The barb is in the Carb
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I've tried low carb a couple of times in the past and I always end up low energy and constipated, lol, so now I just eat a wide variety of foods and I feel healthy and satisfied.0
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Heres a low carb tip for that weekend drink sake
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Hi I am new to this and I wanna say the low carb theory makes the most sense to me. Please share with me your low carb thought and ideas. Mahalo
What is the "low carb theory"? I'm not familiar with that.
I think eating low carb is a fine way to reduce calories if you enjoy eating that way. It's never seemed like a way of eating I would stick with long term so I've not tried it. I strive for a high fiber diet so naturally I eat a fair bit of carbs.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Hi I am new to this and I wanna say the low carb theory makes the most sense to me. Please share with me your low carb thought and ideas. Mahalo
What is the "low carb theory"? I'm not familiar with that.
I think eating low carb is a fine way to reduce calories if you enjoy eating that way. It's never seemed like a way of eating I would stick with long term so I've not tried it. I strive for a high fiber diet so naturally I eat a fair bit of carbs.
Probably the theory about carbs causing a rise insulin, which tells your body to store fat. That does make sense, but it's only single piece of the puzzle. What doesn't make sense to me about some low carb diets (atkins) is that they ignore these points:
1. if there aren't any excess calories to store as fat (because you're in a calorie deficit), then it doesn't matter.
2. excess energy from fat will be stored as fat if not needed- without your body needing to do an mucking about with insulin.
3. the body is storing and burning fat on and off through the day, so if it does store a bit of excess fat after dinner, what's the problem if it's burnt off again (and more) by breakfast?
I wonder what it would take to keep your body in a perpetually fat burning state? Even someone who has been fasting will presumably store some fat after a 500 calorie meal unless they immediately engage in physical exercise?
Sorry OP, I've nothing against low carb diets if people find them comfortable to stick to, or like the menu, or have medical reasons for it. I just have some questions about its claims that I've not seen satisfactory answers to.0 -
Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha1
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Your body stores fat, not carbs, and you get rid of that by eating at a deficit. Eat low carb all you want if it helps you maintain a calorie deficit, just realize what you said makes no sense.0
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Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.2 -
Things that have proven, demonstrable, and repeatable results make the most sense to me. I tried low carb and ended up eating lots of calories, resulting in virtually no long-term weight loss.
Conversely, I then did the research into the idea that you can eat whatever you want as long as you maintain a calorie deficit, then came here and started logging. In the last 85 days I've lost at exactly the rate predicted by MFP. I'll take those results over low carb any day of the week.
The long and short is that low carb will work, as long as you eat at a caloric deficit.1 -
Hi I am new to this and I wanna say the low carb theory makes the most sense to me. Please share with me your low carb thought and ideas. Mahalo
If you are comfortable with the idea of eating low carb, then go for it. There's even a low carb group here on MFP. Realize though, that you lose weight by eating fewer calories than you burn. Eating low carb is just one way of eating; and is independent of weight loss. You still need to reduce your calories to below your TDEE to lose weight. For some good information, read this: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1235566/so-youre-new-here/p1
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Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
I disagree with this . please explain further. How does your body store a carb ?0 -
thorsmom01 wrote: »Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
I disagree with this . please explain further. How does your body store a carb ?
Perhaps some would consider stored glycogen to be "storing carbs", although I'm not sure if that's technically correct. But your body only has limited capacities to store glycogen and it can be readily depleted.0 -
Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
Your body doesnt store carbs, it breaks carbs down into glucose and is stored as glycogen. Switching to a lchf diet will deplete glycogen but on low carb diets you burn dietary fats. Ultimately, you still need a deficit to lose weight.
But if this lifestyle helps you achieve your goals keep going.0 -
thorsmom01 wrote: »Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
I disagree with this . please explain further. How does your body store a carb ?
Perhaps some would consider stored glycogen to be "storing carbs", although I'm not sure if that's technically correct. But your body only has limited capacities to store glycogen and it can be readily depleted.
That's sorta kinda what I thought he was trying to say...0 -
Great idea.
Good luck.0 -
I like my carbs.
I have to moderate them because I am T2Dm.
I still DO NOT eat low carb and:
My average blood glucose (as measured by the A1C test) is always in the 5.3-5.4 range, which is normal.0 -
thorsmom01 wrote: »Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
I disagree with this . please explain further. How does your body store a carb ?
Perhaps some would consider stored glycogen to be "storing carbs", although I'm not sure if that's technically correct. But your body only has limited capacities to store glycogen and it can be readily depleted.
That's a whole different word. Words matter when online. We can't go by what he maybe meant, we can only go by what he wrote.0 -
Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
Your body doesnt store carbs, it breaks carbs down into glucose and is stored as glycogen. Switching to a lchf diet will deplete glycogen but on low carb diets you burn dietary fats. Ultimately, you still need a deficit to lose weight.
But if this lifestyle helps you achieve your goals keep going.
Did your wife give birth @psulemon ?! Congratulations!! Boy baby lemon or girl baby lemon ?0 -
Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.
Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.3 -
Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.
Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.
That is your perception. You act like all of us on isocaloric or higher carb diets struggle to stay satieted. I rarely ever have issues with satiety. Probably because i eat moderate protein 1g per lb of lbm), aim for 30g+ of fiber and aim for volume foods.
And on a side note, calorie for calorie, starches and most carba fill me up as compared to fats. Sirloins fill me up more than rib eye or prime rib. A potato significantly fills me up for than nuts.
And seriously, CICO is not a diet or way of eating.1 -
Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.
Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.
I addressed that in a previous post and my comment about "the right balance" can help keep someone in a deficit addresses that. I didn't say he absolutely had to have the same amount of carbs I do. If low carb helps someone stay in a deficit it's the right balance for them.
By the way, none of us have ever said to go high carb and low fat. We're here letting him know that low carb isn't necessary for fat loss. That way if he fails to stick to low carb he isn't afraid to try other macro combos.1 -
Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.
Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.
The whole point of CICO is to find the right balance for you. It may mean high carb, it may mean low carb, or it may mean moderate carb. Every person is different and, in the long run, it does not matter how they achieve a calorie deficit. The point is to get that deficit in order to lose weight.1 -
Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.
Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.
Let me guess. You believe most "CICO folks" just eat a lot of junk food, right?0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »Let me guess. You believe most "CICO folks" just eat a lot of junk food, right?
Twinkies, Pop Tarts and ice cream all day, right?
I mean, there's no such thing as "moderation" or a "balanced diet". Nosireebob. Either you eat The One True Low Carb Way, or you shovel nothing but carb-laden junk into your pie hole all the livelong day. 1 -
hamlet1222 wrote: »Probably the theory about carbs causing a rise insulin, which tells your body to store fat. That does make sense, but it's only single piece of the puzzle. What doesn't make sense to me about some low carb diets (atkins) is that they ignore these points:
2. excess energy from fat will be stored as fat if not needed- without your body needing to do an mucking about with insulin.
That's part of the point. Insulin is connected to carbs - not fats or proteins. Insulin rising and falling is connected to hunger. Remove or cut down the carbs, and you flatten the insulin peaks and troughs, and you have less roller coaster hunger.
The mucking about with insulin is how our bodies are programmed. It isn't something you do if you are eating low carb. Eating low carb is a way to curb the impact.
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Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha
That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.
Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.
The "CICO folks?" Since CICO is a basic principle of energy balance, regardless of the food choices one makes and the macro goals they follow... Aren't we all "CICO Folks"?
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That's part of the point. Insulin is connected to carbs - not fats or proteins. Insulin rising and falling is connected to hunger. Remove or cut down the carbs, and you flatten the insulin peaks and troughs, and you have less roller coaster hunger.
The mucking about with insulin is how our bodies are programmed. It isn't something you do if you are eating low carb. Eating low carb is a way to curb the impact.
Except that protein is as insulogenic as carbohydrates. It causes a lower BG spike, but the insulin reaction is very similar between the two substrates.1 -
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Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.
While I, like most people, find protein the most satisfying of any macronutrient, I find starch to be much more filling than fat. 400 calories of pasta can keep me full for many hours.
Yes, sweets tend not to be very filling for the calories, but not all carbs are sweets.0 -
I have been low carb (<30g day) for 3 years.
Lost 94 lbs so far.
I did it to have good blood sugar and it works great for that.
My fasting is in the 70s and 80s, A1C 4.8.
CICO is only partly useful. Your body treats calories from sources differently.
If you have metabolic syndrome or similar, it is even more obvious.
Carbs raise blood sugar generating an insulin response. If one is insulin resistant, the insulin stores what was glucose in fat cells, leaving cells still in need of fuel...thus hunger returns even though one in theory ate enough calories.
CICO is too simple. We are not machines. Various hormones can react with what we eat.
Female rats that have had ovariectomies gain weight whether they eat the amounts regular rats eat, or a restricted diet. If calorie restricted, they become lethargic and lose muscle mass, yet the fat stays. They don't begin losing weight until estrogen is returned to them. CICO may be true (as they become lethargic and expend less energy), but it tells us nothing and won't solve the problem.
Getting fat because one eats too much is like saying people are alcoholic because they drink too much.
The real issue is WHY someone is still hungry after eating enough , just like WHY someone drinks to excess.0 -
rankinsect wrote: »
This is true. Protein has about 1/2 the response that carbs do. So people that have insulin resistance can get positive results by reducing protein and upping fat to over 75% of calories.2
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