No one eats carbs alone
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Well.....
To be correct about this...
I am a low carb dieting person for the most part with a watchful eye on CICO
But I do consume pure carbs at times
Before long bike rides I consume GU gel packs or Cliff packets, or Accelerade, which the gel packs are all carbs.
And it may sound contradictory as a LC person, but those carbs are great high octane fuel for long distance rides.
So yes, sometimes a pure carb shot of calories is exactly needed. A 100 calorie shot to start, another one 10 miles in, a second 20 miles in to take me home.
It is just food. Get the food you need to match your activity.
There is no evil food. There are those that may not pick the best fuel source for an activity but even then it is still a calorie your body can burn.
Arguing over food types is a bizarre internet thing.
It would be so nice to have the "block user" feature on this forum like so many others have.0 -
Pro Carb/Anti Carb posts can be about the same as Pro Religion/Anti Religion posts which are banned.
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I think the pro-carb and anti-carb arguments on MPF are a little annoying. It does come down to CICO for sure, no question about it. However, I've seen posts where people say that they can't stop carb cravings and when people suggests trying low carb they get bombarded with the moderation police going nuts on them for every suggesting carbs should be cut in any way! You have a problem with binging on cookies? EAT THE COOKIES (and stay within your calorie goal). Wait, what? That didn't help the OP. Though when the OP has an unhealthy view of carbs and people post to back that up (YEAH, CARBS MAKE PEOPLE FAT!) that also doesn't help the OP. I just take issue with the downright rude way some people are treated on here when they post things about looking for help and low carb being the only way to lose weight. I get it, we're annoyed by it, we see it every darn day...but a MFP newbie who just posted to get some encouragement and information didn't. Let's help the ignorant folk is a way that is kind and fact driven. Not arguing and name calling...which I see...a lot.
The moderation police? Well that's not offensive or anything. And you advocate for a forum without name calling. Irony, party of you.
Anyhoo....maybe it did help the OP. Some believe that if they crave a food the only recourse is elimination and that they are addicted to it. It might be helpful to those in that situation to hear that moderation with practice and attention might be successful. It was helpful to me.
I was a lurker who was helped by an I'm-addicted-to-carbs thread when the "moderation police" showed up to let OP know she didn't have to eliminate anything. I had an ED that included a lot of binge eating, which was hard not to fall back into when I first started thinking I had to eat a certain way. Since learning that everything is okay in moderation? No bingeing.0 -
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Pro Carb/Anti Carb posts can be about the same as Pro Religion/Anti Religion posts which are banned.
This is a weight loss/health/fitness forum Gale. If the posts bother you so much you are welcome to ignore them, but to suggest they be banned is asinine.
When those opinions become insulting it is a clear violation of the terms of use of the forums.
They often get that way.
Some people do become zealots about their own personal favorites. Too bad though. It is much better to cheer each other on to success than argue over my diet is better than yours.
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Lol @shell1005 "secret double agent" that's how I feel sometimes. I basically agree with your first post, low carb works for me to stay at a deficit which helps me lose weight and stabilize my blood glucose levels to stay out of pre diabetic ranges. I've lost weight both restricting carbs and not restricting carbs. It's not necessary for weight loss, caloric deficit is necessary for weight loss. Low carb is just one way of getting there.
I don't get into all the science stuff an studies on supposed benefits of low carb over anything else. I do feel sometimes those discussions though informative to some might not be needed for some new members that just need to understand the basics of it. But everyone takes what they need from these forums and leaves the rest anyway so as long as you don't expect each post to be all kittens and rainbows there's enough info out there to help everyone.0 -
KittensMaster wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Pro Carb/Anti Carb posts can be about the same as Pro Religion/Anti Religion posts which are banned.
This is a weight loss/health/fitness forum Gale. If the posts bother you so much you are welcome to ignore them, but to suggest they be banned is asinine.
When those opinions become insulting it is a clear violation of the terms of use of the forums.
They often get that way.
Some people do become zealots about their own personal favorites. Too bad though. It is much better to cheer each other on to success than argue over my diet is better than yours.
Yes! This! I love this.I think the pro-carb and anti-carb arguments on MPF are a little annoying. It does come down to CICO for sure, no question about it. However, I've seen posts where people say that they can't stop carb cravings and when people suggests trying low carb they get bombarded with the moderation police going nuts on them for every suggesting carbs should be cut in any way! You have a problem with binging on cookies? EAT THE COOKIES (and stay within your calorie goal). Wait, what? That didn't help the OP. Though when the OP has an unhealthy view of carbs and people post to back that up (YEAH, CARBS MAKE PEOPLE FAT!) that also doesn't help the OP. I just take issue with the downright rude way some people are treated on here when they post things about looking for help and low carb being the only way to lose weight. I get it, we're annoyed by it, we see it every darn day...but a MFP newbie who just posted to get some encouragement and information didn't. Let's help the ignorant folk is a way that is kind and fact driven. Not arguing and name calling...which I see...a lot.
The moderation police? Well that's not offensive or anything. And you advocate for a forum without name calling. Irony, party of you.
Anyhoo....maybe it did help the OP. Some believe that if they crave a food the only recourse is elimination and that they are addicted to it. It might be helpful to those in that situation to hear that moderation with practice and attention might be successful. It was helpful to me.
I was a lurker who was helped by an I'm-addicted-to-carbs thread when the "moderation police" showed up to let OP know she didn't have to eliminate anything. I had an ED that included a lot of binge eating, which was hard not to fall back into when I first started thinking I had to eat a certain way. Since learning that everything is okay in moderation? No bingeing.
I'm so happy that these forums helped you!
I think that my "moderation police" comment was misunderstood. Moderation is GREAT. I think some people do it well and I think the people who think carbs are evil should know about the people who benefit from moderation as they may as well. I, however, have an issue with the people who are mean about it and discourage the OP. I think the discussion boards are great for discussing different options for other people, answering questions, and spreading knowledge. But moderation for some people is just not a reality in their current situation and I don't see a lot of kindness or help for those people, just a lot of people pushing their way of eating or trying to tell other people their way is not right.
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I have been sucked into some arguments myself, usually when I am told i am wrong when I know what I am doing is right for me. (It's not the majority at all, just a few people.)
This thread seems right on the money though. Carbs are rarely eaten alone. Carbs are not evil. There is no need to restrict carbs to lose weight but restricting carbs can improve the health of people with some medical conditions, possibly assist in those people's weight loss, or possibly help prevent some health conditions linked to a higher carb intake.... All true.
Also true that moderation for weight loss works for many people if not most.
Live and let live, right? There is no wrong here. Some ways of eating suit some people better than others.
For me, Swedish berries, jube jubes and soda were my problem foods and I gained weight when those were added in, even when I reduced calories elsewhere.... I obviously didn't reduce enough because I gained weight. I was not one for baked goods, noodles, or rice, beyond some cinnamon buns around the holidays. I think for me, sugar was the problem... I never could just eat 6 jube jubes. LCHF is the way to go for me.0 -
KittensMaster wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Pro Carb/Anti Carb posts can be about the same as Pro Religion/Anti Religion posts which are banned.
This is a weight loss/health/fitness forum Gale. If the posts bother you so much you are welcome to ignore them, but to suggest they be banned is asinine.
When those opinions become insulting it is a clear violation of the terms of use of the forums.
They often get that way.
Some people do become zealots about their own personal favorites. Too bad though. It is much better to cheer each other on to success than argue over my diet is better than yours.
I for one see more value in learning and knowledge, than giving blind support for any particular way of eating. Whether it is moderation, IIFYM, low-carb, or keto if the person can't describe why it is they have chosen to do what they do, they may not understand the basics of CICO, and may believe their choice is "better" because of an unsubstantiated reason. How are they expected to gain knowledge and understanding if all they receive is a pat on the back, you're doing great, keep doing what you are doing even if you don't know why you are doing it and how it is affecting your goals. I have yet to see an OP get blasted by either the low-carb or moderation advocates when they properly explain why they are looking into eating a particular way. It seems perfectly reasonable to me to question why an approach, any approach, is being asked about, to clarify that the OP hasn't bought into something being a solution that provides added benefit, or to clarify that there is a medical reason (insulin issues, Celiac's, etc) so that the advice being given is more appropriate. When most people do not need to avoid particular foods, and with the volume of newbs who ask vague questions about a particular diet or claiming to have food addiction problems (among other things), it is reasonable to ensure that the asker understands that, generally speaking, they can successfully reach their goals while not overcomplicating matters. Eating a varied, nutrient dense diet, that contains foods you enjoy, and is within your calorie and macro targets works for all people at a fundamental physical level (barring medical issues). On a mental level, I feel that lots of worries can be resolved through helping the person understand how food/calories/macros actuall work.0 -
I'm neither 'pro-carb' or 'anti-carb', myself. I'm pro-moderation, if anything. low-carb is fine, if it works for a person, but creating fear of a certain macronutrient is something that should never happen. I started this thread out of the hope that it will continue to help people who are reading the forums to learn how to eat properly to lose weight. That's very important, and a big part of why I continue to spend my time in these forums. People seeking knowledge should have access to the right information.0
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Soda? Jube jubes? Sugar in coffee? Just putting that out there...
I agree that one macro does not cause weight gain, but I believe carbs can nudge one along the path to gaining more than the other macros, especially if you have a health issue like IR, heart disease, PCOS, etc.
For the perfectly healthy person, carbs often are not an issue, calorie counting is.
It is pretty rare that people just drink soda alone, or candy alone, or drink coffee with sugar by itself. Even if any of these three is consumed in between meals alone, they aren't the items that are blamed for carb problems per se. Most of the time when I see people buy a soda, they buy a snack with it. Coffee? A pastry or something of that ilk. Jujubees? Usually those get eaten at the movies.... with popcorn. Pure carb treats are rarely consumed alone and when they are, it's between meals, or after meals, and likely that there is still food present in the system to counter balance the effects.0 -
I, too, thought of a song, but mine was George Thorogood's "I Drink Alone." (Yeah, with nobody else.)
Every time I see this title, I start humming and can hear him singing, "You know, when I eat carbs alone...I prefer to be by myself."0 -
There are foods with nearly all their calories from carbs, so eating such an item can be effectively carbs alone.
You wouldn't live long on a carb only diet, as the minimumamount of them compatible with maintaining life is zero whereas protein and some fats are essential to life.
The issue with carbs is the "metabolic bully" effect - eat carbs and you reduce oxidation of fat. Eat fat and you don't affect nutrient partitioning / fuel selection. I want to burn off fat as much as possible, therefore.....
So you burn dietary fat or you burn carbs... in the end, if CI = CO, you maintain weight. Essentially, you have to pick or your body has to pick a more preferred fuel source. For me, i know my preferred fuel source is carbs. My workouts are significantly better and not restricting has lead me to greater success. In fact, I am lower than my high school weight, which didn't happen until I learned moderation. When I was doing things like Paleo (more so, lower carb Paleo), I binged. I could never get belong 193 while doing that. Now that I eat Klondikes daily and get the rest of my food from a variety of nutrient dense sources, I am down to 173. And that is while hitting 200g+ of carb.. most of the time, I aim for 250g
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Pro Carb/Anti Carb posts can be about the same as Pro Religion/Anti Religion posts which are banned.
There are lots of carbs I don't like, and no one has ever tried to force me to eat them.
I've also never seen a post where people committed to low carb are told they shouldn't use that strategy.
The arguments generally start because low carb people try to tell others their way is the best way or that it's healthier (as with the recent "the human being can't deal with 50% carbs" stuff).
I do think telling someone who says "I'm craving sweets, what do I do?" to go low carb without more information or any sign that he or she is interested or has any reason to do that is rather evangelical.
On the other hand, I try to support people who want to try low carb and seem slightly informed about it. However, if someone seems really confused -- like they seem to have heard you HAVE TO do low carb to lose or don't even seem to understand what carbs are -- then I do think they should be given more information. So many people seem to think that "carbs" is just a special name for "bad foods" and that's just silly.0 -
Soda? Jube jubes? Sugar in coffee? Just putting that out there...
I agree that one macro does not cause weight gain, but I believe carbs can nudge one along the path to gaining more than the other macros, especially if you have a health issue like IR, heart disease, PCOS, etc.
For the perfectly healthy person, carbs often are not an issue, calorie counting is.
It is pretty rare that people just drink soda alone, or candy alone, or drink coffee with sugar by itself. Even if any of these three is consumed in between meals alone, they aren't the items that are blamed for carb problems per se. Most of the time when I see people buy a soda, they buy a snack with it. Coffee? A pastry or something of that ilk. Jujubees? Usually those get eaten at the movies.... with popcorn. Pure carb treats are rarely consumed alone and when they are, it's between meals, or after meals, and likely that there is still food present in the system to counter balance the effects.
I don't know if it is rare... I could easily sit with a coke and book for an hour or so. Coffee was just coffee because I didn't buy pastries or other baked goods. Jube jubes was a "treat" I bought myself when grocery shopping. For me, it was fairly common.
I failed at moderation. I just wasn't good at it. Now LCHF is better for me.0 -
I have been sucked into some arguments myself, usually when I am told i am wrong when I know what I am doing is right for me. (It's not the majority at all, just a few people.)
This thread seems right on the money though. Carbs are rarely eaten alone. Carbs are not evil. There is no need to restrict carbs to lose weight but restricting carbs can improve the health of people with some medical conditions, possibly assist in those people's weight loss, or possibly help prevent some health conditions linked to a higher carb intake.... All true.
Also true that moderation for weight loss works for many people if not most.
Live and let live, right? There is no wrong here. Some ways of eating suit some people better than others.
For me, Swedish berries, jube jubes and soda were my problem foods and I gained weight when those were added in, even when I reduced calories elsewhere.... I obviously didn't reduce enough because I gained weight. I was not one for baked goods, noodles, or rice, beyond some cinnamon buns around the holidays. I think for me, sugar was the problem... I never could just eat 6 jube jubes. LCHF is the way to go for me.
A variety of diets (to include high carb diets) can be useful and beneficial towards ones health. My mom has hypoglycemia and she has to maintain a higher carb diet. It is the only way for her to be healthy. Yes, those with IR issues (PCOS) and even low metabolic rates from hypothyroidism can see huge benefits from going with a low carb diet. It's the insinuation that eating low carb = automatic health improvement, that I tend to find annoying. I can't tell you how many times I have seen claims of cancer prevention and more associated with low carb claims. And the thing is, genetics, body composition and overall activity level probably play a much greater impact on ones healthy than the specific diet they follow.
Personally, the diet that you follow (not specifically you, but the greater you) that will allow you to maintain or achieve a healthy weight is more important than anything else.0 -
I have been sucked into some arguments myself, usually when I am told i am wrong when I know what I am doing is right for me. (It's not the majority at all, just a few people.)
This thread seems right on the money though. Carbs are rarely eaten alone. Carbs are not evil. There is no need to restrict carbs to lose weight but restricting carbs can improve the health of people with some medical conditions, possibly assist in those people's weight loss, or possibly help prevent some health conditions linked to a higher carb intake.... All true.
Also true that moderation for weight loss works for many people if not most.
Live and let live, right? There is no wrong here. Some ways of eating suit some people better than others.
For me, Swedish berries, jube jubes and soda were my problem foods and I gained weight when those were added in, even when I reduced calories elsewhere.... I obviously didn't reduce enough because I gained weight. I was not one for baked goods, noodles, or rice, beyond some cinnamon buns around the holidays. I think for me, sugar was the problem... I never could just eat 6 jube jubes. LCHF is the way to go for me.
A variety of diets (to include high carb diets) can be useful and beneficial towards ones health. My mom has hypoglycemia and she has to maintain a higher carb diet. It is the only way for her to be healthy. Yes, those with IR issues (PCOS) and even low metabolic rates from hypothyroidism can see huge benefits from going with a low carb diet. It's the insinuation that eating low carb = automatic health improvement, that I tend to find annoying. I can't tell you how many times I have seen claims of cancer prevention and more associated with low carb claims. And the thing is, genetics, body composition and overall activity level probably play a much greater impact on ones healthy than the specific diet they follow.
Personally, the diet that you follow (not specifically you, but the greater you) that will allow you to maintain or achieve a healthy weight is more important than anything else.
I feel the same way when (a few) people say moderation is the only way to lose weight well because eating low carb will lead to binges, lack of energy, or even constipation. LOL When someone asks for a tip on eating low carb while losing weight, there are always a few comments about it not being maintainable or comments along the lines of "Why? I lost 120 lbs eating 250+g of carbs per day. Ice cream!" It can be annoying.0 -
I have been sucked into some arguments myself, usually when I am told i am wrong when I know what I am doing is right for me. (It's not the majority at all, just a few people.)
This thread seems right on the money though. Carbs are rarely eaten alone. Carbs are not evil. There is no need to restrict carbs to lose weight but restricting carbs can improve the health of people with some medical conditions, possibly assist in those people's weight loss, or possibly help prevent some health conditions linked to a higher carb intake.... All true.
Also true that moderation for weight loss works for many people if not most.
Live and let live, right? There is no wrong here. Some ways of eating suit some people better than others.
For me, Swedish berries, jube jubes and soda were my problem foods and I gained weight when those were added in, even when I reduced calories elsewhere.... I obviously didn't reduce enough because I gained weight. I was not one for baked goods, noodles, or rice, beyond some cinnamon buns around the holidays. I think for me, sugar was the problem... I never could just eat 6 jube jubes. LCHF is the way to go for me.
A variety of diets (to include high carb diets) can be useful and beneficial towards ones health. My mom has hypoglycemia and she has to maintain a higher carb diet. It is the only way for her to be healthy. Yes, those with IR issues (PCOS) and even low metabolic rates from hypothyroidism can see huge benefits from going with a low carb diet. It's the insinuation that eating low carb = automatic health improvement, that I tend to find annoying. I can't tell you how many times I have seen claims of cancer prevention and more associated with low carb claims. And the thing is, genetics, body composition and overall activity level probably play a much greater impact on ones healthy than the specific diet they follow.
Personally, the diet that you follow (not specifically you, but the greater you) that will allow you to maintain or achieve a healthy weight is more important than anything else.
I feel the same way when (a few) people say moderation is the only way to lose weight well because eating low carb will lead to binges, lack of energy, or even constipation. LOL When someone asks for a tip on eating low carb while losing weight, there are always a few comments about it not being maintainable or comments along the lines of "Why? I lost 120 lbs eating 250+g of carbs per day. Ice cream!" It can be annoying.
I think it's wrong to tell people that one way is specifically wrong. Calorie deficit is the right way, and moderation and low carb are two possible ways of doing that. What I usually tell people will be difficult (not impossible) is avoidance or restriction. To completely cut a food out of a person's diet can sometimes lead to binging. That's not to say it will always happen, just that it can happen.0 -
I came into this thread hoping to get support for the times I binge eat Cinnamon Toast Crunch in the kitchen when no one is looking.
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I have been sucked into some arguments myself, usually when I am told i am wrong when I know what I am doing is right for me. (It's not the majority at all, just a few people.)
This thread seems right on the money though. Carbs are rarely eaten alone. Carbs are not evil. There is no need to restrict carbs to lose weight but restricting carbs can improve the health of people with some medical conditions, possibly assist in those people's weight loss, or possibly help prevent some health conditions linked to a higher carb intake.... All true.
Also true that moderation for weight loss works for many people if not most.
Live and let live, right? There is no wrong here. Some ways of eating suit some people better than others.
For me, Swedish berries, jube jubes and soda were my problem foods and I gained weight when those were added in, even when I reduced calories elsewhere.... I obviously didn't reduce enough because I gained weight. I was not one for baked goods, noodles, or rice, beyond some cinnamon buns around the holidays. I think for me, sugar was the problem... I never could just eat 6 jube jubes. LCHF is the way to go for me.
A variety of diets (to include high carb diets) can be useful and beneficial towards ones health. My mom has hypoglycemia and she has to maintain a higher carb diet. It is the only way for her to be healthy. Yes, those with IR issues (PCOS) and even low metabolic rates from hypothyroidism can see huge benefits from going with a low carb diet. It's the insinuation that eating low carb = automatic health improvement, that I tend to find annoying. I can't tell you how many times I have seen claims of cancer prevention and more associated with low carb claims. And the thing is, genetics, body composition and overall activity level probably play a much greater impact on ones healthy than the specific diet they follow.
Personally, the diet that you follow (not specifically you, but the greater you) that will allow you to maintain or achieve a healthy weight is more important than anything else.
I feel the same way when (a few) people say moderation is the only way to lose weight well because eating low carb will lead to binges, lack of energy, or even constipation. LOL When someone asks for a tip on eating low carb while losing weight, there are always a few comments about it not being maintainable or comments along the lines of "Why? I lost 120 lbs eating 250+g of carbs per day. Ice cream!" It can be annoying.
I think it's wrong to tell people that one way is specifically wrong. Calorie deficit is the right way, and moderation and low carb are two possible ways of doing that. What I usually tell people will be difficult (not impossible) is avoidance or restriction. To completely cut a food out of a person's diet can sometimes lead to binging. That's not to say it will always happen, just that it can happen.
I agree the bolded can happen, but for the people this diet benefits most (those with IR) eating sugars and carbs in moderation can lead to binges too. Restricting foods and eating foods in moderation can both lead to binges.0 -
Hhhhmmmmm...where did I say that. I never said that low carbing is not sustainable, you all are the ones who say that because we have little bit ice cream we will end up with cancer, etc, many of times I have heard this or just yesterday, on a thread that got poofed, saying that if you eat to many carbs you will gain weight.I have been sucked into some arguments myself, usually when I am told i am wrong when I know what I am doing is right for me. (It's not the majority at all, just a few people.)
This thread seems right on the money though. Carbs are rarely eaten alone. Carbs are not evil. There is no need to restrict carbs to lose weight but restricting carbs can improve the health of people with some medical conditions, possibly assist in those people's weight loss, or possibly help prevent some health conditions linked to a higher carb intake.... All true.
Also true that moderation for weight loss works for many people if not most.
Live and let live, right? There is no wrong here. Some ways of eating suit some people better than others.
For me, Swedish berries, jube jubes and soda were my problem foods and I gained weight when those were added in, even when I reduced calories elsewhere.... I obviously didn't reduce enough because I gained weight. I was not one for baked goods, noodles, or rice, beyond some cinnamon buns around the holidays. I think for me, sugar was the problem... I never could just eat 6 jube jubes. LCHF is the way to go for me.
A variety of diets (to include high carb diets) can be useful and beneficial towards ones health. My mom has hypoglycemia and she has to maintain a higher carb diet. It is the only way for her to be healthy. Yes, those with IR issues (PCOS) and even low metabolic rates from hypothyroidism can see huge benefits from going with a low carb diet. It's the insinuation that eating low carb = automatic health improvement, that I tend to find annoying. I can't tell you how many times I have seen claims of cancer prevention and more associated with low carb claims. And the thing is, genetics, body composition and overall activity level probably play a much greater impact on ones healthy than the specific diet they follow.
Personally, the diet that you follow (not specifically you, but the greater you) that will allow you to maintain or achieve a healthy weight is more important than anything else.
I feel the same way when (a few) people say moderation is the only way to lose weight well because eating low carb will lead to binges, lack of energy, or even constipation. LOL When someone asks for a tip on eating low carb while losing weight, there are always a few comments about it not being maintainable or comments along the lines of "Why? I lost 120 lbs eating 250+g of carbs per day. Ice cream!" It can be annoying.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Pro Carb/Anti Carb posts can be about the same as Pro Religion/Anti Religion posts which are banned.
This is a weight loss/health/fitness forum Gale. If the posts bother you so much you are welcome to ignore them, but to suggest they be banned is asinine.
I make no suggest that they be banned but that they are about as valid as religious debates.
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I agree the bolded can happen, but for the people this diet benefits most (those with IR) eating sugars and carbs in moderation can lead to binges too. Restricting foods and eating foods in moderation can both lead to binges.
It is not the foods that lead to binges, it is self control (or lack thereof) that lead to binges. Everyone has foods that they have problems with and it varies from person to person. I cannot have nuts around the house. I buy large bags but keep them in the car and bring in one serving at a time when I want to eat some so I am less tempted to binge. I also have a problem with peanut butter.
We all know our trigger foods and avoidance or portion control is the only way to deal with them. Saying that carbs cause binges is wrong. We need to start taking responsibility for our own actions and stop blaming other things.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Pro Carb/Anti Carb posts can be about the same as Pro Religion/Anti Religion posts which are banned.
This is a weight loss/health/fitness forum Gale. If the posts bother you so much you are welcome to ignore them, but to suggest they be banned is asinine.
I make no suggest that they be banned but that they are about as valid as religious debates.
Hm.... religious debates are about beliefs. Carb debates are about a food. The food exists - it's a scientific fact - and the debates are about things which can be scientifically validated. Your comment makes no sense. Smiley face does not make it so.0 -
Hhhhmmmmm...where did I say that. I never said that low carbing is not sustainable, you all are the ones who say that because we have little bit ice cream we will end up with cancer, etc, many of times I have heard this or just yesterday, on a thread that got poofed, saying that if you eat to many carbs you will gain weight.I have been sucked into some arguments myself, usually when I am told i am wrong when I know what I am doing is right for me. (It's not the majority at all, just a few people.)
This thread seems right on the money though. Carbs are rarely eaten alone. Carbs are not evil. There is no need to restrict carbs to lose weight but restricting carbs can improve the health of people with some medical conditions, possibly assist in those people's weight loss, or possibly help prevent some health conditions linked to a higher carb intake.... All true.
Also true that moderation for weight loss works for many people if not most.
Live and let live, right? There is no wrong here. Some ways of eating suit some people better than others.
For me, Swedish berries, jube jubes and soda were my problem foods and I gained weight when those were added in, even when I reduced calories elsewhere.... I obviously didn't reduce enough because I gained weight. I was not one for baked goods, noodles, or rice, beyond some cinnamon buns around the holidays. I think for me, sugar was the problem... I never could just eat 6 jube jubes. LCHF is the way to go for me.
A variety of diets (to include high carb diets) can be useful and beneficial towards ones health. My mom has hypoglycemia and she has to maintain a higher carb diet. It is the only way for her to be healthy. Yes, those with IR issues (PCOS) and even low metabolic rates from hypothyroidism can see huge benefits from going with a low carb diet. It's the insinuation that eating low carb = automatic health improvement, that I tend to find annoying. I can't tell you how many times I have seen claims of cancer prevention and more associated with low carb claims. And the thing is, genetics, body composition and overall activity level probably play a much greater impact on ones healthy than the specific diet they follow.
Personally, the diet that you follow (not specifically you, but the greater you) that will allow you to maintain or achieve a healthy weight is more important than anything else.
I feel the same way when (a few) people say moderation is the only way to lose weight well because eating low carb will lead to binges, lack of energy, or even constipation. LOL When someone asks for a tip on eating low carb while losing weight, there are always a few comments about it not being maintainable or comments along the lines of "Why? I lost 120 lbs eating 250+g of carbs per day. Ice cream!" It can be annoying.
I wasn't naming names. Were those your numbers? I guess I've seen it a few times so it popped into my head.
I never said that you stated low carbing was not sustainable. I said: When someone asks for a tip on eating low carb while losing weight, there are always a few comments about it not being maintainable or comments along the lines of "Why? I lost 120 lbs eating 250+g of carbs per day. Ice cream!" It can be annoying.
I don't believe I've seen someone write that "because we have little bit ice cream we will end up with cancer, etc,". I do believe that eating lots of added sugars can lead to health problems in some people, and I have seen that some cancers are linked to high sugar diets (but at the same time there are a few cancers that become more aggressive when carbs are restricted).
I know this won't be popular, but it is just my opinion, but I think of high added sugar diets almost like smoking. I think it is something like 1 in 10 (or more) smokers will get lung cancer. My perception is that more than 10% of people eating a diet high in added sugars will end up with a serious health problem like IR or heart disease. It may not happen now, or in 10 years, but it may in the future.
Please note that for the above I was referring to a diet high in added sugars and not just a high carb diet based on veggies and fruit. i believe veggies and fruits are a great part of a diet, and I would be eating more of them (especially veggies - I feel like I could live on snap peas and hummus) if I was not developing IR. Plus, it is just my opinion.0
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