Looking for other pro science people on here
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Lol, shouldn't have to be an opinion! It's can easily proven as essential for weight loss amongst the general population.Redbeard333 wrote: »Howdy! I'm a science teacher, so I guess I qualify as being a pro-science person
It's all about calories in vs. calories out in my opinion!
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I'm pretty pro-science, but I'm absolutely 100% anti- selling me things. I love to run, I tolerate lifting, I hate protein powder, and I'm smart enough to know that you just feign interest in me to line your pockets with your MLM scheme. There. I said it.0
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Okay, dude I have to admit that was really funny.tincanonastring wrote: »Look for people with jailbars over their avatar.
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I've got a PhD in toxicology, but I'll be over in the chit chat acting a fool most of the time...0
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But do you science or broscience?josephisactive wrote: »I eat whole natural foods and work my butt off in the gym. Fitness, health, and longevity is a life long journey. It's a privilege and a blessing to eat good and exercise.
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I'm an Atheist with a degree in Religious studies, who works IT for a living and fitness as a hobby/passion. I'm all about the science. None of this broscience. Show me some studies, thank you.0
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For reals? Impressive.I've got a PhD in toxicology, but I'll be over in the chit chat acting a fool most of the time...
So your take on BPA's?
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I failed science.0
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For reals? Impressive.I've got a PhD in toxicology, but I'll be over in the chit chat acting a fool most of the time...
So your take on BPA's?
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my take on most things toxicological is to back away from the edge of crazy and be rational about it.
(assuming you mean Bisphenol A there)
I'm not going to go full bore avoiding all products containing it, but it is nice when you can avoid it. There are just immeasurable compounds that have hormone antagonistic and agonistic effects though (and some of the strongest and most relevant being natural from our diet).
I'm of the opinion that most chemicals added to foods or pertaining to foods (as addetives/modifiers) have been studied well enough that there is at worst a "risk" that is acceptable within guidelines established.
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Yay science! Thank you for posting this. I too would love to have like-minded friends who are interested in science and research-based approaches to health and fitness. I think it's way too easy to get caught up in the lingo of the fads of the day - clean eating, non-GMO, macros, blah blah blah. I will send you a friend request. 0
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@ninerbuff - would you please explain what broscience is? Thanks!0
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Redbeard333 wrote: »I just slammed my students with the "you're not the astrological sign you think you are" this afternoon
newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/13/horoscope-hang-up-earth-rotation-changes-zodiac-signs/
Several of them are ticked off; one girl even has a tattoo of Scorpio.... and realizes she's "actually" a Virgo.... teehee!!
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meganridenour wrote: »Does this include not posting about how God blessed you with the power to lose weight? If so, add me
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tincanonastring wrote: »Look for people with jailbars over their avatar.
This made me LOL, for a stupid amount of time.0 -
Not really looking for friends at this point, but give me facts that can be falsified. Otherwise, there is no harm in admitting ignorance where understanding is not readily or easily available -- you may learn something more.0
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MrsVelapanur wrote: »@ninerbuff - would you please explain what broscience is? Thanks!
you need to eat 1 g/per pound body weight protein everyday and space your meals out to smaller meals every 2-3 hours to keep your metabolism high.0 -
For reals? Impressive.I've got a PhD in toxicology, but I'll be over in the chit chat acting a fool most of the time...
So your take on BPA's?
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my take on most things toxicological is to back away from the edge of crazy and be rational about it.
(assuming you mean Bisphenol A there)
I'm not going to go full bore avoiding all products containing it, but it is nice when you can avoid it. There are just immeasurable compounds that have hormone antagonistic and agonistic effects though (and some of the strongest and most relevant being natural from our diet).
I'm of the opinion that most chemicals added to foods or pertaining to foods (as addetives/modifiers) have been studied well enough that there is at worst a "risk" that is acceptable within guidelines established.
So as a toxicologist you're pro current toxicology guidelines? How much is big toxicology paying you to agree with established science?!
(random smiley added to show what should be obvious sarcasm with someone on my MFP friendlist). 0 -
@_John_ listed some examples, but it's essentially stuff that is stated as absolute fact, but is merely stuff that was stated 30 years ago without much evidence or reasoning, but has been repeated so frequently that everyone just assumes that it's true.MrsVelapanur wrote: »@ninerbuff - would you please explain what broscience is? Thanks!0 -
For reals? Impressive.I've got a PhD in toxicology, but I'll be over in the chit chat acting a fool most of the time...
So your take on BPA's?
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my take on most things toxicological is to back away from the edge of crazy and be rational about it.
(assuming you mean Bisphenol A there)
I'm not going to go full bore avoiding all products containing it, but it is nice when you can avoid it. There are just immeasurable compounds that have hormone antagonistic and agonistic effects though (and some of the strongest and most relevant being natural from our diet).
I'm of the opinion that most chemicals added to foods or pertaining to foods (as addetives/modifiers) have been studied well enough that there is at worst a "risk" that is acceptable within guidelines established.
So as a toxicologist you're pro current toxicology guidelines? How much is big toxicology paying you to agree with established science?! (random smiley added to show what should be obvious sarcasm with someone on my MFP friendlist).
Somehow I have a feeling a lot of posts in this thread need disclaimers...0 -
For reals? Impressive.I've got a PhD in toxicology, but I'll be over in the chit chat acting a fool most of the time...
So your take on BPA's?
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my take on most things toxicological is to back away from the edge of crazy and be rational about it.
(assuming you mean Bisphenol A there)
I'm not going to go full bore avoiding all products containing it, but it is nice when you can avoid it. There are just immeasurable compounds that have hormone antagonistic and agonistic effects though (and some of the strongest and most relevant being natural from our diet).
I'm of the opinion that most chemicals added to foods or pertaining to foods (as addetives/modifiers) have been studied well enough that there is at worst a "risk" that is acceptable within guidelines established.
So as a toxicologist you're pro current toxicology guidelines? How much is big toxicology paying you to agree with established science?! (random smiley added to show what should be obvious sarcasm with someone on my MFP friendlist).
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I'm in, if you'll have me. Biologist and engineer here, so science and nothing but science for me. (Weird combination, I know. But the scientist in me asks "why" and the engineer wants to know "how" ) 0
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I have a Master's degree but not in the sciences and have to admit that math was not my thing. However, once I decided to unfriend my fat I began researching.
Numbers fascinate me now -- the simple elegance of calories in / calories out was a revelation for a math idiot like myself. Balancing the two is a true art form.
Eating as many calories as possible while still losing weight? Wow. I don't have to be hangry, ever. 50 lbs lost through balancing calories in / calories out over the last year and a half has empowered me to take control of my weight and health.
I adore the numbers now and bow to all you science and math people. I only regret that I didn't pay more attention in my math/science classes.
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robertw486 wrote: »Some of my friends are dumber than monkeys, since they don't like science or fact based studies at times. It's hard not to laugh when they cite documentaries as the reason for a 30 day juicing diet!
The more I work with monkeys the more I understand people.... we are really not that different... really really...
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If Shadowfax_c11 is an animal trainer, maybe she can add her opinion here and a better explanation than I can give, but there has been a lot of old and well-documented research in the field of behavior. You probably all know Skinner and Pavlov, but look up Bob Bailey, the Brelands, and Dr. Susan Friedman, whose field is applied behavioral analysis, in Utah (behaviorworks.org).
Well... yes and no. My job title in the lab is Animal care technician. I work with multiple species of nonhuman primates but primarily Rhesus macaques and cebus monkeys. I mostly feed them and keep the facility clean. I do a very small amount of cage training, mostly geared toward behavioral work, getting the more difficult animals to become less aggressive and more interested in seeking positive human interactions. The animals are HIGHLY food motivated and usually work for small food rewards. As training progresses I reduce the frequency of the food rewards and use intermittent reinforcement(AKA Operant conditioning). Studies have shown that a monkey will work harder to get a reward if he only has a 50% chance of actually getting the reward. Kinda like how humans get really hooked on gambling... or ebay. I have had success with a few animals now that were difficult and dangerous which have become much more inclined to good behavior.
One of the animal trainers in my facility took my suggestion that this might be useful and tried it with one of her working macaques. She found that his accuracy percentage on the task increased significantly, but he lost his concentration(tired) on the task more quickly. Could possibly relate to why so many humans have difficulty sticking to a eating program over a long period of time?
Aside from my "real job" in science, I have been a professional trainer,and hoof care provider, in the horse world for over 20 years. My area of expertise is working with troubled horses that are difficult and at times dangerous to handle and work on. Most of the time I use pressure and release but have found that some individuals respond extremely well to food rewards. One in particular would not allow anyone to touch him but his owners, making it extremely difficult and dangerous for his past farriers to work on his feet. Using food rewards and a great deal of patience we went from him taking 2.5 hours to allow me to handle all four of his feet briefly, to him willingly lifting his foot and holding it for me before I even touch him. It now takes an average of 15 minutes to do a full trim. He has been cut back gradually from a reward for every tiny try to a reward for a willing and compliant attitude through an entire cycle. Again something like intermittent rewards.
I think this might be a subject worth exploring for people but not real sure how it might apply in this particular model. Monkeys and horses don't have quite the same reasoning power that people do but I do notice a lot of threads where people want to be rewarded for their efforts. Personally for me the reward is seeing my goals being achieved. But that might be the martial artist in me. Being able to find satisfaction in the process of doing the thing rather than expecting the satisfaction to come at it's completion. I see weight management like I see my aikido training. it will never be finished ,at least not while I exist on this plane.
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shadowfax_c11 wrote: »robertw486 wrote: »Some of my friends are dumber than monkeys, since they don't like science or fact based studies at times. It's hard not to laugh when they cite documentaries as the reason for a 30 day juicing diet!
The more I work with monkeys the more I understand people.... we are really not that different... really really...
Some appear to have entered the stone age.
If any develop cooking and the brain power afforded by the increased calories, things could get planet of the apes weird.0 -
lithezebra wrote: »lithezebra wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »lithezebra wrote: »Biochemist here.
However, I would caution pro science people that we don't necessarily have the big picture about why some people are overweight and some people aren't, or why there is an obesity epidemic. Just telling people to eat less and exercise more doesn't seem to be ending the epidemic, though it has worked for me personally.
And isn't that the issue, though? Whenever it comes down to the individual level, a person exercising more and eating less, i.e. in a calorie deficit, invariably loses the weight. I've yet to hear of someone without a medical condition where that wasn't the case.
But it seems to be a hell of a lot harder for some people. I was a binge eater, and hypothyroid, and still stayed within my healthy weight range. I'm not especially prone to being overweight.
It's simple, not easy.
Geneticist and firm believer in CICO. :flowerforyou:
There is more than just calories in and calories out, when it comes to how much people want to eat, how much energy they actually use, and why some people eat too much. There are also an alarming number of studies showing that people almost invariably regain the weight they lose. If you want science that helps people with obesity and all the health problems associated with it, you can't stop at CICO, no matter how fervently you believe in it, and no matter how well it works for people who aren't overweight anyway, because it hasn't helped enough of the people who really need it.
Most people do fail at dieting, but honestly, the worst case scenario that gets thrown out of 90% comes from a study done in the 1950s - where they used the then cutting edge method of giving people a pamphlet with diet recommendations, sent them home, and then checked on them 1 year or so later.
Trying to deal with obesity as an epidemic involves complex policy decisions that are too political for MFP's general forums, and aren't really useful at the individual level. At the individual level, adherence to a calorie deficit is guaranteed to produce results, and personal responsibility will make it happen. Admittedly, not everyone wants to do that.
I was referring to a 2007 study out of UCLA and published in American Psychologist. People should still eat less and exercise more to lose weight. But the interesting science is the research on what drives overeating.
(Being pro-science, to me, means finding science interesting, not just rejecting unscientific ideas).
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shadowfax_c11 wrote: »robertw486 wrote: »Some of my friends are dumber than monkeys, since they don't like science or fact based studies at times. It's hard not to laugh when they cite documentaries as the reason for a 30 day juicing diet!
The more I work with monkeys the more I understand people.... we are really not that different... really really...
Some appear to have entered the stone age.
If any develop cooking and the brain power afforded by the increased calories, things could get planet of the apes weird.
ummm....You may have missed this.
npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/06/03/411748170/chimps-are-no-chumps-give-them-an-oven-theyll-learn-to-cook0 -
Okay, dude I have to admit that was really funny.tincanonastring wrote: »Look for people with jailbars over their avatar.
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I've of the same opinion. I believe that people that are more susceptible more than likely have lower tolerance/immunity for it. But if concern for is it mandatory for any individual, avoid by all means.
For reals? Impressive.I've got a PhD in toxicology, but I'll be over in the chit chat acting a fool most of the time...
So your take on BPA's?
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my take on most things toxicological is to back away from the edge of crazy and be rational about it.
(assuming you mean Bisphenol A there)
I'm not going to go full bore avoiding all products containing it, but it is nice when you can avoid it. There are just immeasurable compounds that have hormone antagonistic and agonistic effects though (and some of the strongest and most relevant being natural from our diet).
I'm of the opinion that most chemicals added to foods or pertaining to foods (as addetives/modifiers) have been studied well enough that there is at worst a "risk" that is acceptable within guidelines established.
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