Deer Antler
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Deer antler is known as Lu Rong in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). Primarily, it is considered to be a yang nourishing herbal component in Chinese herbal formulas.
Within the TCM herbal pharmacopeia, it is NOT used as a muscle bulking agent, and licensed practitioners, such as myself, groan at the ridiculous overdosing people do with single herb components for a purpose that was never intended. Happened with ephedra/ma huang, which is traditionally used in extremely low dosage to treat cold and flu symptoms. Similar stories with ginseng/ren shen, and countless other herbs.0 -
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
What does he say he's taking it for?As entertaining as this thread has been (thank you witty people!) I was hoping there would be some actual feedback from anyone who has used it because my son is using it. Some nasty tasting spray that goes under the tongue. So far he hasn't had any side effects (good or bad) but I was hoping for some experiences from others.
He heard it would help him build muscle so he takes it before a workout. He's not convinced so I don't think he'll be buying any more since there haven't been any measurable results.
How old is your son? If he is still living at home why would you allow him to use a supposed 'supplement' without thoroughly researching it first? While this one might be relatively harmless, some of them can be quite dangerous.
I mentioned in my first post that he's 23. Owns his own home, is self-sufficient, and is not a child. He's smart. I trust him. This is just a silly thing he tried.
Has he tried bat blood? The only guy I knew who did the 'deer antler' thing also used bat droppings, ate no starches and did some amazing distance stuff like R2R2R and then his kidneys started to fail. IDK...maybe extreme ideas and extreme people end up in a bad place. Everybody does something silly at least once.
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Derf_Smeggle wrote: »Deer antler is known as Lu Rong in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). Primarily, it is considered to be a yang nourishing herbal component in Chinese herbal formulas.
Within the TCM herbal pharmacopeia, it is NOT used as a muscle bulking agent, and licensed practitioners, such as myself, groan at the ridiculous overdosing people do with single herb components for a purpose that was never intended. Happened with ephedra/ma huang, which is traditionally used in extremely low dosage to treat cold and flu symptoms. Similar stories with ginseng/ren shen, and countless other herbs.
Science minded people, such as myself, groan at woo like this.
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That's okay by me. There is a growing body of research into Traditional Chinese Medicine that provides supporting evidence for what I do.FunkyTobias wrote: »Science minded people, such as myself, groan at woo like this.
I do wish there was more research money available to do more with the herbal side. Most of the focus is on acupuncture.
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Derf_Smeggle wrote: »
That's okay by me. There is a growing body of research into Traditional Chinese Medicine that provides supporting evidence for what I do.FunkyTobias wrote: »Science minded people, such as myself, groan at woo like this.
I do wish there was more research money available to do more with the herbal side. Most of the focus is on acupuncture.
I find it strange that tcm is suddenly being picked up by western audiences, while eastern audiences are only recently beginning to welcome western medicine. I guess TCM has value if it's a practice that has lasted for this long0 -
I've hit two with my truck. Never tried gnawing on the antlers though0
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I've shot several. The horned ones, I mounted on the wall.0
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I'd let you shoot me too0
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Almost got one with bow a few years ago. Found out, the really hard way, I had a busted nock. Arrow fell out at full draw, and hit everything on the way out of the tree...
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Derf_Smeggle wrote: »Almost got one with bow a few years ago. Found out, the really hard way, I had a busted nock. Arrow fell out at full draw, and hit everything on the way out of the tree...
That is unfortunate! I got my biggest with a bow. Best feeling ever!0 -
Muzzle load hunter here0
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FYI, I generally look up supplements on Examine.com to see what science says:
http://examine.com/supplements/Velvet Antler/0 -
Derf_Smeggle wrote: »
That's okay by me. There is a growing body of research into Traditional Chinese Medicine that provides supporting evidence for what I do.FunkyTobias wrote: »Science minded people, such as myself, groan at woo like this.
Citation needed
And the results are... it doesn't work.I do wish there was more research money available to do more with the herbal side. Most of the focus is on acupuncture.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/an-industry-of-worthless-acupuncture-studies/
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Doubt that you'll find any quality feedback on the subject here.As entertaining as this thread has been (thank you witty people!) I was hoping there would be some actual feedback from anyone who has used it because my son is using it. Some nasty tasting spray that goes under the tongue. So far he hasn't had any side effects (good or bad) but I was hoping for some experiences from others.
I have read a lot on the subject in the past but have never given it a try. I would not discount it's ability to help with muscle gain unless I had actually tried it and made a judgement for myself. This sort of reminds me of the early discussions on creatine. Lots of skepticism but you won't find a serious weight training program that doesn't include it.
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
What does he say he's taking it for?As entertaining as this thread has been (thank you witty people!) I was hoping there would be some actual feedback from anyone who has used it because my son is using it. Some nasty tasting spray that goes under the tongue. So far he hasn't had any side effects (good or bad) but I was hoping for some experiences from others.
He heard it would help him build muscle so he takes it before a workout. He's not convinced so I don't think he'll be buying any more since there haven't been any measurable results.
How old is your son? If he is still living at home why would you allow him to use a supposed 'supplement' without thoroughly researching it first? While this one might be relatively harmless, some of them can be quite dangerous.
I mentioned in my first post that he's 23. Owns his own home, is self-sufficient, and is not a child. He's smart. I trust him. This is just a silly thing he tried.
Has he tried bat blood? The only guy I knew who did the 'deer antler' thing also used bat droppings, ate no starches and did some amazing distance stuff like R2R2R and then his kidneys started to fail. IDK...maybe extreme ideas and extreme people end up in a bad place. Everybody does something silly at least once.
Deer antler...bat blood. Throw in a couple lacewing flies and I think you have the potion recipe for turning a kitty into a velociraptor.0 -
Protranser wrote: »Derf_Smeggle wrote: »
That's okay by me. There is a growing body of research into Traditional Chinese Medicine that provides supporting evidence for what I do.FunkyTobias wrote: »Science minded people, such as myself, groan at woo like this.
I do wish there was more research money available to do more with the herbal side. Most of the focus is on acupuncture.
I find it strange that tcm is suddenly being picked up by western audiences, while eastern audiences are only recently beginning to welcome western medicine. I guess TCM has value if it's a practice that has lasted for this long
I believe that's a case of "the grass is always greener" plus the novelty of the 'exotic'.0 -
My understanding is that acupuncture or almost any painful sensation can work for chronic pain. Not for ancient Chinese wisdom reasons or any such woo, but simply because if you send a sharp pain signal, the body temporary stops paying attention to dull, continuous pain signals. The "step on your foot because you have a tooth ache" gag kind of treatment of pain.FunkyTobias wrote: »Derf_Smeggle wrote: »
That's okay by me. There is a growing body of research into Traditional Chinese Medicine that provides supporting evidence for what I do.FunkyTobias wrote: »Science minded people, such as myself, groan at woo like this.
Citation needed
And the results are... it doesn't work.I do wish there was more research money available to do more with the herbal side. Most of the focus is on acupuncture.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/an-industry-of-worthless-acupuncture-studies/
I haven't looked at anything recent, but I know there have been medical trials of devices that create pain at intervals as a form of treatment for people with long term and chronic pain conditions.0 -
Doubt that you'll find any quality feedback on the subject here.As entertaining as this thread has been (thank you witty people!) I was hoping there would be some actual feedback from anyone who has used it because my son is using it. Some nasty tasting spray that goes under the tongue. So far he hasn't had any side effects (good or bad) but I was hoping for some experiences from others.
I have read a lot on the subject in the past but have never given it a try. I would not discount it's ability to help with muscle gain unless I had actually tried it and made a judgement for myself. This sort of reminds me of the early discussions on creatine. Lots of skepticism but you won't find a serious weight training program that doesn't include it.
Except early consensus of creatine users was that it appeared incredibly effective. I haven't heard any deer antler users reporting similar success.
And I disagree that we have to personally try every single thing to have an opinion on its efficacy. That's...ridiculous.
And this reminds me...I need to reorder creatine.0 -
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Hoo boy.
If there was ANYTHING that would help cut corners in weight loss it would the most publicized and most commercially exploited discovery of modern science.
So if you didn't hear about if from every news outlet in the western world then... It's probably a duck.0 -
So ...... because popular western science says we all need to be on cholesterol lowering drugs, that must be sound advice?So if you didn't hear about if from every news outlet in the western world then... It's probably a duck.
I'll leave that for another thread but I have to say that not everything that the "Medical Correspondent" on the evening news is either sound or correct.
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So ...... because popular western science says we all need to be on cholesterol lowering drugs, that must be sound advice?So if you didn't hear about if from every news outlet in the western world then... It's probably a duck.
I'll leave that for another thread but I have to say that not everything that the "Medical Correspondent" on the evening news is either sound or correct.
Affirming the consequent fallacy0
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