carbs
Fruit_lover2
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i hear all the time that carbs are bad. why is that?
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Unless you have a medical condition, they're not.0
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Eating a lower carb diet works for me. It's not that carbs are bad or eating them immediately make you gain weight but for me, processed carbs make me hungry much faster than things with protein or fat. They trigger me to want to eat more and spike my insulin. For me, eating lower carbs for the majority of my diet works better and keeps my blood sugar level and hunger at bay. It's all about the individual because some try low carb and they are hungry and miserable. If you try low carb and it works for you, awesome! If not, work in healthy carbs in your regular diet. :-)0
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Around half of all people have some sort of insulin resistance. For those people, higher amounts of carbs can be a bad thing. I find they hurt my health and make it easier to gain weight.
For the other half of the population, carbs don't appear to hurt their health.0 -
Around half of all people have some sort of insulin resistance. For those people, higher amounts of carbs can be a bad thing. I find they hurt my health and make it easier to gain weight.
For the other half of the population, carbs don't appear to hurt their health.
Half? Pretty sure you haven't proven that claim.
OP, carbs are fine, unless your doctor tells you otherwise. Best wishes.0 -
Around half of all people have some sort of insulin resistance. For those people, higher amounts of carbs can be a bad thing. I find they hurt my health and make it easier to gain weight.
For the other half of the population, carbs don't appear to hurt their health.
Half? Pretty sure you haven't proven that claim.
OP, carbs are fine, unless your doctor tells you otherwise. Best wishes.
Nope, haven't proven it. It was an estimation. Insulin resistance would include prediabetes, T2D, PCOS, NAFLD, and some dementia. I'm guessing that is about half, probably largely the older half, but around half.0 -
Around half of all people have some sort of insulin resistance. For those people, higher amounts of carbs can be a bad thing. I find they hurt my health and make it easier to gain weight.
For the other half of the population, carbs don't appear to hurt their health.
Half? Pretty sure you haven't proven that claim.
OP, carbs are fine, unless your doctor tells you otherwise. Best wishes.
Nope, haven't proven it. It was an estimation. Insulin resistance would include prediabetes, T2D, PCOS, NAFLD, and some dementia. I'm guessing that is about half, probably largely the older half, but around half.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-of-us-adults-have-diabetes-or-high-risk-prediabetes/
If anything, you probably estimated too low! 52% have diabetes or prediabetes. And that does not even include those with PCOS or other conditions.
More than half the population has a very significant reason to reduce carbs.0 -
T2D diabetic in remission here and I never went low carb. I was trained to eat all the macros in balance and on a schedule. I never ate carbs alone, always with a little protein.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/planning-meals/create-your-plate/
Fruits and veggies are also carbs and I'm not about to give them up!
Oatmeal (carbs) for breakfast with my Greek yogurt.
Carbs are a useful and pleasurable part of any diet.0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »Around half of all people have some sort of insulin resistance. For those people, higher amounts of carbs can be a bad thing. I find they hurt my health and make it easier to gain weight.
For the other half of the population, carbs don't appear to hurt their health.
Half? Pretty sure you haven't proven that claim.
OP, carbs are fine, unless your doctor tells you otherwise. Best wishes.
Nope, haven't proven it. It was an estimation. Insulin resistance would include prediabetes, T2D, PCOS, NAFLD, and some dementia. I'm guessing that is about half, probably largely the older half, but around half.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-of-us-adults-have-diabetes-or-high-risk-prediabetes/
If anything, you probably estimated too low! 52% have diabetes or prediabetes. And that does not even include those with PCOS or other conditions.
More than half the population has a very significant reason to reduce carbs.
"Half of US adults" is not the same as "half of all people".
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »Around half of all people have some sort of insulin resistance. For those people, higher amounts of carbs can be a bad thing. I find they hurt my health and make it easier to gain weight.
For the other half of the population, carbs don't appear to hurt their health.
Half? Pretty sure you haven't proven that claim.
OP, carbs are fine, unless your doctor tells you otherwise. Best wishes.
Nope, haven't proven it. It was an estimation. Insulin resistance would include prediabetes, T2D, PCOS, NAFLD, and some dementia. I'm guessing that is about half, probably largely the older half, but around half.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-of-us-adults-have-diabetes-or-high-risk-prediabetes/
If anything, you probably estimated too low! 52% have diabetes or prediabetes. And that does not even include those with PCOS or other conditions.
More than half the population has a very significant reason to reduce carbs.
"Half of US adults" is not the same as "half of all people".
True, but seeing as no children are permitted on this board, it is safe to assume everybody reading is an adult. And while there are international users, these conditions are becoming an increasing problem in much of the world. The US is not the only country with high numbers of insulin resistance.
So her estimate was actually a very good one. I'm not sure why you are objecting.0 -
Fruit_lover2 wrote: »i hear all the time that carbs are bad. why is that?
Lots of bad information is out there.
For better information on nutrition, check out: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-plate/0 -
Around half of all people have some sort of insulin resistance. For those people, higher amounts of carbs can be a bad thing. I find they hurt my health and make it easier to gain weight.
For the other half of the population, carbs don't appear to hurt their health.
Find me a source that indicates that non-starchy veg hurts anyone's health or that low carb diets are recommended across the board for the (overly high, but likely not nearly 50%) number of people who might test IR as the US is now defining it.0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »Around half of all people have some sort of insulin resistance. For those people, higher amounts of carbs can be a bad thing. I find they hurt my health and make it easier to gain weight.
For the other half of the population, carbs don't appear to hurt their health.
Half? Pretty sure you haven't proven that claim.
OP, carbs are fine, unless your doctor tells you otherwise. Best wishes.
Nope, haven't proven it. It was an estimation. Insulin resistance would include prediabetes, T2D, PCOS, NAFLD, and some dementia. I'm guessing that is about half, probably largely the older half, but around half.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-of-us-adults-have-diabetes-or-high-risk-prediabetes/
If anything, you probably estimated too low! 52% have diabetes or prediabetes. And that does not even include those with PCOS or other conditions.
More than half the population has a very significant reason to reduce carbs.
"Half of US adults" is not the same as "half of all people".
And US reduced the cut off for IR so it's lower than that used in other countries, so even that is misleading.
And estimating IR based on test results for people suspected isn't reliable, since generally they test people who are obese and not people who are normal weight (who likely are not IR unless they have some other risk factor, like taking steroids).0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »Around half of all people have some sort of insulin resistance. For those people, higher amounts of carbs can be a bad thing. I find they hurt my health and make it easier to gain weight.
For the other half of the population, carbs don't appear to hurt their health.
Half? Pretty sure you haven't proven that claim.
OP, carbs are fine, unless your doctor tells you otherwise. Best wishes.
Nope, haven't proven it. It was an estimation. Insulin resistance would include prediabetes, T2D, PCOS, NAFLD, and some dementia. I'm guessing that is about half, probably largely the older half, but around half.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-of-us-adults-have-diabetes-or-high-risk-prediabetes/
If anything, you probably estimated too low! 52% have diabetes or prediabetes. And that does not even include those with PCOS or other conditions.
More than half the population has a very significant reason to reduce carbs.
So, this is where I get confused when stats like this are bandied round
Which came first? Insulin resistance or being overweight?
What proportion of people who lose the weight, by any means, are insulin resistant or even pre-diabetic
Is it causative or correlation?
If causative can one surmise that being overweight results in a higher chance of being IR/pre-diabetic that the "cure" is losing weight and maintaining it. Hence the statistic is by it's very nature misleading.
OP I lost and maintain my weight eating a healthy balance of food...but at least 50-60% of me diet has remained carbs
Tbh I don't watch it ..I only watch my minimum protein level and aim to at least hit 100g daily (based on 0.6g - 0.8g per lb bodyweight) I also try to hit 35g fat
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You could eat a little more fat as it has great benefits.MoiAussi93 wrote: »Around half of all people have some sort of insulin resistance. For those people, higher amounts of carbs can be a bad thing. I find they hurt my health and make it easier to gain weight.
For the other half of the population, carbs don't appear to hurt their health.
Half? Pretty sure you haven't proven that claim.
OP, carbs are fine, unless your doctor tells you otherwise. Best wishes.
Nope, haven't proven it. It was an estimation. Insulin resistance would include prediabetes, T2D, PCOS, NAFLD, and some dementia. I'm guessing that is about half, probably largely the older half, but around half.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-of-us-adults-have-diabetes-or-high-risk-prediabetes/
If anything, you probably estimated too low! 52% have diabetes or prediabetes. And that does not even include those with PCOS or other conditions.
More than half the population has a very significant reason to reduce carbs.
So, this is where I get confused when stats like this are bandied round
Which came first? Insulin resistance or being overweight?
What proportion of people who lose the weight, by any means, are insulin resistant or even pre-diabetic
Is it causative or correlation?
If causative can one surmise that being overweight results in a higher chance of being IR/pre-diabetic that the "cure" is losing weight and maintaining it. Hence the statistic is by it's very nature misleading.
OP I lost and maintain my weight eating a healthy balance of food...but at least 50-60% of me diet has remained carbs
Tbh I don't watch it ..I only watch my minimum protein level and aim to at least hit 100g daily (based on 0.6g - 0.8g per lb bodyweight) I also try to hit 35g fat
There appears to be a genetic component to diabetes. Also there is new research that Alzheimers-Type conditions could be connected to blood sugar.
If these conditions / diseases run in some families and ethnic groups and not others, that means PERHAPS that the other groups can handle carbs.
Carbs are my mother's main food.
I really have not seen her eat much of any thing else, but diabetes does not run in her family and she has worked out a lot her entire life and is thin at 5 ft 100 pounds.
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It's clear that to some extent being overweight causes IR.
Also eating a ridiculous diet probably does, but no one has ever shown eating a 50% carbs diet does.0 -
Fruit_lover2 wrote: »i hear all the time that carbs are bad. why is that?
Eat the carbs if you like them and if they are helping you eat at your daily calorie level.
If you struggle with snacking or late night eating or things like that that people here often mention, you could consider some modifications to your macros.
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They aren't.0
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Fruit_lover2 wrote: »i hear all the time that carbs are bad. why is that?
"Bad" is a strange word in this context. Eating carbohydrate reduces oxidation of fat, and if the dietary intakes and energy expenditure combine with this to impair fat loss or promote fat storage then the outcome could be undesirable.
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So, this is where I get confused when stats like this are bandied round
Which came first? Insulin resistance or being overweight?
What proportion of people who lose the weight, by any means, are insulin resistant or even pre-diabetic
Is it causative or correlation?
You can be thin and insulin resistant, fat and insulin sensitive and all stations in between.
In one analysis civil servants with a certain diet profile were much more likely to become diabetic and were also more overweight, likely to smoke etc etc. In the highest quartile 10% of them became diabetic compared to 3.6% in the lowest quartile. In this case I think we would assume the diet profile led to the deterioration of health as all of the corrections for other factors did not eliminate the trend.0 -
Because fear is money.0
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So, this is where I get confused when stats like this are bandied round
Which came first? Insulin resistance or being overweight?
What proportion of people who lose the weight, by any means, are insulin resistant or even pre-diabetic
Is it causative or correlation?
You can be thin and insulin resistant, fat and insulin sensitive and all stations in between.
In one analysis civil servants with a certain diet profile were much more likely to become diabetic and were also more overweight, likely to smoke etc etc. In the highest quartile 10% of them became diabetic compared to 3.6% in the lowest quartile. In this case I think we would assume the diet profile led to the deterioration of health as all of the corrections for other factors did not eliminate the trend.
This I know on a case by case basis
I just don't think this 52% of US population should be used to support IR as the cause of obesity issues rather than as a symptom of the obesity issues
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Refined/processed cabs are bad, but carbs from veggies and occasional fruits are ok in moderation.0
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I just don't think this 52% of US population should be used to support IR as the cause of obesity issues rather than as a symptom of the obesity issues
With perhaps 20%+ of kids having IR it does look like it's implicated in the onset / progression of obesity, but my search for the clear explanation / timeline continues....0 -
OP--what have you heard about carbs which make them bad? Is there a class of carbohydrates which may be bad relative to their classes or classifications or food types or processed levels?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-of-us-adults-have-diabetes-or-high-risk-prediabetes/
Anybody bother to read this? Type 2 diabetes 9% diagnosed 5% undiagnosed; pre diabetic 2% diagnosed and 36% undiagnosed. So 11% is now 52%? Having fun with numbers. Since the numbers were moved lower for determination of pre diabetes anybody know the earlier numbers prior to the change? As a comparison BITD anybody remember when the US medical profession wanted to lower the overall cholesterol number? What were the drivers than and what would be the driver now of moving a marker lower for pre diabetes?
I wonder how many followers of 80-10-10 (80% carbs) are pre diabetic and do not know it? Hmmm. . . .0 -
I just don't think this 52% of US population should be used to support IR as the cause of obesity issues rather than as a symptom of the obesity issues
With perhaps 20%+ of kids having IR it does look like it's implicated in the onset / progression of obesity, but my search for the clear explanation / timeline continues....
If that was stated as population of children, percentage of obese / non-obese children and percentage of IR/non IR children within those percentages then there might be something of interest to discuss...don't you think?
Edit: Sorry, just noticed that was a live link to a meta study ...don't have time to read it right now, will come back to it ..but on a quick scan I noted this paragraph
"Overweight or obesity is an important factor influencing the prevalence of IR. The effect of overweight or obesity on IR is clearly observed in all presented studies as prevalence rates in overweight or obese children and adolescents were reported to be higher than in normal weight children and adolescents (Figure 3(b)). Most studies (7 out 11 studies presenting weight specific prevalence rates) not only differentiated between normal weight and overweight/obesity, but also stratified into normal weight, overweight, and obese children and adolescents [14, 16, 20, 23, 25, 26, 29]. These studies show an increased prevalence in obese children compared to overweight children. In the study by Caserta et al., odds ratios for IR were calculated for obese and overweight boys and girls comparing to their normal weight peers. The odds ratios of 9.1 (95% confidence interval 4.0–20.4) and 13.2 (4.7–36.9) were reported for obese boys and girls and lower odds ratios of 2.4 (1.2–4.9) and 6.0 (3.1–11.9) were reported for overweight boys and girls, respectively [20]. These results show that with normal weight increasing to obesity the prevalence of IR is rising."
I'd like to see the stats for normal weight too0 -
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Personal experience- I went on a low carb diet and lost weight fast due to ketosis. Couldn't sustain a low carb diet long term. Carbs aren't bad for you, they are part of a balanced diet.0
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I have lost weight by cutting down/out most added sugar, pasta, bread, rice and most other grains, desserts such as cookies or cake or brownies, snacky stuff like chips, crackers, etc. I have not cut carbs such as fruits and vegetables, and I do use flavored coffee creamer. For me this keeps my blood sugar more even and I don't have that sudden must-eat-everything-in-sight hunger. I also don't have the bloating and indigestion anymore, that I always get after eating any of those things. Pasta and rice (and other grains) are a lot of calories for not a lot of flavor. I'd rather eat my rice calories by having more of whatever it is I'm putting on the rice. Same with pasta -- I usually serve spaghetti sauce with meatballs with pasta, so I just have some meatballs alone, with veggies.
I know a lot of people here don't like to hear "good" and "bad" applied to foods, so let's just say that carbs (the ones I mentioned above) are high calorie foods. And you can eat other things to replace those calories if you give up some/most of those carbs. Also, for me, once I gave up bread I no longer craved bread and butter. Think about how many calories that is saving me! oy. lol
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Fruit_lover2 wrote: »i hear all the time that carbs are bad. why is that?
Many people do not process high carb levels well, have family history of metabolic disorders like diabetes that they are trying to prevent or actually have signs of developing diabetes or are diagnosed with it. Lowering carbohydrate intake assists many stay healthy or resolve illnesses in addition to helping restrict calories to lose weight.
You hear a wide range of opinions because some people tolerate high levels of sugar/carbohydrates just fine. For some reason they think that their ability to eat high levels of sugar/carbohydrates should apply to every human without a doctors instructions to lower carb intake. Only you understand your dietary needs best.
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