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  • FatMoojor
    FatMoojor Posts: 483 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    I guess it may sometimes be seen as bragging?? "I eat all the junk I can fit into my calories". Obviously not in those exact words, but that is how it sometimes comes across.
    Possibly. I get people that comment all the time that they can't believe I can eat pizza, fast food, and processed foods and not gain. But, then again they are only hearing about the junk food and not the other 80% of the time of nutritious eating.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    I think one of the challenges is you're a active in shape individual that burns a bunch of calories. You or someone like yourself can get proper nutrition (your macros and micros) eating 80% nutritious. For someone on a lower calorie diet, it's going to be much more difficult to get needed nutrition if 20% of say 1500 calories come from candy, cakes, chips, ice cream, etc.

    Well I can hit my macro requirements in 1200 calories if I chose to. Leaving the 20% (300 calories) for chips (85 cals), Ice cream (90 cals), cookies (72 cals) because I choose the ones I like (eg Walkers pops / Quavers - Solero / Fab, McVities Rich Tea)

    And it's not like the less nutritiously rich foods you mention don't help with hitting macros too

    But it's about choice - there's no reason why people can't manage it - even if it's difficult - if they choose to / if it's important to their wellbeing

    Take a 1200 calorie diet to a registered dietician where 20% of the calories are from nutritionally less dense food (chips, cookies, candy, cake, etc) and get their thoughts .

    Why would their thoughts matter? If you are hitting your macro requirements, it doesn't mater how your intake is made up.

    Well, macros, micros and sufficient variety. Oh, and low nitrates, low trans fats, not too much iron, mix your vegetables (not too much kale or broccoli)....

    Yeah, it doesn't matter. :sick:


    are you saying it does matter or it doesn't - my filter is off

    I'm saying intake matters - it isn't just macros.
    One of the great ironies of trying to get healthy are those people that decide to go all natural and end up eating too much monolithic foods:

    too much carrots -- make you ill
    too much kale and broccoli -- make you ill
    too much vitamins - I think you get where this is going

    A phrase like "If you are hitting your macro requirements, it doesn't mater (sic) how your intake is made up." is wrong. Dietary composition matters, what doesn't matter is dat der donut or dat der sushi. Total composition matters, single items do not.

    There is a difference in context.

    I would generally assume that if someone was consuming say 1500 calories and that they intake consisted of say 50% carbs, 30% Fat, 20% protein and that they were hitting those percentages and also staying within the 1500 calorie range that there is a very good chance that they aren't eating too many carrots or too much kale and broccoli.

    Please explain to me how someone could hit their calorie count and all their macros and their dietary composition be completely out of whack? I would be very interested in a daily diary entry for that.

    My perceptive - you can see if a lot with people converting to lifestyles (vegetarian/vegan or lchf) without educating themselves on what foods are requires to address nutritional requirements (protein in vegetarians, too low fat intake in lchf or even too little sodium). In fact, i have known a few people hospitalized for it.

    But then you have people who aren't hitting their macros and therefore are removed from the group of people who are doing as I said and are hitting calories and their macros.

  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    I guess it may sometimes be seen as bragging?? "I eat all the junk I can fit into my calories". Obviously not in those exact words, but that is how it sometimes comes across.
    Possibly. I get people that comment all the time that they can't believe I can eat pizza, fast food, and processed foods and not gain. But, then again they are only hearing about the junk food and not the other 80% of the time of nutritious eating.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    I think one of the challenges is you're a active in shape individual that burns a bunch of calories. You or someone like yourself can get proper nutrition (your macros and micros) eating 80% nutritious. For someone on a lower calorie diet, it's going to be much more difficult to get needed nutrition if 20% of say 1500 calories come from candy, cakes, chips, ice cream, etc.

    Well I can hit my macro requirements in 1200 calories if I chose to. Leaving the 20% (300 calories) for chips (85 cals), Ice cream (90 cals), cookies (72 cals) because I choose the ones I like (eg Walkers pops / Quavers - Solero / Fab, McVities Rich Tea)

    And it's not like the less nutritiously rich foods you mention don't help with hitting macros too

    But it's about choice - there's no reason why people can't manage it - even if it's difficult - if they choose to / if it's important to their wellbeing

    Take a 1200 calorie a day diet to a registered dietician where 20% of the calories are from nutritionally less dense food (chips, cookies, candy, cake, etc) and get their thoughts .
    Why would the fact that different people have different amount of "flexible" calories available invalidate the concept?
  • Bama1818
    Bama1818 Posts: 32 Member
    Im hitting around 2200 calories a day started into weight lifting about three weeks ago on top of doing cardio. My stats are male, 30, 255lbs , 6'2 height. Im not noticing the scale move at all past two weeks. I usually run 50P/30C/20F macros. My diary should be open so any help would be greatly appreciated.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    125goals wrote: »
    Why is hitting your micros so important and what if you don't hit them?

    "Micros" is just another way to refer to vitamins and minerals. If you don't get the vitamins and minerals you need, deficiencies will result.

    But to be clear, our bodies don't work on a 24 hour clock. Maintaining nutritional health isn't dependent on hitting some magic number in every category every day. This is why variety is good...and likely more important than other qualities that get more focus (such as organic, "clean", etc).

    I suspect a dirty diet with variety will likely be healthier than a monolithic clean diet.

    One benefit though...it leads to those humorously ridiculous comparisons of extremes where people argue 1500 calories of broccoli is healthier than 1500 calories of doughnuts. (It isn't.)
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    edited November 2015
    125goals wrote: »
    Why is hitting your micros so important and what if you don't hit them?

    "Micros" is just another way to refer to vitamins and minerals. If you don't get the vitamins and minerals you need, deficiencies will result.

    Not a very satisfying answer - Deficiency means "not getting enough vitamins"...

    The issue is that it can lead any of a variety of issues such as mood disorder, hair loss, bone issue, anaemia, protein absorption issues, increased risk of certain diseases or .... nothing at all.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    125goals wrote: »
    Why is hitting your micros so important and what if you don't hit them?

    "Micros" is just another way to refer to vitamins and minerals. If you don't get the vitamins and minerals you need, deficiencies will result.

    Not a very satisfying answer - Deficiency means "not getting enough vitamins"...

    The issue is that it can lead any of a variety of issues such as mood disorder, hair loss, bone issue, anaemia, protein absorption issues, increased risk of certain diseases or .... nothing at all.

    I would agree if you mean the answer is "vague," but I don't think that necessarily makes it unsatisfying. Deficiencies have many different symptoms that vary depending on what you're deficient in. That's why I didn't name any specific symptoms.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    125goals wrote: »
    Why is hitting your micros so important and what if you don't hit them?

    "Micros" is just another way to refer to vitamins and minerals. If you don't get the vitamins and minerals you need, deficiencies will result.

    But to be clear, our bodies don't work on a 24 hour clock. Maintaining nutritional health isn't dependent on hitting some magic number in every category every day. This is why variety is good...and likely more important than other qualities that get more focus (such as organic, "clean", etc).

    I suspect a dirty diet with variety will likely be healthier than a monolithic clean diet.

    One benefit though...it leads to those humorously ridiculous comparisons of extremes where people argue 1500 calories of broccoli is healthier than 1500 calories of doughnuts. (It isn't.)

    I agree -- within the context of a 24-hour day, being short in anything isn't going to be an issue.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    Here's one meme to address both psulemon's new baby and the empty calories tangent:

    MEMES-2014-When-Life-Gives-You-Lemons.jpg
  • leanne0627
    leanne0627 Posts: 109 Member
    have a question if any of you can help. I've been exercising and trying to eat healthier for about 8 months now and have lost about 50 lbs and went from a size 18 to a size 9. so I've had some success and i feel great, but i still weigh 180 lbs. im a female about 5 7". it seems i barely ever lose any scale weight yet i keep having to buy new clothes. yet they say you cant build muscle in a deficit so it makes me wonder if im not in a deficit? i should be as i do 2 hours of exercise days a week. i also only seem to lose in chuncks. weight stays the same for 3 weeks then i lose 5 lbs overnight. one time i lose 10 lbs in 3 days after not losing for 5 weeks. it makes it very hard to stay motivated and track my food when no matter what i do im not seeing the scale move. any help or explanations would be great. thank you
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    Here's one meme to address both psulemon's new baby and the empty calories tangent:

    MEMES-2014-When-Life-Gives-You-Lemons.jpg

    Not unless you have someone willing to trade you some limes for those lemons.
  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    leanne0627 wrote: »
    have a question if any of you can help. I've been exercising and trying to eat healthier for about 8 months now and have lost about 50 lbs and went from a size 18 to a size 9. so I've had some success and i feel great, but i still weigh 180 lbs. im a female about 5 7". it seems i barely ever lose any scale weight yet i keep having to buy new clothes. yet they say you cant build muscle in a deficit so it makes me wonder if im not in a deficit? i should be as i do 2 hours of exercise days a week. i also only seem to lose in chuncks. weight stays the same for 3 weeks then i lose 5 lbs overnight. one time i lose 10 lbs in 3 days after not losing for 5 weeks. it makes it very hard to stay motivated and track my food when no matter what i do im not seeing the scale move. any help or explanations would be great. thank you

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  • CoffeeNCardio
    CoffeeNCardio Posts: 1,847 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    I guess it may sometimes be seen as bragging?? "I eat all the junk I can fit into my calories". Obviously not in those exact words, but that is how it sometimes comes across.
    Possibly. I get people that comment all the time that they can't believe I can eat pizza, fast food, and processed foods and not gain. But, then again they are only hearing about the junk food and not the other 80% of the time of nutritious eating.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    I think one of the challenges is you're a active in shape individual that burns a bunch of calories. You or someone like yourself can get proper nutrition (your macros and micros) eating 80% nutritious. For someone on a lower calorie diet, it's going to be much more difficult to get needed nutrition if 20% of say 1500 calories come from candy, cakes, chips, ice cream, etc.

    Well I can hit my macro requirements in 1200 calories if I chose to. Leaving the 20% (300 calories) for chips (85 cals), Ice cream (90 cals), cookies (72 cals) because I choose the ones I like (eg Walkers pops / Quavers - Solero / Fab, McVities Rich Tea)

    And it's not like the less nutritiously rich foods you mention don't help with hitting macros too

    But it's about choice - there's no reason why people can't manage it - even if it's difficult - if they choose to / if it's important to their wellbeing

    Take a 1200 calorie diet to a registered dietician where 20% of the calories are from nutritionally less dense food (chips, cookies, candy, cake, etc) and get their thoughts .

    Why would their thoughts matter? If you are hitting your macro requirements, it doesn't mater how your intake is made up.

    so what is your thought on this statement @psulemon ?
    does it fit with your 80/20 rule, or it is just me struggling again with reading comprehension?

    I wasn't aware that psulemon was the translator of all posts on MFP and the one who determines if everyone's diet was appropriate for them. Wow that's a lot of responsibility @psulemon! You should ask them to double your mod salary! ;)

    Its ok. I am always willing to provide some perspective. And i got time right now while my wife is progressing during her labor.



    When life gives you lemons............... procreate?
  • CoffeeNCardio
    CoffeeNCardio Posts: 1,847 Member
    Congratulations Dad!
  • CoffeeNCardio
    CoffeeNCardio Posts: 1,847 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    I guess it may sometimes be seen as bragging?? "I eat all the junk I can fit into my calories". Obviously not in those exact words, but that is how it sometimes comes across.
    Possibly. I get people that comment all the time that they can't believe I can eat pizza, fast food, and processed foods and not gain. But, then again they are only hearing about the junk food and not the other 80% of the time of nutritious eating.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    I think one of the challenges is you're a active in shape individual that burns a bunch of calories. You or someone like yourself can get proper nutrition (your macros and micros) eating 80% nutritious. For someone on a lower calorie diet, it's going to be much more difficult to get needed nutrition if 20% of say 1500 calories come from candy, cakes, chips, ice cream, etc.

    Well I can hit my macro requirements in 1200 calories if I chose to. Leaving the 20% (300 calories) for chips (85 cals), Ice cream (90 cals), cookies (72 cals) because I choose the ones I like (eg Walkers pops / Quavers - Solero / Fab, McVities Rich Tea)

    And it's not like the less nutritiously rich foods you mention don't help with hitting macros too

    But it's about choice - there's no reason why people can't manage it - even if it's difficult - if they choose to / if it's important to their wellbeing

    Take a 1200 calorie diet to a registered dietician where 20% of the calories are from nutritionally less dense food (chips, cookies, candy, cake, etc) and get their thoughts .

    Why would their thoughts matter? If you are hitting your macro requirements, it doesn't mater how your intake is made up.

    Well, macros, micros and sufficient variety. Oh, and low nitrates, low trans fats, not too much iron, mix your vegetables (not too much kale or broccoli)....

    Yeah, it doesn't matter. :sick:


    are you saying it does matter or it doesn't - my filter is off

    I'm saying intake matters - it isn't just macros.
    One of the great ironies of trying to get healthy are those people that decide to go all natural and end up eating too much monolithic foods:

    too much carrots -- make you ill
    too much kale and broccoli -- make you ill
    too much vitamins - I think you get where this is going

    A phrase like "If you are hitting your macro requirements, it doesn't mater (sic) how your intake is made up." is wrong. Dietary composition matters, what doesn't matter is dat der donut or dat der sushi. Total composition matters, single items do not.

    There is a difference in context.

    I would generally assume that if someone was consuming say 1500 calories and that they intake consisted of say 50% carbs, 30% Fat, 20% protein and that they were hitting those percentages and also staying within the 1500 calorie range that there is a very good chance that they aren't eating too many carrots or too much kale and broccoli.

    Please explain to me how someone could hit their calorie count and all their macros and their dietary composition be completely out of whack? I would be very interested in a daily diary entry for that.

    My perceptive - you can see if a lot with people converting to lifestyles (vegetarian/vegan or lchf) without educating themselves on what foods are requires to address nutritional requirements (protein in vegetarians, too low fat intake in lchf or even too little sodium). In fact, i have known a few people hospitalized for it.



    My sister in law did this. Went vegan for ethical reasons (as well as with some bad science in mind) and is convinced she can get through the week on nothing but potatoes, bananas (I despise freelee the banana girl for this), and the occasional green.... and by green I mean a green pepper... I worry about her health, but it would literally take the return of Christ with a personal visit to her house to convince her she needs to branch out nutritionally...
  • tristen_leigh
    tristen_leigh Posts: 214 Member
    Well this has been the most entertaining and informative thread ever.

    Legit question since all the knowledgeable seem to gather here. Do macros not matter if I'm hitting my calorie goal for weight loss? Apologies if this has been answered... I gave up after 7 pages.
  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    Well this has been the most entertaining and informative thread ever.

    Legit question since all the knowledgeable seem to gather here. Do macros not matter if I'm hitting my calorie goal for weight loss? Apologies if this has been answered... I gave up after 7 pages.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/819925/the-basics-dont-complicate-it/p1
  • tristen_leigh
    tristen_leigh Posts: 214 Member
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Well this has been the most entertaining and informative thread ever.

    Legit question since all the knowledgeable seem to gather here. Do macros not matter if I'm hitting my calorie goal for weight loss? Apologies if this has been answered... I gave up after 7 pages.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/819925/the-basics-dont-complicate-it/p1

    THANK YOU.
  • earlnabby
    earlnabby Posts: 8,171 Member
    Well this has been the most entertaining and informative thread ever.

    Legit question since all the knowledgeable seem to gather here. Do macros not matter if I'm hitting my calorie goal for weight loss? Apologies if this has been answered... I gave up after 7 pages.

    For weight loss, no, they do not matter. For optimal health and performance, yes they do.
  • blankiefinder
    blankiefinder Posts: 3,599 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    I guess it may sometimes be seen as bragging?? "I eat all the junk I can fit into my calories". Obviously not in those exact words, but that is how it sometimes comes across.
    Possibly. I get people that comment all the time that they can't believe I can eat pizza, fast food, and processed foods and not gain. But, then again they are only hearing about the junk food and not the other 80% of the time of nutritious eating.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    I think one of the challenges is you're a active in shape individual that burns a bunch of calories. You or someone like yourself can get proper nutrition (your macros and micros) eating 80% nutritious. For someone on a lower calorie diet, it's going to be much more difficult to get needed nutrition if 20% of say 1500 calories come from candy, cakes, chips, ice cream, etc.

    Well I can hit my macro requirements in 1200 calories if I chose to. Leaving the 20% (300 calories) for chips (85 cals), Ice cream (90 cals), cookies (72 cals) because I choose the ones I like (eg Walkers pops / Quavers - Solero / Fab, McVities Rich Tea)

    And it's not like the less nutritiously rich foods you mention don't help with hitting macros too

    But it's about choice - there's no reason why people can't manage it - even if it's difficult - if they choose to / if it's important to their wellbeing

    Take a 1200 calorie diet to a registered dietician where 20% of the calories are from nutritionally less dense food (chips, cookies, candy, cake, etc) and get their thoughts .

    Why would their thoughts matter? If you are hitting your macro requirements, it doesn't mater how your intake is made up.

    so what is your thought on this statement @psulemon ?
    does it fit with your 80/20 rule, or it is just me struggling again with reading comprehension?

    I wasn't aware that psulemon was the translator of all posts on MFP and the one who determines if everyone's diet was appropriate for them. Wow that's a lot of responsibility @psulemon! You should ask them to double your mod salary! ;)

    Its ok. I am always willing to provide some perspective. And i got time right now while my wife is progressing during her labor.

    Good luck with baby lemon!!!!

    And to get back on topic, don't anyone try to take away my butter!
  • brianpperkins
    brianpperkins Posts: 6,124 Member
    I stopped reading on page three when it became clear that this thread's best purpose is as an example of why it is important to vet your sources, including "trainers".
  • blankiefinder
    blankiefinder Posts: 3,599 Member
    leanne0627 wrote: »
    have a question if any of you can help. I've been exercising and trying to eat healthier for about 8 months now and have lost about 50 lbs and went from a size 18 to a size 9. so I've had some success and i feel great, but i still weigh 180 lbs. im a female about 5 7". it seems i barely ever lose any scale weight yet i keep having to buy new clothes. yet they say you cant build muscle in a deficit so it makes me wonder if im not in a deficit? i should be as i do 2 hours of exercise days a week. i also only seem to lose in chuncks. weight stays the same for 3 weeks then i lose 5 lbs overnight. one time i lose 10 lbs in 3 days after not losing for 5 weeks. it makes it very hard to stay motivated and track my food when no matter what i do im not seeing the scale move. any help or explanations would be great. thank you

    Honestly, you'd be better off to start your own thread, but if you are losing, even if it's in spurts, then you're in a deficit. Sometimes it comes off in whooshes. If you are averaging below 1/2 pound per week loss, you could try increasing your deficit by a bit.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    Well this has been the most entertaining and informative thread ever.

    Legit question since all the knowledgeable seem to gather here. Do macros not matter if I'm hitting my calorie goal for weight loss? Apologies if this has been answered... I gave up after 7 pages.

    Define "not matter".

    If you eat a diet of 100% of any one macro, you're going to have a bad time.

    But if you go over your protein macro by 5% and under you carb by 5%? Almost certainly won't matter at all.

    The ratios are somewhat arbitrary...and the default MFP ratios are terrible for many. I found great success with a diet of 30/20/50 p/c/f for a long while. Had I ate the same but changed my macros on the site to 25/40/35, it would have looked like I was missing my macros badly, but I still would have had the same level of success.
  • tristen_leigh
    tristen_leigh Posts: 214 Member
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    Well this has been the most entertaining and informative thread ever.

    Legit question since all the knowledgeable seem to gather here. Do macros not matter if I'm hitting my calorie goal for weight loss? Apologies if this has been answered... I gave up after 7 pages.

    Define "not matter".

    If you eat a diet of 100% of any one macro, you're going to have a bad time.

    But if you go over your protein macro by 5% and under you carb by 5%? Almost certainly won't matter at all.

    The ratios are somewhat arbitrary...and the default MFP ratios are terrible for many. I found great success with a diet of 30/20/50 p/c/f for a long while. Had I ate the same but changed my macros on the site to 25/40/35, it would have looked like I was missing my macros badly, but I still would have had the same level of success.

    I'm not talking extremes by "not matter". I did a little research and adjusted macros accordingly (30/40/30). I seem to always be over my carbs but can usually stay within the range +/- about 5% for protein and fat.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    Well this has been the most entertaining and informative thread ever.

    Legit question since all the knowledgeable seem to gather here. Do macros not matter if I'm hitting my calorie goal for weight loss? Apologies if this has been answered... I gave up after 7 pages.

    Define "not matter".

    If you eat a diet of 100% of any one macro, you're going to have a bad time.

    But if you go over your protein macro by 5% and under you carb by 5%? Almost certainly won't matter at all.

    The ratios are somewhat arbitrary...and the default MFP ratios are terrible for many. I found great success with a diet of 30/20/50 p/c/f for a long while. Had I ate the same but changed my macros on the site to 25/40/35, it would have looked like I was missing my macros badly, but I still would have had the same level of success.

    I'm not talking extremes by "not matter". I did a little research and adjusted macros accordingly (30/40/30). I seem to always be over my carbs but can usually stay within the range +/- about 5% for protein and fat.

    What are your stats, what is your workout routine and total calories.

    I am initial inclined to say you will be fine.
  • Asher_Ethan
    Asher_Ethan Posts: 2,430 Member
    Lame... I just went through all 12 pages to see if OP ever came back because I really wanted to hear more about clean eating and empty calories.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    FatMoojor wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    I guess it may sometimes be seen as bragging?? "I eat all the junk I can fit into my calories". Obviously not in those exact words, but that is how it sometimes comes across.
    Possibly. I get people that comment all the time that they can't believe I can eat pizza, fast food, and processed foods and not gain. But, then again they are only hearing about the junk food and not the other 80% of the time of nutritious eating.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    I think one of the challenges is you're a active in shape individual that burns a bunch of calories. You or someone like yourself can get proper nutrition (your macros and micros) eating 80% nutritious. For someone on a lower calorie diet, it's going to be much more difficult to get needed nutrition if 20% of say 1500 calories come from candy, cakes, chips, ice cream, etc.

    Well I can hit my macro requirements in 1200 calories if I chose to. Leaving the 20% (300 calories) for chips (85 cals), Ice cream (90 cals), cookies (72 cals) because I choose the ones I like (eg Walkers pops / Quavers - Solero / Fab, McVities Rich Tea)

    And it's not like the less nutritiously rich foods you mention don't help with hitting macros too

    But it's about choice - there's no reason why people can't manage it - even if it's difficult - if they choose to / if it's important to their wellbeing

    Take a 1200 calorie diet to a registered dietician where 20% of the calories are from nutritionally less dense food (chips, cookies, candy, cake, etc) and get their thoughts .

    Why would their thoughts matter? If you are hitting your macro requirements, it doesn't mater how your intake is made up.

    so what is your thought on this statement @psulemon ?
    does it fit with your 80/20 rule, or it is just me struggling again with reading comprehension?

    I wasn't aware that psulemon was the translator of all posts on MFP and the one who determines if everyone's diet was appropriate for them. Wow that's a lot of responsibility @psulemon! You should ask them to double your mod salary! ;)

    Its ok. I am always willing to provide some perspective. And i got time right now while my wife is progressing during her labor.

    Good luck with baby lemon!!!!

    And to get back on topic, don't anyone try to take away my butter!

    julia-child-keep-calm-add-butter.jpg
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    Well this has been the most entertaining and informative thread ever.

    Legit question since all the knowledgeable seem to gather here. Do macros not matter if I'm hitting my calorie goal for weight loss? Apologies if this has been answered... I gave up after 7 pages.

    Define "not matter".

    If you eat a diet of 100% of any one macro, you're going to have a bad time.

    But if you go over your protein macro by 5% and under you carb by 5%? Almost certainly won't matter at all.

    The ratios are somewhat arbitrary...and the default MFP ratios are terrible for many. I found great success with a diet of 30/20/50 p/c/f for a long while. Had I ate the same but changed my macros on the site to 25/40/35, it would have looked like I was missing my macros badly, but I still would have had the same level of success.

    I'm not talking extremes by "not matter". I did a little research and adjusted macros accordingly (30/40/30). I seem to always be over my carbs but can usually stay within the range +/- about 5% for protein and fat.

    I suspect most would say +/- 5% is totally fine (assuming reasonable targets) for most people. That's easily within error tolerances for most food log measurements anyhow. And if you ever see signs it isn't fine, then adjust accordingly.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    Well this has been the most entertaining and informative thread ever.

    Legit question since all the knowledgeable seem to gather here. Do macros not matter if I'm hitting my calorie goal for weight loss? Apologies if this has been answered... I gave up after 7 pages.

    Define "not matter".

    If you eat a diet of 100% of any one macro, you're going to have a bad time.

    But if you go over your protein macro by 5% and under you carb by 5%? Almost certainly won't matter at all.

    The ratios are somewhat arbitrary...and the default MFP ratios are terrible for many. I found great success with a diet of 30/20/50 p/c/f for a long while. Had I ate the same but changed my macros on the site to 25/40/35, it would have looked like I was missing my macros badly, but I still would have had the same level of success.

    I'm not talking extremes by "not matter". I did a little research and adjusted macros accordingly (30/40/30). I seem to always be over my carbs but can usually stay within the range +/- about 5% for protein and fat.

    What are your stats, what is your workout routine and total calories.

    I am initial inclined to say you will be fine.

    This - are you satisfied with your results week to week?
  • AskTracyAnnK28
    AskTracyAnnK28 Posts: 2,817 Member
    Lame... I just went through all 12 pages to see if OP ever came back because I really wanted to hear more about clean eating and empty calories.

    I wanted to learn more about these 'special occasions' where I'm allowed to eat white food.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    Lame... I just went through all 12 pages to see if OP ever came back because I really wanted to hear more about clean eating and empty calories.

    I wanted to learn more about these 'special occasions' where I'm allowed to eat white food.

    only on days that end with y.