"Making a Murderer" on Netflix
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it is soooooooooooo unbelievably frustrating to watch. sad sad sad story. REASONABLE DOUBT0
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brillmer87 wrote: »it is soooooooooooo unbelievably frustrating to watch. sad sad sad story. REASONABLE DOUBT
Exactly this!! So much doubt! That alone is a total miscarriage of justice!0 -
tonileigh820 wrote: »tonileigh820 wrote: »the documentary is basically one sided, favoring Steven Avery, because the prosecution/state didn't want to be a part of the documentary.
I have been sort of following this case for years but after watching the show I was truly sickened! I don't know if I believe 100% Avery is innocent, but the state didn't prove beyond doubt that he was guilty (even with their planted evidence) so he should be free right now.
I think the police found her car somewhere with her dead body inside, knew she was scheduled to be at the averys before her disappearance, so they brought her car to the lot and planted whatever evidence they could to make sure STEVEN was the one blamed, basically to save their own *kitten* (and money).
We should have an office somewhere together.
hell yeah! I just looked back and read what you had to say! I could go on and on and on about this
I know right!? Did you see the interview on HLN with Jody? His ex-girlfriend, that is now saying he did it?0 -
I just finished the 4th episode. It's actually kinda blowing my mind. I love a good documentary and this one has me hooked.
I dunno if I necessarily believe Avery BUT there is just way too many questions and things left unclear for a conviction. We have a reasonable doubt rule for a reason. If a person is not 110% of a persons guilt, how can you pass a verdict? It's crazy to think this could happen to anyone. And, BTW, if he didn't do it, there's a killer out there running rampant just as in the first Avery case!0 -
Received a friend request from a kkratz, wondering do I accept or not?? lol0
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tonileigh820 wrote: »tonileigh820 wrote: »the documentary is basically one sided, favoring Steven Avery, because the prosecution/state didn't want to be a part of the documentary.
I have been sort of following this case for years but after watching the show I was truly sickened! I don't know if I believe 100% Avery is innocent, but the state didn't prove beyond doubt that he was guilty (even with their planted evidence) so he should be free right now.
I think the police found her car somewhere with her dead body inside, knew she was scheduled to be at the averys before her disappearance, so they brought her car to the lot and planted whatever evidence they could to make sure STEVEN was the one blamed, basically to save their own *kitten* (and money).
We should have an office somewhere together.
hell yeah! I just looked back and read what you had to say! I could go on and on and on about this
I know right!? Did you see the interview on HLN with Jody? His ex-girlfriend, that is now saying he did it?
yes! I don't know what to think about her tho...claims she feared for her life to tell the truth back then...but he's in prison...if he did it and you knew it, he would be locked away forever so what exactly were you scared of?0 -
tonileigh820 wrote: »tonileigh820 wrote: »tonileigh820 wrote: »the documentary is basically one sided, favoring Steven Avery, because the prosecution/state didn't want to be a part of the documentary.
I have been sort of following this case for years but after watching the show I was truly sickened! I don't know if I believe 100% Avery is innocent, but the state didn't prove beyond doubt that he was guilty (even with their planted evidence) so he should be free right now.
I think the police found her car somewhere with her dead body inside, knew she was scheduled to be at the averys before her disappearance, so they brought her car to the lot and planted whatever evidence they could to make sure STEVEN was the one blamed, basically to save their own *kitten* (and money).
We should have an office somewhere together.
hell yeah! I just looked back and read what you had to say! I could go on and on and on about this
I know right!? Did you see the interview on HLN with Jody? His ex-girlfriend, that is now saying he did it?
yes! I don't know what to think about her tho...claims she feared for her life to tell the truth back then...but he's in prison...if he did it and you knew it, he would be locked away forever so what exactly were you scared of?
I think she is just jealous of his new woman! But I do believe he isn't as pure, as he'd like everyone to believe.0 -
People want a pardon for this guy?!
Not the case reopened.
Not the police and prosecutor investigated.
A pardon.
He's clearly a pretty horrible person at best. Even if he is innocent (not likely) I'm failing to lose sleep over it.
There are plenty of better people and causes who need attention.0 -
I watched the first 5 episodes a few weeks ago because everyone was raving about it so much. I found it pretty slow and boring and couldn't pay attention enough to stick with it. I felt like they could have condensed it into a few hours.
There was a lot of stuff left out of the documentary which makes me have little doubt that he did it, but I still think the sheriff's office and DA were shady as hell and probably screwed with or planted evidence. I'm not sure whether or not he should have been convicted (separate from whether he was guilty) because I didn't follow closely enough to see what was and was not allowed in at trial. The situation is crazy, the first trial and his incarceration were horrible, and everyone involved on the state/DA side seems pretty horrible. But, I still don't sympathize much with Avery and can't imagine he didn't do it.0 -
tonileigh820 wrote: »tonileigh820 wrote: »tonileigh820 wrote: »the documentary is basically one sided, favoring Steven Avery, because the prosecution/state didn't want to be a part of the documentary.
I have been sort of following this case for years but after watching the show I was truly sickened! I don't know if I believe 100% Avery is innocent, but the state didn't prove beyond doubt that he was guilty (even with their planted evidence) so he should be free right now.
I think the police found her car somewhere with her dead body inside, knew she was scheduled to be at the averys before her disappearance, so they brought her car to the lot and planted whatever evidence they could to make sure STEVEN was the one blamed, basically to save their own *kitten* (and money).
We should have an office somewhere together.
hell yeah! I just looked back and read what you had to say! I could go on and on and on about this
I know right!? Did you see the interview on HLN with Jody? His ex-girlfriend, that is now saying he did it?
yes! I don't know what to think about her tho...claims she feared for her life to tell the truth back then...but he's in prison...if he did it and you knew it, he would be locked away forever so what exactly were you scared of?
I think she is just jealous of his new woman! But I do believe he isn't as pure, as he'd like everyone to believe.
ooh good point. I didn't even think about his new (elderly lol) girlfriend! and yeah, he is definitely not some saint and I'm still not sure I think he's innocent...but I don't think it happened how the state claims either0 -
I watched the first 5 episodes a few weeks ago because everyone was raving about it so much. I found it pretty slow and boring and couldn't pay attention enough to stick with it. I felt like they could have condensed it into a few hours.
There was a lot of stuff left out of the documentary which makes me have little doubt that he did it, but I still think the sheriff's office and DA were shady as hell and probably screwed with or planted evidence. I'm not sure whether or not he should have been convicted (separate from whether he was guilty) because I didn't follow closely enough to see what was and was not allowed in at trial. The situation is crazy, the first trial and his incarceration were horrible, and everyone involved on the state/DA side seems pretty horrible. But, I still don't sympathize much with Avery and can't imagine he didn't do it.
I sympathize with him no matter what considering the state screwed him out of 18 years of his life for something they had proof he didn't do!0 -
the part that bothers me the most is the fact that Lenk and Colborne were ALL OVER the murder case.. when they were being SUED BY HIM... it's a complete conflict of interest
they never should have been anywhere near the case.. not to mention finding all the KEY pieces of evidences (see what i did there?)0 -
tonileigh820 wrote: »I watched the first 5 episodes a few weeks ago because everyone was raving about it so much. I found it pretty slow and boring and couldn't pay attention enough to stick with it. I felt like they could have condensed it into a few hours.
There was a lot of stuff left out of the documentary which makes me have little doubt that he did it, but I still think the sheriff's office and DA were shady as hell and probably screwed with or planted evidence. I'm not sure whether or not he should have been convicted (separate from whether he was guilty) because I didn't follow closely enough to see what was and was not allowed in at trial. The situation is crazy, the first trial and his incarceration were horrible, and everyone involved on the state/DA side seems pretty horrible. But, I still don't sympathize much with Avery and can't imagine he didn't do it.
I sympathize with him no matter what considering the state screwed him out of 18 years of his life for something they had proof he didn't do!
No you're right on that- that is horrible and no matter what he can never be repaid for that. I guess with that in mind I thought I would feel a lot worse for him though. But of course you could argue that being wrongfully imprisoned made him into a murderer if he did do it.0 -
tonileigh820 wrote: »I watched the first 5 episodes a few weeks ago because everyone was raving about it so much. I found it pretty slow and boring and couldn't pay attention enough to stick with it. I felt like they could have condensed it into a few hours.
There was a lot of stuff left out of the documentary which makes me have little doubt that he did it, but I still think the sheriff's office and DA were shady as hell and probably screwed with or planted evidence. I'm not sure whether or not he should have been convicted (separate from whether he was guilty) because I didn't follow closely enough to see what was and was not allowed in at trial. The situation is crazy, the first trial and his incarceration were horrible, and everyone involved on the state/DA side seems pretty horrible. But, I still don't sympathize much with Avery and can't imagine he didn't do it.
I sympathize with him no matter what considering the state screwed him out of 18 years of his life for something they had proof he didn't do!
No you're right on that- that is horrible and no matter what he can never be repaid for that. I guess with that in mind I thought I would feel a lot worse for him though. But of course you could argue that being wrongfully imprisoned made him into a murderer if he did do it.
that could be argued. personally, i think if he did do it, he did it thinking "they won't come after me again after all they put me through, now that the world knows I was innocent and the police knew it...I can get away with murder!" literally.0 -
brillmer87 wrote: »the part that bothers me the most is the fact that Lenk and Colborne were ALL OVER the murder case.. when they were being SUED BY HIM... it's a complete conflict of interest
they never should have been anywhere near the case.. not to mention finding all the KEY pieces of evidences (see what i did there?)
yep! and that alone is reason enough for a not guilty verdict0 -
tonileigh820 wrote: »brillmer87 wrote: »the part that bothers me the most is the fact that Lenk and Colborne were ALL OVER the murder case.. when they were being SUED BY HIM... it's a complete conflict of interest
they never should have been anywhere near the case.. not to mention finding all the KEY pieces of evidences (see what i did there?)
yep! and that alone is reason enough for a not guilty verdict
REASONABLE DOUBT
i could write a book on everything that's wrong with that trial lol0 -
april27kelli wrote: »I just wanna know if Brendan ever got to see WrestleMania...
I cried when he said that
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If you guys enjoyed watching this I highly recommend watching the documentaries they made on the case of the West Memphis 3. I believe it's 3 separate parts. Same astonishing BS with the legal system.0
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JessicaJS23 wrote: »If you guys enjoyed watching this I highly recommend watching the documentaries they made on the case of the West Memphis 3. I believe it's 3 separate parts. Same astonishing BS with the legal system.
I have watched that as well. Todd Moore is a shady cat. I watch hours and hours of trial movies, live trials, documentaries, read books. My favorite Author is John Grisham. I doubt there is any major case that I haven't watched, in some capacity. I guess you could say.. I was a knats *kitten* away from going to law school. Then real life happened. 0 -
I watched every episode, then did Google searches. They left out some important information, which would have fewer people requesting that he be pardoned.
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niamibunni wrote: »I watched every episode, then did Google searches. They left out some important information, which would have fewer people requesting that he be pardoned.
and who told you that they left out important information?
was it kratz by any chance?
and which evidence was actually evidence, and not something that easily could have been fabricated or made up?0 -
JessicaJS23 wrote: »If you guys enjoyed watching this I highly recommend watching the documentaries they made on the case of the West Memphis 3. I believe it's 3 separate parts. Same astonishing BS with the legal system.
I have watched that as well. Todd Moore is a shady cat. I watch hours and hours of trial movies, live trials, documentaries, read books. My favorite Author is John Grisham. I doubt there is any major case that I haven't watched, in some capacity. I guess you could say.. I was a knats *kitten* away from going to law school. Then real life happened.
It's never too late sir!!! I took criminal justice for extra college credits and fell in love unfortunately it would have taken me nowhere in this town if I pursued it. Tell me of any other recommendations if you have them.
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brillmer87 wrote: »niamibunni wrote: »I watched every episode, then did Google searches. They left out some important information, which would have fewer people requesting that he be pardoned.
and who told you that they left out important information?
was it kratz by any chance?
and which evidence was actually evidence, and not something that easily could have been fabricated or made up?
I can only presume she is talking about some of this...
https://youtu.be/2IpalmgaUKc 0 -
i watched the whole show. it's disgusting how corrupt that town is. i'd like to meet the jury who heard both cases and ask them how speculation and shaky evidence beats the truth of science! i hate this show it makes me so angry.
and how they used brendan because he's so impressionable. ugh. all of those officers ought to be thrown in a pit and have cement poured over their screaming, dying bodies.
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JessicaJS23 wrote: »JessicaJS23 wrote: »If you guys enjoyed watching this I highly recommend watching the documentaries they made on the case of the West Memphis 3. I believe it's 3 separate parts. Same astonishing BS with the legal system.
I have watched that as well. Todd Moore is a shady cat. I watch hours and hours of trial movies, live trials, documentaries, read books. My favorite Author is John Grisham. I doubt there is any major case that I haven't watched, in some capacity. I guess you could say.. I was a knats *kitten* away from going to law school. Then real life happened.
It's never too late sir!!! I took criminal justice for extra college credits and fell in love unfortunately it would have taken me nowhere in this town if I pursued it. Tell me of any other recommendations if you have them.
Have you watched the Jodi Arias stuff? Not the made for TV movie, but the actual criminal trial? I watched the entire trial, and if you are into that sort of thing, then it's amazing. Graphic, and horrific yes, but loved the way Martinez tried to prosecute her. (Which he did), and again in the sentencing. (She should have gotten death penalty). It's all available on Youtube. Let me know if you are interested, and I can give you the author's name and channel.0 -
I could not even believe what I was watching when I saw this series.....I think around episode 5 or so, I'm like....whether he was a killer or not, the way the case was handled again was completely wrong and the judge should have thrown out the whole case, and probably seek negligence charges against the sheriffs office!! The whole thing is sickening I think0
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JessicaJS23 wrote: »JessicaJS23 wrote: »If you guys enjoyed watching this I highly recommend watching the documentaries they made on the case of the West Memphis 3. I believe it's 3 separate parts. Same astonishing BS with the legal system.
I have watched that as well. Todd Moore is a shady cat. I watch hours and hours of trial movies, live trials, documentaries, read books. My favorite Author is John Grisham. I doubt there is any major case that I haven't watched, in some capacity. I guess you could say.. I was a knats *kitten* away from going to law school. Then real life happened.
It's never too late sir!!! I took criminal justice for extra college credits and fell in love unfortunately it would have taken me nowhere in this town if I pursued it. Tell me of any other recommendations if you have them.
Have you watched the Jodi Arias stuff? Not the made for TV movie, but the actual criminal trial? I watched the entire trial, and if you are into that sort of thing, then it's amazing. Graphic, and horrific yes, but loved the way Martinez tried to prosecute her. (Which he did), and again in the sentencing. (She should have gotten death penalty). It's all available on Youtube. Let me know if you are interested, and I can give you the author's name and channel.
Yes I kept up with all that as it was going on! Crazy stuff0 -
I guess I'm not surprised at human failings in our criminal justice system--there are some pretty saddening documentaries (Scottsboro boys: an American Tragedy; Central Park Five; Incident at Oglala...to name a few) about other incidents. And Serial's success as a podcast shows we might be interested in reform, perhaps?0
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JessicaJS23 wrote: »JessicaJS23 wrote: »JessicaJS23 wrote: »If you guys enjoyed watching this I highly recommend watching the documentaries they made on the case of the West Memphis 3. I believe it's 3 separate parts. Same astonishing BS with the legal system.
I have watched that as well. Todd Moore is a shady cat. I watch hours and hours of trial movies, live trials, documentaries, read books. My favorite Author is John Grisham. I doubt there is any major case that I haven't watched, in some capacity. I guess you could say.. I was a knats *kitten* away from going to law school. Then real life happened.
It's never too late sir!!! I took criminal justice for extra college credits and fell in love unfortunately it would have taken me nowhere in this town if I pursued it. Tell me of any other recommendations if you have them.
Have you watched the Jodi Arias stuff? Not the made for TV movie, but the actual criminal trial? I watched the entire trial, and if you are into that sort of thing, then it's amazing. Graphic, and horrific yes, but loved the way Martinez tried to prosecute her. (Which he did), and again in the sentencing. (She should have gotten death penalty). It's all available on Youtube. Let me know if you are interested, and I can give you the author's name and channel.
Yes I kept up with all that as it was going on! Crazy stuff
Or.... Read this book! If you like to read, or haven't already.
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