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"Misinterpret" or "purposefully distort"?ForestFairy022 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
Nobody here has ever said to just eat junk. They said work it into your calories, eat it in moderation. Many people misinterpret that as them saying hey! Let's live of burgers and pizza!
(I totally live of burgers and pizza but they are my own homemade healthy ones, so please reserve judgement)
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Isn't the ultimate goal to be HEALTHY though? Or am I the only one who thinks like that? I'm all for having the occasional treat but I'm not going to fill up my daily calories with junk. But that's just me.
I think it's really bizarre to assume everyone has the same ultimate goal. Humans are a pretty diverse lot.
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kommodevaran wrote: »It's the other way around. If you are eating only junk, 1200 calories will not be much. Anyone claiming to eat only 1200 calories of only junk and not losing weight, is lying (I mean... "not in accordance with what is correct").
Depends on your definition of junk food, but some would say what I ate when I lost most of my weight was all junk. I was at uni and lived exclusively on microwave meals, pub food and take outs. I counted as accurately as I could (like, I weighed my take away foods, but had to go for a generic 'egg fried rice' option because obviously don't know the exact recipe the take away used) and my rate of loss at 1200 a day coincides with what most calculators recon my TDEE is.0 -
3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Why does it always have to be just one or the other?....I believe in a happy medium and have had much success with it. I am about to compete in a bodybuilding show (masters figure division), so I feel that I may be able to back up what I am saying.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Misinterpret" or "purposefully distort"?ForestFairy022 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
Nobody here has ever said to just eat junk. They said work it into your calories, eat it in moderation. Many people misinterpret that as them saying hey! Let's live of burgers and pizza!
(I totally live of burgers and pizza but they are my own homemade healthy ones, so please reserve judgement)
I'd like to think of it as a lack of reading comprehension. Teeheehee0 -
What if Guy A binges because of the ridiculous restriction he's placed on himself? Apart from that, if Guy B gets enough protein from the fast food and ice cream... they'd look and perform indistinguishably if they both stuck to their respective diets.3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Also, false dichotomy is false.
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From all theDeguelloTex wrote: »
from all the responses to the original post.0 -
3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Guy B because he will have lost weight.
Guy A gave up on his restrictive diet and binged, went waaay over on his calories and actually *gained* weight.
Moderation is key. Incorporating some of the foods you love into your daily 'budget' is the way most people manage to lose weight, stay healthy *and* keep their sanity. It's a balance. 0 -
From all theDeguelloTex wrote: »
from all the responses to the original post.
We all pursue our own version of what we decide "healthy" is and/or what's sustainable for our lifestyle.0 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Guy B because he will have lost weight.
Guy A gave up on his restrictive diet and binged, went waaay over on his calories and actually *gained* weight.
Moderation is key. Incorporating the foods you love into your daily 'budget' is the way most people manage to lose weight and keep their sanity. It's a balance.
There's that "moderation" word again - you see? I wasn't delusional when I said nobody here advocates eating JUST "junk food".0 -
I don't understand why there isn't more emphasis on the QUALITY of the calories people are eating. If you are eating 1,200 calories of JUNK like pizza ice cream and all kinds of processed foods it isn't going to give you the results of eating 1,200 calories of lean protein fruits and veggies and healthy fats. Just kind of agrivates me when I see people complain about not getting the results they want even when they are staying with in their calorie budget but than their food diary is filled with crap food. Thoughts? Do you think quality is just as important if not more so than quantity?
Someone living off pure junk food and not losing weight is more likely a function of them not logging correctly. On a base level, calories are calories. But for your health, there should be more nutritional choices. I mean, if someone looked at my diary, there's a lot of foods that count as 'junk' food. I did make some changes, but I don't cut out stuff I like, just cut down. Thing is, since junk food is usually calorie dense foods with low or no nutritional value, it's a lot less than it's equivalent in veggies or lean meat, so if someone wants to eat more and feel full, they'll need to swap things out. But calorie-wise, it's all the same. Health-wise, it's not, and I don't think anyone would disagree that 120 calories of peas is a lot healthier for you than 120 calories of candy.0 -
Tbh, I eat healthy with a mix of treats in and I still binge sometimes. But that has more to do with me than my eating habits. I've got some mental issues.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
What if Guy A binges because of the ridiculous restriction he's placed on himself?3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Also, false dichotomy is false.
why would GUY A feel the urge to binge ? I lost 170 lbs mostly eating high quality nutrients foods and never binged
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"For most people in the real world, 80-90% from whole-type foods, the rest from treat-types of food."From all theDeguelloTex wrote: »
from all the responses to the original post.
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3stepsahead wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
What if Guy A binges because of the ridiculous restriction he's placed on himself?3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Also, false dichotomy is false.
why would GUY A feel the urge to binge ? I lost 170 lbs mostly eating high quality nutrients foods and never binged
You just said "mostly"...so even YOU don't fall into either category A or B and practiced moderation yourself.0 -
3stepsahead wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
What if Guy A binges because of the ridiculous restriction he's placed on himself?3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Also, false dichotomy is false.
why would GUY A feel the urge to binge ? I lost 170 lbs mostly eating high quality nutrients foods and never binged
Because some people would feel the urge to binge if they never ate any treats. Not everyone of course, but that comment was to point out that a lot of people wouldn't be able to stick to that diet, and therefore most people practice moderation instead of perfect clean eating 100% of the time.0 -
Doesn't matter. It was stupid of me to respond as if the question were an honest one. The real answer is that your hypothetical is unrealistic and no one here recommends anyone gets all his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.3stepsahead wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
What if Guy A binges because of the ridiculous restriction he's placed on himself?3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Also, false dichotomy is false.
why would GUY A feel the urge to binge ? I lost 170 lbs mostly eating high quality nutrients foods and never binged
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3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Were the macros the same? If so, I'd think they'd be about equal.
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3stepsahead wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
What if Guy A binges because of the ridiculous restriction he's placed on himself?3stepsahead wrote: »Let's take two guys of fairly equal size and fitness level. We put both guys on the same training program and allow each man to eat 3,000 calories per day.
Guy A can only get his calories from lean meats and fish; fresh fruits and vegetables; and sweet potatoes and brown rice.
Guy B can only get his calories from candy, ice cream and fast food.
After eight weeks, who do you think is going to look and perform better?
Also, false dichotomy is false.
why would GUY A feel the urge to binge ? I lost 170 lbs mostly eating high quality nutrients foods and never binged
If you're only eating lean meats, fruit and vegetables, and sweet potatoes and rice, your fat may be pretty low. Many people -- myself included -- struggle with cravings and binges if our fat consumption is low.0
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