy.
In the real world IMO people aren't hung up on those terms. It seems to be mainly on sites such as MFP or when someone acquires certain eating habits.
Those terms have been around for a long time. They have been used by many to describe certain foods. Personally I don't understand why anyone gets offended by their usage...they are just labels. Labels that define peoples opinions on food.
I get in the mood for some good junky food sometimes...you know...the kind that makes you wish you hadn't eaten as much as what you did. Fridays are "junk" night at my house. I look forward to it all week.
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So....If I make a pizza with:
- Reduced Fat Cheese (ok according to USDA according to the chart as skim milk > whole milk)
- Whole Wheat Crust (good because whole wheat you know)
- Pesto sauce (good because olive oil, healthy fats, etc you know)
- Lean Ground Beef (good because lean meat)
- Olives
- Any other topping that would fit the USDA criteria for "non-empty cals"
Even though it might be the same, if not more calories per slice.... it is not considered junk? Sure, it's probably more dense in nutrients... but overeating it you'll still gain weight assuming caloric surplus.0 -
You're learning. Stick around these forums, and maybe one day you'll meet your weight loss goal...LolBroScience wrote: »So....If I make a pizza with:- Reduced Fat Cheese (ok according to USDA according to the chart as skim milk > whole milk)
- Whole Wheat Crust (good because whole wheat you know)
- Pesto sauce (good because olive oil, healthy fats, etc you know)
- Lean Ground Beef (good because lean meat)
- Olives
- Any other topping that would fit the USDA criteria for "non-empty cals"
Even though it might be the same, if not more calories per slice.... it is not considered junk?
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You're learning. Stick around these forums, and maybe one day you'll meet your weight loss goal...LolBroScience wrote: »So....If I make a pizza with:- Reduced Fat Cheese (ok according to USDA according to the chart as skim milk > whole milk)
- Whole Wheat Crust (good because whole wheat you know)
- Pesto sauce (good because olive oil, healthy fats, etc you know)
- Lean Ground Beef (good because lean meat)
- Olives
- Any other topping that would fit the USDA criteria for "non-empty cals"
Even though it might be the same, if not more calories per slice.... it is not considered junk?
I just want to be toned....0 -
You're learning. Stick around these forums, and maybe one day you'll meet your weight loss goal...LolBroScience wrote: »So....If I make a pizza with:- Reduced Fat Cheese (ok according to USDA according to the chart as skim milk > whole milk)
- Whole Wheat Crust (good because whole wheat you know)
- Pesto sauce (good because olive oil, healthy fats, etc you know)
- Lean Ground Beef (good because lean meat)
- Olives
- Any other topping that would fit the USDA criteria for "non-empty cals"
Even though it might be the same, if not more calories per slice.... it is not considered junk?
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I got the point.kshama2001 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Isn't the ultimate goal to be HEALTHY though? Or am I the only one who thinks like that? I'm all for having the occasional treat but I'm not going to fill up my daily calories with junk. But that's just me.
I lost 121 pounds eating 80% healthy and 20% treat foods, I have totally reverse my heart disease and my blood work is near perfect.
Ice cream has good nutrition in it calcium, protein, etc.
How is pizza considered junk, it has veggies, meat, cheese, tomatoes, fruit sometimes, etc. it bogs my mind why people think pizza is junk. LOL
Why do people think pizza is junk? Well, for one thing, the USDA has labeled it empty calories.
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories.html
So pizza is "junk" because it contains cheese? Because that's what your argument says.
Even if cheese is "empty calories," there is a distinction between IS empty calories (as you incorrectly claimed the USDA had said about pizza) and "contains empty calories."
If your argument were correct, every food containing saturated fat (which is the stated problem here with pizza) would be "junk food."
Do you really wish to defend that claim? I would not.
And the pizza I eat, again, is NOT empty calories (although it does include some cheese, as did my vegetable omelet this morning, which thus also must be junk food, I guess). Instead, it includes lots of vegetables, tomatoes, usually olives, ideally some lean meat, and of course olive oil and herbs. If I make it at home (although I'm not as good at it as the Italian place I like), it generally has a whole wheat crust also.
Seems weird to call it "junk food." YMMV about the merits of vegetables, etc, though, or perhaps you have a more phobic attitude toward cheese.
Y'all are missing my point, which is that considering pizza to be junk food shouldn't be surprising given that the USDA features pizza among "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories for Americans". Is it really such a stretch to imagine people mentally shortening "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories" to "junk food"?
Of course pizza falls into the junk food category. Ask friends, relatives or coworkers what their favorite junk food is and someone is going to say, "Pizza!" I don't get everyone's love for it. Even when I made no attempt at eating a healthy diet, I still had pizza near the bottom of the list of things I liked to eat. But people love pizza. It's got to be one of the most popular junk foods in America.
One thing I don't understand about the conversations that happen in these threads.... when a topic comes up like this, you tend to come along and say something like the bolded statement. The tendency in this thread has been to discuss these foods in the generalized sense, to determine their worth as nutritional or not. Yet when you comment, you like to mention things like this - "I had pizza near the bottom of things I liked to eat". Why this need to always make everything about you?
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LolBroScience wrote: »
You're learning. Stick around these forums, and maybe one day you'll meet your weight loss goal...LolBroScience wrote: »So....If I make a pizza with:- Reduced Fat Cheese (ok according to USDA according to the chart as skim milk > whole milk)
- Whole Wheat Crust (good because whole wheat you know)
- Pesto sauce (good because olive oil, healthy fats, etc you know)
- Lean Ground Beef (good because lean meat)
- Olives
- Any other topping that would fit the USDA criteria for "non-empty cals"
Even though it might be the same, if not more calories per slice.... it is not considered junk?
I just want to be toned....
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lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Isn't the ultimate goal to be HEALTHY though? Or am I the only one who thinks like that? I'm all for having the occasional treat but I'm not going to fill up my daily calories with junk. But that's just me.
I lost 121 pounds eating 80% healthy and 20% treat foods, I have totally reverse my heart disease and my blood work is near perfect.
Ice cream has good nutrition in it calcium, protein, etc.
How is pizza considered junk, it has veggies, meat, cheese, tomatoes, fruit sometimes, etc. it bogs my mind why people think pizza is junk. LOL
Why do people think pizza is junk? Well, for one thing, the USDA has labeled it empty calories.
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories.html
So pizza is "junk" because it contains cheese? Because that's what your argument says.
Even if cheese is "empty calories," there is a distinction between IS empty calories (as you incorrectly claimed the USDA had said about pizza) and "contains empty calories."
If your argument were correct, every food containing saturated fat (which is the stated problem here with pizza) would be "junk food."
Do you really wish to defend that claim? I would not.
And the pizza I eat, again, is NOT empty calories (although it does include some cheese, as did my vegetable omelet this morning, which thus also must be junk food, I guess). Instead, it includes lots of vegetables, tomatoes, usually olives, ideally some lean meat, and of course olive oil and herbs. If I make it at home (although I'm not as good at it as the Italian place I like), it generally has a whole wheat crust also.
Seems weird to call it "junk food." YMMV about the merits of vegetables, etc, though, or perhaps you have a more phobic attitude toward cheese.
Y'all are missing my point, which is that considering pizza to be junk food shouldn't be surprising given that the USDA features pizza among "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories for Americans". Is it really such a stretch to imagine people mentally shortening "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories" to "junk food"?
Yes, because I read WHY it is said to be a large contributor to "empty calories"--basically saturated fat. There are tons of other foods (including cheese itself) that contain lots of saturated fat that aren't alleged to be "junk foods," and many of those are much less likely to actually deliver vegetables and olive oil--foods the USDA seems to smile upon.
Maybe I'm naive in expecting more.
Do you think that it might also have something to do with the quantity of pizza that most people eat? I use to over consume pizza...frequently. For me that is why it got moved to the heavily moderated column...I really like that junky pizza!
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I got the point.kshama2001 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Isn't the ultimate goal to be HEALTHY though? Or am I the only one who thinks like that? I'm all for having the occasional treat but I'm not going to fill up my daily calories with junk. But that's just me.
I lost 121 pounds eating 80% healthy and 20% treat foods, I have totally reverse my heart disease and my blood work is near perfect.
Ice cream has good nutrition in it calcium, protein, etc.
How is pizza considered junk, it has veggies, meat, cheese, tomatoes, fruit sometimes, etc. it bogs my mind why people think pizza is junk. LOL
Why do people think pizza is junk? Well, for one thing, the USDA has labeled it empty calories.
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories.html
So pizza is "junk" because it contains cheese? Because that's what your argument says.
Even if cheese is "empty calories," there is a distinction between IS empty calories (as you incorrectly claimed the USDA had said about pizza) and "contains empty calories."
If your argument were correct, every food containing saturated fat (which is the stated problem here with pizza) would be "junk food."
Do you really wish to defend that claim? I would not.
And the pizza I eat, again, is NOT empty calories (although it does include some cheese, as did my vegetable omelet this morning, which thus also must be junk food, I guess). Instead, it includes lots of vegetables, tomatoes, usually olives, ideally some lean meat, and of course olive oil and herbs. If I make it at home (although I'm not as good at it as the Italian place I like), it generally has a whole wheat crust also.
Seems weird to call it "junk food." YMMV about the merits of vegetables, etc, though, or perhaps you have a more phobic attitude toward cheese.
Y'all are missing my point, which is that considering pizza to be junk food shouldn't be surprising given that the USDA features pizza among "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories for Americans". Is it really such a stretch to imagine people mentally shortening "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories" to "junk food"?
Of course pizza falls into the junk food category. Ask friends, relatives or coworkers what their favorite junk food is and someone is going to say, "Pizza!" I don't get everyone's love for it. Even when I made no attempt at eating a healthy diet, I still had pizza near the bottom of the list of things I liked to eat. But people love pizza. It's got to be one of the most popular junk foods in America.
One thing I don't understand about the conversations that happen in these threads.... when a topic comes up like this, you tend to come along and say something like the bolded statement. The tendency in this thread has been to discuss these foods in the generalized sense, to determine their worth as nutritional or not. Yet when you comment, you like to mention things like this - "I had pizza near the bottom of things I liked to eat". Why this need to always make everything about you?
It was an aside. You do that, too. A lot of people do that. We could go through this thread and hear people talk about things they've done, not done, liked, not liked, etc.
However, if my posts upset you, please feel free to skip them.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Isn't the ultimate goal to be HEALTHY though? Or am I the only one who thinks like that? I'm all for having the occasional treat but I'm not going to fill up my daily calories with junk. But that's just me.
I lost 121 pounds eating 80% healthy and 20% treat foods, I have totally reverse my heart disease and my blood work is near perfect.
Ice cream has good nutrition in it calcium, protein, etc.
How is pizza considered junk, it has veggies, meat, cheese, tomatoes, fruit sometimes, etc. it bogs my mind why people think pizza is junk. LOL
Why do people think pizza is junk? Well, for one thing, the USDA has labeled it empty calories.
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories.html
So pizza is "junk" because it contains cheese? Because that's what your argument says.
Even if cheese is "empty calories," there is a distinction between IS empty calories (as you incorrectly claimed the USDA had said about pizza) and "contains empty calories."
If your argument were correct, every food containing saturated fat (which is the stated problem here with pizza) would be "junk food."
Do you really wish to defend that claim? I would not.
And the pizza I eat, again, is NOT empty calories (although it does include some cheese, as did my vegetable omelet this morning, which thus also must be junk food, I guess). Instead, it includes lots of vegetables, tomatoes, usually olives, ideally some lean meat, and of course olive oil and herbs. If I make it at home (although I'm not as good at it as the Italian place I like), it generally has a whole wheat crust also.
Seems weird to call it "junk food." YMMV about the merits of vegetables, etc, though, or perhaps you have a more phobic attitude toward cheese.
Y'all are missing my point, which is that considering pizza to be junk food shouldn't be surprising given that the USDA features pizza among "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories for Americans". Is it really such a stretch to imagine people mentally shortening "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories" to "junk food"?
Yes, because I read WHY it is said to be a large contributor to "empty calories"--basically saturated fat. There are tons of other foods (including cheese itself) that contain lots of saturated fat that aren't alleged to be "junk foods," and many of those are much less likely to actually deliver vegetables and olive oil--foods the USDA seems to smile upon.
Maybe I'm naive in expecting more.
Do you think that it might also have something to do with the quantity of pizza that most people eat? I use to over consume pizza...frequently. For me that is why it got moved to the heavily moderated column...I really like that junky pizza!
Just because you like to overeat something, doesn't qualify that food as 'junk'. I overeat the hell out of green peppers, but that doesn't make them junk food. When I do eat pizza, I like to eat a lot of it, so I make sure I have room in my calories for it by making room several days ahead of time. I make it with fresh ingredients, turkey sausage, green peppers, pineapple, gorgonzola cheese, (and dairy-free mozzarella), organic sauce, and homemade crust. I'd like to know what's junky about all of that. I eat a lot of it, but that's my choice. That doesn't make it junk.0 -
The whole "calories in- calories out" is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.0
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So for those who claim that pizza is "of course" junk food -- is pasta "of course" junk food?
As I mentioned, I mostly get pizza at a local Italian place, and I do not see how the ingredients in the pizza and pasta dishes are meaningfully different from a nutrition POV.
Wheat -- in both -- check.
Olive oil -- in both -- check.
High fat dairy (cheese/cream) -- often in both, not always in either -- check.
Vegetables -- on both -- check.
Lean meats/seafood/sometimes fattier meats like sausage -- on both -- check.
Herbs/spices -- on both -- check.
Additional ingredients like olives and mushrooms that are often considered "healthy" -- could be on either -- check.
When I make pizza or pasta at home the main difference is that I use whole wheat vs. white and that I cut back somewhat on the cheese and the amount of olive oil or other high calorie ingredients used.
If the definition of "junk food" is (a) high calorie, and (b) low nutrient, neither the Italian restaurant pizza I order nor the homemade pizza fits (b). The homemade pizza doesn't fit (a), and while the restaurant one does when compared to many homemade meals, it's actually likely not particularly high calorie for a restaurant meal.
So could we possibly have a logical argument for why pizza is inherently "junk food"?
Hint: good arguments do not include (a) often has lots of cheese and some people choose sausage rather than vegetables; (b) contains saturated fat (unless you are willing to argue that ALL foods containing saturated fat are "junk food"); and (c) often ordered by drunk college students.
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I use to over eat chicken, mash potatoes, green beans, peanut butter, etc. etc. are they considered junk food too??lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Isn't the ultimate goal to be HEALTHY though? Or am I the only one who thinks like that? I'm all for having the occasional treat but I'm not going to fill up my daily calories with junk. But that's just me.
I lost 121 pounds eating 80% healthy and 20% treat foods, I have totally reverse my heart disease and my blood work is near perfect.
Ice cream has good nutrition in it calcium, protein, etc.
How is pizza considered junk, it has veggies, meat, cheese, tomatoes, fruit sometimes, etc. it bogs my mind why people think pizza is junk. LOL
Why do people think pizza is junk? Well, for one thing, the USDA has labeled it empty calories.
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories.html
So pizza is "junk" because it contains cheese? Because that's what your argument says.
Even if cheese is "empty calories," there is a distinction between IS empty calories (as you incorrectly claimed the USDA had said about pizza) and "contains empty calories."
If your argument were correct, every food containing saturated fat (which is the stated problem here with pizza) would be "junk food."
Do you really wish to defend that claim? I would not.
And the pizza I eat, again, is NOT empty calories (although it does include some cheese, as did my vegetable omelet this morning, which thus also must be junk food, I guess). Instead, it includes lots of vegetables, tomatoes, usually olives, ideally some lean meat, and of course olive oil and herbs. If I make it at home (although I'm not as good at it as the Italian place I like), it generally has a whole wheat crust also.
Seems weird to call it "junk food." YMMV about the merits of vegetables, etc, though, or perhaps you have a more phobic attitude toward cheese.
Y'all are missing my point, which is that considering pizza to be junk food shouldn't be surprising given that the USDA features pizza among "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories for Americans". Is it really such a stretch to imagine people mentally shortening "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories" to "junk food"?
Yes, because I read WHY it is said to be a large contributor to "empty calories"--basically saturated fat. There are tons of other foods (including cheese itself) that contain lots of saturated fat that aren't alleged to be "junk foods," and many of those are much less likely to actually deliver vegetables and olive oil--foods the USDA seems to smile upon.
Maybe I'm naive in expecting more.
Do you think that it might also have something to do with the quantity of pizza that most people eat? I use to over consume pizza...frequently. For me that is why it got moved to the heavily moderated column...I really like that junky pizza!
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »The whole "calories in- calories out" is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.
Same question as to the other guy.
How do carbs break the law of conservation of energy?0 -
AlexisUPenn wrote: »The whole "calories in- calories out" is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.
Sorry, no. There's no 'excess' in a deficit. You're discussing two different points. One - you'll always lose weight in a calorie deficit, so no matter what food you eat, be it only doughnuts or only broccoli, you'll still lose weight. Two - your health depends on a proper balance of micronutrients, so you don't want to eat only doughnuts or only broccoli, but a proper balance of foods.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Isn't the ultimate goal to be HEALTHY though? Or am I the only one who thinks like that? I'm all for having the occasional treat but I'm not going to fill up my daily calories with junk. But that's just me.
I lost 121 pounds eating 80% healthy and 20% treat foods, I have totally reverse my heart disease and my blood work is near perfect.
Ice cream has good nutrition in it calcium, protein, etc.
How is pizza considered junk, it has veggies, meat, cheese, tomatoes, fruit sometimes, etc. it bogs my mind why people think pizza is junk. LOL
Why do people think pizza is junk? Well, for one thing, the USDA has labeled it empty calories.
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/calories/empty-calories.html
So pizza is "junk" because it contains cheese? Because that's what your argument says.
Even if cheese is "empty calories," there is a distinction between IS empty calories (as you incorrectly claimed the USDA had said about pizza) and "contains empty calories."
If your argument were correct, every food containing saturated fat (which is the stated problem here with pizza) would be "junk food."
Do you really wish to defend that claim? I would not.
And the pizza I eat, again, is NOT empty calories (although it does include some cheese, as did my vegetable omelet this morning, which thus also must be junk food, I guess). Instead, it includes lots of vegetables, tomatoes, usually olives, ideally some lean meat, and of course olive oil and herbs. If I make it at home (although I'm not as good at it as the Italian place I like), it generally has a whole wheat crust also.
Seems weird to call it "junk food." YMMV about the merits of vegetables, etc, though, or perhaps you have a more phobic attitude toward cheese.
Y'all are missing my point, which is that considering pizza to be junk food shouldn't be surprising given that the USDA features pizza among "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories for Americans". Is it really such a stretch to imagine people mentally shortening "foods and beverages that provide the most empty calories" to "junk food"?
Yes, because I read WHY it is said to be a large contributor to "empty calories"--basically saturated fat. There are tons of other foods (including cheese itself) that contain lots of saturated fat that aren't alleged to be "junk foods," and many of those are much less likely to actually deliver vegetables and olive oil--foods the USDA seems to smile upon.
Maybe I'm naive in expecting more.
Do you think that it might also have something to do with the quantity of pizza that most people eat? I use to over consume pizza...frequently. For me that is why it got moved to the heavily moderated column...I really like that junky pizza!
But the definition of junk food doesn't seem to have anything to do with quantities people eat. People overconsume steak all the time -- I mean look at the ridiculous steakhouse serving sizes -- and yet no one calls that junk food.
Don't get me wrong, I think you could have a pizza that largely meets the junk food definition (although I don't think there's anything wrong with being "junk food"). I just think it's weird that people seem to be in denial about the variety of pizza options out there and that the main thing they seem focused on is cheese and fat (which is usually defended up the wazoo by many of those who go on about pizza).0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
You're learning. Stick around these forums, and maybe one day you'll meet your weight loss goal...LolBroScience wrote: »So....If I make a pizza with:- Reduced Fat Cheese (ok according to USDA according to the chart as skim milk > whole milk)
- Whole Wheat Crust (good because whole wheat you know)
- Pesto sauce (good because olive oil, healthy fats, etc you know)
- Lean Ground Beef (good because lean meat)
- Olives
- Any other topping that would fit the USDA criteria for "non-empty cals"
Even though it might be the same, if not more calories per slice.... it is not considered junk?
I just want to be toned....
I'd start with the bug bites on your back; Jesus, what bug was biting you? You can't get tone just by writing about it; keep eating Gelato. . . .good luck.
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Just because you like to overeat something, doesn't qualify that food as 'junk'. I overeat the hell out of green peppers, but that doesn't make them junk food. When I do eat pizza, I like to eat a lot of it, so I make sure I have room in my calories for it by making room several days ahead of time. I make it with fresh ingredients, turkey sausage, green peppers, pineapple, gorgonzola cheese, (and dairy-free mozzarella), organic sauce, and homemade crust. I'd like to know what's junky about all of that. I eat a lot of it, but that's my choice. That doesn't make it junk.
Case in point. Lots of people, including you, do this.One thing I don't understand about the conversations that happen in these threads.... when a topic comes up like this, you tend to come along and say something like the bolded statement. The tendency in this thread has been to discuss these foods in the generalized sense, to determine their worth as nutritional or not. Yet when you comment, you like to mention things like this - "I had pizza near the bottom of things I liked to eat". Why this need to always make everything about you?0 -
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There, fixed it.AlexisUPenn wrote: »The whole "calories in- calories out" works is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.
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I have all kinds of clean eating friends that do no better in weight loss and health than I do using moderation and balanced meals. But I eat burgers, fries, pizza, etc, and drink a boatload of beers too.
No difference. I do better than some and worse than a few, but that is more based on how strict they or I want to be.
I'll take enjoying my life with good health for $500 Bob.0 -
Just because you like to overeat something, doesn't qualify that food as 'junk'. I overeat the hell out of green peppers, but that doesn't make them junk food. When I do eat pizza, I like to eat a lot of it, so I make sure I have room in my calories for it by making room several days ahead of time. I make it with fresh ingredients, turkey sausage, green peppers, pineapple, gorgonzola cheese, (and dairy-free mozzarella), organic sauce, and homemade crust. I'd like to know what's junky about all of that. I eat a lot of it, but that's my choice. That doesn't make it junk.
Case in point. Lots of people, including you, do this.One thing I don't understand about the conversations that happen in these threads.... when a topic comes up like this, you tend to come along and say something like the bolded statement. The tendency in this thread has been to discuss these foods in the generalized sense, to determine their worth as nutritional or not. Yet when you comment, you like to mention things like this - "I had pizza near the bottom of things I liked to eat". Why this need to always make everything about you?
You obviously don't understand the difference between giving an example to make a point and constantly making a thread about yourself (case in point: when exercise comes up: swimming. When OP can't lose weight: your thyroid. Food addiction: you couldn't stop eating white pasta.)0 -
I have all kinds of clean eating friends that do no better in weight loss and health than I do using moderation and balanced meals. But I eat burgers, fries, pizza, etc, and drink a boatload of beers too.
No difference. I do better than some and worse than a few, but that is more based on how strict they or I want to be.
I'll take enjoying my life with good health for $500 Bob.
Bob? or Alex?
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ForestFairy022 wrote: »Oh and I wanted to add, weight loss can be stalled by junk food because it has more sodium. Which holds back water weight.
Junk food usually is high carb also and high carbohydrate intake retains both water and sodium. Low carb eating dumps excess water and sodium.
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LolBroScience wrote: »
You're learning. Stick around these forums, and maybe one day you'll meet your weight loss goal...LolBroScience wrote: »So....If I make a pizza with:- Reduced Fat Cheese (ok according to USDA according to the chart as skim milk > whole milk)
- Whole Wheat Crust (good because whole wheat you know)
- Pesto sauce (good because olive oil, healthy fats, etc you know)
- Lean Ground Beef (good because lean meat)
- Olives
- Any other topping that would fit the USDA criteria for "non-empty cals"
Even though it might be the same, if not more calories per slice.... it is not considered junk?
I just want to be toned....
Y'all are killing me!
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ForestFairy022 wrote: »Oh and I wanted to add, weight loss can be stalled by junk food because it has more sodium. Which holds back water weight.
Junk food usually is high carb also and high carbohydrate intake retains both water and sodium. Low carb eating dumps excess water and sodium.
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »
You're learning. Stick around these forums, and maybe one day you'll meet your weight loss goal...LolBroScience wrote: »So....If I make a pizza with:- Reduced Fat Cheese (ok according to USDA according to the chart as skim milk > whole milk)
- Whole Wheat Crust (good because whole wheat you know)
- Pesto sauce (good because olive oil, healthy fats, etc you know)
- Lean Ground Beef (good because lean meat)
- Olives
- Any other topping that would fit the USDA criteria for "non-empty cals"
Even though it might be the same, if not more calories per slice.... it is not considered junk?
I just want to be toned....
I'd start with the bug bites on your back; Jesus, what bug was biting you? You can't get tone just by writing about it; keep eating Gelato. . . .good luck.
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Just because you like to overeat something, doesn't qualify that food as 'junk'. I overeat the hell out of green peppers, but that doesn't make them junk food. When I do eat pizza, I like to eat a lot of it, so I make sure I have room in my calories for it by making room several days ahead of time. I make it with fresh ingredients, turkey sausage, green peppers, pineapple, gorgonzola cheese, (and dairy-free mozzarella), organic sauce, and homemade crust. I'd like to know what's junky about all of that. I eat a lot of it, but that's my choice. That doesn't make it junk.
Case in point. Lots of people, including you, do this.One thing I don't understand about the conversations that happen in these threads.... when a topic comes up like this, you tend to come along and say something like the bolded statement. The tendency in this thread has been to discuss these foods in the generalized sense, to determine their worth as nutritional or not. Yet when you comment, you like to mention things like this - "I had pizza near the bottom of things I liked to eat". Why this need to always make everything about you?
You obviously don't understand the difference between giving an example to make a point and constantly making a thread about yourself (case in point: when exercise comes up: swimming. When OP can't lose weight: your thyroid. Food addiction: you couldn't stop eating white pasta.)
You're right. I don't.0
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