The January 2016 Running Challenge
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I have a group question:
Looking at my Garmin data I'm running 5-10 minutes and walking 2-3 my entire run. Once in a while, I have runs that are better or worse. I can run a race non-stop, 10k done, besides the chafing I had on the HM, I feel like I could have done it (minus the water stations). I nailed the first 10 miles.
My husband thinks its mental. I'll be able to rule out cardiac issues in a few weeks (which really I doubt I have, but who knows).
Lets assume it's mental. What the heck do I do? Could it really be mental?
While there could be a physiological component, an awful lot of distance running is mental. Assuming the walk/run thing is primarily mental, here's an exercise to train yourself to keep running: Instead of doing run/walk intervals, do run/run slower intervals. This will help you get mentally used to doing a couple of things: Running slower to rest instead of walking, and going back to running faster after you've had some recovery while running slower.
If you get scientific about this, Jack Daniels has several paces of different speeds that are used for different training purposes; and the distance or time of the interval varies by what length race you train for and where you are in the training cycle. But the mental aspect is pretty much the same; you get used to the idea that it's okay to run slower, but it's not okay to stop running.
That's a very simplified explanation of speed work. Its primary purpose is to train you to run faster in the race, but it can also help you with the mental effort to keep running and the mental effort to turn it up a notch when you get near the finish line.
Of course, all this needs to be tossed out the window if it turns out there is a real physiological reason you need to back off to walking for your intervals.
If it's simply that you can't keep running longer than 10 minutes, but you can run again after you've walked 3 minutes, chances are there's a simpler cure: Just run slower, to the point where you *can* keep running for however long your planned run is.
Thanks. I'm going to try to go slower. See if it really is mental.
I figure if I'm running a bit at a 8-9 min mile, I just may be overdoing it. I'll ease off the pace and focus on distance and stop trying to out run my husband. I was reading about using HR as a guide. I usually run till its 190-200+ then walk to 150-170 and run/walks again. I may shoot for slower pace that puts me about 160-170-which is a comfortable pace. Kind of a "duh" moment huh? LOL!
Did a stress test today. Unremarkable. I'm ruling out cardiovascular issues.0 -
KatEmmaMarie wrote: »So I got my long run in today! 10 miles with a brief walk to cool down afterwards at an 11'45'' pace. I definitely pushed myself a little too hard and ended up with some not so fun runners stomach, but after relaxing a little I'm doing better now. My legs were fine too, despite being a little sore going up and down stairs. Then my dogs escaped our back yard and when my neighbors came over and told us I went running out the house after them and I think I hurt my right shin in the process. Hopefully it'll be fine tomorrow, it would seriously suck if it's anything worse than a little sore.
Nice run!!!! Just rub a little ice up and down your shin and give your calf muscle a good massage with your hand - squeeze the calf all over and hold for around 30 seconds at a time and then do the same to your achilles muscle (just above your heel at the back of the leg)... with the palm of your hand on your calf muscle, move your thumb and other fingers to massage the muscle.. Don't be afraid to be rough - the harder the massage the better it will be! This helps relieve shin pain0 -
Off to a late start, but that means less room for procrastination! First run of the year done!
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I can't find who originally posted on the hydration/fueling question earlier but I did want to share my experiences as I have struggled with this and with the horrid GI distress. I have always taken something with me on longer runs greater than an hour (water and or Bloks or gummy bears and something for the pup). I followed the same practice for all my HMs and typically would fuel at the halfway point but I have been having some real stomach/intestinal issues that I could not figure out. My daughter is convinced it is all hydration related so before my HM last weekend I made sure I was very well hydrated. During the race I sipped water (only) at each hydration point and at mile 4 I had some gummy bears - only I didn't eat them, I let them dissolve slowly in my mouth. Same with the Blok at mile 6. I had NO stomach issues at all, not even a grumble. I also did not run out of steam, finished strong with a PR, placing higher than I thought I could in my AG. Having it work once doesn't mean it is the solution I know, but I was thrilled not to have any issue. I also don't really know if it was the hydration or not getting the gummies/bloks into my stomach to digest. The point is though that you have to keep trying things until you figure out what works for you.
It was me!
Someone mentioned eating jelly beans the other day too.. I actually really want to try the gummy bears though! The thought of having one of those gels (they look so gooey and I've heard they can be messy?) isn't real appealing lol
I will try the gummy bears on my next long run and see how I go!
I also ordered a Spibelt (should arrive later in the week) to carry my phone as I had to keep swapping hands on my 13K. I usually just play my music out loud when I'm running (ear phones bug me) but I know I need to start wearing head phones and get used to them so I'm hoping having the phone in the spibelt will be easier to manage the swaying headphone cords (I hate how they bounce around when I run - even if I lead the cords up my shirt) Will have to work on a more comfortable approach! And I also like the thought of ordering a water bottle for the spibelt in the future if holding a water bottle doesn't feel right
Also.. My New Year (virtual) 10k run is this Saturday! Just looked up the transit timetable and looks like my medal is only days away from arriving!! Yay!!
This running shizz is getting serious now!0 -
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MorningGhost14 wrote: »
Every time I have tried running everyday I develop @patrikc333 Syndrome....
what is it @MorningGhost14 ?0 -
01/01 - 10 miles
02/01 - 10.4 km
03/01 - 10.4 km
04/01 - 10.3 km
tot 46/500 km
standard crappy run, small improvements but not enough
wise to do a 10k tomorrow instead of usual HM (I won't be able to do it prob anyway)0 -
patrikc333 wrote: »MorningGhost14 wrote: »
Every time I have tried running everyday I develop @patrikc333 Syndrome....
what is it @MorningGhost14 ?
Seems like over-use injuries/inflammations to me. You run major miles without breaks. The elites might do 300-400 miles per month but not for extended periods of time. I'm no expert, it seems to me that would would probably do better with some lower mileage months interspersed with your 300+ months.
You may want to check out a book... Eric Orton's "The Cool Impossible"... he has some excellent training routines using a slant board and a stability disc designed to built total leg and core strength from the feet up. Once I started following his routines, I have been running virtually injury free. In fact, now that I am starting to get into heart of my 50k training, I am doing his routines at least twice a week. The slant board exercises in particular brought me virtually immediate relief to tired, worn inflamed feet and hips...
If you can't find the book or don't want to buy it, I have the key chapters scanned into my computer and can email them to you if you want to pm your email addy. (That invite is for anyone else who is interested as well.)0 -
While there could be a physiological component, an awful lot of distance running is mental. Assuming the walk/run thing is primarily mental, here's an exercise to train yourself to keep running: Instead of doing run/walk intervals, do run/run slower intervals. This will help you get mentally used to doing a couple of things: Running slower to rest instead of walking, and going back to running faster after you've had some recovery while running slower.
@MobyCarp, I used a run/run slower routine in my HM last October. Though I had never done it before (or even heard of it), I was concerned that I was going too fast and wouldn't be able to maintain my pace so around the 6 mile mark I dropped my pace from 8:45 to 9:45 to 10:00 for about a quarter mile (I think...going from memory) as a running rest and I think that worked very well. I was able to attack that last half of the half with renewed vigor and I did great. I'm definitely a proponent of trying a running rest.
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1/1/16-3.0miles
1/2/16-4.33miles
1/3/16-Rest
1/4/16-3.0
Total-10.33
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Not too late to join is it?
First day of exercise for 2016!
1/4/2016-Treadmill Intervals: 2 miles0 -
patrikc333 wrote: »01/01 - 10 miles
02/01 - 10.4 km
03/01 - 10.4 km
04/01 - 10.3 km
tot 46/500 km
standard crappy run, small improvements but not enough
wise to do a 10k tomorrow instead of usual HM (I won't be able to do it prob anyway)
@patrikc333 Just curious. Do you try to run all your runs at the same pace or do you switch it up?
Running almost every day would suggest you have some faster days and some slower recovery days.
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Hi, I just found this group/thread today and I'm hopping in. Goal for January is 60 miles. I did 2 yesterday and 2.8 this morning despite feeling crappy. Also starting to wonder if it's time for new shoes, blah.
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Wow! I took off a couple days and so many posts! Can't wait to run in the morning!!! It's supposed to be about 50. So, I did the holiday streak and we have this unusually HOT Florida weather. When my streak ends ... the temp drops to perfect running weather. But I really needed to rest a couple days and took them.
@7lenny7 - sorry about your cousin.
@runner_girl83 - how cute he is!
@crimson_white and @elise4270 - re: snot rockets. There is a product that your doctor can prescribe called “Bausch & Lomb Ipratropium Bromide Nasal Solution“. A fellow cycler mentioned it to me last winter because my nose was constantly running on the bike rides in the colder weather. This is “head down, no stopping biking” -- I can barely let go of my handle bars (even if I was proficient at snot rockets).
I asked my doctor about it and he said “I can’t believe you asked me about this!” He had read about it in a journal and had started prescribing it to his runners and athletes that have this problem and they all love it. I tried it on the one cold morning we had here, and when I biked in Charleston, and it’s great. It isn’t addictive and you just need a couple squirts and no runny nose. I'm going to try it while running tomorrow morning.
Many cyclists have no issue with runny noses, but one guy in the group is famous for it and my friend told me “NEVER GET BEHIND HIM!” @skippygirlsmom - lol you and Skip are experts at it!
@shanaber - interesting about the GI issues. I found if I mix gatorade and sports beans, I have the same problems. I don’t use sports beans on runs unless it's more than 6-7 miles. And I rarely have gatorade unless it’s summer. But I learned the hard way last summer... do not mix those two products!
@ohhim - finally some cooler weather down here! You are going to do great in the race given it will be cooler than what you’ve been training in.
@virkati - oh no, get better soon. Those things can linger.
@moremonica - not silly! We all started somewhere.
@stoshew71 - thanks for those links on nutrition.
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skippygirlsmom wrote: »CrimsonWhite wrote: »WhatMeRunning wrote: »Congrats on the new distance! I cranked out many miles last year at similar paces. Keep at it and you will be running distances you never thought you would even attempt. Better yet, you will feel like you could probably just keep on going forever after a good while of training like that. Not that I tried going on forever, mind you.
@kristinegift - I can't use GUs either. They make me super thirsty and I don't like the sticky mess.
@virkati - hope you feel better soon! Strep is serious stuff! Take care of it! And yes, running is addictive (Hello my name is Shana and I am a running addict!)
@runner_girl83 - I do think running helps your immune system once you have been doing it for a little while. Also, I have a Spibelt and love it. It is stretchy enough to fit my phone and bags for the pup and it doesn't bounce. I don't have water bottles for it - it might be too stretchy to support one though. I use a Fitletic belt for longer runs that has bottles you can attach. For the headphone cord you should see if you can find a clip for them. I have some from other headphones that I keep reusing. The clip hooks to the cord just below the Y point and I clip it in back on my sports bra or the neck of my shirt so I have no bouncing cord annoying me.
@MrsKGrady - welcome back!skippygirlsmom wrote: »moremonica wrote: »runner_girl83 wrote: »KatEmmaMarie wrote: »So I got my long run in today! 10 miles with a brief walk to cool down afterwards at an 11'45'' pace. I definitely pushed myself a little too hard and ended up with some not so fun runners stomach, but after relaxing a little I'm doing better now. My legs were fine too, despite being a little sore going up and down stairs. Then my dogs escaped our back yard and when my neighbors came over and told us I went running out the house after them and I think I hurt my right shin in the process. Hopefully it'll be fine tomorrow, it would seriously suck if it's anything worse than a little sore.
I was excited for today's run. Woke up and my back was fine and it wasn't raining (still hasn't started). Headed out and all was good but I must have jinxed myself talking about GI issues in my last post. I had to stop 3 times today and have no idea why unless it is a hydration issue and related to the evil, salty Chex mix I had yesterday! Anyway I felt better as soon as I got home and I got in an extra mile going back to the bathroom instead of heading directly home - LOL
Date..........Miles.........Total
01/01.......0.00..........0.00 - total rest/slug day. Did walk 1.5 miles with the pup
01/02.......9.33..........9.33
01/03.......0.00..........0.00
01/04.......7.16........16.49 + Agility
These are my upcoming races, let me know if you are going to be running too:
02/07/16 - Surf City Half, Huntington Beach, CA
02/20/16 - Special Edition Divas Half, Temecula, CA
02/27/16 - SoCal Running and Beer Fest, Lake Elsinore, CA0 -
@shanaber @ddmom0811
He put me on amoxicillin and I took the first dose in the parking lot of the pharmacy this afternoon.
I also talked to him about the hip issue. It's not a hip issue. It's the ITB. I never considered that because it doesn't radiate down my leg and no issues with that knee. Gave me some stretches, told me to foam roll and keep popping the motrin. He doesn't think the camber of the road I run on has anything to do with it, but I do. When I run on the treadmill, it acts up but it doesn't make me stop. On the road it hurts too bad to be able to actually run. So once I feel well enough to run again, I'm keeping it inside until the ITB doesn't flare up so much.0 -
@shanaber @ddmom0811
He put me on amoxicillin and I took the first dose in the parking lot of the pharmacy this afternoon.
I also talked to him about the hip issue. It's not a hip issue. It's the ITB. I never considered that because it doesn't radiate down my leg and no issues with that knee. Gave me some stretches, told me to foam roll and keep popping the motrin. He doesn't think the camber of the road I run on has anything to do with it, but I do. When I run on the treadmill, it acts up but it doesn't make me stop. On the road it hurts too bad to be able to actually run. So once I feel well enough to run again, I'm keeping it inside until the ITB doesn't flare up so much.
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I have a group question:
Looking at my Garmin data I'm running 5-10 minutes and walking 2-3 my entire run. Once in a while, I have runs that are better or worse. I can run a race non-stop, 10k done, besides the chafing I had on the HM, I feel like I could have done it (minus the water stations). I nailed the first 10 miles.
My husband thinks its mental. I'll be able to rule out cardiac issues in a few weeks (which really I doubt I have, but who knows).
Lets assume it's mental. What the heck do I do? Could it really be mental?
While there could be a physiological component, an awful lot of distance running is mental. Assuming the walk/run thing is primarily mental, here's an exercise to train yourself to keep running: Instead of doing run/walk intervals, do run/run slower intervals. This will help you get mentally used to doing a couple of things: Running slower to rest instead of walking, and going back to running faster after you've had some recovery while running slower.
If you get scientific about this, Jack Daniels has several paces of different speeds that are used for different training purposes; and the distance or time of the interval varies by what length race you train for and where you are in the training cycle. But the mental aspect is pretty much the same; you get used to the idea that it's okay to run slower, but it's not okay to stop running.
That's a very simplified explanation of speed work. Its primary purpose is to train you to run faster in the race, but it can also help you with the mental effort to keep running and the mental effort to turn it up a notch when you get near the finish line.
Of course, all this needs to be tossed out the window if it turns out there is a real physiological reason you need to back off to walking for your intervals.
If it's simply that you can't keep running longer than 10 minutes, but you can run again after you've walked 3 minutes, chances are there's a simpler cure: Just run slower, to the point where you *can* keep running for however long your planned run is.
Thanks. I'm going to try to go slower. See if it really is mental.
I figure if I'm running a bit at a 8-9 min mile, I just may be overdoing it. I'll ease off the pace and focus on distance and stop trying to out run my husband. I was reading about using HR as a guide. I usually run till its 190-200+ then walk to 150-170 and run/walks again. I may shoot for slower pace that puts me about 160-170-which is a comfortable pace. Kind of a "duh" moment huh? LOL!
Did a stress test today. Unremarkable. I'm ruling out cardiovascular issues.
Wow, those heart rates sound awfully high. On long runs, my heart rate peaks out somewhere between 160 and 185 while I warm up, then settles down to the mid-120s for the bulk of the run. When I let the pace creep faster, it hangs out in the mid 120s to mid 130s. For reference, Garmin puts me into Zone 3 at 129 beats per minute.
Even accounting for the fact that you're probably younger than I am, a continual run with HR in the 190s just blows my mind away. [Pause to check my last race . . .] At Resolution Run last Friday, my HR peaked at 175 because I didn't really have a quite long enough pre-race warm up; then it settled down and spent most of the race around 150. That's at race effort for 7.5 miles, on a tough day to run, in rolling hills. Take a look at Reindeer Run 5K . . . had a good pre-race warm up, and my HR peaked at 164 during the race and averaged 149. I ran Reindeer Run hard enough that I felt like puking when I stopped after crossing the finish line.
If I put that much effort into every run, I'd put myself onto the couch within 3 months.
Yeah, running slower sounds like the obvious thing for you to try.0 -
10 km - a slow 72 mins - 15 mins slower than my average. I blame it on a calf muscle that still needs a little babying ( run-walk-run for 1st km) and being over dressed even though it is -16C.
Fleece Tight + Running Tights + Running Shorts + Gore-Tex pants on bottom
2 Tech Shirts on top + Fleece vest and Coat. Didn't need the Gore-Tex pants and 1 of the Tech Shirts on top.
01/01 –0.0 Km – 140 km – 0.0 Km – – YTD – 0.0Km
01/01 –6.0 Km – 134 km – 6.0 Km – – YTD – 0.0 + 6.0 = 6.0Km
01/02 –7.0 Km – 127 km – 13.0 Km – – YTD – 7.0 + 6.0 = 13.0Km
01/03 –5.0 Km – 122 km – 18.0 Km – – YTD – 5.0 + 13.0 = 18.0Km
01/04 –10.0 Km – 112 km – 28.0 Km – – YTD – 10.0 + 18.0 = 28.0Km
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January Running Totals (miles)
1/1 - 10.17 warm up + 7.5 mile race
1/2 - 12.29 long slow run
1/3 - 5.16 easy with fast finish
1/4 - 6.01 easy
January to date total - 33.63
Goal - 51 to 62 miles per week, per training plan
expected January total - 245 to 251 miles
Today's notes - Winter is here. It was 14° with 10 mph N wind when I got out to run this evening. The lake effect snow had diminished to a few flakes looking pretty in my headlight, but no longer accumulation on my freshly shoveled driveway. The shoulders were snow covered, but the traffic lanes were clear. This is familiar winter running weather, except we didn't have any of it till this week.
At 14° it's a real challenge to hold the pace easy. The natural inclination is to run faster to generate more heat. My target for an easy run is a pace between 8:00 and 8:30; I managed to achieve a 7:56 average. That will just have to be close enough for today.
Upcoming races:
Jan. 9, 2016 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Rochester, NY)
April 18, 2016 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA)0 -
Also in a race you are running many times with others that are going your pace. Many of these folks are very steady runners.
@CrimsonWhite LOL at all the Snot Rocket advice. Yes it takes practise and as some else said do a shoulder check first to make sure that your not about to Shot a fellow runner.moremonica wrote: »I know this seems silly, but my goal is 10 miles for January.
@runner_girl83 I agree since adding running and swimming to my routine I seem to be less susceptible to colds.
When it comes to Fuel and Hydration Practise on Short Runs to see how they work for you. Some will be great - some will be disasters. And yes "This running shizz is getting serious now".0 -
to all experienced runners. A question.
So, I ran for ten miles yesterday. It was somewhat slow, 8:45 pace. I had such a good time running. However, I had heel and achilles tightness and pain in both feet. I iced both most for the day. Pain was a 7 or an 8 for a few hours when I walk, but because of the icing (me thinks), my feet were very okay today. No effect that I can tell.
The question, is this a sign that I am overworking myself and my muscles? Or is that a normal reaction given the fact that's my longest run ever and that I only started running five months ago? Do other runners suffer the same when they push themselves? (my regular runs are 4-6 miles.)
I decided to cross-train, run one day and do elliptical the other. Is that a good remedy?
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As @ddmom0811 pointed out, getting some very nice cooler weather this week. Still, I'm not sure it'll hold out until Sunday (as google is showing 64 degrees w. 94% humidity for the start of the race), but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it'll be closer to 60. Just did another slow 7 miles today. Will rest tomorrow, run Wed/Thu, rest Fri, then do a short run Saturday before the marathon.
1/3 - 10 miles (5 speedwork, 5 slow)
1/4 - 7 miles
Total: 17 miles
Goal: 180 miles
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I have one of *those* friends who makes a new years resolution and then finds all the excuses under the sun just days later. For years they have asked me to be their accountability partner and I have been willing to do it every time.. They have a huge list of why they need to get healthy/fit and how it will improve their life.. though the excuses, when they start, are so far fetched.. I try and talk them around every time with no luck. This New Year's was no different.. A promise to join a gym, lose weight, get strong, eat healthy... and now the excuses begin. I can't even bare to hear the excuses let alone be the accountability partner!! Do you know one of *those* people? How do you deal with it?
On the plus side.. This whole ordeal just makes me more determined to reach my goals for 2016:- To avoid injury
- To do at least 1 Fun Run/ Virtual Run each month
- To join a running club (already done!)
and here's the race list I'm working on.. maybe too many HM's? lol
2016 Races
9/1 – New Year Virtual 10K
6/2 – Ninja Virtual 10K
5/3 – Howl At The Moon Virtual 10K
26/3 – New York Strong Virtual HM
23/4 – Boston Strong Virtual 10K
(MAY) – Melanoma Awareness Virtual HM
(JUNE) – Rattle My Trail Virtual 25K
17/7 – Jetty 2 Jetty HM
(AUGUST) – Mental Health Awareness 10K
(SEPTEMBER) – Childhood Cancer 10K
22/10 – Run For Life 10K
(NOVEMBER) – Domestic Violence Awareness 10K
(DECEMBER) – Family Reunion HM
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to all experienced runners. A question.
So, I ran for ten miles yesterday. It was somewhat slow, 8:45 pace. I had such a good time running. However, I had heel and achilles tightness and pain in both feet. I iced both most for the day. Pain was a 7 or an 8 for a few hours when I walk, but because of the icing (me thinks), my feet were very okay today. No effect that I can tell.
The question, is this a sign that I am overworking myself and my muscles? Or is that a normal reaction given the fact that's my longest run ever and that I only started running five months ago? Do other runners suffer the same when they push themselves? (my regular runs are 4-6 miles.)
I decided to cross-train, run one day and do elliptical the other. Is that a good remedy?
Thanks!
Haven't had pain in achilles or heel before.. but occassionally get sore arches. I stand on my little spikey ball where it hurts and although it can get painful, my feet feel fantastic once I've done it!.. Maybe try that with your heels? or massage?0 -
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runner_girl83 wrote: »Date – Km’s – DTD
02/1 – 13.02 – 13.02 – 8:28 pace
04/1 – 05.06 – 18.08 – pushing pram, 8:40 pace
Decided to move my Tuesday running day to Monday’s instead.. I am going to challenge myself by running with my little boy in the stroller on these Monday runs – Boy it’s hard work! Kudos to all those running mums & dads out there that do it often! Have also joined the Running Mums Australia group – some meet up in certain suburbs each weekend so will try and get to some of those meetings this year!
Upcoming Races
9/1- New Year Virtual 10K
6/2- Ninja Virtual 10K
5/3- Howl At The Moon Virtual 10K
17/7- Jetty 2 Jetty HM (Redcliffe)
22/10- Run For Life 10K (Springfield)
@runner_girl83 - great run pushing the pram! When I had little babies, I tried running a couple of times with the pram, but found it way too hard. I was super happy to wait for hubs to get home so I could go out by myself.
Love the idea of virtual running too. Something I hadn't considered yet.0 -
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