I called oatmeal cookies unhealthy and I got blasted - why?
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When I bake cookies, I halve the recipe and that keeps the number I eat completely under control. Of course, there are five kids and my husband in the house, so it's easy to divvy them up, send a few with my husband to take to work and only leave one or two for myself.
Otherwise, i would totally binge.0 -
Did you know that Talento Caramel Apple Pie gelato is heart attack in a bowl? Be careful
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Yea! Who said that?lemurcat12 wrote: »They are like that in here. They think as long as u don't go over ur calorie limit, u can stuff ur face with all sorts of junkfood and never suffer any consequences ,even tho millions of people die everyday from heart attack or type 2 diabetes
Who has said this? Please cite and quote, or it will seem you are just making things up to insult people.
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MFP has a... thing about this. I have never seen a diet and fitness site like this before. People get criticized for avoiding excess sugar, junk food, highly processed items, etc. I may very occasionally permit myself such an item, but I'm not going to pretend it's *healthy* AKA high in nutrients, because it isn't! Folks will equate the "processing" of placing fruit or vegetables in a bag with the processing of mashing things to a pulp, adding a ton of preservatives, artificial flavors and salt, and frying it. To avoid criticism, the only thing to do is to eat healthy for your own sake but never mention it anywhere but on your own home page. *smh*
Just to this post but I agree. It's a bit overdone. I mean I get it CICO CICO CICO however it is normal and healthy to look at what we are consuming and consider things like our arteries when making choices. I noticed it a lot from one poster in particular and then saw later that his caloric intake is supposed to be 4000/day so...um...people have different outlooks, experiences, and goals.
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I wasn't trying to insult anyone as I have been insulted in the past. I cannot show u proof as these posts have long gone now. She asked a question and asked why so I told her why. If u want to take it personally, that is ur choice. Lighten up.0
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Right, everybody knows this, but it's worth it!queenliz99 wrote: »Did you know that Talento Caramel Apple Pie gelato is heart attack in a bowl? Be careful
It's best to serve them with an angioplasty balloon catheter ...
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I wasn't trying to insult anyone as I have been insulted in the past. I cannot show u proof as these posts have long gone now. She asked a question and asked why so I told her why. If u want to take it personally, that is ur choice. Lighten up.
You were exaggerating and your post indicated that people who are currently here and not long gone say these things. If you're going to stimulate outrage, at least have the balls to stand up for your wild assertions.0 -
Pinnacle_IAO wrote: »
Right, everybody knows this, but it's worth it!queenliz99 wrote: »Did you know that Talento Caramel Apple Pie gelato is heart attack in a bowl? Be careful
It's best to serve them with an angioplasty balloon catheter ...
That never occurred to me. Nice!! Or an AED might come in handy,IDK.
Out the door to get me some ice cream.0 -
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emiliebecause wrote: »MFP has a... thing about this. I have never seen a diet and fitness site like this before. People get criticized for avoiding excess sugar, junk food, highly processed items, etc. I may very occasionally permit myself such an item, but I'm not going to pretend it's *healthy* AKA high in nutrients, because it isn't! Folks will equate the "processing" of placing fruit or vegetables in a bag with the processing of mashing things to a pulp, adding a ton of preservatives, artificial flavors and salt, and frying it. To avoid criticism, the only thing to do is to eat healthy for your own sake but never mention it anywhere but on your own home page. *smh*
Just to this post but I agree. It's a bit overdone. I mean I get it CICO CICO CICO however it is normal and healthy to look at what we are consuming and consider things like our arteries when making choices. I noticed it a lot from one poster in particular and then saw later that his caloric intake is supposed to be 4000/day so...um...people have different outlooks, experiences, and goals.
I consider nutrition and health when making choices. I don't see how the general position at MFP is against doing that at all. That people don't think all foods with butter are evil and should be avoided doesn't mean they think food choice doesn't matter, you know.0 -
I wasn't trying to insult anyone as I have been insulted in the past. I cannot show u proof as these posts have long gone now. She asked a question and asked why so I told her why. If u want to take it personally, that is ur choice. Lighten up.
You told her something that was untrue.0 -
Did I say I agree or disagree with anything to do with healthy or unhealthy foods? No, so dont make assumptions. All I did was answer a simple question and now I'm the one who is getting blasted here. For some, ganging up on one person is considered as fun. My post wasnt for you judge and jury - it was for Charon the OP.0
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I can't say it is a general position but it is one that comes across in the way some of the more prolific posters express themselves on the topic. For example, abruptly stating "CICO" without much context, to a newer poster who uses the word 'unhealthy' to describe food is going to come across as if nutrition doesn't matter. It's not a huge leap to make.lemurcat12 wrote: »emiliebecause wrote: »MFP has a... thing about this. I have never seen a diet and fitness site like this before. People get criticized for avoiding excess sugar, junk food, highly processed items, etc. I may very occasionally permit myself such an item, but I'm not going to pretend it's *healthy* AKA high in nutrients, because it isn't! Folks will equate the "processing" of placing fruit or vegetables in a bag with the processing of mashing things to a pulp, adding a ton of preservatives, artificial flavors and salt, and frying it. To avoid criticism, the only thing to do is to eat healthy for your own sake but never mention it anywhere but on your own home page. *smh*
Just to this post but I agree. It's a bit overdone. I mean I get it CICO CICO CICO however it is normal and healthy to look at what we are consuming and consider things like our arteries when making choices. I noticed it a lot from one poster in particular and then saw later that his caloric intake is supposed to be 4000/day so...um...people have different outlooks, experiences, and goals.
I consider nutrition and health when making choices. I don't see how the general position at MFP is against doing that at all. That people don't think all foods with butter are evil and should be avoided doesn't mean they think food choice doesn't matter, you know.
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Did I say I agree or disagree with anything to do with healthy or unhealthy foods? No, so dont make assumptions. All I did was answer a simple question and now I'm the one who is getting blasted here. For some, ganging up on one person is considered as fun. My post wasnt for you judge and jury - it was for Charon the OP.
So you attributing fake statements to people is none of their business?0 -
They aren't exactly healthy but it isn't going to make you fat or put stress on your system by enjoying in moderation. In fact, Sometimes eating something that gives you pleasure is actually good for you because it relieves stresses. Moderation is the key.
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emiliebecause wrote: »
I can't say it is a general position but it is one that comes across in the way some of the more prolific posters express themselves on the topic. For example, abruptly stating "CICO" without much context, to a newer poster who uses the word 'unhealthy' to describe food is going to come across as if nutrition doesn't matter. It's not a huge leap to make.lemurcat12 wrote: »emiliebecause wrote: »MFP has a... thing about this. I have never seen a diet and fitness site like this before. People get criticized for avoiding excess sugar, junk food, highly processed items, etc. I may very occasionally permit myself such an item, but I'm not going to pretend it's *healthy* AKA high in nutrients, because it isn't! Folks will equate the "processing" of placing fruit or vegetables in a bag with the processing of mashing things to a pulp, adding a ton of preservatives, artificial flavors and salt, and frying it. To avoid criticism, the only thing to do is to eat healthy for your own sake but never mention it anywhere but on your own home page. *smh*
Just to this post but I agree. It's a bit overdone. I mean I get it CICO CICO CICO however it is normal and healthy to look at what we are consuming and consider things like our arteries when making choices. I noticed it a lot from one poster in particular and then saw later that his caloric intake is supposed to be 4000/day so...um...people have different outlooks, experiences, and goals.
I consider nutrition and health when making choices. I don't see how the general position at MFP is against doing that at all. That people don't think all foods with butter are evil and should be avoided doesn't mean they think food choice doesn't matter, you know.
She does have a point. Just visit any of the sugar, junk food or clean eating threads..
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I try not to categorize specific foods as strictly healthy/unhealthy. The healthfulness of a particular food depends upon the person eating it. For example, a huge 1000 calorie milkshake would be incredibly unhealthy to a morbidly obese person. On the other hand, it would be healthy for an anorexic person. It's all about the big picture and your diet as a whole.0
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CharonCharon wrote: »I stated they had butter, white sugar, flour, chocolate chips, ect.
I consider all these things unhealthy.
But a couple of people say everything is healthy.
Is my wording wrong?
What would be unhealthy to those people in a cookie?
BTW - I like to eat in volumes.
I have never been able to do portion control in my entire life.
Oatmeal is a food I can eat and be full and be happy without guilt.
People here are trying to understand each other.
Maybe next time say "low calorie."
Here is a low calorie recipe for Baked Oatmeal.
http://www.jillianskitchen.com/2011/11/14/baked-oatmeal/
Something like this is what I would recommend. It's basically granola. You could sub the sugar for artificial sweetener or whatever sweetening agent you deem healthy, and drop the moistened oats by the tablespoonful onto a cookie sheet and dry out your cookies into granola cookies in a low oven.
I would search for granola recipes rather than oatmeal cookie recipes.
Oats aren't low calorie, though. You can't binge on oats or granola. You might save some calories on a granola cookie vs a traditional oatmeal cookie, but it depends on how you prepare your recipe of course. And you can decide whether the trade off is worth it. Saving 50 calories for something that may not even be tasty to you might not be a good trade off, and sometimes you might find that tastiness in a smaller portion does win out over volume. One buttery oatmeal cookie might just be more worth the calorie cost than are the calorie cost of 3 'so-so' granola cookies. And weighing the costs isn't absolute, which one wins out can change by the day. No need to get married to the idea of only eating only one way vs. another.
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OP, you were not bullied by people telling you how butter is the healthiest ingredient in the world to eat in volume. You were wondering why all cookies are unhealthy, meaning you cannot eat them in volume. You were told that cookies are not a high volume food. One or two cookies: reasonable treat, and nothing nto healthy about it. You say you do not do portion control. Then the answer is simple: cookies are not a snack you can enjoy. It is a healthy snack for me, who can have one with my morning coffee. I am not diabetic, so the sugar of one cookie will not affect me and I actually use olive oil, which is a healthy choice by any dr's standards. And the calories in my one cookie will not make me fat. It is not a snack for you, if you mean you will eat until you are full. You are blaming the poor cookies for being cookies. You want the taste of a cookie, and the calories of spinach. It is not the cookies fault, it is your expectation that is unreasonable. If you want high volume snacks with low calories, look into vegetables, not cookies and save the cookie for after a meal, when you are already full and will be happy with one or two.0
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I like oatmeal cookies. I make them "healthier" (or whatever) by using brown sugar instead of refines white. Also - I prefer the taste! But at the end of the day.... a cookie is a cookie and if it tastes good and you can eat it - eat it!!!0
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ps - i absolutely LOVE your profile pic - it's the only reason I commented. Made the crazy cat lady in me go all squealy and mushy.0
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camilacreme wrote: »I like oatmeal cookies. I make them "healthier" (or whatever) by using brown sugar instead of refines white. Also - I prefer the taste! But at the end of the day.... a cookie is a cookie and if it tastes good and you can eat it - eat it!!!
In the interest of sharing information: Brown sugar is white sugar with some molasses added. The amount of "refining" or "processing" is the same in both. The actual amount of molasses in brown sugar is so tiny that it doesn't make the nutritional content of white sugar any different than brown sugar.
I use brown sugar in my oatmeal cookies because they taste better that way.
Dark brown sugar in my salted butterscotch sauce. For the win. Sauce was great, but I need a better icing recipe.
And Op, I agree. If you can't control yourself around them, oatmeal cookies may be unhealthy for you. You should try working on willpower if you would like to incorporate them in your overall diet. If you don't want them, cut them out if you plan on never eating them again. But don't start a post telling everyone they are unhealthy.0 -
Because people on this site are in denial and for them everything is healthy in moderation, fuel is just fuel, etc, etc.
Which I think is utter BS, personally. When I have to make a decision and consider if that serving of ice cream or that cookie is worth being hungry later, that should be a pretty good sign that it's not a 'healthy' choice.
I'm all for everything in moderation. I still eat cookies and chocolates and ice cream (heck, look at my diary). I don't feel guilty about it (well, except when I eat too much of either). I'm just not going to pretend that it's the best choice I could have made. Just because it fits my calories/macros doesn't mean I couldn't have eaten something more nutritious instead.
And for what it's worth, for me oatmeal cookies are an abomination, especially when they come with raisins.
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Can I just make the point again that OP's original post was looking for an oatmeal cookie recipe that she could binge on, because she doesn't "do portion control" and was whining that she couldn't find an oatmeal cookie recipe that would let her eat a whole batch because they're unhealthy?
The 'moderation' responses were that oatmeal cookies weren't unhealthy in moderation, but that looking for a magic bingeable recipe for cookies so you could eat the whole damn lot, was not reasonable, logical or sustainable.0 -
KittensMaster wrote: »MFP has a... thing about this. I have never seen a diet and fitness site like this before. People get criticized for avoiding excess sugar, junk food, highly processed items, etc. I may very occasionally permit myself such an item, but I'm not going to pretend it's *healthy* AKA high in nutrients, because it isn't! Folks will equate the "processing" of placing fruit or vegetables in a bag with the processing of mashing things to a pulp, adding a ton of preservatives, artificial flavors and salt, and frying it. To avoid criticism, the only thing to do is to eat healthy for your own sake but never mention it anywhere but on your own home page. *smh*
Exactly how I see many on MFP
Just learn to ignore them.
The conversations defending eating those junk foods just don't happen at the gym.
You should come to my running club track sessions - we're all amazing home bakers and sometimes we bring cookies and cake for after training. The junior track coach gave me an amazing recipe for strawberry crumble the other day.
In my opinion, 'high in nutrients' is important for health if you're restricting calories, because if you're not eating much you have to make what you do eat count. If you're very active (like some people at the gym, perhaps), you're probably eating a lot more food and some of it can easily be cookies, as you're still getting all the other nutrients you need elsewhere in your diet.0
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