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asimmons26 wrote: »Yes, I do know what energy is. Maybe you need a definition straight from the dictionary.
en·er·gy
ˈenərjē/
noun
1.
the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity.
"changes in the levels of vitamins can affect energy and well-being"
Actually I asked if you know what a calorie is. But your definition of energy, pretty much answered this too...
http://www.eufic.org/page/en/page/what-is-energy/
When the source of science knowledge is a 11 years old then this things often happen.
Add: Energy is measured in
http://www.aps.org/policy/reports/popa-reports/energy/units.cfm
I am more than happy to teach Science to grown ups, anytime!0 -
asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
In your perception, what's an empty calorie?
I ask because when I eat any calories I feel full and satisfied.
Empty calorie is without any nutritional value.
Like alcohol.
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/what-are-empty-calories
Please feel free to ask any more questions, more than happy to help.
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asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.0 -
CoffeeNCardio wrote: »
I've done curls with 50lb rice bag at home.Therealobi1 wrote: »asimmons26 wrote: »Most calorie strategies for weight loss have a downfall. The reason is all calories are not created equal. Your best bet is to just worry about eating clean and drinking half your body weight in ounces of water each day. Your BMR doesn't stay the same. (As you stated) The better fit or unfit you become you would need to recalculate everything. Temperature also changes your BMR so to go strictly off of a calculation like TDEE would need to be an estimate only. Don't even bother with that. Stay away from whites (rice, bread, pasta). These should only be eaten for special occasions. Replace these with Ezekiel bread, quinoa, etc. Get creative with your veggies, no butter. Your veggies should be the biggest portion on your plate.
i feel sorry for the cultures where rice is the staple diet.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
You weren't curling white rice, were you? Only curling brown rice is healthy.
I just exploded in laughter in a quiet room and scared my 2 year old and now he's crying
If your laugh had just had 1g of fiber it would suddenly have been healthy and kept your child asleep.
The best thing ever! :laugh:0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Sometimes I think that MFP is one of those organizations funded by Coca Cola (you know the message -- all about exercise, and just eating "right" amount of calories, doesn't matter what you eat.) Go for it I say -- just try eating crap to your calorie macro and see how you feel, and how much exercise you are motivated to do. I eat to my calories AND my macros. The combination keeps me health and feeling satisfied. When my macros get out of balance for ME then I have a hard time sticking to my food plan and calorie plan. (PS my macros are higher protein/lower carb, cause that's how I feel best and most motivated to stick to my calorie macros).
Then i would suggest that is how you interpret the information. If you want to look at semantics, yes you can lose on a diet of junk food (i.e twinkie diet) but no one ever would suggest that. Commonly we promote a diet full of variety, foods that are nutrient dense (probably 80 to 90% of them), finding a diet that is sustainable and if you have calories left over then go ahead and have a treat.
Personally, i was eating a klondike on a nightly basis, but decided to give it up once i really bumped up my lifting routine. I made this decision as i needed greater volume of food. So now i do grapes with cool whip. Same calories, both good (obviously klondike > grapes) but the volume is much greater on the grapes.
Since there are so many people that "misinterpret" your message, I would suggest to rethink your communication strategy.
("your" of course is not referred specifically to you, but in general to those that promote IIFYM/flexible dieting/moderation and are "misinterpreted")
If the greater you cant read past my first setence then its not an interpretation issue.. its a reading issue.
These are your moderators, @Alex
What's wrong with what i wrote? I wasnt insulting anyone. Common problems is people dont read the entire paragraph and they make assumptions.
That way i wrote my first statement is a perfect example of how i write. I provided a clear understanding of how people typically take responses and then i clarified the context of what is actually said.0 -
asimmons26 wrote: »Back to the calories are not equal. This is very simple. You eat 100 calories of French fries and I will eat 100 calories of veggies. Then let's see who has more energy. You can google not all calories are equal and find a ton of information backing this. The information I gave as to not all calories being equal was just a very quick statement without going into complex digestion and energy process of different foods. Your energy level has everything to do with how your lose weight.
You'd have the same "Energy"
You may not have the same nutritional balance from each food but as you well know a 'diet' (as in the food you intake over time) is based on all foods that you eat and not focusing on an individual food in isolation
There are instances I could imagine when 100 calories worth of french fries would actually be more beneficial to an overall diet than 100 calories of vegetables eg when there is inadequate fat to help absorb all those wonderful nutrients in the first place
I just think, and you probably agree, that calling food out as being bad in isolation rather than focusing on the overall diet is not really valid
Theoretically yes but practically no.
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/kilojoules-and-calories
This link is easy to find online , many more will back up my argument.0 -
Its like science. Sometimes people read that they want to, not what is actually being said because it doesnt support their hypothesis. You see this all the time with documentaries and news articles.asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
All calories have some nutrition (even sugar). And in fact, i dont even thing empty calories is even a scientific term but rather an industry term.0 -
I eat 80% "clean" (nutrient dense) and 20% of whatever I want (you don't get extra credit for eating over your macro goals) while staying within calorie limits.............................for years. Health is more than just about eating. If one suffers from lack of rest, stress, health issues (high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes), bad environment, risk behavior (smoking, high risk sports, etc.) is unhappy, just eating "clean" isn't going to fix those issues. And they involve having an overall healthy outlook.Sometimes I think that MFP is one of those organizations funded by Coca Cola (you know the message -- all about exercise, and just eating "right" amount of calories, doesn't matter what you eat.) Go for it I say -- just try eating crap to your calorie macro and see how you feel, and how much exercise you are motivated to do. I eat to my calories AND my macros. The combination keeps me health and feeling satisfied. When my macros get out of balance for ME then I have a hard time sticking to my food plan and calorie plan. (PS my macros are higher protein/lower carb, cause that's how I feel best and most motivated to stick to my calorie macros).
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
This. I was doing my calorie deficit, 'clean eating' thing, at a job I hated. It stressed me out all the time, I was always on call despite not actually being paid to be, my boss never left me alone, I never got enough rest, felt like I had no time for myself, let alone friends, family, or exercise. It was awful. I lost a whole 10 pounds the whole 5 months I was there.
Then I changed jobs. Suddenly I had time for hobbies, meal planning, exercise, and time with friends and family! I've been here since February and I've lost over 40 pounds. Sleep is a bit of a struggle because I work night shift now, but since giving up the glass of wine when I get home I sleep a bit better. I'm giving it a few more weeks before I start to see real results of feeling more rested. I'm about 20 pounds from my goal and my doctor said I am looking great and so are my lab results.
I can definitely attest that health is NOT just about eating.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Sometimes I think that MFP is one of those organizations funded by Coca Cola (you know the message -- all about exercise, and just eating "right" amount of calories, doesn't matter what you eat.) Go for it I say -- just try eating crap to your calorie macro and see how you feel, and how much exercise you are motivated to do. I eat to my calories AND my macros. The combination keeps me health and feeling satisfied. When my macros get out of balance for ME then I have a hard time sticking to my food plan and calorie plan. (PS my macros are higher protein/lower carb, cause that's how I feel best and most motivated to stick to my calorie macros).
Then i would suggest that is how you interpret the information. If you want to look at semantics, yes you can lose on a diet of junk food (i.e twinkie diet) but no one ever would suggest that. Commonly we promote a diet full of variety, foods that are nutrient dense (probably 80 to 90% of them), finding a diet that is sustainable and if you have calories left over then go ahead and have a treat.
Personally, i was eating a klondike on a nightly basis, but decided to give it up once i really bumped up my lifting routine. I made this decision as i needed greater volume of food. So now i do grapes with cool whip. Same calories, both good (obviously klondike > grapes) but the volume is much greater on the grapes.
Since there are so many people that "misinterpret" your message, I would suggest to rethink your communication strategy.
("your" of course is not referred specifically to you, but in general to those that promote IIFYM/flexible dieting/moderation and are "misinterpreted")
If the greater you cant read past my first setence then its not an interpretation issue.. its a reading issue.
These are your moderators, @Alex
What's wrong with what i wrote? I wasnt insulting anyone. Common problems is people dont read the entire paragraph and they make assumptions.
That way i wrote my first statement is a perfect example of how i write. I provided a clear understanding of how people typically take responses and then i clarified the context of what is actually said.
The fact that you can't see "what's wrong" is part of the problem.
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Its like science. Sometimes people read that they want to, not what is actually being said because it doesnt support their hypothesis. You see this all the time with documentaries and news articles.asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
All calories have some nutrition (even sugar). And in fact, i dont even thing empty calories is even a scientific term but rather an industry term.
Alcohol, what is the nutritional value of it or is it just another 'Broscience/Sissceience', an industry term?
https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/check-the-facts/health-effects-of-alcohol/appearance/calories-in-alcohol
Overall health has no equal (healthy BMI body weight does not necessarily mean a healthy body).
It should be made compulsory to talk calorie deficit with nutrition (Quality of food is more important than quantity of food for a healthy weight loss, of course NOT necessary for JUST weight loss ).
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Its like science. Sometimes people read that they want to, not what is actually being said because it doesnt support their hypothesis. You see this all the time with documentaries and news articles.asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
All calories have some nutrition (even sugar). And in fact, i dont even thing empty calories is even a scientific term but rather an industry term.
Alcohol, what is the nutritional value of it or is it just another 'Broscience/Sissceience', an industry term?
https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/check-the-facts/health-effects-of-alcohol/appearance/calories-in-alcohol
Overall health has no equal (healthy BMI body weight does not necessarily mean a healthy body).
It should be made compulsory to talk calorie deficit with nutrition (Quality of food is more important than quantity of food for a healthy weight loss, of course NOT necessary for JUST weight loss ).
I don't know enough about alcohol to address that issue but mabye someone else can.
I would ask you though who is defining which foods are healthy and not? Because ultimate comlaring each food would miss the forest. That is why you have to look at the total diet.0 -
Its like science. Sometimes people read that they want to, not what is actually being said because it doesnt support their hypothesis. You see this all the time with documentaries and news articles.asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
All calories have some nutrition (even sugar). And in fact, i dont even thing empty calories is even a scientific term but rather an industry term.
Pubmed gives me 70 results with the term "empty calories" in the abstract, Google Scholar gives 6100 results. So it is definitely used in academia.
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »Its like science. Sometimes people read that they want to, not what is actually being said because it doesnt support their hypothesis. You see this all the time with documentaries and news articles.asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
All calories have some nutrition (even sugar). And in fact, i dont even thing empty calories is even a scientific term but rather an industry term.
Pubmed gives me 70 results with the term "empty calories" in the abstract, Google Scholar gives 6100 results. So it is definitely used in academia.
Just because its used (first used around 1955), doesn't mean its a scientific term. I have seen a few slightly different definitions for it. Aome suggest its calories with no nutrition and others suggest its calories with little to no. Ironically, the put hfcs and butter (solid fats) in that category as examples.
So depending how you define it, depends how i would address the question.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Sometimes I think that MFP is one of those organizations funded by Coca Cola (you know the message -- all about exercise, and just eating "right" amount of calories, doesn't matter what you eat.) Go for it I say -- just try eating crap to your calorie macro and see how you feel, and how much exercise you are motivated to do. I eat to my calories AND my macros. The combination keeps me health and feeling satisfied. When my macros get out of balance for ME then I have a hard time sticking to my food plan and calorie plan. (PS my macros are higher protein/lower carb, cause that's how I feel best and most motivated to stick to my calorie macros).
Then i would suggest that is how you interpret the information. If you want to look at semantics, yes you can lose on a diet of junk food (i.e twinkie diet) but no one ever would suggest that. Commonly we promote a diet full of variety, foods that are nutrient dense (probably 80 to 90% of them), finding a diet that is sustainable and if you have calories left over then go ahead and have a treat.
Personally, i was eating a klondike on a nightly basis, but decided to give it up once i really bumped up my lifting routine. I made this decision as i needed greater volume of food. So now i do grapes with cool whip. Same calories, both good (obviously klondike > grapes) but the volume is much greater on the grapes.
Since there are so many people that "misinterpret" your message, I would suggest to rethink your communication strategy.
("your" of course is not referred specifically to you, but in general to those that promote IIFYM/flexible dieting/moderation and are "misinterpreted")
If the greater you cant read past my first setence then its not an interpretation issue.. its a reading issue.
These are your moderators, @Alex
What's wrong with what i wrote? I wasnt insulting anyone. Common problems is people dont read the entire paragraph and they make assumptions.
That way i wrote my first statement is a perfect example of how i write. I provided a clear understanding of how people typically take responses and then i clarified the context of what is actually said.
The fact that you can't see "what's wrong" is part of the problem.
Actually, and it's not my job to side with the moderators, I think the issue is you bringing your own interpretations which seem to be borne out of negativity, into play
Once again it's the black box theory of mind - your own experiences and attitudes colour what your read. Everybody's does. But here you should try to read without intent, difficult though it might seem.
I see nothing wrong in the facts as presented - because you take a view that there is an emotional driver behind the words is exactly the problem. It happens time and time again with certain posters I've seen. It's an interesting phenomenon0 -
asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
I see you have commented on a number of my posts, not entirely sure why but you appear to be positioning yourself as one who brings science .. I'd really like to see you start to support that with your posts
In one you asserted that alcohol is empty calories, I disagree - even alcohol contains benefits for many
- an emotional affect on the psyche in moderation
- some reports that certain alcoholic beverages contain antioxidants (eg red wine and Resveratrol with some indications that it helps protect the lining of blood vessels in the heart but more research required)
- of course different alcohols contain small quantities of iron and carbs and they all have calories eg energy
- my favourite benefit is that alcohol serves to lessen inhibitions which in general serves to increase the general amusement and interest factor in any social situation - which increases the amount of laughter and we all know laughing is good for the heart - maybe that's just with my friends though
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asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
I see you have commented on a number of my posts, (wherever necessary, yes as I do with others!)
not entirely sure why but you appear to be positioning yourself as one who brings science .. I'd really like to see you start to support that with your posts
Accepted, this argument also applies to 'veterans', 'suspects', 'sharp shooters', 'Bro/sis science educators' and many more cherry pick posters.
In one you asserted that alcohol is empty calories, I disagree - even alcohol contains benefits for many
- an emotional affect on the psyche in moderation
- some reports that certain alcoholic beverages contain antioxidants (eg red wine and Resveratrol with some indications that it helps protect the lining of blood vessels in the heart but more research required)
- of course different alcohols contain small quantities of iron and carbs and they all have calories eg energy
- my favourite benefit is that alcohol serves to lessen inhibitions which in general serves to increase the general amusement and interest factor in any social situation - which increases the amount of laughter and we all know laughing is good for the heart - maybe that's just with my friends though
I'm at loss of words here.
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asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
I see you have commented on a number of my posts, (wherever necessary, yes as I do with others!)
not entirely sure why but you appear to be positioning yourself as one who brings science .. I'd really like to see you start to support that with your posts
Accepted, this argument also applies to 'veterans', 'suspects', 'sharp shooters', 'Bro/sis science educators' and many more cherry pick posters.
In one you asserted that alcohol is empty calories, I disagree - even alcohol contains benefits for many
- an emotional affect on the psyche in moderation
- some reports that certain alcoholic beverages contain antioxidants (eg red wine and Resveratrol with some indications that it helps protect the lining of blood vessels in the heart but more research required)
- of course different alcohols contain small quantities of iron and carbs and they all have calories eg energy
- my favourite benefit is that alcohol serves to lessen inhibitions which in general serves to increase the general amusement and interest factor in any social situation - which increases the amount of laughter and we all know laughing is good for the heart - maybe that's just with my friends though
I'm at loss of words here.
maybe you should have a beer, might help you lighten up and find some words
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asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
I see you have commented on a number of my posts, (wherever necessary, yes as I do with others!)
not entirely sure why but you appear to be positioning yourself as one who brings science .. I'd really like to see you start to support that with your posts
Accepted, this argument also applies to 'veterans', 'suspects', 'sharp shooters', 'Bro/sis science educators' and many more cherry pick posters.
In one you asserted that alcohol is empty calories, I disagree - even alcohol contains benefits for many
- an emotional affect on the psyche in moderation
- some reports that certain alcoholic beverages contain antioxidants (eg red wine and Resveratrol with some indications that it helps protect the lining of blood vessels in the heart but more research required)
- of course different alcohols contain small quantities of iron and carbs and they all have calories eg energy
- my favourite benefit is that alcohol serves to lessen inhibitions which in general serves to increase the general amusement and interest factor in any social situation - which increases the amount of laughter and we all know laughing is good for the heart - maybe that's just with my friends though
I'm at loss of words here.
Once again it's the black box theory of mind - your own experiences and attitudes colour what your read. Everybody's does. But here you should try to read without intent, difficult though it might seem.
I see nothing wrong in the facts as presented - because you take a view that there is an emotional driver behind the words is exactly the problem. It happens time and time again with certain posters I've seen. It's an interesting phenomenon. 'I totally agree with this.'0 -
asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
I see you have commented on a number of my posts, (wherever necessary, yes as I do with others!)
not entirely sure why but you appear to be positioning yourself as one who brings science .. I'd really like to see you start to support that with your posts
Accepted, this argument also applies to 'veterans', 'suspects', 'sharp shooters', 'Bro/sis science educators' and many more cherry pick posters.
In one you asserted that alcohol is empty calories, I disagree - even alcohol contains benefits for many
- an emotional affect on the psyche in moderation
- some reports that certain alcoholic beverages contain antioxidants (eg red wine and Resveratrol with some indications that it helps protect the lining of blood vessels in the heart but more research required)
- of course different alcohols contain small quantities of iron and carbs and they all have calories eg energy
- my favourite benefit is that alcohol serves to lessen inhibitions which in general serves to increase the general amusement and interest factor in any social situation - which increases the amount of laughter and we all know laughing is good for the heart - maybe that's just with my friends though
I'm at loss of words here.
maybe you should have a beer, might help you lighten up and find some words
Cheers to that
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asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
I see you have commented on a number of my posts, (wherever necessary, yes as I do with others!)
not entirely sure why but you appear to be positioning yourself as one who brings science .. I'd really like to see you start to support that with your posts
Accepted, this argument also applies to 'veterans', 'suspects', 'sharp shooters', 'Bro/sis science educators' and many more cherry pick posters.
In one you asserted that alcohol is empty calories, I disagree - even alcohol contains benefits for many
- an emotional affect on the psyche in moderation
- some reports that certain alcoholic beverages contain antioxidants (eg red wine and Resveratrol with some indications that it helps protect the lining of blood vessels in the heart but more research required)
- of course different alcohols contain small quantities of iron and carbs and they all have calories eg energy
- my favourite benefit is that alcohol serves to lessen inhibitions which in general serves to increase the general amusement and interest factor in any social situation - which increases the amount of laughter and we all know laughing is good for the heart - maybe that's just with my friends though
I'm at loss of words here.
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »Sometimes I think that MFP is one of those organizations funded by Coca Cola (you know the message -- all about exercise, and just eating "right" amount of calories, doesn't matter what you eat.) Go for it I say -- just try eating crap to your calorie macro and see how you feel, and how much exercise you are motivated to do. I eat to my calories AND my macros. The combination keeps me health and feeling satisfied. When my macros get out of balance for ME then I have a hard time sticking to my food plan and calorie plan. (PS my macros are higher protein/lower carb, cause that's how I feel best and most motivated to stick to my calorie macros).
Then i would suggest that is how you interpret the information. If you want to look at semantics, yes you can lose on a diet of junk food (i.e twinkie diet) but no one ever would suggest that. Commonly we promote a diet full of variety, foods that are nutrient dense (probably 80 to 90% of them), finding a diet that is sustainable and if you have calories left over then go ahead and have a treat.
Personally, i was eating a klondike on a nightly basis, but decided to give it up once i really bumped up my lifting routine. I made this decision as i needed greater volume of food. So now i do grapes with cool whip. Same calories, both good (obviously klondike > grapes) but the volume is much greater on the grapes.
Since there are so many people that "misinterpret" your message, I would suggest to rethink your communication strategy.
("your" of course is not referred specifically to you, but in general to those that promote IIFYM/flexible dieting/moderation and are "misinterpreted")
If the greater you cant read past my first setence then its not an interpretation issue.. its a reading issue.
These are your moderators, @Alex
What's wrong with what i wrote? I wasnt insulting anyone. Common problems is people dont read the entire paragraph and they make assumptions.
That way i wrote my first statement is a perfect example of how i write. I provided a clear understanding of how people typically take responses and then i clarified the context of what is actually said.
The fact that you can't see "what's wrong" is part of the problem.
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I can't access the article but this is interesting re moderate consumption of alcohol.
Not saying that those benefits cannot be accessed elsewhere, but I think it is wrong to state that moderate consumption alcohol is 'empty calories'
I'm actually, personally, not much of a drinker - but I do hate it when people demonise particular food groups - alcohol is a food group right?
Standridge JB, Zylstra RG, Adams SM
Department of Family Medicine, University of Tennessee College of Medicine, Chattanooga Unit, Chattanooga, TN, USA.
Abstract
Published health benefits of regular light-to-moderate alcohol consumption include lower myocardial infarction rates, reduced heart failure rates, reduced risk of ischemic stroke, lower risk for dementia, decreased risk of diabetes and reduced risk of osteoporosis. Numerous complimentary biochemical changes have been identified that explain the beneficial effects of moderate alcohol consumption. Heavy alcohol consumption, however, can negatively affect neurologic, cardiac, gastrointestinal, hematologic, immune, psychiatric and musculoskeletal organ systems. Binge drinking is a significant problem even among moderate drinkers and is associated with particularly high social and economic costs. A cautious approach should be emphasized for those individuals who drink even small amounts of alcohol. Physicians can apply the research evidence describing the known risks and benefits of alcohol consumption when counseling their patients regarding alcohol consumption.0 -
Possibly. I get people that comment all the time that they can't believe I can eat pizza, fast food, and processed foods and not gain. But, then again they are only hearing about the junk food and not the other 80% of the time of nutritious eating.christinev297 wrote: »I guess it may sometimes be seen as bragging?? "I eat all the junk I can fit into my calories". Obviously not in those exact words, but that is how it sometimes comes across.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I think one of the challenges is you're a active in shape individual that burns a bunch of calories. You or someone like yourself can get proper nutrition (your macros and micros) eating 80% nutritious. For someone on a lower calorie diet, it's going to be much more difficult to get needed nutrition if 20% of say 1500 calories come from candy, cakes, chips, ice cream, etc.0 -
asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
I see you have commented on a number of my posts, (wherever necessary, yes as I do with others!)
not entirely sure why but you appear to be positioning yourself as one who brings science .. I'd really like to see you start to support that with your posts
Accepted, this argument also applies to 'veterans', 'suspects', 'sharp shooters', 'Bro/sis science educators' and many more cherry pick posters.
In one you asserted that alcohol is empty calories, I disagree - even alcohol contains benefits for many
- an emotional affect on the psyche in moderation
- some reports that certain alcoholic beverages contain antioxidants (eg red wine and Resveratrol with some indications that it helps protect the lining of blood vessels in the heart but more research required)
- of course different alcohols contain small quantities of iron and carbs and they all have calories eg energy
- my favourite benefit is that alcohol serves to lessen inhibitions which in general serves to increase the general amusement and interest factor in any social situation - which increases the amount of laughter and we all know laughing is good for the heart - maybe that's just with my friends though
I'm at loss of words here.
Obviously not. Can here you tsk-tsking all the way to Germany.
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I can't access the article but this is interesting re moderate consumption of alcohol.
Not saying that those benefits cannot be accessed elsewhere, but I think it is wrong to state that moderate consumption alcohol is 'empty calories'
I'm actually, personally, not much of a drinker - but I do hate it when people demonise particular food groups - alcohol is a food group right?
Standridge JB, Zylstra RG, Adams SM
Department of Family Medicine, University of Tennessee College of Medicine, Chattanooga Unit, Chattanooga, TN, USA.
Abstract
Published health benefits of regular light-to-moderate alcohol consumption include lower myocardial infarction rates, reduced heart failure rates, reduced risk of ischemic stroke, lower risk for dementia, decreased risk of diabetes and reduced risk of osteoporosis. Numerous complimentary biochemical changes have been identified that explain the beneficial effects of moderate alcohol consumption. Heavy alcohol consumption, however, can negatively affect neurologic, cardiac, gastrointestinal, hematologic, immune, psychiatric and musculoskeletal organ systems. Binge drinking is a significant problem even among moderate drinkers and is associated with particularly high social and economic costs. A cautious approach should be emphasized for those individuals who drink even small amounts of alcohol. Physicians can apply the research evidence describing the known risks and benefits of alcohol consumption when counseling their patients regarding alcohol consumption.
@rabbitjb Please do not get me wrong.
I am augmenting against an argument and not starting a new one and these are purely discussion based arguments and not against any person per se.
I am not demonising any food group and I can not because I believe in CICO logic.
I stand behind my argument that empty calorie is not a fictional or manipulative word, it is a real thing.
Now what others want to consume during their weight loss journey is purely their own judgement, after all they will be the recipients of the results and it is their own voyage.
Thank you, I like most of your posts, so please keep posting, I am a fan not a hater but it does not mean I can not disagree with you. xoxo
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So what exactly is wrong with these so called "empty calories"?0
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
Your suggestions are great but they are open to debate and some assertions lack scientific basis...that's the issue with "nutrition courses". Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist after an online course.
Empty calories IMO don't exist ...all foodstuffs have a benefit ..now it may be less nutritionally dense but if you've already covered off your macro and micro requirements then the emotional benefits shouldn't be underestimated ...and all food has nutritional benefits on some part of the scale, even if it's just calories
Please back it up if possible.
Empty calorie is as real as CICO logic.
I see you have commented on a number of my posts, (wherever necessary, yes as I do with others!)
not entirely sure why but you appear to be positioning yourself as one who brings science .. I'd really like to see you start to support that with your posts
Accepted, this argument also applies to 'veterans', 'suspects', 'sharp shooters', 'Bro/sis science educators' and many more cherry pick posters.
In one you asserted that alcohol is empty calories, I disagree - even alcohol contains benefits for many
- an emotional affect on the psyche in moderation
- some reports that certain alcoholic beverages contain antioxidants (eg red wine and Resveratrol with some indications that it helps protect the lining of blood vessels in the heart but more research required)
- of course different alcohols contain small quantities of iron and carbs and they all have calories eg energy
- my favourite benefit is that alcohol serves to lessen inhibitions which in general serves to increase the general amusement and interest factor in any social situation - which increases the amount of laughter and we all know laughing is good for the heart - maybe that's just with my friends though
I'm at loss of words here.
Obviously not. Can here you tsk-tsking all the way to Germany.
I did not get it but I assume it was meant to funny, so I giggled!
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I can't access the article but this is interesting re moderate consumption of alcohol.
Not saying that those benefits cannot be accessed elsewhere, but I think it is wrong to state that moderate consumption alcohol is 'empty calories'
I'm actually, personally, not much of a drinker - but I do hate it when people demonise particular food groups - alcohol is a food group right?
Standridge JB, Zylstra RG, Adams SM
Department of Family Medicine, University of Tennessee College of Medicine, Chattanooga Unit, Chattanooga, TN, USA.
Abstract
Published health benefits of regular light-to-moderate alcohol consumption include lower myocardial infarction rates, reduced heart failure rates, reduced risk of ischemic stroke, lower risk for dementia, decreased risk of diabetes and reduced risk of osteoporosis. Numerous complimentary biochemical changes have been identified that explain the beneficial effects of moderate alcohol consumption. Heavy alcohol consumption, however, can negatively affect neurologic, cardiac, gastrointestinal, hematologic, immune, psychiatric and musculoskeletal organ systems. Binge drinking is a significant problem even among moderate drinkers and is associated with particularly high social and economic costs. A cautious approach should be emphasized for those individuals who drink even small amounts of alcohol. Physicians can apply the research evidence describing the known risks and benefits of alcohol consumption when counseling their patients regarding alcohol consumption.
@rabbitjb Please do not get me wrong.
I am augmenting against an argument and not starting a new one and these are purely discussion based arguments and not against any person per se.
I am not demonising any food group and I can not because I believe in CICO logic.
I stand behind my argument that empty calorie is not a fictional or manipulative word, it is a real thing.
Now what others want to consume during their weight loss journey is purely their own judgement, after all they will be the recipients of the results and it is their own voyage.
Thank you, I like most of your posts, so please keep posting, I am a fan not a hater but it does not mean I can not disagree with you. xoxo
I don't ever take things personally - when I comment on a post it's because I have an interest in what has been said @Aani15
I really don't get what an 'empty calorie' is. Would you care to elaborate? I have in terms of the one comestible item you pulled up, namely alcohol
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Packerjohn wrote: »
Possibly. I get people that comment all the time that they can't believe I can eat pizza, fast food, and processed foods and not gain. But, then again they are only hearing about the junk food and not the other 80% of the time of nutritious eating.christinev297 wrote: »I guess it may sometimes be seen as bragging?? "I eat all the junk I can fit into my calories". Obviously not in those exact words, but that is how it sometimes comes across.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I think one of the challenges is you're a active in shape individual that burns a bunch of calories. You or someone like yourself can get proper nutrition (your macros and micros) eating 80% nutritious. For someone on a lower calorie diet, it's going to be much more difficult to get needed nutrition if 20% of say 1500 calories come from candy, cakes, chips, ice cream, etc.
Yeah, the 80/20 rule is probably adequate only for active people.
For the general population, choosemyplate suggests different proportions:
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/how-many
So for instance, only 120 discretionary calories are suggested for older women on a 1600 calories diet (that is just 7,5% of the total).
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