2390 to lose 2lbs/week seems WAY too high...imo
AspenDan
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So 2390 is what mfp set for me, but I've decided to keep it around 1200. Yesterday I was right on track, about to have another 300 to round out my 1200 cal day and BAM, friends, booze, and pizza showed up at my door... I dont regret it, but looking back (I dont know how I manage to drink and log, but I somehow do) it says that I STILL could have eaten 400+ more and lost 2lbs per week at that rate...Do you guys really feel MFP is accurate here?? 
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I eat what MFP tells me and I am losing the expected 1lb per week I set as my realistic and sustainable goal. I eat a portion of my exercise calories too. Because science.
You undereat for a make, let alone a male your size even with losing weight, you've been told this numerous times but you'll still ignore it because you know better.0 -
1200 is VERY low for a male, especially one of your size. 1500 is the minimum for a male, period. It's not sustainable and it's not healthy. If you think 2400 calories is too high, why don't you aim for 2000 instead? Test that out, for 3-4 weeks and see what your average weight loss is. It's a numbers game and you have to find the # that works for you and isn't hard...
I do believe though that MFP knows more about this than you do.0 -
Just doing what two professionals told me is fine for me..if you doubt that's ok too..but 2400 cals to lose two pounds just seems insane to me.0
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My daily goal is 1700 cals to lose 1.5lbs a week.. I always feel as though it's too high, also 4 days a week I can burn an extra 5 or 600 cals, so then I get to eat 2300 calories or something.. it does seem crazy.0
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What you've said is, your doctors have told you to keep doing what you're doing. You have never clarified whether you have disclosed to them that what you are doing is undereating for extended and therefore dangerous periods of time.
I bring this up because I don't want other people to come here, read this and think that 1200 calories per day for a male of any size is a good idea.0 -
Yes, MFP is accurate here. It's math. It's simple math. If you want to choose not to follow it, that's your call.
When I started, I think MFP recommended something like 2450 for me to lose 2 pounds a week. I ate that, reducing it as the recommendations changed as I lost weight. I didn't eat back exercise calories.
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Just curious - what professionals? Were these nutritionists, dietitians, or general health care providers.
1200 is extremely low - too low for a 27 year old male. You need to protect your existing muscle mass, so ensure you eat enough protein as you lose. Keep some lean meat on hand or other good sources of protein around.
I drink a log - just becomes a habit: log beer into Untappd, log beer into MFP, drink, repeat...0 -
I'm a professional... 1200 is not OK unless you are being actively supervised and guided by a weight specialist (aka physician or dietitian). Eat more food.0
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danieltsmoke wrote: »Just doing what two professionals told me is fine for me..if you doubt that's ok too..but 2400 cals to lose two pounds just seems insane to me.
Um, you asked our opinion. Some of us gave you one. It just happened to be not yours.
If 2400 to lose 2lbs a week seems insane, imagine what you were eating to get the point of having to lose the weight. That's what's always boggled my mind. I lost 50lbs using the CICO philosophy years ago, eating 1500 calories to lose. It's hard for me to fathom I was eating that much more while I was heavy. MFP works if you listen to it.
My advice is to try what it says for a month...what do you have to lose? A month? Big deal.
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You have a very high TDEE, so yeah, you can get away with eating quite a bit to lose weight. I'm assuming that you ate way more than that before deciding to lose weight...
I have to comment on your entries though, 'chicken breast, baked and seasoned' doesn't seem accurate at all. Use USDA entries or make your own for homemade stuff.0 -
Why, exactly?danieltsmoke wrote: »Just doing what two professionals told me is fine for me..if you doubt that's ok too..but 2400 cals to lose two pounds just seems insane to me.0 -
kristen6350 wrote: »danieltsmoke wrote: »Just doing what two professionals told me is fine for me..if you doubt that's ok too..but 2400 cals to lose two pounds just seems insane to me.
Um, you asked our opinion. Some of us gave you one. It just happened to be not yours.
If 2400 to lose 2lbs a week seems insane, imagine what you were eating to get the point of having to lose the weight. That's what's always boggled my mind. I lost 50lbs using the CICO philosophy years ago, eating 1500 calories to lose. It's hard for me to fathom I was eating that much more while I was heavy. MFP works if you listen to it.
My advice is to try what it says for a month...what do you have to lose? A month? Big deal.
This.0 -
girlviernes wrote: »I'm a professional... 1200 is not OK unless you are being actively supervised and guided by a weight specialist (aka physician or dietitian). Eat more food.
And it is obvious from the diary you posted that you aren't following a medically directed VLCD (very low calorie diet).
Seriously, follow MFPs guidelines, track your weight for one month, then look at the last 2 weeks of the month to get a sense of your rate of loss. At that point if you aren't losing the 2 lbs/week you can make adjustments.
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healthygreek wrote: »OP simply strikes me as another attention seeking eating way too little know it all on MFP.
I truly hope not too many people try to emulate him.
Lol how is this attention? Words typed in to this fairly obscure forum hardly seem like attention. If I could start a conversation without a name being attached I would, but I'm certainly not going to make multiple accounts..(is anonymous posting a thing, btw?)
But I am trying to get a conversation going, I know a lot of people here are MFP die hards, but I like to play devils advocate as its important for a healthy debate.
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A conversation about what? A debate about what?danieltsmoke wrote: »healthygreek wrote: »OP simply strikes me as another attention seeking eating way too little know it all on MFP.
I truly hope not too many people try to emulate him.
Lol how is this attention? Words typed in to this fairly obscure forum hardly seem like attention. If I could start a conversation without a name being attached I would, but I'm certainly not going to make multiple accounts..(is anonymous posting a thing, btw?)
But I am trying to get a conversation going, I know a lot of people here are MFP die hards, but I like to play devils advocate as its important for a healthy debate.0 -
danieltsmoke wrote: »healthygreek wrote: »OP simply strikes me as another attention seeking eating way too little know it all on MFP.
I truly hope not too many people try to emulate him.
Lol how is this attention? Words typed in to this fairly obscure forum hardly seem like attention. If I could start a conversation without a name being attached I would, but I'm certainly not going to make multiple accounts..(is anonymous posting a thing, btw?)
But I am trying to get a conversation going, I know a lot of people here are MFP die hards, but I like to play devils advocate as its important for a healthy debate.
It's noteworthy how you avoided answering what types of "professionals" told you to do what you're doing and if they are fully aware of your plan. Self placement on a VLCD plan is dangerous and promoting such behavior is a violation of MFP guidelines.0 -
danieltsmoke wrote: »But I am trying to get a conversation going, I know a lot of people here are MFP die hards, but I like to play devils advocate as its important for a healthy debate.
What do you want us to debate? MFP has set you healthy weight loss goals based on your stats, but you choose not to follow it.0 -
danieltsmoke wrote: »Just doing what two professionals told me is fine for me..if you doubt that's ok too..but 2400 cals to lose two pounds just seems insane to me.
It seems insane because you are making things up and have no clue what you are talking about. A tiny bit of research, science, and math would tell you that 2400 calories is probably right.
I'm 5'11" and was 220lb and was losing 2lb/week at ~1800 calories.
1200 calories is what is insane...0 -
It is Friday and OP has people taking d-e-b-a-i-t.0
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The question is could really eat everything I ate last night +400cals,and still lose 2lbs a week?? Seems a bit much0
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Daniel, it's just math. It's nothing personal.
MFP estimates based on the information you've given it that your average TDEE is 3390. This is just a guess; it could be wrong. Since you have a higher than average BF%, this number may be a little inflated. So let's say your actual factual average TDEE is 3100. Science and math tells us that were you to eat on average 2100 every day, you would have something around a 7000 per week calorie deficit.
All it really means is if you consume less than 3100 on average every single day, you will lose weight (until your TDEE drops below 3100 due to weight loss...). You keep complaining about not being able to fit in mashed potatoes or what-not into your diet because you're sticking to 1200 calories. True, as an obese person you might not suffer long term effects from eating 2000 calories below your TDEE. I PERSONALLY find that high of a deficit counterproductive as it leads to decreased performance, binges, bad mood, and cutting out the foods I love.
It is YOUR CHOICE to eat 1200. If you were my husband, brother or someone I loved, I PERSONALLY would urge you to shoot for more like 1800 (if you didn't have immediate medical emergency reasons to drop weight fast), since in my experience this would make my loved one a more pleasant individual to spend time with and help them establish the eating habits they'd need to sustain the weight loss long term.0 -
danieltsmoke wrote: »The question is could really eat everything I ate last night +400cals,and still lose 2lbs a week?? Seems a bit much
If the information you gave MFP when you set up your profile is correct and you are accurate in terms of tracking your food then yes, you should be able to lose weight at the goals set by MFP.0 -
Well, I maintain on 3600 so 2390 would be 1200 calorie deficit a day for me so 8400 calorie deficit a week which is over 2lbs so no, it doesn't seem insane to me at all.
The goal is too lose the weight while eating as much as possible. It'll make maintenance a lot easier. For a male your size eating 1200 calories, it is gonna be near impossible to keep that weight off when you get down to your goal weight. You'll be living on lettuce and multivitamins by that time.0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »It is Friday and OP has people taking d-e-b-a-i-t.
Exactly-OP loves to bait and see how many fishes he can entice onto his line.0 -
danieltsmoke wrote: »The question is could really eat everything I ate last night +400cals,and still lose 2lbs a week?? Seems a bit much
Well you need to be tracking accurately. If not, you are eating more than you think which may be why it seems like a ton of food.
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Every few days, a new post about how little you eat. It's not a debate or a discussion. I don't know what makes you post about, some sort of need for your virtuous willpower to be validated? I don't know.
But, you are not going to get validation for what you are doing here. I'm a 192lb female and I eat a lot more than you and still lose weight because SCIENCE! Well, science and maths.
I will truly never understand why anyone starves themselves when it is completely unnecessary and more likely to result in failure in the long term.0 -
You're not weighing out your food or drink so I wouldn't go all the way to your allotted amount. However, if you were to tighten up your logging and actually get to 2400 cals accurately, then yes, you could eat that much and lose 2 lbs/week. You cannot generically log 2 slices of dominoes pizza if you plan on eating up to your total allotted calories because you'd underestimate the calories (overshooting your allotment for the day). This would cause your weight loss to stall or gain lbs.
Bottom line, if you actually ate the allotted calories a day with accurate logging, then yes, you could still lose weight. If you're eyeballing your food, stick to your 1200 calories/day because it is guaranteeing that you're eating more than you think, so your probably eating closer to 1500 or 1800. Check your weight loss rate, if you're losing more than 2 lbs/week, then bump up your calories a little bit like around 200 calories (you're probably hungry at that rate of weight loss).0 -
Weren't you on here a few days ago complaining that the serve of mashed potatoes you were allowed was a pitiful amount and an experience you were never going to repeat?....no wonder if your goal is so low.
As others have pointed out, apparently repeatedly, your calorie intake is far too low. I have never said anything before because I was unaware of your actual intake. 1200 is not recommended or necessary for weight loss particularly for a man and a young one at that. I'm surprised MFP is even letting you complete your day without sending you warnings for under eating and their consequences.
My husband is 53, pretty much sedentary and is losing well on around 2000-2200....why are you in such a rush? What about loose skin?? What will you do when this loss slows ie. where will you drop the 1200 to?? Also how much a week are you losing on 1200??0 -
Eating 1200 calories a day may not kill you, but how long do you think you can really last eating that little? You'll lose more weight and more quickly without a doubt but how long will it stay off? There is something to be said for losing weight in a way that is actually sustainable.
I guess I just don't see why you bother using this app if you have no interest in listening to it, or at least following what it says for a few weeks and seeing the results, and tweaking as necessary. You don't have to eat every calorie every day, but eating half of what it recommends seems like you're not even trying.0 -
When I was working a very physically demanding job, I could've easily ate 2200 a day to lose 2 pounds a week.
Now I work a completely sedentary job and 2200 is my maintenance.
So while 2400 may seem high, depending on height, weight, activity level, it's not high at all.0
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