Anyone done the Wild Rose Detox
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Last_mango_in_paradise wrote: »JenniferLynWhatx wrote: »UTIs are caused by bacteria and should be treated with antibiotics. Herbal substances are not regulated by the FDA, and can therefore be dangerous to take - especially if you have medical conditions requiring you to take certain prescription drugs.
Herbal supplements are not dangerous.
ORLY?
Emergency Department Visits for Adverse Events Related to Dietary Supplements
Andrew I. Geller, M.D., Nadine Shehab, Pharm.D., M.P.H., Nina J. Weidle, Pharm.D., Maribeth C. Lovegrove, M.P.H., Beverly J. Wolpert, Ph.D., Babgaleh B. Timbo, M.D., Dr.P.H., Robert P. Mozersky, D.O., and Daniel S. Budnitz, M.D., M.P.H.
N Engl J Med 2015; 373:1531-1540October 15, 2015DOI: 10.1056/NEJMsa1504267
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Background
Dietary supplements, such as herbal or complementary nutritional products and micronutrients (vitamins and minerals), are commonly used in the United States, yet national data on adverse effects are limited.
Methods
We used nationally representative surveillance data from 63 emergency departments obtained from 2004 through 2013 to describe visits to U.S. emergency departments because of adverse events related to dietary supplements.
Results
On the basis of 3667 cases, we estimated that 23,005 (95% confidence interval [CI], 18,611 to 27,398) emergency department visits per year were attributed to adverse events related to dietary supplements. These visits resulted in an estimated 2154 hospitalizations (95% CI, 1342 to 2967) annually. Such visits frequently involved young adults between the ages of 20 and 34 years (28.0% of visits; 95% CI, 25.1 to 30.8) and unsupervised children (21.2% of visits; 95% CI, 18.4 to 24.0). After the exclusion of unsupervised ingestion of dietary supplements by children, 65.9% (95% CI, 63.2 to 68.5) of emergency department visits for single-supplement–related adverse events involved herbal or complementary nutritional products; 31.8% (95% CI, 29.2 to 34.3) involved micronutrients. Herbal or complementary nutritional products for weight loss (25.5%; 95% CI, 23.1 to 27.9) and increased energy (10.0%; 95% CI, 8.0 to 11.9) were commonly implicated. Weight-loss or energy products caused 71.8% (95% CI, 67.6 to 76.1) of supplement-related adverse events involving palpitations, chest pain, or tachycardia, and 58.0% (95% CI, 52.2 to 63.7) involved persons 20 to 34 years of age. Among adults 65 years of age or older, choking or pill-induced dysphagia or globus caused 37.6% (95% CI, 29.1 to 46.2) of all emergency department visits for supplement-related adverse events; micronutrients were implicated in 83.1% (95% CI, 73.3 to 92.9) of these visits.
Conclusions
An estimated 23,000 emergency department visits in the United States every year are attributed to adverse events related to dietary supplements. Such visits commonly involve cardiovascular manifestations from weight-loss or energy products among young adults and swallowing problems, often associated with micronutrients, among older adults. (Funded by the Department of Health and Human Services.)
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1504267
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punkrockgoth wrote: »What I'm not understanding here is if the OP's doctor believes a detox is medically necessary, why that doctor didn't recommend which detox and then supervise it given all the risks involved with detoxes sold on the market today.
She never said it was medically necessary, she said it was something I could try, as the doctors can't seem to figure out what is happening on several fronts, and a few of her patients have had good results using one. She did recommend 1 of 3 different one's and specifically said only one of those one's, and I never said she wouldn't be supervising me, in fact she will closely if that is what I choose yo do. I asked about this particular one because my trainer had done it himself and liked how he felt after. And for those saying get a new trainer, he never once said to do a detox, he sticks to workout advice and general simple nutrition advice. He would never push a detox on anyone, I asked him if he had ever done one and recognized any of the names.
From your original post:My doctor (and yes an MD) has recommended I do a detox to help flush out colon and kidneys and it also helps detox the liver. There were a couple she recommended, all of which you can still eat on but your food is limited (basically no dairy, carbs, tropical fruit, sugar that type of thing) and you take the supplements.
Okay, so you didn't say "medically necessary". My mistake. I'm trying to find where you said your doctor would be supervising you. I don't see it. If your doctor has recommended a detox and is supervising you, then go with that. Posing this question in a forum is not conducting research no matter how many times you say it is.
You seem to have made up your mind that you are doing this detox and anyone who suggests a second opinion/different specialist. You seem to get defensive when other people are posting their research on this and other detoxes on the thread. You say they're not answering your question or not listening to what it is you're saying, so I'm still not really sure what it is you're doing here on with this thread, but I am inclined to think that you're a special snowflake who is full of *kitten*.3 -
I agree with pp, you combat everything that is said against the "detox" or your doctor/trainer. You've clearly made up your mind so go ahead with the "detox". I suspect your Dr has gotten a similar line of resistance from you when he/she has likely suggested many of your health problems are caused by an unhealthy diet and lifestyle. The fact is eating an unbalanced diet in excess will cause weight gain and many health issues. Most Dr's I've met will recommend weight loss and exercise to help with issues that seem to have no cause. Based on your resistance here to anything said against the detox I can only come to the conclusion that your Dr doesn't know what else to tell you as I assume your telling the Dr that you are doing everything right yet not getting any better.
My advice would be to read the helpful posts in this forum for how to get your health back on track, especially the success threads. There are many in there that suffered with health issues prior to weight loss, and now have reversed those problems.
Other than doing that I'd have to say that coming on a calorie counting website forum for input on a detox seems misguided. Google the detox and follow those threads if you really only want validity for it. You've been given very solid input on the idea of detoxing but its apparent that you only want someone to tell you what a great idea it is and how it will solve all your problems magically, unfortunately that's not how it works.
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Most doctors have NO training/education in nutrition. I do not take nutritional advice from my doctor.
Your body does not need a cleanse.
Cranberry juice or capsules help with persistant UTIs.
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FunkyTobias wrote: »Last_mango_in_paradise wrote: »JenniferLynWhatx wrote: »UTIs are caused by bacteria and should be treated with antibiotics. Herbal substances are not regulated by the FDA, and can therefore be dangerous to take - especially if you have medical conditions requiring you to take certain prescription drugs.
Herbal supplements are not dangerous.
ORLY?
Emergency Department Visits for Adverse Events Related to Dietary Supplements
Andrew I. Geller, M.D., Nadine Shehab, Pharm.D., M.P.H., Nina J. Weidle, Pharm.D., Maribeth C. Lovegrove, M.P.H., Beverly J. Wolpert, Ph.D., Babgaleh B. Timbo, M.D., Dr.P.H., Robert P. Mozersky, D.O., and Daniel S. Budnitz, M.D., M.P.H.
N Engl J Med 2015; 373:1531-1540October 15, 2015DOI: 10.1056/NEJMsa1504267
Share:
Background
Dietary supplements, such as herbal or complementary nutritional products and micronutrients (vitamins and minerals), are commonly used in the United States, yet national data on adverse effects are limited.
Methods
We used nationally representative surveillance data from 63 emergency departments obtained from 2004 through 2013 to describe visits to U.S. emergency departments because of adverse events related to dietary supplements.
Results
On the basis of 3667 cases, we estimated that 23,005 (95% confidence interval [CI], 18,611 to 27,398) emergency department visits per year were attributed to adverse events related to dietary supplements. These visits resulted in an estimated 2154 hospitalizations (95% CI, 1342 to 2967) annually. Such visits frequently involved young adults between the ages of 20 and 34 years (28.0% of visits; 95% CI, 25.1 to 30.8) and unsupervised children (21.2% of visits; 95% CI, 18.4 to 24.0). After the exclusion of unsupervised ingestion of dietary supplements by children, 65.9% (95% CI, 63.2 to 68.5) of emergency department visits for single-supplement–related adverse events involved herbal or complementary nutritional products; 31.8% (95% CI, 29.2 to 34.3) involved micronutrients. Herbal or complementary nutritional products for weight loss (25.5%; 95% CI, 23.1 to 27.9) and increased energy (10.0%; 95% CI, 8.0 to 11.9) were commonly implicated. Weight-loss or energy products caused 71.8% (95% CI, 67.6 to 76.1) of supplement-related adverse events involving palpitations, chest pain, or tachycardia, and 58.0% (95% CI, 52.2 to 63.7) involved persons 20 to 34 years of age. Among adults 65 years of age or older, choking or pill-induced dysphagia or globus caused 37.6% (95% CI, 29.1 to 46.2) of all emergency department visits for supplement-related adverse events; micronutrients were implicated in 83.1% (95% CI, 73.3 to 92.9) of these visits.
Conclusions
An estimated 23,000 emergency department visits in the United States every year are attributed to adverse events related to dietary supplements. Such visits commonly involve cardiovascular manifestations from weight-loss or energy products among young adults and swallowing problems, often associated with micronutrients, among older adults. (Funded by the Department of Health and Human Services.)
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1504267
Thank you!! ^^^^
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I've done the Wild Turkey detox.
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I have done the wild rose, and I think it's a pretty reasonable cleanse. It's not like a juice cleanse, it's really eating a lot of whole foods and taking some supplements. The supplements do make you eliminate, so I find it's better to be at home while your body adjusts as you may need to use the bathroom more than normal.0
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Thank you for your opinion but I didn't ask about whether anyone recommends doing a detox, I asked if anyone had tried a particular one.
I have a lot of medical issues and this doctor has been the only one that has gotten me healthy enough that I can workout everyday and have a lot of energy now. She also held my hand through my entire cancer ordeal so I think I will trust her opinion on detox's first.
She out right said not do do any of the one's you don't get to eat and you only drink certain things every day because she says those are unhealthy.
Is this a homeopathic or integrated medicine doctor? I can't think of any others that would actually recommend this. Like it or not, this isn't the forum that's going to agree with poor advice like detoxes.
Also....You said this in your first post...
"There were a couple she recommended, all of which you can still eat on but your food is limited (basically no dairy, carbs, tropical fruit, sugar that type of thing)"
And then this in your second post....
"She out right said not do do any of the one's you don't get to eat and you only drink certain things every day because she says those are unhealthy. "
Seems like contradicting info there....1 -
JenniferLynWhatx wrote: »UTIs are caused by bacteria and should be treated with antibiotics. Herbal substances are not regulated by the FDA, and can therefore be dangerous to take - especially if you have medical conditions requiring you to take certain prescription drugs.
I have done the antibiotic's, and it goes away but then comes back which is why she wants me to try taking some supplements and eliminating things from my diet and see if it helps.
UTIs are typically caused by bacteria and generally come from poor potty or sexual activity hygiene, not by what you eat.
That was my thought exactly.1 -
UTIs are caused by bacteria, but there is a condition called interstitial cystitis that feels like you have a UTI when you don't. Urine tests for this will be negative for bacteria. It does tend to respond to the same things as UTI treatment - lots of liquids, cranberry juice. Antibiotics do not help this condition.0
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I did this 'cleanse' many, many years ago, but from what I recall is: I wasn't 'running' to the bathroom; I remember eating ;lots almond butter and rice crackers and fish and veggies. I think since I was already eating fairly healthy prior to the program, I didn't feel or notice much of a difference.0
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I hope your doctor also recommended taking more dihydrogen monoxide, too.2
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OP - I think that this is a great idea, especially if it was recommended by your MD. I think your trainer sounds like a reasonable person and this will help you kick start your weight loss goals in 2016. good luck to you! Everyone knows that your liver and kidneys can only handle so many toxins...0
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I've seen a lot of people on this detox. They were all homeless and TBH they didn't look so good.
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OP - I think that this is a great idea, especially if it was recommended by your MD. I think your trainer sounds like a reasonable person and this will help you kick start your weight loss goals in 2016. good luck to you! Everyone knows that your liver and kidneys can only handle so many toxins...
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Last_mango_in_paradise wrote: »JenniferLynWhatx wrote: »UTIs are caused by bacteria and should be treated with antibiotics. Herbal substances are not regulated by the FDA, and can therefore be dangerous to take - especially if you have medical conditions requiring you to take certain prescription drugs.
Herbal supplements are not dangerous.
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CipherZero wrote: »Question: What toxin is the detox supposed to remove?
The kidney flush is to help with persistent UTI's and the liver part is to help with the fatty liver.
Persistent UTI's should be treated with a low dose long term antibiotic. It takes approximately 6 months for the liner to heal enough to stop the cycle. If you can make it 6 months without getting one, that's the trick.0 -
People on this site are so vicious. The Wild Rose cleanse is nothing more than a sensible back to basics "clean eating" meal plan and a few gentle herbs that help with water retention and digestion. I feel energized and refreshed by it, and having the 12 day regimen set in place helps me say no to the temptation of bread and cheese for a change and remind myself how easy it is to prepare nutrient dense and delicious meals without these ingredients. You can eat as much as you want whenever you want, it's just eliminating flour, diary, sugar and fermented foods for a period of 12 days. The contents of the herbal supplements are all common and safe, no weird "miracle cure" crap here. It doesn't even promise weight loss, it's not a weight loss program even if a lot of people do lose weight when they're on it.
Everyone freaking out about this needs to relax and show some respect and kindness to the OP. Maybe go look at the plan she's asking about before giving her unsolicited medical advice contrary to her doctor. What a toxic "support" forum this is. These rude people should all be detoxed off this website.0 -
Detoxing of the detoxed detoxes
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People on this site are so vicious. The Wild Rose cleanse is nothing more than a sensible back to basics "clean eating" meal plan and a few gentle herbs that help with water retention and digestion. I feel energized and refreshed by it, and having the 12 day regimen set in place helps me say no to the temptation of bread and cheese for a change and remind myself how easy it is to prepare nutrient dense and delicious meals without these ingredients. You can eat as much as you want whenever you want, it's just eliminating flour, diary, sugar and fermented foods for a period of 12 days. The contents of the herbal supplements are all common and safe, no weird "miracle cure" crap here. It doesn't even promise weight loss, it's not a weight loss program even if a lot of people do lose weight when they're on it.
Everyone freaking out about this needs to relax and show some respect and kindness to the OP. Maybe go look at the plan she's asking about before giving her unsolicited medical advice contrary to her doctor. What a toxic "support" forum this is. These rude people should all be detoxed off this website.
Strong first post and as it's 6 months old you must have had to search for this topic.6
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