The Starch Solution

hokagenoob

So I legit just watched an 1 hour video of Dr.McDougall's "The Starch Solution" video on YouTube and honestly it was a HUGE eye opener to how majority of society has turned into obesity. And how in B.C they all ate grains and stayed in shape. I'm thinking about trying this out! For those who know what I'm talking about and has tried this out, can you tell me your guys stories about it? Does it work?
If you guys haven't watched it I really suggest you do! Its real interesting.

Sued0nim

Isn't it just a vegan manifesto?

What is the basic message?

stevencloser

If he suggests that people in BC stayed in shape because they ate grains instead of having physical work all day long with barely enough food to scrape by, he is full of *kitten*.

RuNaRoUnDaFiEld

hokagenoob wrote: »

So I legit just watched an 1 hour video of Dr.McDougall's "The Starch Solution" video on YouTube and honestly it was a HUGE eye opener to how majority of society has turned into obesity. And how in B.C they all ate grains and stayed in shape. I'm thinking about trying this out! For those who know what I'm talking about and has tried this out, can you tell me your guys stories about it? Does it work?
If you guys haven't watched it I really suggest you do! Its real interesting.

Your going try out a B.C lifestyle? Wow good luck, even the thought of washing 1 load of clothes in B.C times would have me reaching for a pot of ice-cream.
Just think about the walk down to a river, stream or well carrying it all by hand, no car. Rich people may have had a donkey. Then to wash it, rinse it etc. That is some calorie burn. Then to carry it back wet, even heavier with water weight.
Then all the other chores they had to do or working in fields etc all day. It is not surprising they had almost non existent obesity.

hokagenoob

stevencloser wrote: »

If he suggests that people in BC stayed in shape because they ate grains instead of having physical work all day long with barely enough food to scrape by, he is full of *kitten*.

Lol it's worth try

RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »

hokagenoob wrote: »

So I legit just watched an 1 hour video of Dr.McDougall's "The Starch Solution" video on YouTube and honestly it was a HUGE eye opener to how majority of society has turned into obesity. And how in B.C they all ate grains and stayed in shape. I'm thinking about trying this out! For those who know what I'm talking about and has tried this out, can you tell me your guys stories about it? Does it work?
If you guys haven't watched it I really suggest you do! Its real interesting.

Your going try out a B.C lifestyle? Wow good luck, even the thought of washing 1 load of clothes in B.C times would have me reaching for a pot of ice-cream.
Just think about the walk down to a river, stream or well carrying it all by hand, no car. Rich people may have had a donkey. Then to wash it, rinse it etc. That is some calorie burn. Then to carry it back wet, even heavier with water weight.
Then all the other chores they had to do or working in fields etc all day. It is not surprising they had almost non existent obesity.

I say why not? I'll give it a go and tell you guys if it's a fail or not lol x)

stevencloser

hokagenoob wrote: »

stevencloser wrote: »

If he suggests that people in BC stayed in shape because they ate grains instead of having physical work all day long with barely enough food to scrape by, he is full of *kitten*.

Lol it's worth try

RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »

hokagenoob wrote: »

So I legit just watched an 1 hour video of Dr.McDougall's "The Starch Solution" video on YouTube and honestly it was a HUGE eye opener to how majority of society has turned into obesity. And how in B.C they all ate grains and stayed in shape. I'm thinking about trying this out! For those who know what I'm talking about and has tried this out, can you tell me your guys stories about it? Does it work?
If you guys haven't watched it I really suggest you do! Its real interesting.

Your going try out a B.C lifestyle? Wow good luck, even the thought of washing 1 load of clothes in B.C times would have me reaching for a pot of ice-cream.
Just think about the walk down to a river, stream or well carrying it all by hand, no car. Rich people may have had a donkey. Then to wash it, rinse it etc. That is some calorie burn. Then to carry it back wet, even heavier with water weight.
Then all the other chores they had to do or working in fields etc all day. It is not surprising they had almost non existent obesity.

I say why not? I'll give it a go and tell you guys if it's a fail or not lol x)

The only way to lose weight is a calorie deficit. Trying to eat like people from 2000 years ago isn't going to change that.

Sued0nim

do or do not
There is no try
Said a great green goblin once

You strike me as someone lurching from one fad to the next ...well st least you remind me of what I used to be like .."it's worth a try" always denoted short term lack of commitment and yo yo weight loss to me

You may find it better to focus on your calories, ignore all fads, and simply find a dietary plan that works for you..those go to foods that you really enjoy, the ability to eat in public without major food rules, a variable nutritious diet and something that becomes natural

Something you can stick with for life > worth a try

yarwell

this BC ?

melonaulait

Going vegetarian/vegan and whatever eating style you abide by then is not by itself gonna help anyone lose weight. But it can be easier opting for "diet-friendlier" choices while veggie.

I believe in counting calories but I also try not to restrict my fruit/veggie intake much at all. But my daily calorie goals are pretty flexible anyway.

Yi5hedr3

Big mistake! Been there - done that. If you are young you will lose weight, but you also lose strength and muscle, gaining fat. If you are over 40, don't even THINK it! You'll get fatter than heck, and probably Diabetes.

Lourdesong

I'll check it out. But talk of ancients and exotic far off places having the answers or the secret are common tropes of someone trying to sell you some magic beans.

nvmomketo

I don't know.... My ancestors were northeastern European. I don't think they ate many grains up there. Some sure, but farming grass was not common.

As someone with insulin resistance, I know that diet would not work for me. Good luck with it.

janjunie

yarwell wrote: »

this BC ?

That's what I was thinking. We are quite hippieish and fit on the west coast.

janejellyroll

I tried it briefly before I realized that weight loss was a matter of calories in versus calories out. A low fat diet (which this is) isn't for me. I feel hungrier and have less energy when I restrict my fat.

rankinsect

If you ate like people from 2,000 years ago - including long periods of scarcity because of crop failures, etc. - and you spent all day doing physical labor like people from 2,000 years ago, you would probably lose a lot of weight.

There was nothing magical about what they ate. The secret to the lack of obesity in those days was both that the food supply was not stable enough to allow people to eat in excess for prolonged periods, and pretty much nobody was even close to sedentary because of so much manual labor.

AnvilHead

rankinsect wrote: »

If you ate like people from 2,000 years ago - including long periods of scarcity because of crop failures, etc. - and you spent all day doing physical labor like people from 2,000 years ago, you would probably lose a lot of weight.

There was nothing magical about what they ate. The secret to the lack of obesity in those days was both that the food supply was not stable enough to allow people to eat in excess for prolonged periods, and pretty much nobody was even close to sedentary because of so much manual labor.

Exactly.

brianpperkins

rankinsect wrote: »

If you ate like people from 2,000 years ago - including long periods of scarcity because of crop failures, etc. - and you spent all day doing physical labor like people from 2,000 years ago, you would probably lose a lot of weight.

There was nothing magical about what they ate. The secret to the lack of obesity in those days was both that the food supply was not stable enough to allow people to eat in excess for prolonged periods, and pretty much nobody was even close to sedentary because of so much manual labor.

Injecting fact, logic, and reason into a MFP thread rarely goes well.

TavistockToad

brianpperkins wrote: »

rankinsect wrote: »

If you ate like people from 2,000 years ago - including long periods of scarcity because of crop failures, etc. - and you spent all day doing physical labor like people from 2,000 years ago, you would probably lose a lot of weight.

There was nothing magical about what they ate. The secret to the lack of obesity in those days was both that the food supply was not stable enough to allow people to eat in excess for prolonged periods, and pretty much nobody was even close to sedentary because of so much manual labor.

Injecting fact, logic, and reason into a MFP thread rarely goes well.

:laugh:

natalexse

It's clear that a lot of people here are either biased or misinformed. The starch solution isn't about deprivation. It's only eating plant based vegan foods concentrating on starchy carbohydrates. This is because your body uses carbs as it's first source of energy. All other sources get stored as fat to use later. You can eat as much as you WANT. It forces you to learn when you are hungry and when you are full. It's hard to binge on starchy carbs because of the density. Plus you won't get fat eating vegetables as long as you're not binging. I did this for 1.5 months and lost 25lbs only going to one spinning class a week. Ignore people who have never given it a chance much less watched his lecture or read his book.

Tacklewasher

janjunie wrote: »

yarwell wrote: »

this BC ?

That's what I was thinking. We are quite hippieish and fit on the west coast.

Plus what we are known for isn't much of a diet and is not legal in most places (yet).

Tacklewasher

natalexse wrote: »

It's clear that a lot of people here are either biased or misinformed. The starch solution isn't about deprivation. It's only eating plant based vegan foods concentrating on starchy carbohydrates. This is because your body uses carbs as it's first source of energy. All other sources get stored as fat to use later. You can eat as much as you WANT. It forces you to learn when you are hungry and when you are full. It's hard to binge on starchy carbs because of the density. Plus you won't get fat eating vegetables as long as you're not binging. I did this for 1.5 months and lost 25lbs only going to one spinning class a week. Ignore people who have never given it a chance much less watched his lecture or read his book.

What a load of male cow manure.....

If you lost weight, then you were eating less calories then you burned. The order is irrelevant for long term weight loss.

Sued0nim

natalexse wrote: »

It's clear that a lot of people here are either biased or misinformed. The starch solution isn't about deprivation. It's only eating plant based vegan foods concentrating on starchy carbohydrates. This is because your body uses carbs as it's first source of energy.

No it doesn't, well abject simplification is misleading ..glucose as a source of energy in the body is the result of food, not a specific macro alone, getting broken down in the digestive system and stored as glycogen (yes, still a major simplification and avoiding entire discussion on ATP)

All other sources get stored as fat to use later.

No it doesn't

You can eat as much as you WANT.

No you can't

It forces you to learn when you are hungry and when you are full. It's hard to binge on starchy carbs because of the density.

No it's not

Plus you won't get fat eating vegetables as long as you're not binging.

You mean as long as you're not eating more calories than you burn

I did this for 1.5 months and lost 25lbs only going to one spinning class a week. Ignore people who have never given it a chance much less watched his lecture or read his book.

You lost 4lb a week ..eek that's not healthy

Also way to bump a year old thread

AnvilHead

natalexse wrote: »

It's clear that a lot of people here are either biased or misinformed. The starch solution isn't about deprivation. It's only eating plant based vegan foods concentrating on starchy carbohydrates. This is because your body uses carbs as it's first source of energy. All other sources get stored as fat to use later. You can eat as much as you WANT. It forces you to learn when you are hungry and when you are full. It's hard to binge on starchy carbs because of the density. Plus you won't get fat eating vegetables as long as you're not binging. I did this for 1.5 months and lost 25lbs only going to one spinning class a week. Ignore people who have never given it a chance much less watched his lecture or read his book.

Ironic post is ironic.

There is no net storage of fat in a caloric deficit regardless of macro composition.

cerise_noir

yarwell wrote: »

this BC ?

:laugh:
I likey.

cerise_noir

natalexse wrote: »

It's clear that a lot of people here are either biased or misinformed. The starch solution isn't about deprivation. It's only eating plant based vegan foods concentrating on starchy carbohydrates. This is because your body uses carbs as it's first source of energy. All other sources get stored as fat to use later. You can eat as much as you WANT. It forces you to learn when you are hungry and when you are full. It's hard to binge on starchy carbs because of the density. Plus you won't get fat eating vegetables as long as you're not binging. I did this for 1.5 months and lost 25lbs only going to one spinning class a week. Ignore people who have never given it a chance much less watched his lecture or read his book.

The "ironing is delicious".

LOL Nope, it doesn't.

You cannot eat as much as you want. I can guarantee you that there are overweight high carb vegans out there, even plant based ones.

Yes, you can get fat eating vegetables if you go over your TDEE. Someone who is quite petite and older has a lower TDEE and can easily gain if all she ate were vegetables.

kommodevaran

natalexse wrote: »

It's clear that a lot of people here are either biased or misinformed.

Heh.

The starch solution isn't about deprivation. It's only eating plant based vegan foods concentrating on starchy carbohydrates.

In other words, deprivation.

This is because your body uses carbs as it's first source of energy.

Human bodies use whatever energy available, be it fat, protein, carbs or alcohol.

All other sources get stored as fat to use later.

All excess energy gets stored as fat to use later.

You can eat as much as you WANT.

Of course you can. Food is cheap. If you want to manage your weight, you just have to not eat too much. If you don't want to eat too much, you're golden. But if you want to eat too much, you'll struggle.

It forces you to learn when you are hungry and when you are full.

Why would anyone want to force themselves into something when they don't have to?

It's hard to binge on starchy carbs because of the density.

Yeah, right, nobody binges on starchy food.

Plus you won't get fat eating vegetables as long as you're not binging.

You won't get fat on ANYTHING as long as you don't binge.

I did this for 1.5 months and lost 25lbs only going to one spinning class a week.

You lost weight through a sustained calorie deficit.

Ignore people who have never given it a chance much less watched his lecture or read his book.

Luckily, we are allowed to use common sense.

Ecrackin

You can eat until satiation. It works, and has reversed my type 2 diabetes in 3 months. Lost 20 in 1.5 months so far. No meat, dairy, animal products or oil. It is a low fat, plant based diet based around plant starches with the inclusion of veggies and fruits. Calorie density is of big importance. 200 calories of oil does not fill your stomach and is way easy to eat. 200 calories of veggies stuffs you up. Eliminating oils and dairy and meat allows your body to heal it's arterial damage and let's your body use up the fat it has stored up. Insulin resistance is reversed because glucose isn't blocked by cellular fat.

It works, go for it!

AnvilHead

Ecrackin wrote: »

You can eat until satiation. It works, and has reversed my type 2 diabetes in 3 months. Lost 20 in 1.5 months so far. No meat, dairy, animal products or oil. It is a low fat, plant based diet based around plant starches with the inclusion of veggies and fruits. Calorie density is of big importance. 200 calories of oil does not fill your stomach and is way easy to eat. 200 calories of veggies stuffs you up. Eliminating oils and dairy and meat allows your body to heal it's arterial damage and let's your body use up the fat it has stored up. Insulin resistance is reversed because glucose isn't blocked by cellular fat.

It works, go for it!

The what now?

LOLno.

You lose weight by eating less calories than you burn. That's called a caloric deficit. The rest of that mumbo-jumbo is hokey vegan propaganda.

MichelleSilverleaf

Ecrackin wrote: »

You can eat until satiation. It works, and has reversed my type 2 diabetes in 3 months. Lost 20 in 1.5 months so far. No meat, dairy, animal products or oil. It is a low fat, plant based diet based around plant starches with the inclusion of veggies and fruits. Calorie density is of big importance. 200 calories of oil does not fill your stomach and is way easy to eat. 200 calories of veggies stuffs you up. Eliminating oils and dairy and meat allows your body to heal it's arterial damage and let's your body use up the fat it has stored up. Insulin resistance is reversed because glucose isn't blocked by cellular fat.

It works, go for it!

Citation needed. You lost weight because you were in a deficit.

Ecrackin

it's true! but that doesn't negate what I'm saying.
how many citations would you like?

RE: diabetes
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/29/8/1777.long
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12936955
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Kiehm TG[Author]&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=941870

RE: heart health
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3501710/
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/34/1/173/638493

RE: osteoporosis
http://nutrition.highwire.org/content/128/6/1051.full
http://www.vivalis.si/uploads/datoteke/3a00.pdf

RE: Arthritis
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02242946


There are so many more, but I am not a genius, and I don't understand a lot of them.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/health-science/hot-topics/
is where i got all this, so if you want to read up for yourself, feel free.
There are tons of videos that make it so much easier to understand.

Ecrackin

AnvilHead wrote: »

Ecrackin wrote: »

You can eat until satiation. It works, and has reversed my type 2 diabetes in 3 months. Lost 20 in 1.5 months so far. No meat, dairy, animal products or oil. It is a low fat, plant based diet based around plant starches with the inclusion of veggies and fruits. Calorie density is of big importance. 200 calories of oil does not fill your stomach and is way easy to eat. 200 calories of veggies stuffs you up. Eliminating oils and dairy and meat allows your body to heal it's arterial damage and let's your body use up the fat it has stored up. Insulin resistance is reversed because glucose isn't blocked by cellular fat.

It works, go for it!

The what now?

LOLno.

You lose weight by eating less calories than you burn. That's called a caloric deficit. The rest of that mumbo-jumbo is hokey vegan propaganda.

Alrighty.