once fat, always fat
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I agree no one goes from fat to skinny and becomes like a skinny person who has never been fat. Your whole life will be a battle. Youll have to fight the urge to eat certain foods and to not eat too much. Some people in order to maintain must count calories there entire lives. There never going to be like their skinny or normal weight friend who doesnt have to think about any of these things. Youll always have a huge appetite, be constantly hungry, and just plain miserable. Maybe this isn't true but it feels that way for me. Ive lost 60 pounds and need maybe 20 more to be a normal bmi, but im constantly hungry even though im eating like 1800 calories im so *kitten* hungry.0
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@synacious " I'm 30 now and I weigh 118 pounds; my body looks the best it ever has in my life. Do I deprive myself? No. Yesterday I had half of a pumpkin spice donut, half of an apple cinnamon donut, half of a jelly donut, and a hamburger with BBQ sauce and french fries. I enjoyed every bite, but I know I can't eat like that every single day unless I'm willing to get the physical activity it takes to burn that off or maintain my weight. I still ended up losing two pounds this week when my goal is only half a pound per week. I didn't mean to, but I move around so much now that it just happened."
I weighed 115 until age 38, and then I slowly slowly gained. Up to to that point I ate whatever I wanted and the weight just melted off of me. I was always active too. So "age" is not necessarily starting at 30. Now, I can't even look at those things you mention in your comment. If I overeat one day, or eat something that has a tiny bit of more sodium or sugar, I gain 1-2 lbs that takes me 4-5 days to work off. I lift weights and do cardio 7 days a week. Have to do almost scientific efforts to lose the weight.
So as a conclusion, if one continues eating the stuff you mentioned, around a certain "age" one will gain back the weight without a doubt.
That's because you're gaining water weight... donuts or hamburgers won't make you gain weight as long as they fit your calories. Just saying.
I experienced first hand that the balance also counts. I cannot explain how, but the same caloric intake of "bad" food stays on more. Not to mention the increased cholesterol intake that just shortens one's life.
My point was really that we'd better watch out how and what we eat because at the end, you'll pay the piper.
Nope. As long as you're in a caloric deficit , weight comes off. No matter what. If you didn't lose weight, you weren't in a deficit. You need to weigh all solid food on a food scale to accurately verify caloric intake. All things in moderation, including cholesterol, and you're fine.
and as far as the piper goes, no one gets out alive, that's just how it goes. Enjoy the journey.
I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
You tagged him, he was here, but even if he'd seen this silly post, he wouldn't have correlated your argument. Sugar is sugar, and a calorie deficit works.
No one is going to eat just fast food, all the time, and that wasn't the point of this thread (which you have now completely derailed). The point is that it is perfectly fine to eat fast food, sometimes, and perfectly fine to eat other foods like chips, or doughnuts, or cookies, sometimes. And still eat broccoli, and green peppers, and rice, and potatoes, and steak, etc. A well-rounded diet. In moderation. It's the calorie deficit that leads to weight loss. Period. It's the well-rounded part that leads to being healthy while losing weight.0 -
leslielosesit wrote: »I agree no one goes from fat to skinny and becomes like a skinny person who has never been fat. Your whole life will be a battle. Youll have to fight the urge to eat certain foods and to not eat too much. Some people in order to maintain must count calories there entire lives. There never going to be like their skinny or normal weight friend who doesnt have to think about any of these things. Youll always have a huge appetite, be constantly hungry, and just plain miserable. Maybe this isn't true but it feels that way for me. Ive lost 60 pounds and need maybe 20 more to be a normal bmi, but im constantly hungry even though im eating like 1800 calories im so *kitten* hungry.
You need to find the right combination of satiating foods for you. If you are eating a higher ratio of carbs, try a higher ratio of fats/proteins. Often that will be the answer.0 -
@synacious " I'm 30 now and I weigh 118 pounds; my body looks the best it ever has in my life. Do I deprive myself? No. Yesterday I had half of a pumpkin spice donut, half of an apple cinnamon donut, half of a jelly donut, and a hamburger with BBQ sauce and french fries. I enjoyed every bite, but I know I can't eat like that every single day unless I'm willing to get the physical activity it takes to burn that off or maintain my weight. I still ended up losing two pounds this week when my goal is only half a pound per week. I didn't mean to, but I move around so much now that it just happened."
I weighed 115 until age 38, and then I slowly slowly gained. Up to to that point I ate whatever I wanted and the weight just melted off of me. I was always active too. So "age" is not necessarily starting at 30. Now, I can't even look at those things you mention in your comment. If I overeat one day, or eat something that has a tiny bit of more sodium or sugar, I gain 1-2 lbs that takes me 4-5 days to work off. I lift weights and do cardio 7 days a week. Have to do almost scientific efforts to lose the weight.
So as a conclusion, if one continues eating the stuff you mentioned, around a certain "age" one will gain back the weight without a doubt.
That's because you're gaining water weight... donuts or hamburgers won't make you gain weight as long as they fit your calories. Just saying.
I experienced first hand that the balance also counts. I cannot explain how, but the same caloric intake of "bad" food stays on more. Not to mention the increased cholesterol intake that just shortens one's life.
My point was really that we'd better watch out how and what we eat because at the end, you'll pay the piper.
Nope. As long as you're in a caloric deficit , weight comes off. No matter what. If you didn't lose weight, you weren't in a deficit. You need to weigh all solid food on a food scale to accurately verify caloric intake. All things in moderation, including cholesterol, and you're fine.
and as far as the piper goes, no one gets out alive, that's just how it goes. Enjoy the journey.
I wish sidesteel to counter this argument.
Corn syrup= honey= sugar=??? plus documentary-'supersize me'. My argument here is fast food weight gain is hard to lose (possible but requires more effort). Not going into CICO.
You tagged him, he was here, but even if he'd seen this silly post, he wouldn't have correlated your argument. Sugar is sugar, and a calorie deficit works.
No one is going to eat just fast food, all the time, and that wasn't the point of this thread (which you have now completely derailed). The point is that it is perfectly fine to eat fast food, sometimes, and perfectly fine to eat other foods like chips, or doughnuts, or cookies, sometimes. And still eat broccoli, and green peppers, and rice, and potatoes, and steak, etc. A well-rounded diet. In moderation. It's the calorie deficit that leads to weight loss. Period. It's the well-rounded part that leads to being healthy while losing weight.
^ I agree with this.
Sugar is pretty much sugar. Replacing table sugar with a caloric equivalent in honey isn't going to accomplish anything meaningful.
I'm not sure how to respond to the fast food part. You accumulate fat when you chronically over consume calories. Once you've accumulated fat it's not as though your fat cells say "this excess fat over here was from fast food so I'm not going to give that up" and "but this fat over here was from bacon that I made at home, so I'll lose this fat first".
If that doesn't make sense then it's possible I'm not understanding the original claim.
Now I can think of reasons to limit fast food consumption but if you have a nutrient rich diet and your total calories aren't excessive then enjoying some on occasion isn't some sort of death sentence.
Food for thought:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17536194/0 -
blessingsfromabove721 wrote: »Taking an excerpt out of one of the big posts trending on here right now (the one about the 800lb man getting kicked out of the hospital), somebody posted a story on that thread about a girl who was very large and lost some weight but not in the healthy way. Anyways, basically what she said was that most people who start off fat, even if they lose the weight, will always be fat...no matter how hard they try. And basically she made the assumption that even if you do manage to keep the weight off for any length of time, you will have to eat a very low calorie diet and you will basically be miserable, sick and tired.
My question is: do you think this is true? Do you think the majority of us will regain the weight and as she called "once your fat, you'll always be fat"? Or do you think it all comes down to being informed about weight loss and maintenance?
it is true that only about 5% or so of people who lose weight will keep it off...it is not true that you have to eat very low calories and be miserable though. I consume about 3,000 calories per day for my maintenance.
the reason people tend to put weight back on is because they don't really adopt a healthier lifestyle in general...people talk a good talk about "lifestyle change" or whatever...but most people fail at actually implementing that...they lose weight and then they're "done" and they go back to "normal" eating habits, stop exercising, etc. they fail to actually implement any kind of true change of lifestyle. you can't go back to old dietary and exercise (or lack thereof) habits and expect the maintain your weight...there has to be a new normal.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »blessingsfromabove721 wrote: »Taking an excerpt out of one of the big posts trending on here right now (the one about the 800lb man getting kicked out of the hospital), somebody posted a story on that thread about a girl who was very large and lost some weight but not in the healthy way. Anyways, basically what she said was that most people who start off fat, even if they lose the weight, will always be fat...no matter how hard they try. And basically she made the assumption that even if you do manage to keep the weight off for any length of time, you will have to eat a very low calorie diet and you will basically be miserable, sick and tired.
My question is: do you think this is true? Do you think the majority of us will regain the weight and as she called "once your fat, you'll always be fat"? Or do you think it all comes down to being informed about weight loss and maintenance?
it is true that only about 5% or so of people who lose weight will keep it off...it is not true that you have to eat very low calories and be miserable though. I consume about 3,000 calories per day for my maintenance.
the reason people tend to put weight back on is because they don't really adopt a healthier lifestyle in general...people talk a good talk about "lifestyle change" or whatever...but most people fail at actually implementing that...they lose weight and then they're "done" and they go back to "normal" eating habits, stop exercising, etc. they fail to actually implement any kind of true change of lifestyle. you can't go back to old dietary and exercise (or lack thereof) habits and expect the maintain your weight...there has to be a new normal.
One of the things she said in that article was about losing weight quickly, and also feeling like she was starving. As wolfman says, weight loss and then maintenance need to be a learning process and a lifestyle change. Rush that at your own risk.
When someone wants to become proficient at something (a sport, playing an instrument) they don't just read the instructions and start, and suddenly they know what they're doing and do it well. They learn how, take lessons, and practice, practice, practice. Sometimes they have losses, and failures. To become truly good at it, they fight through all the challenges until they know fully well all the ins and outs of their (sport or instrument). This is the dedication it takes to become successful at long-term weight loss and maintenance. Every day is another chance to learn more, try again, continue to work to become successful. There is no end-game - there is just the long, continuing road of success.0 -
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cwolfman13 wrote: »it is true that only about 5% or so of people who lose weight will keep it off...it is not true that you have to eat very low calories and be miserable though. I consume about 3,000 calories per day for my maintenance.
the reason people tend to put weight back on is because they don't really adopt a healthier lifestyle in general...people talk a good talk about "lifestyle change" or whatever...but most people fail at actually implementing that...they lose weight and then they're "done" and they go back to "normal" eating habits, stop exercising, etc. they fail to actually implement any kind of true change of lifestyle. you can't go back to old dietary and exercise (or lack thereof) habits and expect the maintain your weight...there has to be a new normal.
@cwolfman13 - I'm going to correct that bolded statistic here, not to be a jerk but just to offer clarification. I know you know I'm not doing it to pick on you specifically, because that 5% figure gets quoted all over the place.
The study that gave rise to that 5% success estimation was done way back in 1959, and would not have been handled in the same way today. That study just isn't relevant thanks to methodological issues and our improved understanding of how to assess what's going on with weight loss.
Currently it appears that a more accurate statistic reflecting the percentage of folks who will keep weight off after losing it is 20%.
AND...there's been some solid data to indicate that if you can succeed at maintaining weight loss for 2 years, you can reduce your risk of subsequent regain by nearly 50%. That's truly encouraging.
The National Weight Control Registry is now tracking data for over 10,000 persons who have succeeded in maintaining a weight loss of at least 30 pounds for at least one year - and they've been doing it long enough to offer all of us some really excellent information about the characteristics of those who succeed.
So - 20% overall success is still scary-low, but it's a heck of a lot better than 5%, and with the information coming to us from the Registry, we can hope to see that 20% increase even further.
Thank you. This is great info.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »it is true that only about 5% or so of people who lose weight will keep it off...it is not true that you have to eat very low calories and be miserable though. I consume about 3,000 calories per day for my maintenance.
the reason people tend to put weight back on is because they don't really adopt a healthier lifestyle in general...people talk a good talk about "lifestyle change" or whatever...but most people fail at actually implementing that...they lose weight and then they're "done" and they go back to "normal" eating habits, stop exercising, etc. they fail to actually implement any kind of true change of lifestyle. you can't go back to old dietary and exercise (or lack thereof) habits and expect the maintain your weight...there has to be a new normal.
@cwolfman13 - I'm going to correct that bolded statistic here, not to be a jerk but just to offer clarification. I know you know I'm not doing it to pick on you specifically, because that 5% figure gets quoted all over the place.
The study that gave rise to that 5% success estimation was done way back in 1959, and would not have been handled in the same way today. That study just isn't relevant thanks to methodological issues and our improved understanding of how to assess what's going on with weight loss.
Currently it appears that a more accurate statistic reflecting the percentage of folks who will keep weight off after losing it is 20%.
AND...there's been some solid data to indicate that if you can succeed at maintaining weight loss for 2 years, you can reduce your risk of subsequent regain by nearly 50%. That's truly encouraging.
The National Weight Control Registry is now tracking data for over 10,000 persons who have succeeded in maintaining a weight loss of at least 30 pounds for at least one year - and they've been doing it long enough to offer all of us some really excellent information about the characteristics of those who succeed.
So - 20% overall success is still scary-low, but it's a heck of a lot better than 5%, and with the information coming to us from the Registry, we can hope to see that 20% increase even further.
Even if we look at a newer study - it's still based on statistics, and does nothing to predict the outcome for any of us. Think about it, if you live to be 80, you'll have a much bigger chance to be 100, than if you die at 75.
I wish ideas like "the body wants to", "the body remembers" etc could go away.0 -
Its very easy for me to gain weight. And my weight crept up over time. So I'm losing again. This time I don't intend on letting it get out of hand because the stakes are MUCH higher than they were when I was 19.0
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DeguelloTex wrote: »Y'all might regain. I won't.
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Information and diligence. I will have to log the rest of my life to keep myself informed of my portions. I can only do so much to help deal with how I was raised to see food and I don't think I'll ever be able to really know that I am full, even if I eat until it hurts. So far I have lost 80lbs, these last 40lbs are SO. MUCH. HARDER. I imagine if I don't keep aware and if I am not conscientiously making an effort to keep my life changed, I will slip right back up to 262lbs... It's my reality, but I'm okay with it if it means I stay a sexy beast.0
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I will say that one woman told me she purposely let herself get too thin (5'4", 290lb to 108lb) because she wanted to have "wiggle room."
Soon, she was back to old habits and went up over 300 pounds again. She never lost it.
Aww....I feel so bad for whoever that was....is she more-or-less happy though?
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mhaskins08 wrote: »It comes down to being informed. When you know getter... You usually do better.
This time around... I'm learning how to blend a Calorie deficit with a diet that doesn't leave Me feeling deprived. And I've accepted some days I will go over (cheat days) and these are accounted for.
Now once you've been fat... You always remember what it feels like to be fat... You never Forget that. That alone can be a motivating force. It is for me.
This all the way. My weight loss has been legit this time. It feels SO wonderful to be in good health, with a normal BMI, and being able to do my favorite hobbies (biking, dancing, trail walks, etc) without running out of breath so fast. Though I had been overweight all my life, I've reached a point where I crave fitness more than I crave junk food. That's not to say I don't have treats; I mix up 80/20 and 90/10 days. I go 100% good when I *want* to, and never more than that. However, my treats tend be healthier alternatives that are just as tasty as the high-calorie originals (i.e. low butter popcorn instead of regular/extra butter popcorn).
I can't believe I once thought that losing weight would be too stressful/impossible. Looking back now, I can see that being overweight/obese was such a burden; I was literally dragging along 30lbs+ extra on my small frame (I'm 5"2). I truly enjoy counting calories (it's like a game), I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything, and my exercises are so much fun. In other words, I am living a life that I enjoy. I think this condition of changing over to an *enjoyable* healthy lifestyle will be what determines if someone will get to a healthy weight for forever or will always be fat.0 -
"once fat" .... did you pop out your mum obese? Nahh? Didn't think so.0
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I will say that one woman told me she purposely let herself get too thin (5'4", 290lb to 108lb) because she wanted to have "wiggle room."
Soon, she was back to old habits and went up over 300 pounds again. She never lost it.
Aww....I feel so bad for whoever that was....is she more-or-less happy though?
She's dead now, but was never a very happy person, fat or thin. I learned my "wiggle room" lesson from her. If you create it, don't abuse it!0
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