Am i in ketosis?

Vixen3000

Today is day 2 of my keto diet and i feel like hell!

So this morning i measured my blood ketones which read 4.7mmol

And using a ketostix, my urine said i wasnt in ketosis, it said i was far from it

So am i or arent i?? :S

lithezebra

How many grams of carbs have you been eating per day? Have some salt and drink water if you feel terrible. You're probably losing a lot of water from using up glycogen. Salt is especially important! You might not be in ketosis yet, but if you've been under 50 grams of carbs a day, you're on your way there. Also, make sure you get enough calories from fat.

nvmomketo

You probably are in ketosis. The blood meter readings are usually considered to be more accurate than the ketostix. I am guessing ketones wil start spilling into your urine within the next few days.

If you feel really badly, make sure you up your sodium. Most keto'ers find close to 5000mg of sodium per day helps make the keto flu milder. Drink boullion, salt your foods, and maybe add salt to water if if are having a tough time getting enough.

Try the low carber daily and keto groups for more veteran advice.

Good luck.

N200lz

Ketones will spill into the urine ONLY when there is more in the blood than is being used as fuel by the body at that particular moment.

You may have exercised or worked a few hours previously, so your muscles would have used up the ketones as fuel, thus there will be no excess. You may have had a lot of liquids to drink, so the urine is more diluted. Perhaps the strips are not fresh, or the lid was not on tight and some moisture from the atmosphere got in.

Some low carbers NEVER show above trace or negative even ... yet they burn fat and lose weight just fine. If you're losing weight, and your clothes are getting looser, you're feeling well and not hungry all the time .. then you are successfully in ketosis. Don't get hung up on the strips; they're just a guide, nothing more.

robs_ready

Afraid not, your body has about 2 days of carbs at least

yarwell

Vixen3000 wrote: »

Today is day 2 of my keto diet and i feel like hell!

So this morning i measured my blood ketones which read 4.7mmol

And using a ketostix, my urine said i wasnt in ketosis, it said i was far from it

So am i or arent i?? :S

Yes. Blood test is definitive and 4.7 is high.

Urine measurement is a different ketone molecule and subject to the variability of kidney transfer and hydration status.

Yi5hedr3

Day 2 is still kinda early....give it some time....

N200lz

roblloyd89 wrote: »

Afraid not, your body has about 2 days of carbs at least

Okay, I've been thinking about that statement and it brings up a few questions.
Like:
How many carbs make up "One days worth of carbs?"
Is there a recommended daily minimum requirement for carbs?
What make up the "essential" carbs?
How are 2 days worth of carbs stored?

Christine_72

You should check out our low carb forum

http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group

nvmomketo

N200lz wrote: »

roblloyd89 wrote: »

Afraid not, your body has about 2 days of carbs at least

Okay, I've been thinking about that statement and it brings up a few questions.
Like:
How many carbs make up "One days worth of carbs?"
Is there a recommended daily minimum requirement for carbs?
What make up the "essential" carbs?
How are 2 days worth of carbs stored?

I think the body uses 25-40g of glucose per day.

There are various levels of carbs recommended by various governments and organizations, but the minimum need is zero. Zero is unlikely though because even meats will have some carbs in them.

There is no essential carbs, although there are some valuable micronutrients that are found more in plants; these are vitamin K, C and E. The other vitamins are generally found at higher, or comparable, levels in animals.

Glucose is stored as glycogen in the liver and muscles. Around a 100g is stored in the liver and 25g in the muscles. Once that is used up your body can creat it's own glucose from protein to be used.

N200lz

nvmomketo wrote: »

I think the body uses 25-40g of glucose per day.

There are various levels of carbs recommended by various governments and organizations, but the minimum need is zero. Zero is unlikely though because even meats will have some carbs in them.

There is no essential carbs, although there are some valuable micronutrients that are found more in plants; these are vitamin K, C and E. The other vitamins are generally found at higher, or comparable, levels in animals.

Glucose is stored as glycogen in the liver and muscles. Around a 100g is stored in the liver and 25g in the muscles. Once that is used up your body can creat it's own glucose from protein to be used.

Yes! The CICO folks really do not understand the whole concept of a ketone based energy system.
The body does not store carbs, it stores glycogen and fat.
You do not need carbs to create glycogen, The body can process protein into glycogen to take care of those needs.
That said, are there really any advantages to ketosis?
Yes, and especially in endurance. A carb based energy system can store as much as 2,000 calories of energy at the ready. An athlete that is in ketosis (a fat based energy system) has 20,000 calories available as a energy resource.

So why would anyone buy in to a energy system that only offers 10% of the available energy available?

nvmomketo

N200lz wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

I think the body uses 25-40g of glucose per day.

There are various levels of carbs recommended by various governments and organizations, but the minimum need is zero. Zero is unlikely though because even meats will have some carbs in them.

There is no essential carbs, although there are some valuable micronutrients that are found more in plants; these are vitamin K, C and E. The other vitamins are generally found at higher, or comparable, levels in animals.

Glucose is stored as glycogen in the liver and muscles. Around a 100g is stored in the liver and 25g in the muscles. Once that is used up your body can creat it's own glucose from protein to be used.

Yes! The CICO folks really do not understand the whole concept of a ketone based energy system.
The body does not store carbs, it stores glycogen and fat.
You do not need carbs to create glycogen, The body can process protein into glycogen to take care of those needs.
That said, are there really any advantages to ketosis?
Yes, and especially in endurance. A carb based energy system can store as much as 2,000 calories of energy at the ready. An athlete that is in ketosis (a fat based energy system) has 20,000 calories available as a energy resource.

So why would anyone buy in to a energy system that only offers 10% of the available energy available?

For me, keto is fine. For explosive, elite athletes some extra glucose in the diet (around time of exercise can offer an advantage.

Peter Attia has an interesting blog on it. He's a fairly high level athlete normally in ketosis who uses carbs as a "performance enhancing drug". Extra dietary glucose does not matter much to the likes of me who's most competitive pastime is a 10km race or a recreational basketball game.

To be fair, I think a lot of the naysayers, I won't call them CICO folks because weight loss does come down to that - ketosis just makes CICO easier to achieve for some - do understand ketosis. They just don't want to be in it and have no medical need or last ditch weight loss hopes (with years of failure behind them) to make ketosis appealing.

For them, the cons outweigh the pros. For me it is the other way around.