Why macros matter
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muscleandbeard wrote: »AnabolicKyle wrote: »macros schmacros
just hit your minimum protein requirement for the day
I'll remember that as my training ramps up for my 6+ hour races this summer. Who needs carbs...
Well I'm yet to see a marathon runner that looks healthy and not underweight.
How many marathons have you attended? Based on the above comment I'll say zero.0 -
Both links provide no evidence which is pretty typical of any nutrition based "science". That doesn't mean they are wrong but it means their is no definite answer. Maybe the minimum is 20g of fat or 60g of fat, I don't know.
Two types of diets I have seen
The 90% carb diet. I forget the name. Some YouTube guy always brings it up.
The no carb diet Atkins paleo etc
My point is that as long as you eat some what normal diet all you need to lose fat is
1.calories in vs calories out
2.A min target of protein
3.rule number one is king
Thought experiment
Macros matter!!!
What should my daily carb intake be?
Why?
What should my daily fat intake be?
Why?
What should my daily protein intake be?
Why?0 -
AnabolicKyle wrote: »macros schmacros
just hit your minimum protein requirement for the day
But protein is a macro. You're saying who cares about macros, but care about this macro! LOL.0 -
A lot. As a cop I work them ever couple of months. I see guys passing out within the first 10 miles. None of them look above 150lbsmuscleandbeard wrote: »AnabolicKyle wrote: »macros schmacros
just hit your minimum protein requirement for the day
I'll remember that as my training ramps up for my 6+ hour races this summer. Who needs carbs...
Well I'm yet to see a marathon runner that looks healthy and not underweight.
How many marathons have you attended? Based on the above comment I'll say zero.
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PikaKnight wrote: »AnabolicKyle wrote: »macros schmacros
just hit your minimum protein requirement for the day
But protein is a macro. You're saying who cares about macros, but care about this macro! LOL.
Protein is a macro
Macros are not protein
Plz no bully!0 -
muscleandbeard wrote: »
A lot. As a cop I work them ever couple of months. I see guys passing out within the first 10 miles. None of them look above 150lbsmuscleandbeard wrote: »AnabolicKyle wrote: »macros schmacros
just hit your minimum protein requirement for the day
I'll remember that as my training ramps up for my 6+ hour races this summer. Who needs carbs...
Well I'm yet to see a marathon runner that looks healthy and not underweight.
How many marathons have you attended? Based on the above comment I'll say zero.
And you think that some person passing out in the first ten miles qualifies as a well trained and healthy marathon runner?
Maybe you should instead check out the people who finish.0 -
AnabolicKyle wrote: »Both links provide no evidence which is pretty typical of any nutrition based "science". That doesn't mean they are wrong but it means their is no definite answer. Maybe the minimum is 20g of fat or 60g of fat, I don't know.
Two types of diets I have seen
The 90% carb diet. I forget the name. Some YouTube guy always brings it up.
The no carb diet Atkins paleo etc
My point is that as long as you eat some what normal diet all you need to lose fat is
1.calories in vs calories out
2.A min target of protein
3.rule number one is king
Thought experiment
Macros matter!!!
What should my daily carb intake be?
Why?
What should my daily fat intake be?
Why?
What should my daily protein intake be?
Why?
Why "A min target of protein?"
Thought experiment for you:
You are going to a world-televised beach party on the French coast with 12 supermodels. There will be photo sessions and competitions with other athletes for strength and endurance.
What will be your diet for the next two weeks? Will you be tightening up on that diet, paying attention to your macros so you will look and perform your best?0 -
Lovee_Dove7 wrote: »
Why "A min target of protein?"
To avoid muscle loss while at a calorie deficit.Lovee_Dove7 wrote: »Thought experiment for you:
You are going to a world-televised beach party on the French coast with 12 supermodels. There will be photo sessions and competitions with other athletes for strength and endurance.
What will be your diet for the next two weeks? Will you be tightening up on that diet, paying attention to your macros so you will look and perform your best?
for 14 days I would eat nothing but protein probably about 250g(1000calories) to look as lean as possible.0 -
muscleandbeard wrote: »
A lot. As a cop I work them ever couple of months. I see guys passing out within the first 10 miles. None of them look above 150lbsmuscleandbeard wrote: »AnabolicKyle wrote: »macros schmacros
just hit your minimum protein requirement for the day
I'll remember that as my training ramps up for my 6+ hour races this summer. Who needs carbs...
Well I'm yet to see a marathon runner that looks healthy and not underweight.
How many marathons have you attended? Based on the above comment I'll say zero.
And you think that some person passing out in the first ten miles qualifies as a well trained and healthy marathon runner?
Maybe you should instead check out the people who finish.
I can't, I always get stuck somewhere half way through
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muscleandbeard wrote: »
Everyone's definition of healthy is different. An adult man that is 6 feet tall and weighs 140 lbs is not healthy "looking" in my opinion. Now compare marathon runners to track and field athletes, you'll see a body composition difference in referring to.3dogsrunning wrote: »muscleandbeard wrote: »AnabolicKyle wrote: »macros schmacros
just hit your minimum protein requirement for the day
I'll remember that as my training ramps up for my 6+ hour races this summer. Who needs carbs...
Well I'm yet to see a marathon runner that looks healthy and not underweight.
Have you been to many marathon races? Or are you referring to elite level racers where carrying less weight is advantageous?
I've seen lots of competitive cyclists and triathletes who look healthy. They also have higher carb requirements.
I run marathons and ultramarathons. I'm considerably more than 140. No one would ever call me underweight.
But nice broad brush you've got there, brofessor.0 -
muscleandbeard wrote: »
A lot. As a cop I work them ever couple of months. I see guys passing out within the first 10 miles. None of them look above 150lbsmuscleandbeard wrote: »AnabolicKyle wrote: »macros schmacros
just hit your minimum protein requirement for the day
I'll remember that as my training ramps up for my 6+ hour races this summer. Who needs carbs...
Well I'm yet to see a marathon runner that looks healthy and not underweight.
How many marathons have you attended? Based on the above comment I'll say zero.
And then there are the guys that are running the whole 26.2 faster than you can sprint.
But totes out of shape.0 -
Thoughts? Will Brink is well respected in the nutrition industry
Figuring Macronutrients The EASY Way!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoBT-lju3Cw 0 -
AnabolicKyle wrote: »Lovee_Dove7 wrote: »
Why "A min target of protein?"
To avoid muscle loss while at a calorie deficit.Lovee_Dove7 wrote: »Thought experiment for you:
You are going to a world-televised beach party on the French coast with 12 supermodels. There will be photo sessions and competitions with other athletes for strength and endurance.
What will be your diet for the next two weeks? Will you be tightening up on that diet, paying attention to your macros so you will look and perform your best?
for 14 days I would eat nothing but protein probably about 250g(1000calories) to look as lean as possible.
Wait!
You're adjusting your macros.
You're using macros to obtain desired results. For looks in this case. I'm questioning your ability to compete in those strength and endurance competitions. You'll lose the contracts with Nike!0 -
Lovee_Dove7 wrote: »Wait!
You're adjusting your macros.
You're using macros to obtain desired results. For looks in this case. I'm questioning your ability to compete in those strength and endurance competitions. You'll lose the contracts with Nike!
Okay...
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I don't think you know what that means.0
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Curious to what defines an Elite athlete?0
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AnabolicKyle wrote: »Both links provide no evidence which is pretty typical of any nutrition based "science". That doesn't mean they are wrong but it means their is no definite answer. No, it just means you reject their recommendations and the probability that there must be good reason why they recommend what they do. Maybe the minimum is 20g of fat or 60g of fat, I don't know. That's clear.
Two types of diets I have seen
The 90% carb diet. I forget the name. Some YouTube guy always brings it up.
Sounds idiotic and misinformed. What does it have to do with this?
The no carb diet Atkins paleo etc umm...that's three different diets. None of which we're discussing. What's your point?
My point is that as long as you eat some what normal diet all you need to lose fat is
1.calories in vs calories out this is ALL you need to lose fat
2.A min target of protein you can lose fat without minimum protein intake. You just won't retain as much muscle.
3.rule number one is king
Thought experiment
Macros matter!!!
What should my daily carb intake be? It depends on your goals, how you plan to get there and where you're starting
Why? Because different goals and methods require different macros for optimal results and no one starts from the same point
What should my daily fat intake be?
It depends on your goals, how you plan to get there and where you're starting
Why? Because different goals and methods require different macros for optimal results and no one starts from the same point
What should my daily protein intake be?
It depends on your goals, how you plan to get there and where you're starting
Why? Because different goals and methods require different macros for optimal results and no one starts from the same point
Here's another tidbit.
http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/10910295
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@Carlos_421
The point is nobody knows optimal macro ratios so setting one is pointless like I said.
USDA used to recommend
smoking
low fat diet
low cholesterol diet (dont eat eggs)
eating trans fat (margarine)
etc etc etc
Macros schmacros0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »
That study doesnt even have constant calories in both groups.
but even if it did, it doesnt matter. science is repeatable, which means they need repeatable studies to show certain macro ratios are better for health or fat loss or whatever.
Carlos i think youre missing my point and idea.
my distilled idea is this.
everyone needs some minimum amount of protein and fat to live.
nobody really knows what is best
hit the minimums and dont worry about macro ratios0 -
AnabolicKyle wrote: »@Carlos_421
The point is nobody knows optimal macro ratios so setting one is pointless like I said.
USDA used to recommend
smoking
low fat diet
low cholesterol diet (dont eat eggs)
eating trans fat (margarine)
etc etc etc
Macros schmacros
The point is macros will differ dependent on goals and we know a lot more about them now than we did in the eighties when the low fat trend was popular.
But since you don't trust the recommendations of well respected experts like Lyle McDonald and Dr Layne Norton as well as the research I provided on the affect on immune function in athletes (not to mention all the evidence we now have regarding the affect of fat intake on testosterone production), even attempting to set beneficial macro levels is completely useless.
Ok.0
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