There are 'BAD' foods
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »Ok. So nobody has any objections at all whatsoever to chemical additives in food?
What specific ones are you interested in an opinion on?
no specific ones. when you see something like this. do you give it a second thought?
“Chicken Stock, Carrots, Potatoes (With Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate To Protect Color), Peas, Heavy Cream, Modified Food Starch, Contains 2% Or Less Of Wheat Flour, Salt, Chicken Fat, Dried Dairy Blend (Whey, Calcium Caseinate), Butter (Cream, Salt), Natural Chicken Flavor With Other Natural Flavors (Salt, Natural Flavoring, Maltodextrin, Milk Solids, Nonfat Dry Milk, Chicken Fat, Beef Extract, Ascorbic Acid [To Help Protect Flavor]), Monosodium Glutamate, Liquid Margarine (Vegetable Oil Blend [Liquid Soybean, Hydrogenated Cottonseed, Hydrogenated Soybean], Water, Vegetable Mono And Diglycerides, Beta Carotene [Color]), Roasted Garlic Juice Flavor (Garlic Juice, Salt, Natural Flavors), Gelatin, Roasted Onion Juice Flavor (Onion Juice, Salt, Natural Flavors), Chicken Pot Pie Flavor (Hydrolyzed Corn, Soy And Wheat Gluten Protein, Salt, Vegetable Stock [Carrot, Onion, Celery], Maltodextrin, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Flavors, Dextrose, Chicken Broth), Chicken Stock, Sugar, Mono and Diglycerides With Citric Acid to Protect Flavor, Spice, Seasoning (Soybean Oil, Oleoresin Turmeric, Spice Extractives), Parsley, Citric Acid, Caramel Color, Yellow 5. Enriched Flour (Bleached Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil, Water, Nonfat Milk, Maltodextrin, Salt, Dextrose, Sugar, Whey, Natural Flavor, Butter, Citric Acid, Dough Conditioner, L-Cysteine Hydrochloride, Potassium Sorbate and Sodium Benzoate (Preservatives), Colored With Yellow 5 & Red 40. Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Natural Flavorings, Citric Acid, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids, With Not More Than 2% Calcium Silicate Added as an Anti Caking Agent OR Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Corn Starch, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Modified Corn Starch, Spice Extractives, Citric Acid, and 2% Calcium Silicate added as Anticaking Agent OR Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Sodium Chloride and Anti-caking Agent (Tricalcium Phosphate), Nonfat Milk, Egg Whites, Colonel’s Secret Original Recipe Seasoning OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Sodium Chloride and Anti-caking agent (Tricalcium Phosphate), Nonfat Milk, Egg Whites, Colonel’s Secret Original Recipe Seasoning OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Natural Flavorings, Citric Acid, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids, With Not More Than 2% Calcium Silicate Added as an Anti Caking Agent OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Corn Starch, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Modified Corn Starch, Spice Extractives, Citric Acid, and 2% Calcium Silicate Added As Anticaking Agent OR Seasoning (Salt, Monosodium Glutamate, Garlic Powder, Spice Extractives, Onion Powder), Soy Protein Concentrate, Rice Starch and Sodium Phosphates. Battered With: Water, Wheat Flour, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Salt, Dextrose, Monosodium Glutamate, Spice and Onion Powder. Predusted With: Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, Salt, Dried Egg Whites, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Monosodium Glutamate, Spice and Onion Powder. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Soy Flour, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Monosodium Glutamate, Spice, Nonfat Dry Milk, Onion Powder, Dextrose, Extractives of Turmeric and Extractives of Annatto. Breading Set in Vegetable oil.”
No. And I've been pretty open in this thread about my previous experiences and why I don't label foods as good/bad.
Do you have the same reaction to this as you do to the above?
Goal posts officially moved. The second example has zero added chemicals, right?
Oh please. You were the one who called me naive in this thread yesterday. Do you really believe that this post hasn't moved away from the original goal posts 18 times by now? The poster I was replying to indicated that a long list of ingredients which they have no knowledge of is cause for concern to them. They also indicated very early on in this thread that there are bad foods for everyone and that long-ingredient-list-mystery-food is an example of one. If you think that it's moving the goal posts to inquire whether or not they have the same reaction to natural food lists, then you're not reading the same thread I am.0 -
alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »Ok. So nobody has any objections at all whatsoever to chemical additives in food?
What specific ones are you interested in an opinion on?
no specific ones. when you see something like this. do you give it a second thought?
“Chicken Stock, Carrots, Potatoes (With Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate To Protect Color), Peas, Heavy Cream, Modified Food Starch, Contains 2% Or Less Of Wheat Flour, Salt, Chicken Fat, Dried Dairy Blend (Whey, Calcium Caseinate), Butter (Cream, Salt), Natural Chicken Flavor With Other Natural Flavors (Salt, Natural Flavoring, Maltodextrin, Milk Solids, Nonfat Dry Milk, Chicken Fat, Beef Extract, Ascorbic Acid [To Help Protect Flavor]), Monosodium Glutamate, Liquid Margarine (Vegetable Oil Blend [Liquid Soybean, Hydrogenated Cottonseed, Hydrogenated Soybean], Water, Vegetable Mono And Diglycerides, Beta Carotene [Color]), Roasted Garlic Juice Flavor (Garlic Juice, Salt, Natural Flavors), Gelatin, Roasted Onion Juice Flavor (Onion Juice, Salt, Natural Flavors), Chicken Pot Pie Flavor (Hydrolyzed Corn, Soy And Wheat Gluten Protein, Salt, Vegetable Stock [Carrot, Onion, Celery], Maltodextrin, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Flavors, Dextrose, Chicken Broth), Chicken Stock, Sugar, Mono and Diglycerides With Citric Acid to Protect Flavor, Spice, Seasoning (Soybean Oil, Oleoresin Turmeric, Spice Extractives), Parsley, Citric Acid, Caramel Color, Yellow 5. Enriched Flour (Bleached Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil, Water, Nonfat Milk, Maltodextrin, Salt, Dextrose, Sugar, Whey, Natural Flavor, Butter, Citric Acid, Dough Conditioner, L-Cysteine Hydrochloride, Potassium Sorbate and Sodium Benzoate (Preservatives), Colored With Yellow 5 & Red 40. Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Natural Flavorings, Citric Acid, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids, With Not More Than 2% Calcium Silicate Added as an Anti Caking Agent OR Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Corn Starch, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Modified Corn Starch, Spice Extractives, Citric Acid, and 2% Calcium Silicate added as Anticaking Agent OR Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Sodium Chloride and Anti-caking Agent (Tricalcium Phosphate), Nonfat Milk, Egg Whites, Colonel’s Secret Original Recipe Seasoning OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Sodium Chloride and Anti-caking agent (Tricalcium Phosphate), Nonfat Milk, Egg Whites, Colonel’s Secret Original Recipe Seasoning OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Natural Flavorings, Citric Acid, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids, With Not More Than 2% Calcium Silicate Added as an Anti Caking Agent OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Corn Starch, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Modified Corn Starch, Spice Extractives, Citric Acid, and 2% Calcium Silicate Added As Anticaking Agent OR Seasoning (Salt, Monosodium Glutamate, Garlic Powder, Spice Extractives, Onion Powder), Soy Protein Concentrate, Rice Starch and Sodium Phosphates. Battered With: Water, Wheat Flour, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Salt, Dextrose, Monosodium Glutamate, Spice and Onion Powder. Predusted With: Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, Salt, Dried Egg Whites, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Monosodium Glutamate, Spice and Onion Powder. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Soy Flour, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Monosodium Glutamate, Spice, Nonfat Dry Milk, Onion Powder, Dextrose, Extractives of Turmeric and Extractives of Annatto. Breading Set in Vegetable oil.”
when i see this, i skip. i dont need to know if the ingredients are safe or not. there are enough things in there that i dont recognize that id rather stay away
Our own personal ignorance of what ingredients are isn't a great basis for determining if a food is safe or not. Are you saying it would be a good idea for a food scientist to eat this (because she knows the ingredients), but a bad idea for you to eat it?
So we're again in the land of subjectivity?0 -
The whole natural == good, artificial == bad is old on these boards. It's been easily debunked time and time again.
Lima Beans argument.0 -
Here we have one person saying because people haven't had a mass extinction due to bananas they're fine, while another person who agrees with his point was saying he's not gonna take the chance with additives that have been found safe for consumption because they might have some effects we just haven't noticed in all that time.0
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alstin2015 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »Ok. So nobody has any objections at all whatsoever to chemical additives in food?
What specific ones are you interested in an opinion on?
no specific ones. when you see something like this. do you give it a second thought?
“Chicken Stock, Carrots, Potatoes (With Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate To Protect Color), Peas, Heavy Cream, Modified Food Starch, Contains 2% Or Less Of Wheat Flour, Salt, Chicken Fat, Dried Dairy Blend (Whey, Calcium Caseinate), Butter (Cream, Salt), Natural Chicken Flavor With Other Natural Flavors (Salt, Natural Flavoring, Maltodextrin, Milk Solids, Nonfat Dry Milk, Chicken Fat, Beef Extract, Ascorbic Acid [To Help Protect Flavor]), Monosodium Glutamate, Liquid Margarine (Vegetable Oil Blend [Liquid Soybean, Hydrogenated Cottonseed, Hydrogenated Soybean], Water, Vegetable Mono And Diglycerides, Beta Carotene [Color]), Roasted Garlic Juice Flavor (Garlic Juice, Salt, Natural Flavors), Gelatin, Roasted Onion Juice Flavor (Onion Juice, Salt, Natural Flavors), Chicken Pot Pie Flavor (Hydrolyzed Corn, Soy And Wheat Gluten Protein, Salt, Vegetable Stock [Carrot, Onion, Celery], Maltodextrin, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Flavors, Dextrose, Chicken Broth), Chicken Stock, Sugar, Mono and Diglycerides With Citric Acid to Protect Flavor, Spice, Seasoning (Soybean Oil, Oleoresin Turmeric, Spice Extractives), Parsley, Citric Acid, Caramel Color, Yellow 5. Enriched Flour (Bleached Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil, Water, Nonfat Milk, Maltodextrin, Salt, Dextrose, Sugar, Whey, Natural Flavor, Butter, Citric Acid, Dough Conditioner, L-Cysteine Hydrochloride, Potassium Sorbate and Sodium Benzoate (Preservatives), Colored With Yellow 5 & Red 40. Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Natural Flavorings, Citric Acid, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids, With Not More Than 2% Calcium Silicate Added as an Anti Caking Agent OR Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Corn Starch, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Modified Corn Starch, Spice Extractives, Citric Acid, and 2% Calcium Silicate added as Anticaking Agent OR Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Sodium Chloride and Anti-caking Agent (Tricalcium Phosphate), Nonfat Milk, Egg Whites, Colonel’s Secret Original Recipe Seasoning OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Sodium Chloride and Anti-caking agent (Tricalcium Phosphate), Nonfat Milk, Egg Whites, Colonel’s Secret Original Recipe Seasoning OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Natural Flavorings, Citric Acid, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids, With Not More Than 2% Calcium Silicate Added as an Anti Caking Agent OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Corn Starch, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Modified Corn Starch, Spice Extractives, Citric Acid, and 2% Calcium Silicate Added As Anticaking Agent OR Seasoning (Salt, Monosodium Glutamate, Garlic Powder, Spice Extractives, Onion Powder), Soy Protein Concentrate, Rice Starch and Sodium Phosphates. Battered With: Water, Wheat Flour, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Salt, Dextrose, Monosodium Glutamate, Spice and Onion Powder. Predusted With: Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, Salt, Dried Egg Whites, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Monosodium Glutamate, Spice and Onion Powder. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Soy Flour, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Monosodium Glutamate, Spice, Nonfat Dry Milk, Onion Powder, Dextrose, Extractives of Turmeric and Extractives of Annatto. Breading Set in Vegetable oil.”
I rarely eat foods with labels like that, so it doesn't come up.
I read labels and if I don't know what something is/am concerned about it might look into it further.
Just having chemical names on a label doesn't bother me, though.0 -
alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
You trust anecdotal evidence more than empirical data?
So when I tell you that my grandfather smoked two packs a day and he lived to be 95, you conclude that smoking is safe?0 -
alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
If common sense was worth a cow's fart, we wouldn't have scientists today.
But as is obvious from your posts, you don't care much for science apparently.0 -
alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
You missed the discussion on fructose potential influencing pancreatic cancer development. So, bad example.
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If someone can look at the ingredient list from that food item above and then look at the individual components that make of a banana and not think any differently about them, wow. This is stuff I think understood when I was a kid. But apparently, it's such a difficult concept for some to grasp.diannethegeek wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »Ok. So nobody has any objections at all whatsoever to chemical additives in food?
What specific ones are you interested in an opinion on?
no specific ones. when you see something like this. do you give it a second thought?
“Chicken Stock, Carrots, Potatoes (With Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate To Protect Color), Peas, Heavy Cream, Modified Food Starch, Contains 2% Or Less Of Wheat Flour, Salt, Chicken Fat, Dried Dairy Blend (Whey, Calcium Caseinate), Butter (Cream, Salt), Natural Chicken Flavor With Other Natural Flavors (Salt, Natural Flavoring, Maltodextrin, Milk Solids, Nonfat Dry Milk, Chicken Fat, Beef Extract, Ascorbic Acid [To Help Protect Flavor]), Monosodium Glutamate, Liquid Margarine (Vegetable Oil Blend [Liquid Soybean, Hydrogenated Cottonseed, Hydrogenated Soybean], Water, Vegetable Mono And Diglycerides, Beta Carotene [Color]), Roasted Garlic Juice Flavor (Garlic Juice, Salt, Natural Flavors), Gelatin, Roasted Onion Juice Flavor (Onion Juice, Salt, Natural Flavors), Chicken Pot Pie Flavor (Hydrolyzed Corn, Soy And Wheat Gluten Protein, Salt, Vegetable Stock [Carrot, Onion, Celery], Maltodextrin, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Flavors, Dextrose, Chicken Broth), Chicken Stock, Sugar, Mono and Diglycerides With Citric Acid to Protect Flavor, Spice, Seasoning (Soybean Oil, Oleoresin Turmeric, Spice Extractives), Parsley, Citric Acid, Caramel Color, Yellow 5. Enriched Flour (Bleached Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil, Water, Nonfat Milk, Maltodextrin, Salt, Dextrose, Sugar, Whey, Natural Flavor, Butter, Citric Acid, Dough Conditioner, L-Cysteine Hydrochloride, Potassium Sorbate and Sodium Benzoate (Preservatives), Colored With Yellow 5 & Red 40. Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Natural Flavorings, Citric Acid, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids, With Not More Than 2% Calcium Silicate Added as an Anti Caking Agent OR Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Corn Starch, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Modified Corn Starch, Spice Extractives, Citric Acid, and 2% Calcium Silicate added as Anticaking Agent OR Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Sodium Chloride and Anti-caking Agent (Tricalcium Phosphate), Nonfat Milk, Egg Whites, Colonel’s Secret Original Recipe Seasoning OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Sodium Chloride and Anti-caking agent (Tricalcium Phosphate), Nonfat Milk, Egg Whites, Colonel’s Secret Original Recipe Seasoning OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Natural Flavorings, Citric Acid, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids, With Not More Than 2% Calcium Silicate Added as an Anti Caking Agent OR Potato Starch, Sodium Phosphate, Salt, Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Spices, Monosodium Glutamate, Corn Starch, Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate), Garlic Powder, Modified Corn Starch, Spice Extractives, Citric Acid, and 2% Calcium Silicate Added As Anticaking Agent OR Seasoning (Salt, Monosodium Glutamate, Garlic Powder, Spice Extractives, Onion Powder), Soy Protein Concentrate, Rice Starch and Sodium Phosphates. Battered With: Water, Wheat Flour, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Salt, Dextrose, Monosodium Glutamate, Spice and Onion Powder. Predusted With: Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, Salt, Dried Egg Whites, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Monosodium Glutamate, Spice and Onion Powder. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Salt, Soy Flour, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bicarbonate), Monosodium Glutamate, Spice, Nonfat Dry Milk, Onion Powder, Dextrose, Extractives of Turmeric and Extractives of Annatto. Breading Set in Vegetable oil.”
No. And I've been pretty open in this thread about my previous experiences and why I don't label foods as good/bad.
Do you have the same reaction to this as you do to the above?
Goal posts officially moved. The second example has zero added chemicals, right?
Oh please. You were the one who called me naive in this thread yesterday. Do you really believe that this post hasn't moved away from the original goal posts 18 times by now? The poster I was replying to indicated that a long list of ingredients which they have no knowledge of is cause for concern to them. They also indicated very early on in this thread that there are bad foods for everyone and that long-ingredient-list-mystery-food is an example of one. If you think that it's moving the goal posts to inquire whether or not they have the same reaction to natural food lists, then you're not reading the same thread I am.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
You trust anecdotal evidence more than empirical data?
So when I tell you that my grandfather smoked two packs a day and he lived to be 95, you conclude that smoking is safe?
The anecdotal evidence doesn't lie. Smoke away girl.0 -
alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
I will say this very carefully so I don't get another warning in this thread: You are probably not an ignorant person, but frankly that view that anecdotal evidence is superior to empirical date, even if it's just a personal preference, is ignorant. Either you don't truly understand what empirical data is, or your judgement in this particular matter is just flawed.0 -
suziecue20 wrote: »There are lots of foods that are 'bad' but obviously only when they are eaten in high volume and too frequently.
Food itself is not bad. I it the consumption volume that is bad. If I over eat apples, or over eat cake, in both cases it is the over eating that is bad. If I eat an apple or a reasonable slice of cake within my calories for the day, that is good.
So again, there are no bad foods.
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alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
I dunno, a banana has a lot of fructose in it and there are many in the nutrition world (Drs with PhDs, yada yada) and many on this board believe fructose to be cancer causing and/or the reason for the obesity epidemic... There is even some science that can be cherry picked to "prove" the point.0 -
alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
I dunno, a banana has a lot of fructose in it and there are many in the nutrition world (Drs with PhDs, yada yada) and many on this board believe fructose to be cancer causing... There is even some science that can be cherry picked to "prove" the point.
I just ate 2 tangerines. >20 grams of pure sugar in them. How *kitten* am I?0 -
stevencloser wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
I dunno, a banana has a lot of fructose in it and there are many in the nutrition world (Drs with PhDs, yada yada) and many on this board believe fructose to be cancer causing... There is even some science that can be cherry picked to "prove" the point.
I just ate 2 tangerines. >20 grams of pure sugar in them. How *kitten* am I?
RIP...0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »the lesser the processing, the better.
I've always found cooking meat to be an improvement over gnawing it right off the bone in the middle of the forest.
I also enjoy butter more than sucking milk straight from a cow's teat and swishing it around in my mouth until it's churned into a consistency that I can then spit onto my food.
...but then again, butter's probably one o' them there "Bad Foods".
But think of the calorie burn from mouth-churning your own fresh butter. It would probably turn butter into a negative calorie food.
Yeah, and the buttermilk byproduct right there in your mouth...
Right...but the the buttermilk needs to be expelled by some folks 'cause dem carbs....
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alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
Claiming that a long ingredient list consisting of items you don't immediately recognize is evidence that a food is full of dangerous chemicals and should be avoided, despite the fact that millions of people have eaten said food without any ill effect, is not common sense.
It's paranoia.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
I dunno, a banana has a lot of fructose in it and there are many in the nutrition world (Drs with PhDs, yada yada) and many on this board believe fructose to be cancer causing... There is even some science that can be cherry picked to "prove" the point.
I just ate 2 tangerines. >20 grams of pure sugar in them. How *kitten* am I?
Trick question: you're already dead. Stop communicating from beyond!0 -
Sometimes you really just never know what your eating. It may be tasty until you find out whats really in it. Is this an example of bad food? Some may say yes but some say no. Enjoy life.
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alstin2015 wrote: »Ok. So nobody has any objections at all whatsoever to chemical additives in food?
Did you know baking soda is a chemical additive? It's "real" name is sodium bicarbonate. Chemists reference it as as NaHCO3. Table salt is really sodium chloride, and its a food additive. Baking powder is 30% sodium bicarbonate, 5-12% monocalcium phosphate, and 21-26% sodium aluminium sulfate.
When I add eggs to a recipe, I'm really after an emulsifier and utilizing a lecithin in the eggs for this purpose. I could use lecithin from soy or sunflowers or another source, but eggs are cheap and readily available. If I was running a large baking operation, though, I might want to use another source because they are more stable over time, and often have fewer allergy problems for some people.
If I make a yeast-raised bread (leavened), then I need to add sugar. Not for "sweetness" but because the yeast are living microorganisms. They eat the sugar, then fart out carbon dioxide, giving me little bubbles of "air" in my bread that makes it fluffy. (That'd be Saccharomyces cerevisiae in my bread, by the way, the yeast; although some breads are made with Clostridium perfringens. Sourdough utilizes latobacillicus. )
People with gluten intolerance wind up adding a lot of other things like xantham gum to their food to get thickening. You might use corn starch or flour for the same purpose. Agar, Carageenan, Pectin, Locus Bean Gum, Gelatin, Alginic Acid (and all its derivatives, like sodium alginate) are all thickening "additives" that are from plants. Why are these things "bad"?
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We had a thread here once where someone claimed that Sodium Bicarbonate was a deadly toxin in KFC because it's used to strip paint (soda blasting). She and her family avoided all products that included it. Those were good times around here.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »i know that anything can be considered processing,(chopping, cooking, baking). i mean the heavy processing with tons of chemicals and additives that you wouldnt normally put on the food that you would cook at home, (McDonalds, cheetos, coke, candy, hot dogs)
Most (probably all) knew what you meant.
of course they do. they're just trying to out witty each other. some questions are probably genuine, but mostly people out for a laugh, which is ok with me
I just get frustrated when people use "processed" or "not natural" as if they meant bad or were on their face bad things. Technological advancements and doing what's not natural (like carting veg in from elsewhere or freezing them) seems to me a huge advantage for those of us in climates that wouldn't have fresh veg available much of the year. It's a sincere point. Same with making lots more fish available to people who live where I do, so on.
Not sure how freezing food is not natural. But I think it's just frustrating when people act as if all foods are equal.
Except people aren't treating foods as equal, they're just saying they aren't good or bad. To put it in terms of physics, the nutrients in food are not a scalar, but a vector.
When people say food is good or bad, they treat it like a scalar like temperature - it goes up or down, so supposedly you can just negate the bad with enough good, or that if you're only eating good food, you'll have good nutrition.
But nutrition is much more like a vector, like movement on a map - it involves both a direction and a magnitude. That's why it is impossible to say a food is good or bad without the dietary context. Saying broccoli is good is nonsense when the person already has so much calcium in their system that they're developing kidney stones. In that case, the broccoli would be taking their current calcium coordinate which is already in a danger zone, and putting it further in the danger zone.0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »Ok. So nobody has any objections at all whatsoever to chemical additives in food?
Did you know baking soda is a chemical additive? It's "real" name is sodium bicarbonate. Chemists reference it as as NaHCO3. Table salt is really sodium chloride, and its a food additive. Baking powder is 30% sodium bicarbonate, 5-12% monocalcium phosphate, and 21-26% sodium aluminium sulfate.
When I add eggs to a recipe, I'm really after an emulsifier and utilizing a lecithin in the eggs for this purpose. I could use lecithin from soy or sunflowers or another source, but eggs are cheap and readily available. If I was running a large baking operation, though, I might want to use another source because they are more stable over time, and often have fewer allergy problems for some people.
If I make a yeast-raised bread (leavened), then I need to add sugar. Not for "sweetness" but because the yeast are living microorganisms. They eat the sugar, then fart out carbon dioxide, giving me little bubbles of "air" in my bread that makes it fluffy. (That'd be Saccharomyces cerevisiae in my bread, by the way, the yeast; although some breads are made with Clostridium perfringens. Sourdough utilizes latobacillicus. )
People with gluten intolerance wind up adding a lot of other things like xantham gum to their food to get thickening. You might use corn starch or flour for the same purpose. Agar, Carageenan, Pectin, Locus Bean Gum, Gelatin, Alginic Acid (and all its derivatives, like sodium alginate) are all thickening "additives" that are from plants. Why are these things "bad"?
I like this post so much.
We had a thread here once where someone claimed that Sodium Bicarbonate was a deadly toxin in KFC because it's used to strip paint (soda blasting). She and her family avoided all products that included it. Those were good times around here.
That's in my Top Five all time threads.0 -
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Really?
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alstin2015 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
Claiming that a long ingredient list consisting of items you don't immediately recognize is evidence that a food is full of dangerous chemicals and should be avoided, despite the fact that millions of people have eaten said food without any ill effect, is not common sense.
It's paranoia.
its not evidence that the food is full of dangerous chemicals. its evidence that i dont know what is in it, and id rather not eat unknown chemicals, as much as i can possibly avoid them
Again, how many of the chemicals in a pieceof fruit are unknown to you? Just because the package doesn't list them doesn't mean they're not there. This is not a "if I can't see them they can't see me" scenario.0 -
alstin2015 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »alstin2015 wrote: »banana ingredient list. lol. its a banana. hundreds of years of consumption prove its safe
How? Everyone who has eaten bananas have died or will die. Some from cancer. Some from other stuff.
despite popular belief, common sense does exist, as does anecdotal evidence, which, frankly, i trust more than empirical data. bananas don't cause cancer. i can say that with certainty with no science to back it up
Claiming that a long ingredient list consisting of items you don't immediately recognize is evidence that a food is full of dangerous chemicals and should be avoided, despite the fact that millions of people have eaten said food without any ill effect, is not common sense.
It's paranoia.
its not evidence that the food is full of dangerous chemicals. its evidence that i dont know what is in it, and id rather not eat unknown chemicals, as much as i can possibly avoid them
Pure subjectivity can be a way to make food decisions, but it isn't a reasonable basis to declare that a food is "good" or "bad." I mean, I'm freaked out by those little dyed green fruit bits you find in holiday baked goods, but that doesn't mean they're bad. It's just a personal preference.
When you say there are bad foods, it should mean something more than a personal and subjective category, shouldn't it?
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Subjectivity regarding whether a food is "good or bad"
Long discussion about pizza
Obligatory post with ingredient list containing scary chemicals
Follow up obligatory post with banana infographic and all the chemicals in it
I think that should catch you up.
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There was some interesting talk, imo, about the nature of words and how we talk about things somewhere around page 17. But no one wanted to talk about that. Mostly it's the same old arguments again and again just like every other thread like this.0 -
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