Anyone done the Wild Rose Detox
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A few random thoughts.
- I have never done a "cleanse" except to prepare for a colonoscopy. I can't get that day back.
- Wild Rose brings to mind rose hips. Which is a North American fruit and in this part of the world, easily harvestable at any roadside ditch. So are North American fruits in or out?
- Rose hips are very high in vitamin C which might help the urine be more acidic and help prevent re-occurring UTI's.
- I won't even google Wild Rose Cleanse as I don't want the silly thing getting more attention than it deserves.
- Herbal remedies may be dangerous as they are unregulated and one just does not know how much of the active ingredients (if any) will be in the prescribed dose. Some herbal purgatives can be very powerful (translation:dangerous).
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Hi,
I am just wondering if anyone here has done the Wild Rose Detox before. My doctor (and yes an MD) has recommended I do a detox to help flush out colon and kidneys and it also helps detox the liver. There were a couple she recommended, all of which you can still eat on but your food is limited (basically no dairy, carbs, tropical fruit, sugar that type of thing) and you take the supplements. My trainer has used this particular one and really recommends it but I am wondering if anyone on here has done it. My biggest reluctance is the laxative supplement.
Would love to here if anyone has any experience with this one.
Thanks,
An actual MD said this? I think I'd report them to the state licensing board.5 -
Thank you for your opinion but I didn't ask about whether anyone recommends doing a detox, I asked if anyone had tried a particular one.
I have a lot of medical issues and this doctor has been the only one that has gotten me healthy enough that I can workout everyday and have a lot of energy now. She also held my hand through my entire cancer ordeal so I think I will trust her opinion on detox's first.
She out right said not do do any of the one's you don't get to eat and you only drink certain things every day because she says those are unhealthy.
It doesn't matter about this particular one. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1159755/looking-for-a-detox-cleanse0 -
JenniferLynWhatx wrote: »UTIs are caused by bacteria and should be treated with antibiotics. Herbal substances are not regulated by the FDA, and can therefore be dangerous to take - especially if you have medical conditions requiring you to take certain prescription drugs.
I have done the antibiotic's, and it goes away but then comes back which is why she wants me to try taking some supplements and eliminating things from my diet and see if it helps.
A urinary tract infection is caused by bacteria that grows inside your urinary tract. There is no dietary cause. This is absolute hogwash. If you have chronic UTI issues it could be there is a slight prolapse that causes your bladder not to empty fully, it could be more simple and have to do with how bacteria enters your urethra.
You are getting absolutely DANGEROUS advice.3 -
KittyHeaven74 wrote: »
I know there are naysayers on this thread, but I say do what feels right to you under your doctor's supervision. Kudos for asking around and doing your own research, too.
Do what feels right? Sorry, around here don't stand for unscientific woo and things that can be potentially dangerous.
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MissusMoon wrote: »
An actual MD said this? I think I'd report them to the state licensing board.
Must I repeat myself? Why don't you take a cursory glance at the plan she's asking about before making such a dramatic judgement call? You'd report a doctor to the licensing board without any knowledge whatsoever about the details of their recommendation? Jesus. If you gotta be a snitch at least be an informed snitch.
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MissusMoon wrote: »
An actual MD said this? I think I'd report them to the state licensing board.
Must I repeat myself? Why don't you take a cursory glance at the plan she's asking about before making such a dramatic judgement call? You'd report a doctor to the licensing board without any knowledge whatsoever about the details of their recommendation? Jesus. If you gotta be a snitch at least be an informed snitch.
Between recommending a detox and trying to treat chronic UTI symptoms with diet, yeah, I would.
LOL @ "snitch".
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MissusMoon wrote: »JenniferLynWhatx wrote: »UTIs are caused by bacteria and should be treated with antibiotics. Herbal substances are not regulated by the FDA, and can therefore be dangerous to take - especially if you have medical conditions requiring you to take certain prescription drugs.
I have done the antibiotic's, and it goes away but then comes back which is why she wants me to try taking some supplements and eliminating things from my diet and see if it helps.
A urinary tract infection is caused by bacteria that grows inside your urinary tract. There is no dietary cause. This is absolute hogwash. If you have chronic UTI issues it could be there is a slight prolapse that causes your bladder not to empty fully, it could be more simple and have to do with how bacteria enters your urethra.
You are getting absolutely DANGEROUS advice.
Second this. You can get septicemia from such an infection. It happened to a coworker of mine, otherwise healthy and in her 20s. She ended up in the hospital. Do not take chronic bacteria infections lightly.2 -
As for the UTI, I get one every time I have a spa! I refuse to use them anymore.1
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JenniferLynWhatx wrote: »
No Dietitian & they're Dietitians that solely deal with cancer patients; they're known as Oncology Dietitians!0 -
Ha!I've done the Wild Turkey detox.
Once.
I've done similar 'detoxes', but I never, ever learn.
MissusMoon wrote: »
An actual MD said this? I think I'd report them to the state licensing board.
Must I repeat myself? Why don't you take a cursory glance at the plan she's asking about before making such a dramatic judgement call? You'd report a doctor to the licensing board without any knowledge whatsoever about the details of their recommendation? Jesus. If you gotta be a snitch at least be an informed snitch.
Because detoxes are unnecessary pretty and expensive boxes of woo made up of herbs that make claims that don't deliver.... the body doesn't need to detox. She IS right. There is very dangerous information on here, and a detox won't help with her condition.2 -
I haven't done that detox, but I have used many of Dr. Schulze's products. Especially for chronic UTIs, I've used his kidney/bladder drops and tea. You can look for his herbal formulas at herbdoc.com and decide for yourself.0
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DancingMoosie wrote: »I haven't done that detox, but I have used many of Dr. Schulze's products. Especially for chronic UTIs, I've used his kidney/bladder drops and tea. You can look for his herbal formulas at herbdoc.com and decide for yourself.
Just no. Looking through some of those products and they can be DEADLY.
On the website "blockage is the root of all disease"- no no no.
This is just another snake oil salesman who's products can actually be dangerous. Avoid!
ETA- this guy states his products are gluten free, even though some have wheat and barley. Definitely not someone you want to be taking advice from.5 -
DancingMoosie wrote: »I haven't done that detox, but I have used many of Dr. Schulze's products. Especially for chronic UTIs, I've used his kidney/bladder drops and tea. You can look for his herbal formulas at herbdoc.com and decide for yourself.
Just no. Looking through some of those products and they can be DEADLY.
On the website "blockage is the root of all disease"- no no no.
This is just another snake oil salesman who's products can actually be dangerous. Avoid!
ETA- this guy states his products are gluten free, even though some have wheat and barley. Definitely not someone you want to be taking advice from.
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Well... I'm not dead and I don't have chronic utis anymore...
Like I said, make your own decision.0 -
I wouldn't reccomend a full-scale detox for treating a UTI. You don't need the laxatives, and you don't need the cleansing herbs. Mostly, I'd just reccomend cranberry capsules (Cranberry + D-Manose would be better, if you can find them, although they're more pricey. Cranberry juice concentrate can also be used, but try to find it unsweetened), a good probiotic -- preferably one that is optimized for urinary tract issues, and a diuretic along with plenty of clear fluids. Uva Ursi, in particular, can soothe the lining of your urinary tract and can buffer the acidity of your urine slightly, which can help alleviate discomfort. Dandelion is another good diuretic, but I'd go for Uva Ursi instead in your case.
Lots of other fermented foods can help as well. Kombucha, yogurt, kefir, raw saurkraut, ect...1 -
Strawblackcat wrote: »I wouldn't reccomend a full-scale detox for treating a UTI. You don't need the laxatives, and you don't need the cleansing herbs. Mostly, I'd just reccomend cranberry capsules (Cranberry + D-Manose would be better, if you can find them, although they're more pricey. Cranberry juice concentrate can also be used, but try to find it unsweetened), a good probiotic -- preferably one that is optimized for urinary tract issues, and a diuretic along with plenty of clear fluids. Uva Ursi, in particular, can soothe the lining of your urinary tract and can buffer the acidity of your urine slightly, which can help alleviate discomfort. Dandelion is another good diuretic, but I'd go for Uva Ursi instead in your case.
Lots of other fermented foods can help as well. Kombucha, yogurt, kefir, raw saurkraut, ect...
No. Just no.
Cranberry juice has been a popular folk treatment for years. A decent reason why cranberry might prevent or treat urinary tract infections is still lacking despite five decades of study. An ingredient in cranberry, proanthocyanidins, is thought to block some variants of E. coli bacteria from adhering to bladder cells, which might reduce the risk of infection. But these “fimbriated” bacteria are uncommon in species isolated from urinary tract infections. So even if the theoretical mechanism of action is correct (which remains unproven), the real-world effect, based on this assumption, should be minimal. And that’s largely what the evidence shows, when you account for the poor research quality. But we don’t need to know how it works, if it works. And there is no good evidence that cranberry is an effective treatment for UTIs
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/cranberry-the-alt-med-zombie/1 -
Strawblackcat wrote: »I wouldn't reccomend a full-scale detox for treating a UTI. You don't need the laxatives, and you don't need the cleansing herbs. Mostly, I'd just reccomend cranberry capsules (Cranberry + D-Manose would be better, if you can find them, although they're more pricey. Cranberry juice concentrate can also be used, but try to find it unsweetened), a good probiotic -- preferably one that is optimized for urinary tract issues, and a diuretic along with plenty of clear fluids. Uva Ursi, in particular, can soothe the lining of your urinary tract and can buffer the acidity of your urine slightly, which can help alleviate discomfort. Dandelion is another good diuretic, but I'd go for Uva Ursi instead in your case.
Lots of other fermented foods can help as well. Kombucha, yogurt, kefir, raw saurkraut, ect...Strawblackcat wrote: »I wouldn't reccomend a full-scale detox for treating a UTI. You don't need the laxatives, and you don't need the cleansing herbs. Mostly, I'd just reccomend cranberry capsules (Cranberry + D-Manose would be better, if you can find them, although they're more pricey. Cranberry juice concentrate can also be used, but try to find it unsweetened), a good probiotic -- preferably one that is optimized for urinary tract issues, and a diuretic along with plenty of clear fluids. Uva Ursi, in particular, can soothe the lining of your urinary tract and can buffer the acidity of your urine slightly, which can help alleviate discomfort. Dandelion is another good diuretic, but I'd go for Uva Ursi instead in your case.
Lots of other fermented foods can help as well. Kombucha, yogurt, kefir, raw saurkraut, ect...
Most doctors would reccommend antibiotics for a uti.1 -
Strawblackcat wrote: »I wouldn't reccomend a full-scale detox for treating a UTI. You don't need the laxatives, and you don't need the cleansing herbs. Mostly, I'd just reccomend cranberry capsules (Cranberry + D-Manose would be better, if you can find them, although they're more pricey. Cranberry juice concentrate can also be used, but try to find it unsweetened), a good probiotic -- preferably one that is optimized for urinary tract issues, and a diuretic along with plenty of clear fluids. Uva Ursi, in particular, can soothe the lining of your urinary tract and can buffer the acidity of your urine slightly, which can help alleviate discomfort. Dandelion is another good diuretic, but I'd go for Uva Ursi instead in your case.
Lots of other fermented foods can help as well. Kombucha, yogurt, kefir, raw saurkraut, ect...Strawblackcat wrote: »I wouldn't reccomend a full-scale detox for treating a UTI. You don't need the laxatives, and you don't need the cleansing herbs. Mostly, I'd just reccomend cranberry capsules (Cranberry + D-Manose would be better, if you can find them, although they're more pricey. Cranberry juice concentrate can also be used, but try to find it unsweetened), a good probiotic -- preferably one that is optimized for urinary tract issues, and a diuretic along with plenty of clear fluids. Uva Ursi, in particular, can soothe the lining of your urinary tract and can buffer the acidity of your urine slightly, which can help alleviate discomfort. Dandelion is another good diuretic, but I'd go for Uva Ursi instead in your case.
Lots of other fermented foods can help as well. Kombucha, yogurt, kefir, raw saurkraut, ect...
Most doctors would reccommend antibiotics for a uti.
You could go that way, too. I guess the talk about detoxes just made me think of alternative medicine.
Do you think that she sees an integrative medicine doctor? I can't imagine many regular physicians prescribing a detox, and I also can't imagine many insurance providers covering naturopaths.1 -
Strawblackcat wrote: »Strawblackcat wrote: »I wouldn't reccomend a full-scale detox for treating a UTI. You don't need the laxatives, and you don't need the cleansing herbs. Mostly, I'd just reccomend cranberry capsules (Cranberry + D-Manose would be better, if you can find them, although they're more pricey. Cranberry juice concentrate can also be used, but try to find it unsweetened), a good probiotic -- preferably one that is optimized for urinary tract issues, and a diuretic along with plenty of clear fluids. Uva Ursi, in particular, can soothe the lining of your urinary tract and can buffer the acidity of your urine slightly, which can help alleviate discomfort. Dandelion is another good diuretic, but I'd go for Uva Ursi instead in your case.
Lots of other fermented foods can help as well. Kombucha, yogurt, kefir, raw saurkraut, ect...Strawblackcat wrote: »I wouldn't reccomend a full-scale detox for treating a UTI. You don't need the laxatives, and you don't need the cleansing herbs. Mostly, I'd just reccomend cranberry capsules (Cranberry + D-Manose would be better, if you can find them, although they're more pricey. Cranberry juice concentrate can also be used, but try to find it unsweetened), a good probiotic -- preferably one that is optimized for urinary tract issues, and a diuretic along with plenty of clear fluids. Uva Ursi, in particular, can soothe the lining of your urinary tract and can buffer the acidity of your urine slightly, which can help alleviate discomfort. Dandelion is another good diuretic, but I'd go for Uva Ursi instead in your case.
Lots of other fermented foods can help as well. Kombucha, yogurt, kefir, raw saurkraut, ect...
Most doctors would reccommend antibiotics for a uti.
You could go that way, too. I guess the talk about detoxes just made me think of alternative medicine.
Do you think that she sees an integrative medicine doctor? I can't imagine many regular physicians prescribing a detox, and I also can't imagine many insurance providers covering naturopaths.
I'm starting to wonder about this being a real MD.0
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