once fat, always fat
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From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Super Size Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months0 -
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"0 -
Are you unable to click either of the links I provided, one of which was from the Today show? Or Google his name yourself since I included it in my post?
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
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From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Super Size Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Thank you for your comment. When you share a story, please read it as well and please do not cherry pick facts. You did not mention about his fixed '2,000 calorie diet, using the daily recommended allowances for carbohydrates, proteins, sugar and fat; and he walked 45 minutes a day'.
I did not say it is a fact but I believe that it has some substance and asked particularly 'sidesteel' to comment on it as it appears everything he say is pure gold. Sorry for the last comment if sounded rude. My apologies!VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Dude, pick fight somewhere else. I am not interested in cat fights.0 -
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Super Size Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Thank you for your comment. When you share a story, please read it as well and please do not cherry pick facts. You did not mention about his fixed '2,000 calorie diet, using the daily recommended allowances for carbohydrates, proteins, sugar and fat; and he walked 45 minutes a day'.
I did not say it is a fact but I believe that it has some substance and asked particularly 'sidesteel' to comment on it as it appears everything he say is pure gold. Sorry for the last comment if sounded rude. My apologies!VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Dude, pick fight somewhere else. I am not interested in cat fights.
You might want to tag sidesteel if you want his opinion @SideSteel
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I didn't mention his calorie intake because I figured it was obvious and proved my point.
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Super Size Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Thank you for your comment. When you share a story, please read it as well and please do not cherry pick facts. You did not mention about his fixed '2,000 calorie diet, using the daily recommended allowances for carbohydrates, proteins, sugar and fat; and he walked 45 minutes a day'.
I did not say it is a fact but I believe that it has some substance and asked particularly 'sidesteel' to comment on it as it appears everything he say is pure gold. Sorry for the last comment if sounded rude. My apologies!VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Dude, pick fight somewhere else. I am not interested in cat fights.
Man who ate too many calories at McDonald's gained weight.
Man who ate fewer calories at McDonald's lost weight.
It's not what they ate, it's how much they ate. CICO, no matter the source.0 -
VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Ha. Exactly.0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Ha. Exactly.
If you guys want to gang up to win an argument, do not worry, I concede defeat. Now have a little celebration.
@SideSteel any comments?
Maybe you can shine some light on this debate?0 -
christinev297 wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Super Size Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Thank you for your comment. When you share a story, please read it as well and please do not cherry pick facts. You did not mention about his fixed '2,000 calorie diet, using the daily recommended allowances for carbohydrates, proteins, sugar and fat; and he walked 45 minutes a day'.
I did not say it is a fact but I believe that it has some substance and asked particularly 'sidesteel' to comment on it as it appears everything he say is pure gold. Sorry for the last comment if sounded rude. My apologies!VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Dude, pick fight somewhere else. I am not interested in cat fights.
You might want to tag sidesteel if you want his opinion @SideSteel
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@synacious " I'm 30 now and I weigh 118 pounds; my body looks the best it ever has in my life. Do I deprive myself? No. Yesterday I had half of a pumpkin spice donut, half of an apple cinnamon donut, half of a jelly donut, and a hamburger with BBQ sauce and french fries. I enjoyed every bite, but I know I can't eat like that every single day unless I'm willing to get the physical activity it takes to burn that off or maintain my weight. I still ended up losing two pounds this week when my goal is only half a pound per week. I didn't mean to, but I move around so much now that it just happened."
I weighed 115 until age 38, and then I slowly slowly gained. Up to to that point I ate whatever I wanted and the weight just melted off of me. I was always active too. So "age" is not necessarily starting at 30. Now, I can't even look at those things you mention in your comment. If I overeat one day, or eat something that has a tiny bit of more sodium or sugar, I gain 1-2 lbs that takes me 4-5 days to work off. I lift weights and do cardio 7 days a week. Have to do almost scientific efforts to lose the weight.
So as a conclusion, if one continues eating the stuff you mentioned, around a certain "age" one will gain back the weight without a doubt.
That's because you're gaining water weight... donuts or hamburgers won't make you gain weight as long as they fit your calories. Just saying.
I experienced first hand that the balance also counts. I cannot explain how, but the same caloric intake of "bad" food stays on more. Not to mention the increased cholesterol intake that just shortens one's life.
My point was really that we'd better watch out how and what we eat because at the end, you'll pay the piper.
Nope. As long as you're in a caloric deficit , weight comes off. No matter what. If you didn't lose weight, you weren't in a deficit. You need to weigh all solid food on a food scale to accurately verify caloric intake. All things in moderation, including cholesterol, and you're fine.
and as far as the piper goes, no one gets out alive, that's just how it goes. Enjoy the journey.
I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
@SideSteel your thoughts on this??0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Ha. Exactly.
If you guys want to gang up to win an argument, do not worry, I concede defeat. Now have a little celebration.
@SideSteel any comments?
Maybe you can shine some light on this debate?
I was obese and I do not have youth on my side. I used to eat McDonald's twice a week, fish and chips once a week and chicken and chips once a week. Bags and bags of crisps. I was oblivious to this fact until I joined MFP. I started to log my food and make slight amendments to my intake.I also started to add 20 mins a day exercise. I lost weight.
By your comments above loads of people are doomed and it's just not true.
There is no argument here. Name calling is not necessary.0 -
I didn't mention his calorie intake because I figured it was obvious and proved my point.
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Super Size Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Thank you for your comment. When you share a story, please read it as well and please do not cherry pick facts. You did not mention about his fixed '2,000 calorie diet, using the daily recommended allowances for carbohydrates, proteins, sugar and fat; and he walked 45 minutes a day'.
I did not say it is a fact but I believe that it has some substance and asked particularly 'sidesteel' to comment on it as it appears everything he say is pure gold. Sorry for the last comment if sounded rude. My apologies!VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Dude, pick fight somewhere else. I am not interested in cat fights.
Man who ate too many calories at McDonald's gained weight.
Man who ate fewer calories at McDonald's lost weight.
It's not what they ate, it's how much they ate. CICO, no matter the source.
No you did not prove anything nor I claimed anything.
All you talk about CICO (quantity) and your example of Cisna clearly showed 'quality' (nutrition+ exercise) is equally important.
Too much fixated on just CICO without considering proper nutrition??0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Ha. Exactly.
If you guys want to gang up to win an argument, do not worry, I concede defeat. Now have a little celebration.
@SideSteel any comments?
Maybe you can shine some light on this debate?
I was obese and I do not have youth on my side. I used to eat McDonald's twice a week, fish and chips once a week and chicken and chips once a week. Bags and bags of crisps. I was oblivious to this fact until I joined MFP. I started to log my food and make slight amendments to my intake.I also started to add 20 mins a day exercise. I lost weight.
By your comments above loads of people are doomed and it's just not true.
There is no argument here. Name calling is not necessary.
Point taken. I had apologised for that already.
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The fact that your body will push you to regain the weight isn't even debatable. It's fact. It's been in the textbooks for I don't even know how many years. And as the years go on, they find more and more ways the body pushes you to regain.
This doesn't need to be an excuse. The information is good to have and good to know. It can help us to know what is coming and prepare to deal with it.
Most of us who lose are going to regain. Many here have already lost, regained and are losing again. IMO, all the info one can have...it only helps. We have to plan.
I think it's good to know that your body is going to push you to regain. It's good to plan. Good to find your weaknesses while you lose.
It's all good.
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I didn't mention his calorie intake because I figured it was obvious and proved my point.
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Super Size Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Thank you for your comment. When you share a story, please read it as well and please do not cherry pick facts. You did not mention about his fixed '2,000 calorie diet, using the daily recommended allowances for carbohydrates, proteins, sugar and fat; and he walked 45 minutes a day'.
I did not say it is a fact but I believe that it has some substance and asked particularly 'sidesteel' to comment on it as it appears everything he say is pure gold. Sorry for the last comment if sounded rude. My apologies!VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Dude, pick fight somewhere else. I am not interested in cat fights.
Man who ate too many calories at McDonald's gained weight.
Man who ate fewer calories at McDonald's lost weight.
It's not what they ate, it's how much they ate. CICO, no matter the source.
No you did not prove anything nor I claimed anything.
All you talk about CICO (quantity) and your example of Cisna clearly showed 'quality' (nutrition+ exercise) is equally important.
Too much fixated on just CICO without considering proper nutrition??
You know to get people started keep this thing simple. I honestly didn't realise to lose weight all I had to do was eat less. I thought I had to stop certain things or just eat salad. This is common amongst a lot of people and that's why they fail.
As you carry on with your journey you then think about types of food and adding in exercise.
No one is saying eat McDonald's all day everyday0 -
The fact that your body will push you to regain the weight isn't even debatable. It's fact. It's been in the textbooks for I don't even know how many years. And as the years go on, they find more and more ways the body pushes you to regain.
This doesn't need to be an excuse. The information is good to have and good to know. It can help us to know what is coming and prepare to deal with it.
Most of us who lose are going to regain. Many here have already lost, regained and are losing again. IMO, all the info one can have...it only helps. We have to plan.
I think it's good to know that your body is going to push you to regain. It's good to plan. Good to find your weaknesses while you lose.
It's all good.
And this the reason I stay here so I remain focused. I like what I have achieved and don't want to go back.0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »You know to get people started keep this thing simple. I honestly didn't realise to lose weight all I had to do was eat less. I thought I had to stop certain things or just eat salad. This is common amongst a lot of people and that's why they fail.
You know, salad has even been one of my absolute favorite foods for almost a decade. And that's exactly why I kept beating myself up over not ever losing weight... Like, it doesn't matter how healthy I eat, I'll still never lose...
Thanks to MFP and IIFYM I now know exactly why I never lost as much weight as I wanted to. And nowadays I probably eat way less salad but lose more than I did in a decade.0 -
You said that "documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO."
I didn't mention his calorie intake because I figured it was obvious and proved my point.
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Super Size Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Thank you for your comment. When you share a story, please read it as well and please do not cherry pick facts. You did not mention about his fixed '2,000 calorie diet, using the daily recommended allowances for carbohydrates, proteins, sugar and fat; and he walked 45 minutes a day'.
I did not say it is a fact but I believe that it has some substance and asked particularly 'sidesteel' to comment on it as it appears everything he say is pure gold. Sorry for the last comment if sounded rude. My apologies!VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Dude, pick fight somewhere else. I am not interested in cat fights.
Man who ate too many calories at McDonald's gained weight.
Man who ate fewer calories at McDonald's lost weight.
It's not what they ate, it's how much they ate. CICO, no matter the source.
No you did not prove anything nor I claimed anything.
All you talk about CICO (quantity) and your example of Cisna clearly showed 'quality' (nutrition+ exercise) is equally important.
Too much fixated on just CICO without considering proper nutrition??
Cisna lost weight using fast food. Whether he gained his weight with it or not, he lost weight eating fast food. Yes, he worked it into his macros and ate a well-balanced diet with it (mostly, although the nutritionist on the Today show wasn't impressed) and exercised, but the point is that fast food isn't the issue when it comes to weight loss. Eating fewer calories (as he did and the Super Size Me man did not) is what's needed for weight loss.
You can eat the "cleanest", most balanced diet known to man and you will still gain weight if you eat more calories than your body uses over time. You can eat the "dirtiest", least balanced diet and still lose weight if you eat fewer calories than your body uses.0 -
You can eat the "dirtiest", least balanced diet and still lose weight if you eat fewer calories than your body uses.
One of my exes was like this. Her diet consisted mainly of frozen bean burritos, cake icing (she'd buy cans of it and eat it with a spoon), fried pickles, and baked potatoes floating in butter and sour cream. She was only about 95 lbs.
So not healthy, though. Would not reccomend.0 -
Of course, good nutrition is always best. I'm not quite that, um, unnutritious.VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »You can eat the "dirtiest", least balanced diet and still lose weight if you eat fewer calories than your body uses.
One of my exes was like this. Her diet consisted mainly of frozen bean burritos, cake icing (she'd buy cans of it and eat it with a spoon), fried pickles, and baked potatoes floating in butter and sour cream. She was only about 95 lbs.
So not healthy, though. Would not reccomend.
However, if the only way to lose weight were to "eat clean", I'd never lose weight. It's about balance and compromise.
I'm making healthier nutritional choices. They aren't always great but I need to work with what I can sustain long term. It has to be about the long term.
I want this to be the last time I lose weight. I need to be able to work in the occasional pizza or hamburger in order to stick with my calorie goals and I can do that within the macros.
I hope to be someone who doesn't regain all of the weight. Been there, done that.
This time, I'm only eating foods that I like. That's what's working for me. I like many nutritious things, and I work them into my day, but I also eat things that would make "clean" eaters cringe.
People need to find what works for them. If a super-nutritious diet is what someone likes and it works for them, that's wonderful and I wish I were like that. However, I'm not. I'm me and I need to find what works for me.0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »
From a calorie standpoint, sugar=sugar=sugar, no matter the source.I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
Have you watched Supersize Me? Dude went from a healthy, lowish-calorie diet to cramming just as many calories into his face as he could of the most calorific items on McDonald's menu. That's not an indictment of the type of food he ate, it's CICO. He didn't have a hamburger and a salad (which would have equaled the calories he normally ate) but instead made himself sick overeating calorie-dense foods that he wasn't used to eating.
How about John Cisna, who lost 60 pounds eating only McDonald's food?
High school science teacher who lost 60 pounds eating McDonald's for every meal is now a brand ambassador for the company
Man loses 56 pounds after eating only McDonald's for six months
Please have a real picture and a real name before preaching 'truth'.
Thank you kindly!
And equally, please make sure your facts are not just propaganda before preaching "truth." I mean, how the hell could "fast food weight" be more difficult to burn? Does your body mark it with a stamp, and just skip it when it's looking for fuel?
"Ah, here is some fuel! Wait, no, it used to be a Big Mac! Can't burn that! Send it straight to the thighs!"
Ha. Exactly.
If you guys want to gang up to win an argument, do not worry, I concede defeat. Now have a little celebration.
@SideSteel any comments?
Maybe you can shine some light on this debate?
SideSteel only steps in when HE decides to, not on command. And when he does, has an interesting point of veiw (in 3 yrs I've been on MFP). This thread is doing just fine, with lots of good information--sit back and learn.....0 -
For me getting rid of the "fat" clothes has been the best motivator. There's no way I'm going to start buying larger sizes. Ever. With that said, I'm back after gaining 15 pounds, why? I was in Colorado, where, ahem, cannabis is legal. Don't judge me people, it was legal. And it was shocking to realize how quickly and easily the pounds added up. I had no self control. And for me it doesn't matter what you eat, it matters how much you eat, healthy or not. I consider this summer an interesting experiment, I prefer being clear headed and in control of my life and food choices. Being fit and thin is so much more fun. Why would I want to be fat again?0
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Look, quite frankly, your posts like this and your others in this thread, and the mistakes and lack of knowledge in them, are a big part of the reason it's so hard for so many people to lose weight in the first place, let alone keep it off.No, my Dear. This is not why people regain weight. They regain for all the reasons that other posters mention here, the main reason being : personal responsibility!
Read this:
Energy Sources
"Carbohydrates and fats are two of the three types of energy sources, the other being protein. All three sources must be processed and converted into energy before your body can use them. Carbohydrates are converted into energy the quickest, so the human body relies heavily on the easy access of stored carbohydrates as its main energy source. Fat isn’t as quickly available as carbohydrates; it must go through additional processes before being converted into energy. Protein contributes very little energy."
Your posts are wrong. Just flat out wrong. You're spreading misinformation and distracting from the facts. That carbs are used for quick energy doesn't mean that dietary fat won't be used for energy. It doesn't mean that body fat won't be used for energy in a deficit. It just doesn't. Your posts are affirmatively harmful to the extent they confuse people who are trying to learn how to lose weight and maintain that loss.
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No, don't agree.
I was fat...now I'm not. CICO works.0 -
I guess that's individual dear... I did maintain it for 9 years after losing 80lbs... Than pregnancy and back here again but not that bad at all0
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norafinnland wrote: »I guess that's individual dear... I did maintain it for 9 years after losing 80lbs... Than pregnancy and back here again but not that bad at all
I think people who lose pregnancy weight within a certain time frame should be excluded from the "regain" stats! I wonder if this group is already
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christinev297 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »daniwilford wrote: »I knew how and have been successful in losing large amounts of weight before, I remember distinctly the days I decided to gain the weight back again. The reasons were always mental! I was scared or I wanted comfort or I wanted convenience. I have adopted better coping mechanisms now. I have hope but not overconfidence.
I liked being slim, but not the lifestyle I had chosen to maintain that. I thought I had it all figured out, but no - I regained. I am learning new stuff every day. I hope I never stop being vigilant and I want to be open for that everything I think I know is wrong. Overconfidence is actually what scares me most.
Honestly I'd love some over confidence. No, I don't regularly put away a whole pizza plus a burger and wings in just one night, anymore, and I exercise regularly, but YES I still want more food. I exercise at an intensity that makes me wonder, oh crap, what happens when I can't do this anymore? It actually seems a bit precarious to me, hence why I stay reading MFP to hope I keep learning things to help maintain my loss
It's entirely possible to both lose and maintain without exercise - MFP is set up to help you do exactly that. The calorie deficit it gives you is before any exercise - which is why you (the general you/MFP user, not you specifically) are supposed to eat the majority of exercise calories back.
Personally I am completely unable to exercise at all right now - and maintaining my weight. I've lost weight without exercise, as well. It's just about maintaining the deficit, or the goal. I can understand the fear, because it's easy to get used to the habit of exercising and logging it in, but it's not necessary.
Very true. Though for me, it's less about the logging and calorie goals than it is about the taste buds, stomach, and all the emotional aspects mentioned in the previous quotes, plus some pretty fun ones like joy, familiarity, community, nostalgia... I suppose I just see where some of the other posters are coming from, where maintaining a weight loss isn't always this breezy, forgone conclusion for me. Reason I mentioned the exercise is, if I suddenly couldn't count on those, average of let's say 400 extra calories per day, that's some nomness gone right there - at least quantity wise, I think!
That's my worry too. I'd seriously struggle if I didn't have my exercises calories to fall back on
It's a mental thing. But try to remember that it can be done - and remember that anything can happen. You never know if something when you can't exercise, and you need to be mentally prepared for that. Knowing that you can still lose and/or maintain weight if that happens is important, even if it never does.
Yeah but the prospect terrifies me too. I honestly think I'd just be too hungry eating 400 less calories, and I'd end up gaining back some weight. Guaranteed. I just don't have that much willpower.0 -
I got a few notifications that I was tagged in this thread and asked to comment. I haven't gone through all of the replies yet so if there's something specific other than the thread topic please let me know.
The short version is that there are a number of responses to weight loss that collectively make it very easy for us to regain weight. Energy expenditure tends to go down, Hunger tends to go up.
And statistically, successful weight loss followed by weight maintenance paints a grim picture.
But this absolutely doesn't mean that each individual can't succeed.
I can tell you this, if you don't believe in yourself and you don't try to begin with, THEN you're doomed for failure.
To those who tagged me, Let me know if there was something specific you wanted my opinion on.0 -
I got a few notifications that I was tagged in this thread and asked to comment. I haven't gone through all of the replies yet so if there's something specific other than the thread topic please let me know.
The short version is that there are a number of responses to weight loss that collectively make it very easy for us to regain weight. Energy expenditure tends to go down, Hunger tends to go up.
And statistically, successful weight loss followed by weight maintenance paints a grim picture.
But this absolutely doesn't mean that each individual can't succeed.
I can tell you this, if you don't believe in yourself and you don't try to begin with, THEN you're doomed for failure.
To those who tagged me, Let me know if there was something specific you wanted my opinion on.
Definitely my experience. When I was so sure I would never gain the weight back, I definitely didn't account for that... but it happened. Got close to my goal, increased my calories, and got hungrier than I ever was when I was losing. I never realized that it could happen until it did... still haven't failed though!0 -
Of course, good nutrition is always best. I'm not quite that, um, unnutritious.VykkDraygoVPR wrote: »You can eat the "dirtiest", least balanced diet and still lose weight if you eat fewer calories than your body uses.
One of my exes was like this. Her diet consisted mainly of frozen bean burritos, cake icing (she'd buy cans of it and eat it with a spoon), fried pickles, and baked potatoes floating in butter and sour cream. She was only about 95 lbs.
So not healthy, though. Would not reccomend.
However, if the only way to lose weight were to "eat clean", I'd never lose weight. It's about balance and compromise.
I'm making healthier nutritional choices. They aren't always great but I need to work with what I can sustain long term. It has to be about the long term.
I want this to be the last time I lose weight. I need to be able to work in the occasional pizza or hamburger in order to stick with my calorie goals and I can do that within the macros.
I hope to be someone who doesn't regain all of the weight. Been there, done that.
This time, I'm only eating foods that I like. That's what's working for me. I like many nutritious things, and I work them into my day, but I also eat things that would make "clean" eaters cringe.
People need to find what works for them. If a super-nutritious diet is what someone likes and it works for them, that's wonderful and I wish I were like that. However, I'm not. I'm me and I need to find what works for me.
^^^This, for me x10000
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