'calories in-calories out' model might be flawed?

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  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    bcalvanese wrote: »
    mccindy72 wrote: »
    bcalvanese wrote: »
    jerber160 wrote: »
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/17/why-it-s-harder-to-lose-weight-now-than-30-years-ago.html

    Sounds like a lot of hibity jibity to me.

    It is simple, and only has 2 requirements.

    1. Get butt off of couch and walk 5 miles every day.
    2. Don't eat too much.

    Problem solved.

    FIFY.

    Why did you cross out the most important one?

    I crossed out the one that doesn't matter. It's not necessary to exercise at all to lose weight. Exercise is for fitness.
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    bcalvanese wrote: »
    tincanonastring wrote: »
    bcalvanese wrote: »
    In the past 10 months, I have lost 53 pounds, 80% of that is just from walking at least 5 miles every day. The other 20% is from bike riding, kayaking, and ball parking my calories. I basically eat the same as I always have, but I do try to eat healthier. 100% of which is from maintaining a calorie deficit.

    FTFY

    I guess if you want to take a snippet of my post and make it sound the way you want, that's fine, but I'm going to take a doctors word over anyone else's. Especially people on this forum who have the absurd notion that calories only apply to food.

    This is supposed to be a fitness forum, and I never seen so many people who discount exercise in my entire life.

    Maybe some day they will rename it to MyUnFinessPal (MUFP).

    Doctors have about 6 hours of nutritional education. And not much more in regards to fitness, either, unless it's a specialist. You might want to take the word of people who have years of experience. Personally, I've lost weight and maintained it without doing any exercise at all.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    Exercise is wonderful and allows me to eat much more everyday. But I did lose the majority of my weight with diet alone and was very sedentary at the time.

    Successful weight loss can be achieved with or without exercise.
  • tincanonastring
    tincanonastring Posts: 3,944 Member
    edited October 2015
    bcalvanese wrote: »
    tincanonastring wrote: »
    bcalvanese wrote: »
    In the past 10 months, I have lost 53 pounds, 80% of that is just from walking at least 5 miles every day. The other 20% is from bike riding, kayaking, and ball parking my calories. I basically eat the same as I always have, but I do try to eat healthier. 100% of which is from maintaining a calorie deficit.

    FTFY

    I guess if you want to take a snippet of my post and make it sound the way you want, that's fine, but I'm going to take a doctors word over anyone else's. Especially people on this forum who have the absurd notion that calories only apply to food.

    This is supposed to be a fitness forum, and I never seen so many people who discount exercise in my entire life.

    Maybe some day they will rename it to MyUnFinessPal (MUFP).

    Lol. I don't discount exercise. I exercise 6 days a week and highly recommend strength training and cardio. As big a fan as I am of exercise, I have no qualms with saying it has nothing to do with weight management. Many people would have similar improvements in their health markers after losing 50+ pounds.

    This is a thread about the CICO model. In that context, all exercise does is change the CO side of that equation.
  • tmdalton849
    tmdalton849 Posts: 178 Member
    what about folks who are not eating at a deficit and who are nevertheless losing weight (fat, specifically)?
  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    what about folks who are not eating at a deficit and who are nevertheless losing weight (fat, specifically)?

    Which folks?
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    what about folks who are not eating at a deficit and who are nevertheless losing weight (fat, specifically)?

    One can but dream...

    I'd also like to know who these folks are :smile:

  • tmdalton849
    tmdalton849 Posts: 178 Member
    i am.
  • maidentl
    maidentl Posts: 3,203 Member
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    what about folks who are not eating at a deficit and who are nevertheless losing weight (fat, specifically)?

    Those people might want to contact some doctors or scientists because they are medical miracles.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    i am.

    Can you share details?

    Are you low carbing? Or normal macros?

    What are your stats, height, weight, TDEE?

    Sorry about all the questions, I'm just very curious :smile:

  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    i am.

    So you saying science does not apply to you.
  • tmdalton849
    tmdalton849 Posts: 178 Member
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    i am.

    Can you share details?

    Are you low carbing? Or normal macros?

    What are your stats, height, weight, TDEE?

    Sorry about all the questions, I'm just very curious :smile:

    yes, very low carb. 5'4", 159#, what's TDEE?

    no problem, happy to answer questions.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    edited October 2015
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    i am.

    Can you share details?

    Are you low carbing? Or normal macros?

    What are your stats, height, weight, TDEE?

    Sorry about all the questions, I'm just very curious :smile:

    yes, very low carb. 5'4", 159#, what's TDEE?

    no problem, happy to answer questions.

    TDEE is your Total Daily Energy Expenditure. The amount of calories you'd eat to maintain your weight. You can work yours out here:

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/

    How many calories are you eating a day?

    Thanks for answering my questions

  • Train4Foodz
    Train4Foodz Posts: 4,298 Member
    Personally I've never understood how anybody can possibly claim that Calories In - Calories Out is flawed.

    The only possible scenario that I can imagine is that such people are thinking of a calorie in the same way they think of a macro, a calorie is a measurement. It's not a nutrient.

    Without going into too finer detail, were the Calories in v Calories out 'model' flawed, there would be entire generations of people walking around with an entirely different genetic make-up. Now, unless you're about to claim that you're body isn't composed largely of water then I'm sorry but there is no way around calories in v calories out.

    The way that an individual achieves their calories may have an influence on other factors such as muscle retention and general wellbeing but for weight loss or gain, if you consume above your TDEE +/- exercise calories you will gain.. consume below and you will loose.

    High/Low carb, High/Low protein is talking about nutrients not calories.. a completely different topic.

    :)
  • tmdalton849
    tmdalton849 Posts: 178 Member
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    i am.

    Can you share details?

    Are you low carbing? Or normal macros?

    What are your stats, height, weight, TDEE?

    Sorry about all the questions, I'm just very curious :smile:

    yes, very low carb. 5'4", 159#, what's TDEE?

    no problem, happy to answer questions.

    TDEE is your Total Daily Energy Expenditure. The amount of calories you'd eat to maintain your weight. You can work yours out here:

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/

    How many calories are you eating a day?

    Thanks for answering my questions

    according to that calculator, my TDEE would be 1998. i average around 2500-3000 calories a day.
  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    i am.

    Can you share details?

    Are you low carbing? Or normal macros?

    What are your stats, height, weight, TDEE?

    Sorry about all the questions, I'm just very curious :smile:

    yes, very low carb. 5'4", 159#, what's TDEE?

    no problem, happy to answer questions.

    TDEE is your Total Daily Energy Expenditure. The amount of calories you'd eat to maintain your weight. You can work yours out here:

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/

    How many calories are you eating a day?

    Thanks for answering my questions

    according to that calculator, my TDEE would be 1998. i average around 2500-3000 calories a day.

    Wow!!
  • maidentl
    maidentl Posts: 3,203 Member
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    i am.

    Can you share details?

    Are you low carbing? Or normal macros?

    What are your stats, height, weight, TDEE?

    Sorry about all the questions, I'm just very curious :smile:

    yes, very low carb. 5'4", 159#, what's TDEE?

    no problem, happy to answer questions.

    TDEE is your Total Daily Energy Expenditure. The amount of calories you'd eat to maintain your weight. You can work yours out here:

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/

    How many calories are you eating a day?

    Thanks for answering my questions

    according to that calculator, my TDEE would be 1998. i average around 2500-3000 calories a day.

    TDEE is an estimate. Yours is obviously higher than that.
  • tmdalton849
    tmdalton849 Posts: 178 Member
    maidentl wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    i am.

    Can you share details?

    Are you low carbing? Or normal macros?

    What are your stats, height, weight, TDEE?

    Sorry about all the questions, I'm just very curious :smile:

    yes, very low carb. 5'4", 159#, what's TDEE?

    no problem, happy to answer questions.

    TDEE is your Total Daily Energy Expenditure. The amount of calories you'd eat to maintain your weight. You can work yours out here:

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/

    How many calories are you eating a day?

    Thanks for answering my questions

    according to that calculator, my TDEE would be 1998. i average around 2500-3000 calories a day.

    TDEE is an estimate. Yours is obviously higher than that.

    (:

    okay.
  • tmdalton849
    tmdalton849 Posts: 178 Member
    maidentl wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    christinev297 wrote: »
    tmdalton849 wrote: »
    i am.

    Can you share details?

    Are you low carbing? Or normal macros?

    What are your stats, height, weight, TDEE?

    Sorry about all the questions, I'm just very curious :smile:

    yes, very low carb. 5'4", 159#, what's TDEE?

    no problem, happy to answer questions.

    TDEE is your Total Daily Energy Expenditure. The amount of calories you'd eat to maintain your weight. You can work yours out here:

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/

    How many calories are you eating a day?

    Thanks for answering my questions

    according to that calculator, my TDEE would be 1998. i average around 2500-3000 calories a day.

    TDEE is an estimate. Yours is obviously higher than that.

    how high do you presume it would be? i have lost around 20# in about 6 months (no, not all water weight - it's been slow but steady), have gained musculature, and have exercised little.

    oh, and i just turned 40.

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