The barb is in the Carb

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  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Interesting how the LC folks always assume everyone not on LC is starving of hunger all day long.
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    rankinsect wrote: »
    neohdiver wrote: »
    That's part of the point. Insulin is connected to carbs - not fats or proteins.

    Not true. Protein actually causes a significant insulin response as well - insulin also is the hormone that tells muscle to store protein.

    This is true. Protein has about 1/2 the response that carbs do. So people that have insulin resistance can get positive results by reducing protein and upping fat to over 75% of calories.

    They CAN, but it's not required. Several people have already posted in this thread that they have insulin resistance and are fine with great numbers on moderate carbs.

    Carbs should be treated as a sliding scale since there is no required minimum; people need to find a level that works for them.
  • ettaterrell
    ettaterrell Posts: 887 Member
    Interesting how the LC folks always assume everyone not on LC is starving of hunger all day long.

    No I don't think everyone is starving, I can only speak for myself. If I get hungry I can't stick to a WOE and eating CICO i got hungry a lot... (I realize now because I listened to others saying "eat what you want in moderation".) my body responds to what I put in it and artificial sweeteners/sugar makes me crave things. With LCHF I don't crave food, even hubby skinny self ate white chocolate Oreos in front of me lastnight and no cravings. I also loose more weight in a week with this diet, and right now that's important to me.... When I get the last 30 lbs off I'll start focusing on adding carbs back and lowering fat intake but for now it works for me. To each their own and good luck everyone!
  • zoeysasha37
    zoeysasha37 Posts: 7,088 Member
    Interesting how the LC folks always assume everyone not on LC is starving of hunger all day long.

    Yep and they also assume we eat fast food burgers and poptarts all day. Lol !
  • beahz1
    beahz1 Posts: 69 Member
    No need to argue in here or judge just be positive with what works for you don't bash on others....this place is for sharing not judging smh.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    beahz1 wrote: »
    No need to argue in here or judge just be positive with what works for you don't bash on others....this place is for sharing not judging smh.

    Anything other than full support of every idea is bashing?

    And are you sure that's what this place is for? Based on what?
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    beahz1 wrote: »
    No need to argue in here or judge just be positive with what works for you don't bash on others....this place is for sharing not judging smh.

    OK positive and sharing coming up....

    I'm positive that when someone posts something factually incorrect or misleading it's better the mistake is pointed out (sharing knowledge) than leave them in the dark.

    Neither silence or cheering someone on is at all positive or helpful if it leads people to make mistakes or reinforces ignorance.

    If you see "bashing" then best to quote the offending item or style of delivery.
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    facts aren't bashing...
  • MikeAV8s
    MikeAV8s Posts: 85 Member
    OP, there is nothing wrong with giving a low carb diet a try, if it doesn't work for you, try something else. At the end of the day you just have to be on the negative side of the energy equation to lose weight. There are many ways to get there, find one that fits your personality/lifestyle/tastes etc. As far as the judging/bashing etc., welcome to the internet and MFP, there are strong opinions here on every side of every topic and almost every thread of this type goes this way. Pick nuggets from this and do the best you can. Good luck!
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited November 2015
    psulemon wrote: »
    lodro wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.

    Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.

    That is your perception. You act like all of us on isocaloric or higher carb diets struggle to stay satieted. I rarely ever have issues with satiety. Probably because i eat moderate protein 1g per lb of lbm), aim for 30g+ of fiber and aim for volume foods.

    And on a side note, calorie for calorie, starches and most carba fill me up as compared to fats. Sirloins fill me up more than rib eye or prime rib. A potato significantly fills me up for than nuts.

    And seriously, CICO is not a diet or way of eating.

    All of this. I don't know why people assume that we all have the same reaction to foods or imagine that anyone on a non low carb calorie deficit must be starving. On average, fat, not carbs, is the least satiating macro according to the studies I've seen, and while I believe those who say it fills them up, it doesn't me. Protein does, especially lean protein, and fiber and starches of some sorts (like potatoes) do too. And so do fruit and vegetables.

    Also, as you said and others have said, but worth repeating again, as it's being ignored: CICO is not a way of eating or a particular kind of diet. Low carb is one of numerous possible ways to make CI < CO (assuming one wants to lose weight), or CI=CO (if one wants to maintain), or CI>CO (if one is trying to gain).
  • beahz1
    beahz1 Posts: 69 Member
    edited November 2015
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    No need to argue in here or judge just be positive with what works for you don't bash on others....this place is for sharing not judging smh.

    Anything other than full support of every idea is bashing?

    And are you sure that's what this place is for? Based on what?

    I never said full support of every idea.... I said don't judge or bash what works for others.

    [Edited by mfp mod]
  • rankinsect
    rankinsect Posts: 2,238 Member
    Carbs raise blood sugar generating an insulin response. If one is insulin resistant, the insulin stores what was glucose in fat cells, leaving cells still in need of fuel...thus hunger returns even though one in theory ate enough calories.

    Just the opposite. In a healthy person, insulin will store excess carbs as fat and glycogen. In an insulin resistant person, the excess carbs linger in the blood longer. Insulin is a carbohydrate and protein storage protein.

    The tendency for obese people to not feel satiated is probably leptin resistance, not insulin resistance. And yes, very sugary foods tend not to be very filling for most people, yet starchy foods often are.

    In the studies that led to the creation of the "fullness factor", the things that increased satiety were lower calorie density, lower fat, higher protein, and higher fiber - other carbs don't even factor in except in total calories.
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    edited November 2015
    beahz1 wrote: »
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    No need to argue in here or judge just be positive with what works for you don't bash on others....this place is for sharing not judging smh.

    Anything other than full support of every idea is bashing?

    And are you sure that's what this place is for? Based on what?

    I never said full support of every idea.... I said don't judge or bash what works for others.

    Can you please point out where someone was judging or bashing what works for others? I don't see that anywhere in this thread. People have said that going low carb is not necessary for weight loss - that is a true statement. People have also said that if you find low carb to be a sustainable way of eating for you, then go for it. People have also tried to clarify some scientific points about how carbs are processed in the body of individuals with different medical conditions. Not sure how any of those things is bashing or judgmental?
  • Meganthedogmom
    Meganthedogmom Posts: 1,639 Member
    Low carb didn't work for me because I couldn't realistically eat that way for the rest of my life. I did it for a while and lost 30 pounds, then gained it all back and then some when I went off the diet.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    lodro wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.

    Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.

    I eat a moderate amount of all three macros and do just fine and did just fine when cutting...this notion that carbs make everyone extra hungry and that you can't possibly be satiated if you eat carbs is fecking stupid.
  • ettaterrell
    ettaterrell Posts: 887 Member
    In pretty sure he is referring to the smarty comments that was said playing innocent doesn't make you innocent.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited November 2015
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Carbs raise blood sugar generating an insulin response. If one is insulin resistant, the insulin stores what was glucose in fat cells, leaving cells still in need of fuel...thus hunger returns even though one in theory ate enough calories.

    Just the opposite. In a healthy person, insulin will store excess carbs as fat and glycogen. In an insulin resistant person, the excess carbs linger in the blood longer. Insulin is a carbohydrate and protein storage protein.

    The tendency for obese people to not feel satiated is probably leptin resistance, not insulin resistance. And yes, very sugary foods tend not to be very filling for most people, yet starchy foods often are.

    Question: doesn't the spike in blood glucose also lead to hunger? In someone normally sensitive to insulin the surge of insulin prevents this, as it prevents a spike in blood glucose, but someone IR would not have that occur -- not because insulin is bad, but because it is unable to do its job properly.

    What I find frustrating about the focus on insulin/storing carbs as glycogen and then fat is that not only presumes (incorrectly) that insulin is bad, but seems to assume that fat and protein aren't also stored as fat, and of course they are (if overall calories are in excess you gain fat, no matter the source of the calories). Indeed, fat is easier to store as fat, as it wouldn't be stored as glycogen first (as would be the body's tendency with carbs -- to use them as fuel).

    My understanding too is that it's not true, as is commonly stated on this forum, that you only burn fat if doing some kind of low carb thing. You burn what you eat, and that includes fat as well as glycogen (although during hard cardio glycogen will be strongly preferred). And of course this is also why fat burning vs. "carb" burning exercise is irrelevant -- the overall deficit is what matters and the body takes the fuel it needs from what is available.

    Also, of course, both IR and leptin resistance tend to improve through increased exercise.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    Interesting how the LC folks always assume everyone not on LC is starving of hunger all day long.

    they tend to make a lot of assumptions it seems...
  • rankinsect
    rankinsect Posts: 2,238 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Carbs raise blood sugar generating an insulin response. If one is insulin resistant, the insulin stores what was glucose in fat cells, leaving cells still in need of fuel...thus hunger returns even though one in theory ate enough calories.

    Just the opposite. In a healthy person, insulin will store excess carbs as fat and glycogen. In an insulin resistant person, the excess carbs linger in the blood longer. Insulin is a carbohydrate and protein storage protein.

    The tendency for obese people to not feel satiated is probably leptin resistance, not insulin resistance. And yes, very sugary foods tend not to be very filling for most people, yet starchy foods often are.

    Question: doesn't the spike in blood glucose also lead to hunger? In someone normally sensitive to insulin the surge of insulin prevents this, as it prevents a spike in blood glucose, but someone IR would not have that occur -- not because insulin is bad, but because it is unable to do its job properly.

    What I find frustrating about the focus on insulin/storing carbs as glycogen and then fat is that not only presumes (incorrectly) that insulin is bad, but seems to assume that fat and protein aren't also stored as fat, and of course they are (if overall calories are in excess you gain fat, no matter the source of the calories). Indeed, fat is easier to store as fat, as it wouldn't be stored as glycogen first (as would be the body's tendency with carbs -- to use them as fuel).

    My understanding too is that it's not true, as is commonly stated on this forum, that you only burn fat if doing some kind of low carb thing. You burn what you eat, and that includes fat as well as glycogen (although during hard cardio glycogen will be strongly preferred). And of course this is also why fat burning vs. "carb" burning exercise is irrelevant -- the overall deficit is what matters and the body takes the fuel it needs from what is available.

    Also, of course, both IR and leptin resistance tend to improve through increased exercise.

    I don't know if blood glucose itself causes hunger as much as it is that insulin and leptin are no longer able to inhibit hunger due to resistance to their effects.

    And you are correct, you can burn fat without depleting all of your carb stores. Many of us have proven to do just that.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    edited November 2015
    beahz1 wrote: »
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    No need to argue in here or judge just be positive with what works for you don't bash on others....this place is for sharing not judging smh.

    Anything other than full support of every idea is bashing?

    And are you sure that's what this place is for? Based on what?

    I never said full support of every idea.... I said don't judge or bash what works for others.

    But back to your post. So which of the comments made so far did you find so inappropriate that would cause you to make such an admonishing post? For those who are doing it wrong, how should they have done it differently? Have you ever considered leading by example instead of making vague posts calling out unnamed offenders for their inappropriate posts?
  • gmallan
    gmallan Posts: 2,099 Member
    lodro wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.

    Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.

    Well not being low carb doesn't automatically mean that a person eats high carb. I really like my moderate carb, moderate fat, moderate (although probably high compared to the general population) protein diet and find that it keeps me very satiated. Vegetables contain a lot of carbs and are also very filling IMHO. White potatos have been shown to be the most satiating food and are very high in carbs. If I drop carbs too low, it has the opposite effect for me; I feel hungry all the time, my energy levels go south and my workouts tank.

    I don't think amny people here are saying you should never go low carb. For some people it might work very well and may also be medically necessary. Just pointing out that it's not the only way and whatever you choose a calorie deficit is still required.

  • sweetsriracha23
    sweetsriracha23 Posts: 14 Member
    edited November 2015
    Back when I lived in Nashville, I went to see a Nurse Practitioner who specialized in weight loss. T. Taylor Mincey in Hendersonville for anyone local to Nashville - highly recommend! She's personally kept off 80 pounds for over a decade, so she really "gets it." Mincey helped me get my first 66 pounds off.

    Anyway, in the diet consultation, she told me that she feels that sometimes people don't react well to having too many options. I know that's not true for everyone, but it's true for me. Sticking to a limited menu of options (low-carb) allows me to eat better and binge less than I would if I were purely focusing on CICO.

    I also saw a M.D. in Nashville who stated that PCOS patients like me have limited success with calorie restriction and respond best to low-carb. I'm not sure that's true, but I do know that many other people with PCOS find it extremely difficult to lose weight on any diet.

    So, that's why I'm focused on both keto eating (~20 g of carbs a day or less) and CICO. I know many people can do well on an unlimited menu and pure calorie restriction, but I'm just not one of them right now. In maintenance, I'll find a happy balance of moderate carb and maintenance calories.
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    Your body doesnt store carbs, it breaks carbs down into glucose and is stored as glycogen. Switching to a lchf diet will deplete glycogen but on low carb diets you burn dietary fats. Ultimately, you still need a deficit to lose weight.


    But if this lifestyle helps you achieve your goals keep going.

    Glycogen is a polysaccharide and therefore still a carbohydrate.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    gmallan wrote: »
    lodro wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.

    Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.

    Well not being low carb doesn't automatically mean that a person eats high carb. I really like my moderate carb, moderate fat, moderate (although probably high compared to the general population) protein diet and find that it keeps me very satiated. Vegetables contain a lot of carbs and are also very filling IMHO. White potatos have been shown to be the most satiating food and are very high in carbs. If I drop carbs too low, it has the opposite effect for me; I feel hungry all the time, my energy levels go south and my workouts tank.

    I don't think amny people here are saying you should never go low carb. For some people it might work very well and may also be medically necessary. Just pointing out that it's not the only way and whatever you choose a calorie deficit is still required.

    I think many of the low carb zealots are so used to living in the extremes that they don't realize that balance and moderation even exist...if you're not low carb you must be eating all the carbs...and they're probably mostly cake and soda.

    the notion of a well balanced diet seems to be foreign to many these days.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    gmallan wrote: »
    lodro wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.

    Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.

    Well not being low carb doesn't automatically mean that a person eats high carb. I really like my moderate carb, moderate fat, moderate (although probably high compared to the general population) protein diet and find that it keeps me very satiated. Vegetables contain a lot of carbs and are also very filling IMHO. White potatos have been shown to be the most satiating food and are very high in carbs. If I drop carbs too low, it has the opposite effect for me; I feel hungry all the time, my energy levels go south and my workouts tank.

    I don't think amny people here are saying you should never go low carb. For some people it might work very well and may also be medically necessary. Just pointing out that it's not the only way and whatever you choose a calorie deficit is still required.

    I think many of the low carb zealots are so used to living in the extremes that they don't realize that balance and moderation even exist...if you're not low carb you must be eating all the carbs...and they're probably mostly cake and soda.

    the notion of a well balanced diet seems to be foreign to many these days.

    We get it! We get it!!! You CICO people just want to justify sitting around eating nothing but Twinkies, ice cream, and pop tarts.

    Fine. You do that. But some of us actually care what we put into our bodies.



    Did I do that right?
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
    lodro wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.

    Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.

    Empirically, the fact that some people do lose weight okay on MFP says that it isn't always an issue.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    gmallan wrote: »
    lodro wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.

    Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.

    Well not being low carb doesn't automatically mean that a person eats high carb. I really like my moderate carb, moderate fat, moderate (although probably high compared to the general population) protein diet and find that it keeps me very satiated. Vegetables contain a lot of carbs and are also very filling IMHO. White potatos have been shown to be the most satiating food and are very high in carbs. If I drop carbs too low, it has the opposite effect for me; I feel hungry all the time, my energy levels go south and my workouts tank.

    I don't think amny people here are saying you should never go low carb. For some people it might work very well and may also be medically necessary. Just pointing out that it's not the only way and whatever you choose a calorie deficit is still required.

    I think many of the low carb zealots are so used to living in the extremes that they don't realize that balance and moderation even exist...if you're not low carb you must be eating all the carbs...and they're probably mostly cake and soda.

    the notion of a well balanced diet seems to be foreign to many these days.

    We get it! We get it!!! You CICO people just want to justify sitting around eating nothing but Twinkies, ice cream, and pop tarts.

    Fine. You do that. But some of us actually care what we put into our bodies.



    Did I do that right?

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  • gmallan
    gmallan Posts: 2,099 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    gmallan wrote: »
    lodro wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.

    Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.

    Well not being low carb doesn't automatically mean that a person eats high carb. I really like my moderate carb, moderate fat, moderate (although probably high compared to the general population) protein diet and find that it keeps me very satiated. Vegetables contain a lot of carbs and are also very filling IMHO. White potatos have been shown to be the most satiating food and are very high in carbs. If I drop carbs too low, it has the opposite effect for me; I feel hungry all the time, my energy levels go south and my workouts tank.

    I don't think amny people here are saying you should never go low carb. For some people it might work very well and may also be medically necessary. Just pointing out that it's not the only way and whatever you choose a calorie deficit is still required.

    I think many of the low carb zealots are so used to living in the extremes that they don't realize that balance and moderation even exist...if you're not low carb you must be eating all the carbs...and they're probably mostly cake and soda.

    the notion of a well balanced diet seems to be foreign to many these days.

    Diet extremism is a pet hate of mine. We now know that low fat isn't good for you, it doesn't necessarily mean that high fat is the way to go either. It annoys me how people forget that there's a middle ground

  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    senecarr wrote: »
    lodro wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.

    Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.

    Empirically, the fact that some people do lose weight okay on MFP says that it isn't always an issue.

    When I drop weight, I'm sometimes hungry. Know what happens then? Nothing. Except I'm hungry.

    Personally, I believe people should spend less time trying to figure out how not to occasionally be hungry and instead learn that being hungry isn't necessarily a bad thing...and that might just take some practice. (It also helps if that hunger is from a reasonable deficit and not a survival mechanism in response to too large of a deficit.)
  • gmallan
    gmallan Posts: 2,099 Member
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    gmallan wrote: »
    lodro wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    beahz1 wrote: »
    Here's my thought with low carb.....I have a good amount of stored carbs and fat on my body. 262 pounds of which maybe 60-70 pounds are fat and stored carbs. Why is my body storing it? because I eat more than I need to use for energy and living. So it's a reserve, well stop filling the reserve and start using it for energy and to live.....burn it. How you ask STOP eating carbs and force your body to burn the stored supply. Once the save supply is used a accurate calculation must be re established to figure out what you burn a day what you consume a day and formulate a balanced regimen that promotes maintenance. It's a long road that requires discipline mathematics and commitment. I am at the beginning of this journey and will post my progress. Aloha

    That's not how it works. If you are in a surplus and eat no carbs you'll still store fat. If you are in a deficit and eat only carbs you'll burn fat. Weight loss is simply about calorie balance. The right balance of carbs, fat and protein can help with body composition as you lose and can help keep you in a deficit, but cutting carbs out is not the secret to losing weight.

    Interesting how the CICO folks always leave out one factor: hunger. Try dealing with that on your calorie restricted, high carb, low fat diet. Good luck.

    Well not being low carb doesn't automatically mean that a person eats high carb. I really like my moderate carb, moderate fat, moderate (although probably high compared to the general population) protein diet and find that it keeps me very satiated. Vegetables contain a lot of carbs and are also very filling IMHO. White potatos have been shown to be the most satiating food and are very high in carbs. If I drop carbs too low, it has the opposite effect for me; I feel hungry all the time, my energy levels go south and my workouts tank.

    I don't think amny people here are saying you should never go low carb. For some people it might work very well and may also be medically necessary. Just pointing out that it's not the only way and whatever you choose a calorie deficit is still required.

    I think many of the low carb zealots are so used to living in the extremes that they don't realize that balance and moderation even exist...if you're not low carb you must be eating all the carbs...and they're probably mostly cake and soda.

    the notion of a well balanced diet seems to be foreign to many these days.

    We get it! We get it!!! You CICO people just want to justify sitting around eating nothing but Twinkies, ice cream, and pop tarts.

    Fine. You do that. But some of us actually care what we put into our bodies.



    Did I do that right?

    Spot on I think hahaha
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